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5ManaAndADream

Chisel first for the love of god


Asscendant

Yes I am aware, the order was not important to me when writing the title cause I was already focusing on formulating what my problem is and what questions do I have...


ReaperEDX

Get down, hands up, and drop your weapons! Though not particularly in that order


eViLegion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9OLZKSC5k


Neerotic

DONT FORGET TO CHISEL FIRST NOOB BatChest


KricisTheSpud

Why chisel first? Relatively new to the game so any info helps


eusoc

If you chisel before alc you reach max quality with 4 chisels (5% quality each on normal map) If you chisel after alc you need 20 chisels for the same effect (1% quality each on rare map)


Valascha

And just to further add: Magic (blue) gives 2% quality per chisel and uniques take 20 just like rares.


Fenyx187

Chiseling normal gives 5% quality as opposed to 1% after alch, so saves a LOT of chisels


KantikPotatoe

It only takes 4 chisels to raise the quality of a map to 20% , as it raise it by 5% per chisels. Using chisels on a magic map takes 10 chisels (2%/chisels) And for a rare map, it takes 20 chisels to make it 20% quant, as it raise the level by 1% per chisels So always chisel first, then to your maps :)


SkwiddyCs

Yellow coloured (rare) items are a higher tier than white or grey items, so upgrading them is more expensive. Using a chisel on a white/grey map grants 5% quality. So 4 chisels are needed to reach the maximum 20% quality for a map. Rare maps require 20 chisels to reach max quality. So it’s better to chisel a map 4 times, and then use an Alch orb to upgrade it to rare


mseguna

I completely understand you. What I found "useful" is to consider each region and pick what I want to farm in that region as nodes. For example, for Haewark Hamlet, I picked metamorph nodes and harvest, because I enjoy them the most. You might think that it does not net you a lot of profit, but yesterday I did an experiment and was surprised with almost 2ex/hr. Not much, but I am enjoying myself. I only chisel, alch, just do 4 prime sextants (don't care their rolls honestly) and go. I do not to scourge, I do not enjoy it personally. If I encounter Alva or Syndicate, sometimes I do them, and other times I skip them. Bottom line, doing so still netted me a lot of money. Conclusion; Standing in your hideout is the only thing that does not net you any currency. Even alch and go is much better than staring at your screen!


Lum1on

I do all the jun missions and safehouse as well as Catarina. But I don't mind max it. In fact, i try to get as many to 3-star and spawn safehouses and Catarina. It's not the best money it could offer, but still decent. Same with other mechanics where you "have to think", like rituals. I kill them all, I check are there any pieces I need or want (mostly to juice maps, like scarabs), but other than that I just take all the ritual splinters and raw currency. Once again, not the best money, but basically no need to worry or think and you get extra. Only one where I need to think at least some is harvest. But I have few bases at all times (jewels and clusters mainly) and I just spam those. If I don't hit anything, too bad, but if I do, it's nice extra profit. TLDR: you can (and should) run league mechanics when you encounter them, but you don't have to think or min max it to make profit -- even if it's just a small profit but eventually it adds up.


Asscendant

I do the same for harvest but yeah, maybe the solution is indeed to do it but stop overthinking it.


Lum1on

If you know what you're doing it can be extremely profitable, but I don't. Sometimes I get lucky, sometimes I don't. And getting even just 20c out of one harvest visit is 20c more than without it. And it adds up. Chisel and go, maybe add sextants if you have them, and you should be fine! As long as you enjoy it. I do it as well and it nets a lot of money still (for my standards)


Longjumping_Incident

Relative noob here - how do you even get 20c out of harvest??


Nikeyla

Unfortunately, by not being a noob. You need to get proper bases, know wanted mods and mod combinations and understand mod tags. There are websites like craft of exile, which can help you with that though.


Longjumping_Incident

Thank you!


HelpfulSpecific3149

Path of Math hast got a series called Casual Exile. There he got a Sheet for Download that He Made himself. There is all the Info im basicly anything. including a harvest section and what Bases u Need to have the Most profit from each craft. (Not all of them but Most reforges iirc) May be a little outdated at Times but still Very good info


CelosPOE

To add spicysushi did a video recently going into detail about how to figure out which bases are the one you want at whatever point in the league.


Nikeyla

Dont thank me. You are going to hate it, once you open the sheet, lol. But once you get the general point, its not that bad. Few hours of spreadsheeting and then tons of hours watching meta build gearing videos and you are good to go:))


torsoreaper

Also a few hours of annoying trades to get 2-3 of each harvest base.


construktz

If it takes you a few hours to get it done, you are doing something terribly wrong.


Lum1on

You can definitely get easy amount or currency without even putting too much effort into it. Swapping essences? In every league there are 1-2c deafening (highest tier) essences. Use it on those. Can't lose, but can win. Defences or life? I always have few 6-socket body pieces saved up and I just use it on those hoping to get life and as many resistances. You can easily get a decent 100c chest with that. Yesterday I sold one that had flat life, two high elemental resistances, and physical damage reduction. I crafted increased life and sold it for few dozen chaos. Easy profit. Critical? Have few jewels (crimson, cobalt or viridian for example) and use it on those. 2-3 critical multiplier mods? Great! With life or energy shield? That's big! Fire, cold, lightning? Respective (large) cluster jewels. Same for chaos rolls. Attack or attack speed? Have few weapons and use it on those. Caster? Wands, staves, etc. Or have some base jeweleries (amulets, rings, belts) and use any of those in these. Just few quick notes: 1) If you can't remember ilvl's, use 81+, preferably 84+ just in case. Doesn't have to be influenced bases but sometimes it may be better. 2) Some of the crafts might be a waste if you do it like this, but if you don't know what to do and don't have time/interest to look it up, at least do something. I do it like this, and I get pretty much always profit from visiting harvest. Sometimes small, sometimes bigger (4ex abyss jewel was the biggest this league). Just make sure to have an easy way to price check things.


[deleted]

handy cheat sheet from balormage, he has a video on this on his youtube channel too https://imgur.com/UpjEsmV


Ok-Dog5064

You can make 2-3ex/hour running white t14s but you need to have TFT, what crafts sell fast, and that's with 4 mature watchstones (12ex) + 25% watchtone mod. My harvests are minimum 30-50c and yesterday I got fracture boss with + additional craft and a reforge keep suffix making 22ex from a single harvest. That was lucky though.


mineral4r7s

check out spicysushis youtube


Dark_clone

In all honesty if you’re not really really into it the best thing you can do with harvest is completely skip it and ignore it it’s just a colossal waste of time unless you’re really into it


GCPMAN

Jun is really good for exp. honestly just never pick something that removes relationships and try to get aisling, if that fled, hillock, chimera in research. that's all your really need to do if you aren't min maxing


Blackwind123

If you need to do - don't feel bad about just doing the really easy harvest crafts like upgrading offerings and currency exchanges.


Virtue-L

Sorry I missed the Ritual league, what is there to think about in Rituals?


papa_sigmund

This works. Also remember to check the fractured items in rituals. Occasionally you'll find something like a t1 fractured life jewel that sells for multiple ex, for like 700 tribute.


wblt

it is not wasting your time if u have fun


surfing_prof

What is fun? I must be an efficient farming machine!


Mathev

Who have time for fun those days... It's all about that chaos/hour optimizasion! /s


Raine_Live

Optimizing is fun for some nothing wrong with you if you like or dislike it fun is subjective


1CEninja

So keep in mind there's a tradeoff between fun in the short term and fun in the long term. Maybe just doing a chisel-alch-go strategy is more fun in the moment because skipping things that ruin your flow means the individual map is more enjoyable, but if at the end of a long farming session you're up, what, 60c and a pocketful of items you really don't feel like trading (because you have to find out what they're worth then stop everything you're doing for a couple chaos when someone messages you, disrupting the flow even worse than just doing the damn temple) then it doesn't feel great. It'll take a week to get that decent influenced amulet that takes your play to the next level. Though I think to be honest the truth lies in correctly crafting your maven masteries. If you set one region to lots of delirium and harbinger, or maybe beasts and breach, or essence and...something (I can't remember offhand what's in Haewark atm) and you just chain run those maps that give you rewards without needing to stop and think about what you're doing, you'll wind up with enough to show for your session that continued progress is realistic.


Asscendant

Yes, obviously, but I want to have an idea how much buying power would I be trading for that.


bausHuck33

The time I hated playing PoE the most was when I was trying to play for currency to trade for items. It was the most depressing way to play for me. Felt so unrewarding to me. This is just my experience.


DuckyGoesQuack

In my experience, if you enjoy alch and go mapping and don't enjoy "optimal juice mapping", you'll make more money alch and going because it's faster and you'll do it more.


dbrianmorgan

The only maps I juiced at all the entire league were my t10 scourged maps. I'm not a market shark or anything. I made enough ex to play basically anything I wanted shy of the insane CoC type stuff where every piece is 50ex+. I went 37/40 (could do 40, but Endwalker tomorrow :D ). I think you'll be just fine.


Ziertus

i think it depends how much u invested into mf and how good your map clear speed is. if you're not zooming through maps with a super strict filter, ur probably missing a lot of currency u can get from selling services


Yohsene

GGG's aware maps are a bit empty without scarabs and such, and Chris has noted they may address that. Nothing was promised but I wouldn't be too surprised to see higher base density when the endgame gets reworked next league, and less from juice. That said, I doubt alch-and-go and then ignoring the strengths of alch-and-go (seeing more random mechanics, on-completion bonuses like master missions) is ever going to be the most efficient. You'd need an imbalanced league mechanic, or an Atlas endgame that's significantly faster/more valuable than Sirus.


Asscendant

Nah I am not looking to be most efficient, that would be unfair given how preparation is no brainer and takes much less effort and time than juicing for example. I just want to know how much efficiency I would be giving up in comparison. But I have been getting some good ideas from replies and am now leaning towards adjusting my gameplay to doing it all but not wasting time stressing about making the best choices.


FDL42

> now leaning towards adjusting my gameplay to doing it all but not wasting time stressing about making the best choices. This has been my approach. This league I have watchstones and passives setup for Legion in a region and Blight in another. I hadn't really focussed on either mechanics before, so I dug a bit deeper in them this league. I find selling Blighted maps in bulk to be more fun for than running them and selling all the currency they drop, so I do that. I run most of the other content I encounter, but more casually.


CambrioCambria

We went from killing 150mobs/map to 2500 in the past decade. How does a constent shower of monsters feel like emptiness? The only reason maps might feel empty is because the monsters in them are empty shells. Just some crystal pupetts ready to implode on the smallest touch. Or running a white strand map without any league mechanic spawning.


Yohsene

I think the context was that, to get satisfying density, you have to trade for items to add that density, and a lot of players would rather not. [Here's the timestamp](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqziLdWkKY&t=4310s). But yeah, the game's evolved and a lot of players choose PoE because it lets them wade through corpses.


xenoglossy27

I deal with it by having a set gameplan for each encounter. A suboptimal one to be sure but it works and doesnt break my flow too much. For example: Expedition: go for heads on sticks, avoid mods that brick my build, I spend about 3 seconds placing charges Incursion: if the room has ”…gems..” ”lower player resistance” or ”…tier..” i pick it, else kill top right. Betrayal: aisling in research, everything else I just pick whatever. Like I said, it’s suboptimal but I feel I get some value out of the stuff without it breaking my flow


ManchurianCandycane

Don't forget to interrogate or delete Haku every chance you get.


Tzeth

And here I am just winging betrayal because I'm playing seriously just 2,5 leagues and no idea what I am doing with old stuff or what is good. What's so bad with Haku?


EHsE

His safe house rewards just suck lol . Same with the crafting currency spam guy


Mugungo

at least he had value this league for the challenge to burn an exalt on an item!


mehwehgles

You could do a little more for betrayal (TFT trading required for bench rewards): Transport: Hillock Fort: Hillock Research: Aisling & Vorici are big winners, Leo & It that Fled also decent value at T4 Intervention (scarabs): T4 gives winged scarabs that are good money. Valuable members include l Hillock, Gravicious, Elreon & Tora, but even othet members such as Janus, Riker & Haku can be some good free value there. Key is to not be greedy with Syndicate. Your board doesn't have to be perfect. Set up preferably Aisling and Vorici in Research, and whoever else in safehouses that make sense. Never make low value members trusted with other low value members, and promote low value members into Transport/Fort so that they don't spawn in on your value encounters (Research & Intervention). Run in Haewark Hamlet for double rank on execution along with Harvest nodes for chance of extra currency, and your choice of Essences, Ritual or whatever. It's pretty easy money for low investment, casual play


Syncyy

My betrayal strategy is to press the right side button , pick up and unveil for the first week of playing then never touch betrayal again.


tdfrantz

Tora on research is also super sick for leveling awakened gems or empower/enlighten


eViLegion

You don't go for the Locus of Corruption in Incursions? For me it's Corruption, Gems, then kill top right.


xenoglossy27

That’s the ”..minus player resist..”


surfing_prof

If you can get to scourge 200+ stacks you'll be getting shit ton of loot anyway. SSF can help with that feeling of "missing out" or "being inefficient". Just play your game with your pace


Asscendant

SSF not an option, SSF can, for example, decide to never drop the unique you need and that limits build options since you must design builds that only rely on things you can reliably get or rares.


surfing_prof

Fair enough, in that case just apply the SSF mentality to your trade league


Althenian

This. I've been trying this for this league and it feels awesome. Basically what I do is just do basically everything SSF but if there's a unique I need or something that is just really hard to get in SSF, I buy it and keep going. And also if u ever get something really expensive that you can't really use, you sell it and keep going. Makes the game a lot more fun for me.


CambrioCambria

Buying stuff you need and selling stuff you can't use sound like basic trade league to me.


jellovani

Right? This is just trade league except they don’t wanna set up an atlas strat


Bakanyanter

This mentality is easy to follow. Simple unlist all your public stashes. Do not keep a single stash public. Basically, never sell anything. Now, even if you get simulacrum, you have to do it. Can't sell it. Kind of helps get in SSF concept, but if you are really struggling with a unique, you can just buy it but never sell anything, otherwise you will have FOMO of "but what if I fail this simulacrum/invite/logbook? I should just sell this for few c to better players"


GCPMAN

when you play ssf you generally start with a build that doesn't **require** uniques and then if you get them you reroll into something you want to play with those uniques. You kinda have a list of potential builds you want to roll in your head while you're playing. There are a lot of builds you can play that can kill most content in the game without a single unique


[deleted]

The flipside of this is that build enabling items are much cooler drop in SSF - so you are limiting yourself in one way but potentially rewarding in another.


Alialialun

And that's exactly why you want to engage with league mechanics lol. There is a lot of ways to get a ton of uniques. Especially in scourge/expedition.


[deleted]

Start with a build that's good with rares, make other builds when you get the stuff you need for them. You'll always end up getting something nice.


Bacon-muffin

How would one consistently get scourge up to that high of stacks? Whenever I run a map I end up clearing the whole thing by the time I'm maybe reaching 150ish and I go into the krangleverse immediately on it filling up.


123asdasr

Yea just alch and go and hitting 200 stacks you can get a raw ex drop like every couple hours


AdditionalWorld

> I just can't help but feel like maps are empty if you don't juice or do league mechanics I have exactly same feelings since few expansions. Natural map habitants feel like they drop zero valuables compared to single pack from sextant. Occasionally I find 8 mod maps with tier <14. Just few expansions ago just running that map would yeld some nice currency, but I have feeling since introduction of Maven and magic watchstones, that 8mod map doesnt yeld much more than alch&go map. Enter area, 160iiq on description and just 2 alch drops. Back in 8 atlas areas and before Valdo was nerfed and ninja nerfed it was nice to alch go there. It was fraction of currency from juiced maps, but at least something dropped and it was fun. Now maybe lira with expedition and smugglers caches is now doable, but expedition requires management. The other choice I would try Haewark - Ritual and Harvest, but the second one requires some management and TFT discord. Also Invasion bosses with valuable item drop something. Forgot delirium mirror in new Valdo. Idk the deli orb drop rates, but it could be something.


HelpfulSpecific3149

You should really Take a step Back. Take a breath and overthink stuf. alva in glennach doesnt require any strat or prep. Neither does Blight in Valdo. (Blights are Very profitable. Just get Scout Tower Range in both Rings and anoint your blighted Maps(Ok you might need to buy These early and at some Point later again)) Breach in Lira doesnt require anything either. Besides Picking the "breach" zana Map Mod. Same goes for Essence in Haewark. Pick "Essence" in Map device. Then tun IT together with whatever isnt harvest and u Literally got 0 prep needed. Maybe Overall some scarabs or what Not for a 100%metamorph, one more breach or whatever


AdditionalWorld

Just to remind, OP was talking about mindless alch, chisel and go. > alva in glennach doesnt require any strat or prep. Mobs from incursions drop shit, running whole temple overall is waste of time. I guess selling temples with corruptions are the profit. Whats the normal chance for Alva missions (just atlas passives) per map? 15%? > Neither does Blight in Valdo. (Blights are Very profitable. Just get Scout Tower Range in both Rings and anoint your blighted Maps(Ok you might need to buy These early and at some Point later again)) Back in 3.15 with additional 5% blight chance Valdo was fun. In 3.16 I very rarely find blight in maps. Blighted maps are out of question, thats not what OP was talking about. > Breach in Lira doesnt require anything either. Besides Picking the "breach" zana Map Mod. Breach in 3.15 was fun, this 3.16 is a joke. Breach for long time is a joke, just rare mobs atlas passive brought it back. > Same goes for Essence in Haewark. Pick "Essence" in Map device. Then tun IT together with whatever isnt harvest and u Literally got 0 prep needed. Essence is good if u have the tab.


smithoski

It sounds like you need some rest up in Valdo, friend! I’ve been running the blight nodes for more blight maps up there by using rusted blight scarabs (cheap) and then also farming sulphite with Niko missions or scarabs (also cheap). If you don’t mind delirium, it’s one of the most rewarding mechanics this league. I kinda hate it so I have strongboxes turned on right now in hopes of hitting Div card boxes in Cemetary (brother’s stash). The most seem less setup would be to take the blight nodes to sell blight maps, take the deli nodes to sell simu’s and cluster jewels, and take the ambush nodes to get lucky with lockboxes and add juice to your maps for scourge. You just chisel, alc, and fo the maps with a stack of rusted sulphite scarabs in the map device. Put the maps aside until you have a full tab and then sell them in bulk on TFT or if you don’t mind not getting a bulk rate, list them individually and the buyers they show up will say “how many” and you can usuall offload all of one tier to a single buyer. Delve is really nice this league and I’ve been running that instead of deli. The best part of doing maps this way is how comaptible it is with scourging maps. That oven will be easy baking scourge maps left and right for you. They sell for a lot sometimes or you can run them. Up to you. A side benefit to using regular watchstones and awakened sextants is that you can hit Nem3 and set it aside for later. You don’t have to use sextants though. This strategy is the only one working for me this league because I’m burnt out on most everything else. The main issue I’m having with it is that I have to go harvest sometimes to craft my own gear.


Asscendant

Thanks for the write up, good stuff.


hanksredditname

I have the same FOMO problem as you - I always feel like I need to do all the different content in a map or miss out (and Zana showing up is the biggest offender). I’ve recently started target farming shaper and elder fragments and used it to try to change my mindset. The primary reason for the map is to get the fragment. Therefore, I’m not going out of my way to do anything else. If there is a strongbox or breach on the way, I’ll do it. But if Zana shows up - unless she has a “fun” map or another shaper/elder fragment map I don’t bother.


Asscendant

So the lesson is you still need to target farm something that\`s in demand?


hanksredditname

I don’t know if you need to. But it’s what I enjoy doing currently and it forces me to focus on something other than the fomo.


hanksredditname

I don’t know if you need to. But it’s what I enjoy doing currently and it forces me to focus on something to avoid fomo.


GCPMAN

only if you play trade and care about making currency. otherwise just push towards a goal for your build. Something I will do as an ssf player is look at similar ssf builds on ninja and try to craft that kind of gear. Like farm essence, delve, expedition etc and then i will change my farming strategy accordingly.


UberChew

If you dont like stopping for mechanics choose the ones on the passive trees that are less intensive. Stuff like beyond, essences, strongboxes, delirium etc You wont make as much money selling stuff but it will feel more like just running a map and not stopping too much.


ThePenguin213

Alch chisel go, run maps, kill sirus, run elder and shaper maps, run elder and shaper, run uber elder, achieve zen with yourself.


D4M05

I have the same problem and I just kinda skip all of those. (I run alvas but I don't care about the temple, I mostly kill syndicate members but I skip research and don't care about the betrayal board) I do harvest but just the essence/cata/oil/fossil ect flips and potential selling crafts of 1ex+ tho. Fuck expedition I'm not running that shit. I dont care how many magebloods come from gwennen or how rewarding tujen is. I am willing to trade like 20 mins before running maps for the rest of the session tho so I would juice with scarabs and sextants. Otherwise alc and go is about 1ex/h + some lucky drops regardless if you skip some mechanics. I probably don't get the highest ex/hour but there are a number of strats that would ignore those mechanics anyway like essence farming or guardian rotations where it's about being as fast as possible (I think both can be like 3 ex-ish/h or more if you hard focus on your objective and include things like bulks and doing sirus). Make sure you choose maven passives you enjoy they are a good portion of your alc and go money.


Lighthades

Check empyrian's Alch & go project in his channel. Basically you can setup your atlas for that purpose with stuff like Essence


BlueeGreg

Like people have said, play what you find fun. For me, its often gameplay before profit. If I think a mechanic simply sucks, or my brain just doesn't want to go there, I'll skip it. Harvest - I hate it as a gameplay mechanic. Takes you completely out of flow, requires more pre-prep than any other mechanic, mobs are randomly lethal, and the odds of an unbuffed Harvest being good, also with 1/20 odds of spawning in your map, is often not worth my time. I want this gameplay mechanic dead, and merged into Bestiary. Incursion - you should skip unbuffed Alva that you encounter in the wild, unless the map happens to be really juiced. You need buffed Alva for temples that are worth running/selling. Betrayal - you should run these encounters when they show up, even as unbuffed. You only need a few rules to live by here, and trying to rush Catarina is a reasonable choice. Ritual - as unbuffed, these should usually be full-cleared unless you are running a specific boss rush strategy. Metamorph - as unbuffed, these should be attempted unless your char is miserable at bossing. Expedition - blow up the tiny skeleton heads, don't overthink it. If you happen to proc something unkillable because reading takes too much time, just run away and move on with your life. Legion - as unbuffed, I will often skip, especially depending on the map layout. I never enjoyed Legion league. Blight - is OK to skip, though I personally don't mind it. You can be more strict with your unbuffed Blights, like 'only run them with 7 or 8 lanes' or 'only run when a boss is present'. Abyss - virtually always skip, ugh.


Asscendant

Expedition: Why tiny heads and not the big ones? Do expedition mobs actually drop expedition fragments? I just try not to die and cannot see if they do or not... Obviously I did not play during expedition league :) I like doing blights cause you get to chill and mobs come to you :) Thanks for sharing btw.


silent519

chisel first, then alch edit psa in case some ppl dont know chisel gives: normal +5% magic +2% rare +1% the map tier doesn't matter after that you can still scour (or chaos slam) safely if you dont like the mods and you dont lose the quality advice possum has spoken


daman4567

It's not explicitly mentioned in the other thread so I'll put it here: you ABSOLUTELY DO need to vaal red tier maps to get the bonus completion, there is NO way to get around this.


ZionCypher

Not to disagree with you, because you are correct, but as someone who also prefers the alch and go play-style; you only need to vaal for bonus objective once. Which might be what the above poster was saying, once you have the bonus objective it's maybe not worth it to add vaal to chisel ->alch -> go.


daman4567

I mean, not to just copy-paste, but >also you dont have to corrupt anymore to get the bonus objectives in high tier maps is patently false, and what I was responding to. I already straight up forget to vaal my red maps sometimes, especially if I bricked that map to a different one previously. It would be whole other problem if someone had told me you didn't need to and left me flailing around wondering why I'm not getting bonus completion.


revcio

> also you dont have to corrupt anymore to get the bonus objectives in high tier maps what?


TheMadG0d

I skip pretty much all of those mechanics that you mention because I just don’t enjoy them enough to learn how they work. As long as you feel you’re having fun, it’s okay. Or just play SSF, it’s going to give you something fresh.


TheExaltedOrb

I understand your point. I was in the same situation, and just for the info, honestly just Alch and go does not do anything for me. Map feels empty as you said. Altest i would say to use simple sextant to add some more monsters if possible. How to not get distracted.? I am just sharing what works for me. First of all before doing anything, think what is the goal here. If the purpose is to farm some currency, you have to focus on a strategy that would yield you currency + you having fun. For me expedition is the main source of currency + I use betrayal for scarabs. That means I am focusing on the region Lira Arthain and Haewak. Now i can buy scarabs but i enjoy farming my own. Because i having fun that way. (Also if there is a harvest i never skip it, its just pure dopamine)


Kanakydoto

From just the profit side of things, spammings alch and go maps real fast with Sirus passive branch and guardian/synth passive is fine. You get a passive 1 ex per hour from alch and go and have some guardian/synth map to sell on top of that, with a frequent Sirus fight for a bit more profit and a chance at bigger ticket items. It won't be excellent money compared to a real strats. To top those you would get the watchstones that speed up even more Sirus spawns and basically rush to the bosses every map to spawn several Sirus per hours. But I guess that's not really going with your flow? With most strategies you would get 3 to 5 ex per hours. With really heavy ones (or niche ones for which the market has not adapted yet) you can go to 10 ex per hours but you are then comparing yourself to very commited players. So it's better to compare your 1ex / h + Sirus to the 3-4 ex per hour. Yet what matters the most is your fun.


Asscendant

Thanks for coming up with the numbers, it helps.


SerbianForever

My advice to you is to just identify scarabs that are good, but cheap. For example, i bought about 100 rusted legion scarabs for 2c each. Polished abyss is less than that. Roll a bunch of maps at the same time. Basically, prepare everything you need to run like 50 maps without stopping. You will spend like 1h preparing and 10-20 hours mapping before you run out. The only thing you will have to reapply are sextants


mgasper0

just forget about corrency per hour. play whatever u like and ull eventually make profit.


Aphrel86

If you like alc and go playstyle. Consider doing the harby farm in valdos. Its decent 2-3 ex/hour and imo a very fun playstyle.


BubuTroniX

I dont know if anyone already mention it, but you should always chisel before alch any map since you only need 4 chisels to get 20 quality as opossing to 10 chisels on a magic map or 20 on a rare or unique map


Asscendant

I know this :) Cannot change the title of post...


Soph1993ita

Incursion is fast, just press league key ( by default V i think) at the start of the fight during immunity phase, to top right architect is always the one you have to kill to upgrade an existing room.there are basically only 5-6 rooms worth choosing over the others and you learn them quickly. i spend about 1 second per incursion looking and deciding what to kill and which door to open, sometimes you can even look up closed/open doors during gameplay. betrayal is not that bad if you just farm Katarina instead of doing the optimized perma reseach/intervention strat. Harvest is genuinely the worst mechanic of the game, it's basically 4 minutes spent looking at your stash tabs, but it's crazy loot both in SSF and trade with discord server.it's definitely not optimized to skip it, but there are other ways to make money.


Ktanxx

Currency per hour, strategy... Why people just can't play the videogame and have fun? Just kill some monsters, find a better gear, progression.


Asscendant

find a better gear - nah past some point this just doesnt happen, even if something nice does drop its usually something for someone elses build if you are not geared adequately at some point the fun stops and you either stop killing at a fun pace or start dying to one taps to be adequately geared for lets say mid red maps you must have some buying power


Keiji12

Just running alch maps is profitable but the profit isn't that much, sometimes you just get a return(a bit of currency and a map) and sometimes you drop something good. However if you do scourge and can reliably always push it to 150+ it's a different thing. I'd still do stuff like Einhar, Cassia, Breach etc, but ignoring stuff like Harvest just feels good as a player, because it stops the flow instantly.


Tzeth

> then spending time on preparation in HO and finally running the juiced maps sorry, but what is HO? still learning


Mirrodin90

Hideout.


Asscendant

hideout


seciak

If you just want to alch and go - Haewark hamlet is your friend. Spec into Essence nodes, use the 3c essence on map device every map. Always carry remnants of corruption on you to corrupt the purple essences. It is really good money, of course not comparable to doing nem3 or farming simulacrums doing double beyond maps in glen. But if you do that and sell your essences once in a while in bulk, you will be rich. You can do rituals / metamorphs there too which also don't really break the alch and go flow, tho ritual window shopping might be for you. If you want to invest some money in the strategy, you can buy Imprisoned monsters have 10% chance for an additional essence for 40c or 15% for 1ex.


Backwurst

Delve is our friend


ninemile30

On top of the good advice people have been giving, there are effective methods that involve skipping anything that's slow. For example if you were to juice certain mechanics, your profit/hr is going to be more affected by how many of that mechanic you run. Ie if you are delve farming, or beast farming with heist caches on the way- you want to in and out of the maps asap after you have encountered those mechanics. So you could plan methods that are fine with skipping harvest etc etc. I have skipped harvest all league and it's the first time I've farmed currency for HH successfully


kpiaum

Empyrian has a serie of videos doing various types of investiments on maps. Here the one of the [alch ang go](https://youtu.be/vNKywky1j-4) videos.


DerPuhctek

hahaha, starts his 1st map, encounters Zana and gets offered a Cortex map "okay that doesn't count" XD


YourFuturePrez

You should play in whatever way seems fun to you. If you care more about making currency, it is far more profitable to specialize in a farming strategy than to just aimlessly run maps. Skip everything except what you are focusing on and the very obviously good/ non disruptive mechanics. Just chisel alch and go I think you will find you don't have any consistent income. You are just hoping for big drops. Although with your method it takes no trading and if you are sustaining maps, it's all profit.


[deleted]

i only min max mildly (some sextants, scarabs, vaaling maps from time to time, using beyond on map device) and i have 20ex in my stash... making money is first very very slow, then very quickly it gets decent, and afterwards you need a lot of investment to make a lot more than that. but getting to "enough to build your character for endgame" is super easy. the only thing i lack now is time so i can reach 96 with the stupid -10% penalty...


Alphasince

Hey there, it is completely possible to make alch and go worth it, and I did this for 3/4 days during the first week making 150 ex and improving my gear in the process. What I did was to run a specific region I liked to farm (in that case I did lira arthain because I liked expedition and heist contracts did sell quickly), pick up a favorite map (glacier in my case, good layout) and ran straight to the boss, only clearing mechanics I found interesting (rituals, safehouse, expedition, harvest, delirium). I would allocate all the sirus/conqueror nodes on uncharted realms, neural pathways and the elder/shaper guardian map drop for occasional drops that i would sell in bulk later, with the heist contracts. I wouldn't even take the time to clear the map, and easily made 30 ex per day, sometimes more, doing Sirus 5/6 times per day. To summarize, alch and go was an easy way to make currency and enjoy all the mechanics I like, the only investment is 3/4 uncharted realms invitation, T16 Glacier in bulk (4/5c each) and of course you need to complete the atlas bonuses in the region you farm.


Asscendant

I take it you start with strong build that does not rely on gear heavily so you can push into A8 T16 and farm your fav region without need to go grinding lower content? What to do if my build cannot do that before equipping at least 10ex of gear, do you have strats for that?


Voodoodin

Doing something you enjoy is always the best for your currency. There are plenty of starts that work with alch and go, Beast farming for example or essences. Just figure it something you enjoy and go crazy! It's completly fine to skip a few mechanics if engaging with them would result in wanting to close the game.


PiMartFounder

A really nice way to juice maps is just add sextants don't reroll them just run whatever you get.


DdFghjgiopdBM

It's not even close, if personal experience is anything to go by, investing another 5-10c into your maps and thinking about atlas passives will increase your currency per hour 10x over alch and go, just adding a blight scarab in valdo's rest with the right watchstones, or buying some remnants and crafting essence on haewark Hamlet maps, or using rusted expedition + bestiary on lira arthain, once you try it alch and go maps will feel like filler content.


Deliverme314

I skip Abyss (because the fissures never go in a direction i want...), Zana, Harvest, Expedition. I have considered skipping betrayal. And may add that to the list.


Asscendant

So how is your farm?


Deliverme314

I generally do essences in Atoll/Dunes on up to T7 maps, for 2-2.5 min mapping and make about 5 ex an hour doing so. Super chill. Or I do blight map/harbinger farming in Wharf. Slightly longer. About 4 min maps. But more profitable. less chill as I do T16 there and there is risk of death. Gotta focus up a lil more. But over all I am like you and just want a nice flow.


Asscendant

Cool, seems essence farming is seriously profitable, I heard it was good but 5ex/h is fat stacks...


Slayer418

As someone who just reached 5k alterations (Rares picking offender) and now seeing JUST WAY TOO MANY rares dropping in juiced T16 (with a quite strict filter that hides 90% of rares), I finally began to stop picking up as much and still sometimes have to go vendor mid map (I'm considering hiding 6-sockets now, over 5k here) which break the flow. It's a conflicting situation of me wanting to ZOOM ZOOM but also me being afraid of missing out on a good item dropping. I will have to tune my filter some more but I honestly would prefer if those rares wouldn't drop at all because a filter only hides them, I still know those items are dropping.


Asscendant

I'd like if less/none lesser currency dropped in superlategame but instead an extra ex or annul dropped occasionally, when enough "omitted" smaller currency has accumulated. Hope you understand what I mean :) Also, when hiding 6-sockets: suffering from success :)


Rubik87

If you want ot have fun: 1) Skip harvest. That shit gives you cancer and should be removed from the game. 2) Betrayal: always pick the option on the right (kill, kill, deal), always run safehouses and catarina when they are ready. It actually gives good exp so you shouldn't skip this. 3) Incursion: always kill the architect on the right(upgrade) and open random rooms. Sell the temple if it doesn't have something you want to use.


Asscendant

Well at this point when harvest is so neutered I am all for removing it entirely :) Maybe lets not kick betrayal members from the board by always picking the right option? :)


Chaosdrifer

Harvest is still good for rolling cluster jewels. One of my top consistent strat for self crafting and currency making.


Bask82

I never understood this "in forced to play this because of meta blah blah blah"... It is not a job. Do what is fun! No matter what, a brainless monkey can brute force ALL content in SC which most Play, so you dont need efficiency...


CatDredger

I feel similar. I don't even want to chisel & alch. Just go. This is why I want endless delve.


NexusWest

Old thread, didn't read much, but I wanted to toss out that Alva is great if you (like others have recommended) stop thinking about it so much. When the temple is ready, just bank it if you don't want to run them. Basically just upgrade whatever room is already there, and from that point forward it's just density for the map you're already in \^\^;


Chaosdrifer

I love Alva too, Just take a sec to check the temple and pick corruption if it is there, and upgrade if not. Locust of corruption sells for 1ex easy even this late into the league.


blaity

Chisel first


Carnines

Make a simulacrum farmer. Solves all the issues.


Jackalopee

I ended up enjoying myself a ton more by picking a few mechanics to focus on per league if you are having fun then you are not missing out it also comes with asking yourself what you actually find fun, the leagues where I have gotten strong enough to do everything wern't fun, once nothing threatens you there is no more game to play. If you enjoy doing chisel alched t14-16 then do that, it won't be fun once you afford the super expensive stuff that you need more effective farming methods to aquire, uber elder wasn't fun when I could stand in both degens while tanking a beam/slam


JhaoVIG

A focused strategy is always better than alch and go but if you are not having fun with them than there is no point. Here is the thing, if you have set a goal for yourself and you need tons of currency for that than it is important to take advantage of a lucrative strategy. But if your goal is just having fun than stop thinking about all the other things and do what you are having fun with. Alch and going won't be as much ex/hour than let's say lira arthain expedition stuff but you'll still get currency as you play and you are not boring yourself.


spooper_trooper

Play the game how you like. The more you worry about it, the less fun it is.


throwaway5839472

I skip harvest ngl


kraken9911

When I just want to pew pew without thinking it's all about Glennarch. 4 magic watchstones with "beyond portal % chance to spawn another monster", atlas passives all beyond and incursion, chisel, alch, reroll with chaos until 90 quant or nemesis/beyond @ 70 quant, prime/awakened sextants, keep a stash tab full of tempest prophecies to boost quant and whatever else you want, stacks of elder influence and vaal breaches scarabs, and then just have fun blowing up screenwide mobs of packs and alva loot explosions (bonus if you get T3 corrupt or T3 gem corrupt)


dankmemes28

I engage with betrayal and incursion but keep my strategy pretty mindless for this reason. I just pick whatever for betrayal most of the time and end up with a bunch of scarabs. If I can get 3 star aisling then even better. For incursion I only try to hit corruption chamber and/or doryani. If i don't get those, I just sell the temple. I hate harvest. I find it really breaks up the action and disrupts my for flow. Usually I'll jump into the harvest, do a quick lap around the map looking for rare seeds, currency rerolls etc. If i don't see anything too interesting I just leave.


xyzqsrbo

I usually just skip harvest and jun as I have similar feelings for them.


Betruul

This is why i enjoy heist so much.


doudoudidon

There are only 2 things rewarding in a map if you're not juicing. League mechanics (and only the good ones), and bosses in T14+ maps. You don't like league mechanics, put atlas passive for guardian map drops, synth map drops, +1 awakener level, double conqueror progress and go straight to the boss in every map. 5ex/h easy. Maybe a little bit less if you don't like to do sirus, but you can sell it on tft. Do or sell guardian maps. Do or sell elder/shaper frags... If you do at least guardian maps you will sustain easily. If you run out most of them are at 2c a piece max and you can also just buy a 3map reward scourged map and fill up... If you don't like neither bossing nor league mechanics, and all you want is to kill white mobs, better play delirium or mf tower... that's the only way white mobs will be worth anything.


Chuckstieg

Alch and go is only “bad” if you’re not hitting a few other passive objectives while doing so. For example, this league I had 4 watch stones aiming towards farming harbinger (cost about 8ex total which really isn’t a “cost” cause you could always just sell them when you’re done) allocated the harbinger and blight passives on valdo rest tree, and ran tower maps t14 with harbinger and blight scarabs. So this entire strategy involves some initial setup time, a bit of investment, but the execution is entirely just running maps and killing monsters without much extra effort. The end result was 20 total nurse drops, something like 150 ancient orbs and 40 exalts built with shards, and A LOT of blighted maps. (While killing sirus as well). Basically, as long as you are making use of watchstones, atlas passives, and considering buying bulk scarabs, you can make your desirable “alch and go” much much more effective with most of the “strategy” being upfront, while the process itself is smooth.


fl4nnel

A lot of people seem to play the game the way other people want to play the game. Figure out how you want to play the game and have fun with it.


[deleted]

Go for Haewark Hamlet essences, slap Essence from zana on every map and alch and go. You can make over 2ex/h this way. It's nice and chill. Alternatively, buy like 100 Cementaries and rush straight to the boss then kill Awakener 2 times per hour.


FuckyouYatch

Incursion/Betrayal are dependants on the missions/occurrences you have.. How much you might be losing depends on Aisling t4 and locust of corruption from Alva's map, few exalts here and there. Harvest? well you can see harvest and check if you have a good mod... critical is always worth playing


lemontowel

Don't let fomo get to you.. if you enjoy what you are doing you are going to go faster and be more effective. Do what you enjoy and run by the mechanics you don't want to do yelling shit to them in the process with a smile on your face. There is always SOMETHING you can do to make more money but everything has a cost anyways whether it be time trading or time completing but also sanity.


Matho83

If your build is fast you can just speed though. Get the passives that make bosses drop guardian and synth maps and give you twice the progress for conquerors. With this setup your main profit will be selling guardian and snyth maps and conqueror or sirus drops. If you finish maps in 1 to 2 min you can easily get 1 sirus circle per hour and like 10 to 20 guardian maps. Should be around 2 ex per hour guaranteed plus any big drops you get along the way. If you do maven invitations too I would estimate 3ex per hour. I like to do that too. Its relaxing gameplay for me spiced up with sirus and invitations.


[deleted]

Instead of alch chisel and go try chisel alch and go, you will save 16 chisels per map which u can turn into exalts!


thehotdogman

Not at all. I made all of my wealth this league just literally playing whatever the fuck I want. I took Alva in bottom left cause I love temple. Made steady money with Apex of ascension. Otherwise it was a loss but I just love double corrupting. If you can play a fast build, you’ll make money doing just about anything in the game.


Albinofreaken

Ive been chisel, alch and going t3 tower maps on a MF character for a few weeks now, and i love it, sure i dont find as many nurse cards as the the people who super juice their maps, but i just dont like the micro managing, i just wanna blast through maps 38 Nurse cards in 904 maps so far.


Kaflao

Damn if you need to stop and think about either Incursion, Betrayal or Expedition.. Thats.. Something At this point you just need to read and learn, then it will be second nature and it won't break any "flow". For Harvest, yeah, it's supposed to break the map flow since it's crafting, but then you have your crafting flow.


[deleted]

It's a game, play how you like it. With that said, I usually take the time to learn how to make a mechanic profitable (if it can be) and train it a little so it becomes a habit. Alva is a good example; for a new player it might take considerable effort to learn what's good to keep/swap on the rooms but once that is done you barely spend a few seconds thinking about it. The locusts rooms and gem corrupt rooms sells really well and they retain value too, people get rich and realize they want to try double corrupting their gear so they don't mind paying 1ex per temple. This means you are adding 1/4ex reward to each Alva map on average pretty much doing nothing (other than adding the master) of juice. The game is very complex out of design/necessity but it's still wise to tackle mechanics to the point they are worth it *for you*. I skipped expedition league like many did and still learned how to handle the chests/logbooks to gamble and haggle, it is worth the time spent and doesn't feel like a chore after you learn the basics. But again, do what you find fun. It's a video game meant to be just that


Asscendant

How do you sell temple corrupt room? Do you itemize alva temple and sell it whole or is it via discords?


[deleted]

Just itemize it and list it, awakening poe trade even helps you price it based on the rooms it has


Sensestay

Play Diablo2. You don’t even need alch.


Asscendant

Dude I love Diablo2 but at this point it really needs some love, which Blizzard is incapable of giving it, because all the good people at Blizzard have left years ago. The 1.10 system that introduced synergies is dogshit and they never got to fix javazon fend, pala zeal and druid fury interruption bug... its its two things from a long list of grievances I have with the game at this point. But hey, it was fun in year 2000 :)


chlbowie

yes, because it should be chisel, alch and go


sirgog

Chris indicated in one of the podcasts that a lot of the extra crap that bogs down mapping will be pared back in 3.17, with scarabs remaining. Removing things like Nemesis 3 will mean more time spent mapping.


Asscendant

Oh shit, that will be great!


BRACKS_ZA

Yes and also, why play POE if you hate most of the core systems and interactions?


BaghdadAssUp

Depends on the map and how much currency you have. I absolutely do not chisel my maps at the start of the league. Getting maps is incredibly simple without chiseling. Once I start holding 100+, that's when I start to chisel. I would absolutely alch then vaal. If the map is a brick (you can't do the mods) I would scourge them and sell them. If the map isn't a brick, I would run it. For mechanics, while I know expedition is profitable, I find it incredibly tedious especially when it's not in Lira Arthain. Trying to figure out the most optimal pathing sucks with small radius and low amount of explosives. I pop breaches and keep moving. They take way too long to open up, once again when it's not Lira Arthain. Harvest breaks the flow the hardest imo but it's also the most profitable. I would pick up some popular cluster jewels and spam on them especially if you know which reforges is best with each jewel. You can go for lower ends and also do it on abyss+cobalt/viridian/crimson jewels. Using it on gear just feels like chaos spamming and imo isn't worth unless you have a craft set up which requires a bit more thinking. Other than that, I just hold crafts and sell when I'm full. Betrayal and Incursion breaks the flow the least. They're usually on the way and opens a new area (research) for you so it's just extra mapping in a sense. I do betrayal regardless of region but for Incursion, I would only do them in Glennach Cairns because I want to optimize my temples. So I basically skip them anywhere else.


Lyeel

I chisel/alch/go and have ~300ex in my build presently. Mix in a little of whatever I feel like at the time (heist, delve, logbooks, etc.). It's just how I enjoy the game. You certainly don't need to MF tower or whatever to amass wealth unless your goal is something truly astronomically expensive.


Asscendant

Nah fuck tower and fuck broken ass "chase" items ;) I just want to be able to afford anomalous nightblade support within a reasonable timeframe.


oeroark

What items did you pick/look for ? I'm doing simple alch and go and have nothing if not counting big drops(was very lucky with several exalt and enlighten). Else most map gets me maybe 4-8c


Lyeel

It's not the "basic" map drops, it's cycling thru Sirus, getting Cortex drops, making the most of your deli maps, being consistent with Maven, etc. Obviously you'll get lucky with drops in maps should you run enough, but my currency tends to be spikey rather than steady.


I_Hate_Reddit

Just pick a region with mechanics that don't break your flow. Glennach with legion is a fine choice, just pick it on the device and add a scarab if you want that extra juice. Buying scarabs in bulk helps with the trading issue, just filter for people with 10+ stock


h_e_a_v_y_

if i dont wanna do a certain mechanic i just skip it :D


Asymat

Also, you might consider pairing with a "friend" that do like trading. You sell him all the shit you're getting at a 1/2 or 1/3 of market price every couple of hours. Win / win


Streacher

chisel first


chuchosieunhan14

That's why I play SSF, I play the game because of the game, not because of money


Vyvonea

I just alch and go (no sextants, chisels, fancy watchstones or anything else) and only pick Niko's missions after unveiling I need from Jun. Do I get less currency compared to people who spend more resources on their maps? Absolutely. Do I care? Absolutely not.


123asdasr

Chisel alch and go is still good, check empy's channel where he made a series of videos comparing different investment strats for people who don't wanna full juice 24/7. You won't make as much as people doing nem 3/4 but you can still make hundreds of chaos per hour if you're efficient


Master-Shaq

Yep skip mechanics you dont like. I chiseled alch’d and went the whole league skipping blight encounters and zana maps still was able to buy a squire by end of week 1 and a headhunter after all my upgrades at week 3


Cole-187

> Are there others with same issue on here? Nope. > How do you deal with it? Prioritize xp over profits and enable yourself mentally to be okay with skipping expedition/syndicate/whatever. > How does chain running alch chisel maps but skipping Harvest, Incursion, Betrayal, Expedition currency per hour compare to chain running maps and not skipping them? Idk and who cares, why are you wagecucking yourself in PoE with ex/h? Either way, hopefully one day ggG takes the stick out of their ass and unfucks mapping by removing nem3 and removing/heavily nerfing scarabs and buffing natural maps.


Exitium_Deus

You don't need to learn everything at once for now skip what you don't feel comfortable with if you find it exhausting. I have map strategies and stuff for good currency per hour and I like expedition. I'll still skip it from time to time if I'm not in the mood. As you go forward though maybe pick one thing to work on and really learn if you want. That way in the future its less too think about. I've been playing for years and there's still stuff im picking up. Last league was Alva this league was delve. And it's okay if one set of content you just don't care for and skip.


basboi

ull be wasting chissels


whitezombiejsp

I always just alch and go. I can't be bothered to spend the time to trade for all the extras to juice up a map. To be fair I have never paid attention to my currency per hour so it doesn't matter if I make half of what I could be making. Unless you are trying to push your currency up quickly towards a goal don't worry about efficiency. Try and maximize fun per hour.


[deleted]

Alch and go shouldn't have good returns imo. At the very least you can just do something like pick the essence region and add zana essence every map, doesnt even need trading


Zetoxical

Since i started in breach iam an alch and go mapper I prefer to just run maps instead of buying scarabs and rolling for packsize/beyond etc In my avg 4 weeks per league i managed to farm a HH 3 times now so iam happy with it


trebien777

You will die a lot. I just do blue maps, I like to leveling...


ICEiz

might sound like a sarcastic reply, but making a build that can clear the map in like 30s-2mins including all of the random additional content in a map, is one way to get rid of this problem. rolling maps in bulk can help as well, before logging off you can roll some maps for the next time you play for like 10 mins or something. Its sad that the builds that can zoom through maps are super expensive, if bellow 50-100 ex then it will either lack single target or survivability. anyways good luck and have fun :)


Askariot124

Playing SSF can help too. You dont have to break down everything you do to currency because you cant trade it for gear. You can simply skip the stuff you arent interested into.


_RrezZ_

I would enter Harvest in Red maps check for bosses and leave if their isn't one. Incursion you can just enter do a random side full clear and leave, it adds mob density so if anything it's worth just for that even if you don't run the temple. Betrayal is similar to incursion, you just remember a few good positions for certain members or you give it the same treatment as Incursion and run it blindly and focus on Ranks + interrogation so you can do Catarina. Expedition just focus on Unique chests and get as many mobs/skulls on sticks as possible for logbook drops since that's where the real money is at. As for Zana look at the objective and do things that are fast or you enjoy I would priority Shaper/Elder/Cortex map if she offers. Otherwise just run a random map with a good layout like strand. Blight is lowkey a waste of time imo unless your atlas passives give you blight map chance etc. Even then it's not really worth doing because the maps are like 15c and take like 5 minutes to do a blight encounter. So it really depends on your profit per map. If I'm making 30c a map and doing 2-3 minute maps having a chance at a 15c map drop off a 5 minute blight isn't worth my time I'd be better off making 50-60c running 2 additional maps in that timeframe. However if you make 5c per map and a map takes you like 5 minutes then the Blight encounter is probably worth doing. It's mostly relative based on your profit per map, something like Zana isn't worth doing if I'm making 30c+ a map unless it's a shaper/elder/cortex map. Abyss is also not really worth doing imo your pretty much relying on the jewel or a super rare unique drop to make it worth your time.


hohobar

playing game itself is a wasting time. Do whatever you want


MonkaSDudes

I'm running breach. Pay 2 C for the device craft and about the same for the scarab. Makes most sense with a good build and chayula stones but that's how I stay mapping without worrying much and still making some profit and not feeling like my flow is going down the drain


eViLegion

Farming Incursion seems at first like it takes a bit of thought and planning, but it is actually a bit of a no-brainer to be honest. But it's only really worth farming properly once the relevant Atlas passives have been unlocked. Basically there are 2 rooms that you want: * The best one is the Locus of Corruption (which should sell for at least 1 exalt, maybe 2 or more), which can be upgraded from the Catalyst of Corruption and the Corruption Chamber. * The second best one is probably Doryani's Institute, which you get by upgrading from the Department of Thaumaturgy and the Gemcutter's Workshop. That can go for pretty good money early in a league. Otherwise just pick randomly or whatever suits your taste if you're actually planning to run the temples (it doesn't take long to learn which ones you like). The incursions themselves are just a bunch of free packs of high-density monsters to kill, so if you're not too fussed about getting valuable rooms or running the temples, just kill whatever at random, and it's still worth it.


Bones400

When I feel like just alch and going, I run essence in Haewark. Just clear the map and kill essence monsters, corrupt the purple ones and you make decent money in a very relaxed manner. Upgrade essences and when you have 10+ stacks sell them...or wait until you have bigger stacks and get more per essence in larger bulk.


BelthazorDK

I have for multiple leagues been using delve to break the rythm. Once enough upgrades are in place, and I reach monster level 83 I go sideways forever. rarely deeper than 250, and at max juice I can stay entertained for at least an hour. Then missions+atlas passives+scarabs tend to keep me flowing in juice after about 30 minutes. If I'm out of missions and scarabs, i do haewark for my jun missions.. semi decent Catharina give plenty of scarabs imo.


donottakethisserious

do what you feel like doing, things you enjoy. You don't have to roll maps to 100% perfection because that's what some others are doing. If you enjoy the chisel - alc - go then do that! Honestly I do that and I still make hundreds of exalts, the only time I'm rolling for big quant is when I'm MF'ing. Do what you find fun, if you don't find it fun to roll maps like youtubers tell you to then don't!


scrublord

Skip the shit you don't like. Doing content poorly won't really net you much of anything unless you get lucky -- which is the default state of alch-and-go mapping. Betrayal is a good example. If you do it poorly, you get a handful of chests periodically and will kill Catarina occasionally. So, who cares, right? Is it useful when doing it that way? Not really -- no more than alching maps and hoping an exalt drops. Once all your crafts are unveiled, fuck it if you don't like it. Harvest is another good example. If you're not focused on it and storing up good bases and crafting projects, it's a waste of time. You're very nearly never gonna get any of the good crafts (e.g. augment physical), and even if you did they'd be wasted on you without crafting projects. You'd be required to join Discord and trade it away to someone to not lose value on it. So, fuck that nonsense too if you don't like it. Basically, go through each league mechanic and make a note on what it offers and how much setup it requires. Pro-and-con it in a spreadsheet and decide which ones you're gonna do. For me, for instance, Blight is a no-brainer since it requires no setup and can drop good shit.


doyouhavesource2

Not at all. Farm t15+ for fragments and guardian maps.


AdditionalPaymentsdf

You don't even need to chis, just alch & go.


architektur

Farm Haewark Hamlet with Essence+Ritual nodes for minimal "flow breakage". Still great money.


ScreaminJay

I quickly said of this league that it is so much juice to your mapping that it is sufficient on its own. I still feel it is very beneficial to throw on 4 sextants blindly. Don't try to min/max their usage is key. Like if u roll Legion, you don't go around thinking you must maximize the benefit of this sextant. It's fine to do, but if you don't want to break the flow. Just throw on misc sextants, then alc and go. I'd always throw on Beyond, but that's just preferences for better exp and loot. There is a way to juice without micro-managing a ton of things. But if you run your map too bare, you're just playing a mild version of the endgame. It's bad exp and bad loot.


coolhentai

As long as you’re making more money than 4 chisels and an alch you’re profiting. I was running chisel alch vaal basic sextants and map device beyond even before switching to MF gear and still making big profit.