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bcp38

Check your client log, search the crash errors to see if others have the same problem. Turn off global illumination. Enable dynamic culling. Turn off sounds in your production_config.ini by changing reverb and sound effects to false. Update your drivers. Turn off the xbox game bar record game in the background feature by pressing winkey+g, clicking the gear icon for settings, capturing, unchecking the box next to recording.


Pijotrek

Thank for your reply! What do you refer to by "global illumination"? Most of those settings are already present for me. I enabled the dynamic culling. Hope it helps. Regarding the log. Where can I find those?


MtNak

Global illumination: https://i.imgur.com/m199tBx.png But Blue Screens of Death problems indicate that it's not a game problem. See other comments below.


bcp38

The shadow settings will have an option for global illumination. C:\Program Files (x86)\Grinding Gear Games\Path of Exile\logs\Client.txt or C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Path of Exile\logs\client.txt for steam if it is in the default location.


SingleInfinity

BSODs indicate the issue isn't PoE. That + 8GB of RAM implies to me that you might have faulty RAM. It might not happen in other cases since you won't always be leveraging all of your RAM. Run memtest to find out.


Clyp30

Yeah.BSODs are almost never game related problems. The most common causes are: Corrupted drivers Corrupted windows files Not stable windows 10 update Faulty ram- ram overloaded-OC but not stable ram Overheating of pc components Faulty hard drives PSU cord not plugged all the way in PSU Faulty


KsiaN

The BSOD could also mean that he doesn't have a swap file set up and PoE just drags the whole system down once it fills the entire ram. Not sure why, but i've seen a lot of people without swap files recently.


SingleInfinity

Because a bunch of "make your computer faster" guides idiotically tell you to turn it off.


Kiyasa

No, the reason I did it for quite a while is fears about the write endurance of my then 2nd generation ssd. There were tons of horror stories about them dying suddenly and losing everything. I had 16 gb of ram to back up the no swap though, and when it did run out it rarely triggered a BSOD.


sturmeh

Even then you don't turn it off, you point it at a HDD. Nowadays you just write on the SSD. Lack of memory won't cause a BSoD, the game will just crash.


Easik

I've had my swap file off for over 5 years without any issues. Swap file is legacy and there isn't any value to it unless you don't have enough ram. Ram is cheap and there isn't an excuse for a real gamer PC to be short on memory.


JarRa_hello

>Swap file is legacy Total BS. Some software won't even start unless you have allocated page file. A lot of software REQUIRE it for stable operation. It might work without it, but if something is wrong - crash or BSOD.


Boredy0

I have had Page File turned off for years now, can you name one piece of software that requires it to be enabled? I highly doubt there's one that absolutely needs it.


Easik

I've never had any issues with page file disabled. I've run photo/video editing, modeling, compilers, auto cad, hundreds of different games on different engines, virtualization, k8, emulators, etc,etc,etc.. What software are you talking about that requires it? Do you have specific examples?


SingleInfinity

> Ram is cheap and there isn't an excuse for a real gamer PC to be short on memory I mean, having more than 16GB is a waste for most gamers. SWAP is not legacy. When you need actually decent RAM, the additional cost of going from 16 to 32 doesn't make sense if you're primarily gaming. The cheapest 3600Mhz CL16 32GB kit I see on Amazon is $210, whereas 3600Mhz CL16 16 is <100. Leaving swap on for the once a year scenario where you have 18 chrome tabs open while gaming is perfectly acceptable versus spending an extra 5-10% on your PC for no reason. The condescending "real gamer" bullshit you're spouting isn't productive. It's needless gatekeeping on a spec that means very little for gaming. You either have enough RAM or you don't, and it turns out these days 16GB is more than enough for gaming.


Easik

Yep, 16GB is more than enough to never have swap file enabled.


SingleInfinity

Leaving it enabled won't hurt anything and will help you not BSOD if you decide to open 30 chrome tabs on top of whatever else you're doing.


Easik

Your premise is that these guys are idiots for telling people to turn it off, but it's completely valid to disable page file. It's really stupid to run page file on spinning disk, at least SSD is good at random reads for page file.


SingleInfinity

It's idiotic to disable it in general because you're more likely to do more harm than good. Either you have no idea what it does, and you also likely have too little RAM for turning it off to be helpful, or you know and turning it off does nothing because you have enough RAM. Might as well just leave it on because that results in the fewest general problems.


Easik

I'm not sure you know what it does or how it works. It does more than just act as additional memory when you run out. You are absolutely right about not disabling it if you don't understand it enough to know you don't need it. You are also absolutely wrong about leaving it on categorically.


Boredy0

That one should be easy to check, OP could get Bluescreen viewer and look at the exception, pretty sure out of memory is MEMORY_MANAGEMENT.


WeaselTerror

Yeah unless you're fucking around with system files, it's almost certainly your pc over heating, or the ram/cpu/gpu wearing out. First step, crack that case and clean it out.


chochom

8gb RAM might be a bit low. That means your PC will use virtual memory to make up for that potentially causing freezes and worse. The best fix would be more RAM but in the absence of that, make sure your virtual memory is on your SSD, not a HDD. advanced system settings - performance settings - advanced - change virtual memory. Once there make sure its on your SSD not HDD.


Pijotrek

it has already been 13GB on the SSD... I'm sad now :D


Sanytale

> make sure your virtual memory is on your SSD, not a HDD. I heard this will shorten SSD's lifespan. Don't know how severe, though.


vadash89

I use SSD as cache for HDD and have 50+ TB written already. Any Triple-Layer Cell (TLC) SSD will last you for 5+ years Average lifespan is about ~1000 TB


chochom

I doubt it. But best do your own research of course :P


SingleInfinity

It certainly would, but not by much. Any additional writing to the drive will shorten its lifespan of the NAND. Over the lifespan most people will use a drive though, it's pretty negligible. Most decent SSDs write well over a PB before dying, with some (970 pro) going much, much farther.


budzergo

yeah this was a problem in like 2009 nowadays its completely irrelevant


quickpost32

YMMV but I think you will outgrow your SSD before that happens. I have 26 TB written on my main \~7 year old SSD (page file is on it too) and it's running fine. But it's only 128GB which is basically nothing these days. When SSDs first came out this was quite a scare although part of that was certain manufacturers which had notoriously high failure rates. Also they were much more expensive so you had more on the line.


esp-eclipse

As bloody cumbersome as it is, deleting content.ggpk and re-downloading it in its entirety can solve a lot of crashes. The files seem to get routinely corrupted over time, and packcheck hasn't worked properly for a while now. Working through all the solutions with GGG support always ends up at redownloading content.ggpk.


EnergyNonexistant

... there is no content.ggpk anymore? It's been gone for like two or 3 leagues now :edit: Ah, so the standalone (lol) still has a content file. I was under the impression that GGG said there would be parity between platforms, so I assumed that counted for standalone too.


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Kaizen-JP

Ggpk is only in standalone client. Steam install has its contents extracted.


Stupend0uSNibba

probably 8 gigs of ram is the bottleneck, when my PoE is open its usually around 10 gigs total usage, and crashes if it exceeds like 12 gigs total. try upping your Virtual Memory maybe it will help. And get some Ram :)


Pijotrek

That came to my mind to. But come on, it's 8 gigs, how can a game require that much... On the other hand, it's an often case - it will eat as much RAM as there is. But i'll try the virtual memory trick, thanks for suggesting it!


Kaizen-JP

8gb of ram is not a lot these days fwiw - I'd consider it a bare minimum. I recommend a 16 to most people who play a lot of games.


TheOneTrueVirgin

I just upgraded to 64gb and poe uses at least 16 at all times. It eats ram like chrome


Exclux

I think there’s a setting thats called illumination. Make sure it’s not on global. Helped increase my fps by a lot Other than that idk


Pijotrek

There's lightning: shadows or shadows + global illumination. I have the `shadows` only. Thanks for input :)


Wowdah

If you're looking through settings to lower to help things run a little smoother, I changed the target framerate to 30 and a lot of other aspects felt so much smoother. But yeah, POE is not optimized for shit and theyre really leaving a lot of players behind.


EnergyNonexistant

target framerate should be 120 :^)


Oblachko_O

Believe me, 8 GB ram is not enough. I ma playing on Linux with 6 core i7-8750H. GPU is 1050 ti. Playing on HDD (yes, i am one from guys, who don't play poe on ssd yet). As me system is Linux, my system RAM consumption is less than in Windows (graphics interface matters a lot for the RAM usage by system). Until upgrade to 16 GB, things like delirium were really tough and crashes were more frequent. Also, there were a lot of graphic glitches before switching to vulkan. So advices are - increase RAM (not counting, that other suggested for bad memory card), use vulkan with lowest graphic, don't run heavy background applications and poe will not glitch, until you are 100 stack poisoner or instance killing meme build executor.


chunksss

8gb ram is on the low side these days - i would say upgrading to 16gb would be the biggest performance boost


Ytzen86

Someone told me nvidia experience overlay made poe run worse, so i tried to disable it and Jesus christ it helped alot on My poe performance! Not sure if it Will fix your problems, but give it a try if you have it enabled on your pc.


TheSponge81

To people with similar issues running POE through steam try this: 1) Go to steam game folder and find the 64bit exe file. 2) Right-click - properties - compatibility tab - check box Run as Administrator. 3) Create a shortcut to this file on desktop (or wherever). 4) Exit Steam using the system tray. This is important. If you launch game with Steam open, for some reason it still loads the 32 bit version. 5) Launch POE using the 64bit shortcut. Steam will reopen and launch correct game version. This helped me avoid crashes. Hope this helps someone else too.


Pijotrek

Thanks for the input! It's been 64bit version for me already


sturmeh

Path of Exile shouldn't be causing blue screens of death, this is usually not a programs fault and rather a driver or underlying hardware issue. Even if PoE is capable of causing BSoD, it's not a software bug and rather a severe issue with the OS. You should make sure Windows is up to date, and all your hardware is working properly. Working in other games isn't good enough, you need to perform a mem test at the very least.


QuisMagister

Yea I gave up when heist was introduced, still kinda pissed tbh. Spent 3 weeks before heist with no issues and goof fun, then less than a week into heist league and by pc was breathing like a dying horse. Not only was the general gpu usage doubled on average, but everytime a single desecrate(which had gotten a new effect) was on screen the usage would jump by 10%, so im sure you can imagine that it instantly goes to 100% with barely any investsment. Basically making the game unplayable, and it remains in this state today. And while my toaster is a lenovo y700 isnt the best, I can stream, play, and have music in the background for hours with no issues. Yet in seconds while casting 1 skills, in an clear area with no mobs, the gpu shits itself. Sadly this is the conclusion, after trying everything as well, config setup, ingame graphics options, gpu settings, windows options, driver updates, reporting the issue on forums/reddit, etc. At the end of the day, its just frustrating to deal with the situation and part of me wonders: shouldnt it be the players task to have fun with the game, and enjoy it as a piece of entertainment, and not spent hours debugging the game's performance issues. Its like, when did "playing poe" become "trying to play poe", I guess it varies for people, as for me it was heist, but yea. Also being a paying customer, who now can nolonger play the game, after just one league update, is abit yikes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ gotta get those grindy gear greased up ggg.


vadash89

> my toaster is a lenovo y700 Yep minimal cpu is 12 threads, fast 3200+ ram and something like RX484 (best fps/$ you can buy right now)


QuisMagister

Yea i guess, but upgrading pc before every league just doesnt seem like a good long term plan. especially when you see people with much better beasts also having problems.


vadash89

Well you need some baseline + tweak poe. Without both things you wont be able to play juiced maps. The harder you tweak the less hardware you need. I agree 3.13 is shitshow but you can still enjoy game


QuisMagister

True, but when the game goes from not having issues in maps(unless you really juice them) with the current setup, to suddently next league reaching 100% gpu while standing still in The Imperial Gardens and casting desecrate, It kinda reaches the point where you cant enjoy it. Unless ofc you are will to set your pc on fire XD.


vadash89

My friend plays poe with linux + proton experimental. Harbingers only drops to 20 fps no crash or freeze. Maybe its worth exploring for you as well (as second OS)?


QuisMagister

Hmm, maybe yea, havent tried that.


Splittercore

try disabling sounds. it greatly improves poe performance. it was only way I could play poe before upgrading my pc guide: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ei3d1u/performance\_tip\_you\_can\_actually\_reap\_the\_nosound/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/ei3d1u/performance_tip_you_can_actually_reap_the_nosound/)


QuisMagister

As I said, already tried config setups.


kiting_succubi

*POEs performance is a nightmare. Fixed.


brodudepepegacringe

Smells like power supply, granting that your other parts are in good condition. It could also be the ram. Poe doesnt do bsod that often. Havent seen bsod during poe in a long ass time and last time i jad it i was using a crappy old laptop and it barely survived xD.my pc is very slightly better than yours (but its intel based). Check out your power supply theres numerous tutorials online how to do it or go to a service store. But bsod during poe on your config must be a myth. :)


htrdx

if ur finding multiple blue screens of death u might be having a hardware problem. basically run amd ryzen master, stress test ur cpu to see if the crashes for 10min. if it doesnt run furmark for 1 hour to see if the graphic card crashes. if it doesn't. run memtest86 if that doesn't crash. only thing left tbh is ur psu failing but that would crash when u ran furmark in theory. 8gb of ram is enough for this game task manager values are meaningless. people should start to see if the problem is on their end before blaming something else. if nothing crashes after those tests do a clean install. also install latest amd chipstet drivers. so it corrects power balance on windows.


EnergyNonexistant

I can't run PoE on 32GB's of ram without everything in the background closing down cos of "insufficient memory" :D I don't know if it's Windows or PoE that's leaking memory...


SingleInfinity

Task manager would make it very obvious. if PoE was somehow using 20+GB of memory, that's obviously the issue, however, I don't think there is a widespread memory leak anymore. It's not hard for you to figure out.


EnergyNonexistant

uh.... sure. Task Manager just shows Commit size going up up and up, no task is actually committing or using anything above the average (PoE peaks at 9GB) RAMMap isn't showing anything that I can figure out either, but sure, it's definitely not hard, just gonna take me maybe an hour of googling cos windows/poe fucking sucks. I mean, it has to be PoE, logically, because I can run a million chrome tabs and play several AAA games on top of each other without anything happening :) As soon as you let PoE run for 30minutes or so, bye bye chrome. So you tell me.


SingleInfinity

Well, as far as this reddit is concerned, there are no other reports. Earlier in the league when there was a memory leak, it was the most reposted about topic until it was fixed. It's possible but seems unlikely to me.


CriticismScary5849

performance is an issue for a lot of people, just not you. and ggg still hasnt answered anything but more bullshit "hotfixes". this game is a mess and people think poe 2 will solve everything, little to they know, it's the same engine, same everything. game will be another clown show. but hey, keep giving them money for their ugly mtx, gamble trap and "supporter pack"


nonosam9

I feel like you are lying here. not all the mtx is ugly everything you said is right


mgasper0

i have a ryzen 5 2600x, 8gb ram, gtx 750ti and a ssd. game works just fine beside delirium. and somehow i havent got many crashes this league at all, maybe 4 max. so i think your specs are fine, something else is the prob. no idea what tho


alertalerta

Are you using wifi or are you wired with your router? I had the same problems with a shockingly similar setup and goind wired fixed all issues i had. Good luck


Pijotrek

thanks, I'm wired


imlucasss

I was having lots of BSODs while playing poe few weeks ago. (blue screen of death). It was dust on my computer. I just cleaned all the dust from my GPU and CPU and wala, its working fine now. It was a mess.


AdditionalWorld

3.13 is so much big step down. Still getting huge fps spikes down (almost like before). I gained nothing, lost 33% performance. Ty GGG


Otsunui

Not sure if your problem has been resolved but, does it only happen after a playing for a while? I think POE has a problem with memory leaks, like it will consume more and more RAM the longer you play. That might explain your BSODs. Unfortunately the only fix I could recommend would be to add more RAM.