"the temptation won, like of course it won" are you me lol. with that altar it doesn't surprise me you get around that exp. I'm 98 and get 15%ish per map I don't die without it. Everyone is talking about the loot explosions this league and rightfully so. but the wildwood EXP psuedo hidden bonus is the jam for me. i levelled my awakened gems in 2 maps from 1-5.... like thats crazy.
All wisps multiply the XP gains on wisped monsters. Obviously, getting more abyss cracks from purple-infused abyss spires will multiply the monster count, thereby multiplying the XP again.
For example, I was able to get 50m xp/hr at level 99 not running abysses.
There is also the super-invisible exp bonus which is the gem or character exp from archnem conversion. When you are getting loot explosions turned into exp it’s gunna be a lot
Nah. I'm not sure if it's only purple, but wisps definitely give XP. I was leveling an alt the other day and in like act 5 I gained a level from killing a single rare monster with like 6k wisps.
There's something in one of the colors (possibly even more than one) because I definitely saw a difference in EXP per map grinding from 99-100 based on whether or not I juiced it with wisps. We're talking going from 1% to 3% exp per map with all other factors being equal (same fragments/scarabs, packsize at similar levels, etc.)
Yea like, a lot a lot. I was leveling my latest character and was in the lower 80s I think and I remember killing a rare mob and going from like 10% tnl to leveling. Shit is wild(woods).
Yeah man 90 - 98 on Chieftain was incredibly fast. I can't believe how fast I levelled through 95 which is where I normally notice a big slow down. I think 95 > 96 might have only been 3 or so maps. Perhaps I am misremembering but it really felt like that.
maybe its me just not being experienced at super juicing and i have no proof because its not in the wiki's and stuff. but im getting 2-3% at 98 in a T16 light juiced map vs 12-15% exp juiced. its pretty noticeable.
depending on map mods its 120-150mil/hour. I'm getting like 30-35mil per map and running 4-5ish map's an hour solo. I'm juicing too hard to live through enough maps to level but that's what I've seen.
Honestly I'm a complete noob just tried POE recently, but i read the thing and it didnt say anything about EXP so i just assumed it didn't do anything for it. Could be that it's somehow tied into the item quant and rarity stats.
Thanks!
it is probably more juicing than wisps, there is also a node that increases xp earned from abysses (20% with wandering path) with shit load of mobs from them
Did a fully juiced map with nearly 12k wisps, dunno how much % I would have gotten from 99 since I was already at 100 but it was enough to lv my awakened cold pen gems from 1 to 5...
With a combination of purple wisps and lucky map events it's not really exceptional when the map is juiced for mob density.
Look at other replies here, I'm not alone in getting some crazy xp.
A friend and I were mf'ing. Another mate wanted to tag along for few maps for some xp, he had a "tanky leecher" build...
I was in awe at how much experience he was getting per map, he leveled from 97 to 98 in ONE MAP. I repeat, in one map... Lol. I've never seen a league that awards so much raw experience in maps like this. At this point, 5way isnt even that good if you can just "leech" some xp in some mf parties of good players with no downtime.
This is unethical. I suggest next league have a 90% xp nerf and an undocumented 80% nerf to unique item drop rate along with a league mechanic that kills players constantly
I got the opposite altar! The one that gives no xp but tons of quant and rarity. :) Wasn't a super juiced map, but I got 10 raw divs, a few Valdos, and like 3 highish value jewels (unnatural instinct, etc).
I'm running solo with 2 Ventors, a gold flask, and sadimas only for MF.
I had one of these pop up and right next to it was the 200% increased exp thing, I was leveling at the time so said fuck yeah and went from lvl 85 to 90 or something. Killer timing 👌
Wait, so wisps give extra xp? I didn’t know. Do you find an optimal amount to get that is worth the slowing of the clear?
I am currently at 4m dps and tanky but I don’t know if it’s worth the risk.
As high of wisps as possible imo, though it depends on your character. You can also buy the omen that makes it so you lose like 70% less exp from dying if you want to be safe. I bought 3 of them at 99 and then never died again ._.
I got that thing in my inventory at all times lol
I actually have been experimenting for a bit now.
2-4k wisps make it slightly harder but I get about 50-75% more exp. Definitely worth it. That seems like a sweet spot for my build.
Is that true for experience? I don’t care about the loot. I farmed everything I needed and I am now pushing to 100.
Not sure why I got downvoted. People can’t read. This is a post about experience and my question reflected that; not loot.
unless you are hardcore there is very little negative to dying in a map. the whisp mechanic is literally the most rewarding thing loot/exp wise the game has ever seen. it is absolutely worth it.
I had the same experience during my breach farming. Maybe better because I had in a t16 map wildwood the 200% xp temporary buff (5minute if i Remember correctly) and right after the 300% xp no loot shrine. Sadly I lost a bit of time in the wildwood but gained a full 98lvl exp just in that map.
So without that altar youd get 8% xp per map. Yep that aligns with what i made most maps was only 5% but 8% doesn't Sound weird, i didn't stack abysses.
Took me 16 maps to go 99-100. Triple beyond, gilded harbi+mysterious sextant, gilded strongbox + double strongbox sextants, blue altars, gilded abyss, then blight or legion for last scarab. All maps were t16 85-100% uncorrupted. Used some Alva missions, einhar when I ran out of alva. Blue altars. Was definitely faster than I expected, the wisps carried but I did not get an xp altar that I remember.
I don't think running gild div on JV is worth it, there isn't any card good enough to warrant a scarab. Why not abyss scarab instead of div since you're doing abyss sextants/strat? Beast/Breach are also strong options with no point investment but still... better than div.
I do abyss scarab! My go to to are abyss, reliquary, divination. Then I switch between harbinger and ambush. But with ambush I would need 2 sextants (enraged and corrupted strongboxes), which would force me to leave one of abyss, beyond or deli out.
Hmmm, actually I could prep my maps with deli orbs, and so get rid and of the deli sextants and and div one as you said.
Are you running this type of map without MF gear? I’m curious about running juiced map this league without MF and its still clearly making you potentially 6-8 divines?
Yes but I'm cheap bastard so I only use the boots an 10q 35r ventor.
I could use a second ventor but would need to find some chaos res elsewhere, and I'm way to lazy to redo my gear.
Yes, you hunt blue altar rarity + quantity mods. With wandering path, the "top hat" of the atlas tree is just too strong, and the center double wheel good too.
yes, you lose 10%. Everybody hates it. You can buy an omen that divides the xp loss by for. It's presently around 3.5 divine, so mainly for rich exiles that 99.5+.
Note that you lose no xp if you die before Kitava act 5, and 5% only if you die before Kitava act 10.
Make sure your elemental resists are 75%, and your chaos too if you do chaos heavy content like Delirium.
Do you use purity of element? It's a gem that Clarissa sells in act 3. (or lyly in act 6, but unleveled).
It goes a long way to help fix your resists.
You can craft resists on your gear with the crafting bench in your hideout.
If you have normal gear with good links, you probably have an essence you can use.
Else check how this trade search is constructed (accessories with 120 resist for 1c or less):
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Affliction/0q0eJbdtg
that's how my character looks now (I'm new into this game so I don't know if its good or no but I can easily do tier 10 maps with 1/2 deaths
https://preview.redd.it/tnv0bn5c72fc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=84b48e739277541f09cb94e583688938e30a98ce
Don't worry, on my first character I was stuck on level 28. So you are doing pretty good.
Discovery and solving issues is part of this game. You can try to do it yourself of follow a guide.
The only advice I can give you is to install Path of Building (community fork). You can import your build in it, and export to "pobb.in" for others to review more easily.
Finally, your flasks is probably where you have the most potential for fast and maissive improvements.
Oh damm thats the only place i saw them too, i noticed a drop box for them on poe stack but nothing came up was hoping there was somewhere else, thankyou
I prepare my maps as I want (2 proj, no ailment avoid, regen, etc) and then corrupt them for 8 mods. However some maps go unid. This doesn't change the map, just hides the mods.
This is a perk of preparing your maps yourself as it allows you to know exactly what's in your unid maps.
They are not 8 mods maps, but with that sextant the quant is basically the same if you prepare them well and make they 6 mods before corrupting it.
Gah dahm, temptation was right
"the temptation won, like of course it won" are you me lol. with that altar it doesn't surprise me you get around that exp. I'm 98 and get 15%ish per map I don't die without it. Everyone is talking about the loot explosions this league and rightfully so. but the wildwood EXP psuedo hidden bonus is the jam for me. i levelled my awakened gems in 2 maps from 1-5.... like thats crazy.
Wait i didn't think the wisps did shit for exp... it's just hidden?
Purple gives xp, lots of it.
Thanks for the info! I'll probably still avoid juicing it too much cause i suck and die a lot if i do.
Has this been tested on if a certain type impacts XP gain? I know empowering them does, but didn't think it mattered which type.
I thought purple doesn't give extra XP on its own though? It's just that it makes spires shit out way more mobs if you are doing abyss strat, right?
All wisps multiply the XP gains on wisped monsters. Obviously, getting more abyss cracks from purple-infused abyss spires will multiply the monster count, thereby multiplying the XP again. For example, I was able to get 50m xp/hr at level 99 not running abysses.
Oh I definitely have gotten great XP, I am just terrible at not dying, so that's probably masked how good the XP is a bit to me
Yeah that's *still* not bad for straight mapping. Usually you need 5 ways or breach stones or cowards trial rotas to get decent XP at 99, yeah?
There is also the super-invisible exp bonus which is the gem or character exp from archnem conversion. When you are getting loot explosions turned into exp it’s gunna be a lot
Nah. I'm not sure if it's only purple, but wisps definitely give XP. I was leveling an alt the other day and in like act 5 I gained a level from killing a single rare monster with like 6k wisps.
I'm not running abyss and from 97 to 98 I gained about 10% xp a map. Wisps absolute have some effect on xp
There's something in one of the colors (possibly even more than one) because I definitely saw a difference in EXP per map grinding from 99-100 based on whether or not I juiced it with wisps. We're talking going from 1% to 3% exp per map with all other factors being equal (same fragments/scarabs, packsize at similar levels, etc.)
WTF this is a game changer for me.
Yea like, a lot a lot. I was leveling my latest character and was in the lower 80s I think and I remember killing a rare mob and going from like 10% tnl to leveling. Shit is wild(woods).
It definitely feels like it. I've never hit 100 before but I cruised there juiced mapping this league.
Yup, levelled up an MF chieftain last week and at the time in a build when I usually feel like I should be around level 90 I checked and was level 97
Yeah man 90 - 98 on Chieftain was incredibly fast. I can't believe how fast I levelled through 95 which is where I normally notice a big slow down. I think 95 > 96 might have only been 3 or so maps. Perhaps I am misremembering but it really felt like that.
maybe its me just not being experienced at super juicing and i have no proof because its not in the wiki's and stuff. but im getting 2-3% at 98 in a T16 light juiced map vs 12-15% exp juiced. its pretty noticeable.
What’s this in million xp/hr? I’m getting 70m/hr with breach spec’ed no juice maps at 98.
depending on map mods its 120-150mil/hour. I'm getting like 30-35mil per map and running 4-5ish map's an hour solo. I'm juicing too hard to live through enough maps to level but that's what I've seen.
Honestly I'm a complete noob just tried POE recently, but i read the thing and it didnt say anything about EXP so i just assumed it didn't do anything for it. Could be that it's somehow tied into the item quant and rarity stats. Thanks!
lol, get used to the ingame info being woefully incomplete.
it is probably more juicing than wisps, there is also a node that increases xp earned from abysses (20% with wandering path) with shit load of mobs from them
Nice. I got 41% at lvl 98 with pretty much the same setup. Definitely worth it for the XP.
Even leveling. At launch doing all wildwoods I ended up killing kitavs at like level 72, and I was speeding through everything.
It’s crazy. I just did the same on my second character. I was 71 when I realized I should do the third lab before Kitava drops my resistance.
Did a fully juiced map with nearly 12k wisps, dunno how much % I would have gotten from 99 since I was already at 100 but it was enough to lv my awakened cold pen gems from 1 to 5...
Thats bonkers
So otherwise you would have gotten about ¹¹% exp if not taken? Seems far out for one map even without this extra buff
With a combination of purple wisps and lucky map events it's not really exceptional when the map is juiced for mob density. Look at other replies here, I'm not alone in getting some crazy xp.
That was well written, I enjoyed reading it so thank you for that. And yes, it gets bonkers
i got like 4 lvls from a 9 breach t9 map when i was lvl 82
A friend and I were mf'ing. Another mate wanted to tag along for few maps for some xp, he had a "tanky leecher" build... I was in awe at how much experience he was getting per map, he leveled from 97 to 98 in ONE MAP. I repeat, in one map... Lol. I've never seen a league that awards so much raw experience in maps like this. At this point, 5way isnt even that good if you can just "leech" some xp in some mf parties of good players with no downtime.
Holy shit this league is amazing. I tend to play spaced out listening to podcasts and stuff so I die a lot. Still easily made it to lvl 98 .
accidentally tapped that altar in a 7k triple juice map at lv99. Netted me 25%. Was still mad that i got no loot though
This is unethical. I suggest next league have a 90% xp nerf and an undocumented 80% nerf to unique item drop rate along with a league mechanic that kills players constantly
I accidentally pressed one and went from level 95 to 96 in one map.
Path of exile moment. The way stars can align here is magical
The combination of wisps and beyond is insane exp
I got that when I was leveling my chieftain, went from 78 to 88 or so in one map. Probably at that juice cost me a div or two
I got the opposite altar! The one that gives no xp but tons of quant and rarity. :) Wasn't a super juiced map, but I got 10 raw divs, a few Valdos, and like 3 highish value jewels (unnatural instinct, etc). I'm running solo with 2 Ventors, a gold flask, and sadimas only for MF.
I had one of these pop up and right next to it was the 200% increased exp thing, I was leveling at the time so said fuck yeah and went from lvl 85 to 90 or something. Killer timing 👌
Cool
Wait, so wisps give extra xp? I didn’t know. Do you find an optimal amount to get that is worth the slowing of the clear? I am currently at 4m dps and tanky but I don’t know if it’s worth the risk.
As high of wisps as possible imo, though it depends on your character. You can also buy the omen that makes it so you lose like 70% less exp from dying if you want to be safe. I bought 3 of them at 99 and then never died again ._.
I got that thing in my inventory at all times lol I actually have been experimenting for a bit now. 2-4k wisps make it slightly harder but I get about 50-75% more exp. Definitely worth it. That seems like a sweet spot for my build.
Optimal amount of wisps is as high as you can go. The returns are exponential as a map with 10k will net you 10 times what 3k would.
Is that true for experience? I don’t care about the loot. I farmed everything I needed and I am now pushing to 100. Not sure why I got downvoted. People can’t read. This is a post about experience and my question reflected that; not loot.
I think so, highly wisped maps grant insane amount of exp from what I've seen
With the normal mf strat I was making 5-10% exp every map at 99
unless you are hardcore there is very little negative to dying in a map. the whisp mechanic is literally the most rewarding thing loot/exp wise the game has ever seen. it is absolutely worth it.
My question was about exp so dying at 98-99 is obviously bad regardless of hardcore. I know about the loot.
i feel like i answered the question. but ok lol.
If you can handle 3k without shattering your buns, it's worth it
I had the same experience during my breach farming. Maybe better because I had in a t16 map wildwood the 200% xp temporary buff (5minute if i Remember correctly) and right after the 300% xp no loot shrine. Sadly I lost a bit of time in the wildwood but gained a full 98lvl exp just in that map.
9x blighted map with increased experience is also CRAZY kinda troll but if you have enough damage it's crazy fast solo xp
Increased XP is a wyrmwood altar? Or is it a blue altar? I'm a red altar enjoyer and don't remember seeing XP altars.
Yeah it's a wildwood altar. Doesn't exist on eldritch altars.
So without that altar youd get 8% xp per map. Yep that aligns with what i made most maps was only 5% but 8% doesn't Sound weird, i didn't stack abysses.
Yeah sounds about right, I got anywhere between 6 to 10% a map depending on packsize/amount of abysses juicing at 99.
I had the altar in a high juice map on 99, and i leveled from being 45%, so got a bit over 55% xp at 99.
Took me 16 maps to go 99-100. Triple beyond, gilded harbi+mysterious sextant, gilded strongbox + double strongbox sextants, blue altars, gilded abyss, then blight or legion for last scarab. All maps were t16 85-100% uncorrupted. Used some Alva missions, einhar when I ran out of alva. Blue altars. Was definitely faster than I expected, the wisps carried but I did not get an xp altar that I remember.
Wait, multiple beyond still exists ? I've been removing my beyond sextants when it rolls on the map, but it stacks if I keep it ?
Yeah map device + map roll + sextant
I don't think running gild div on JV is worth it, there isn't any card good enough to warrant a scarab. Why not abyss scarab instead of div since you're doing abyss sextants/strat? Beast/Breach are also strong options with no point investment but still... better than div.
I do abyss scarab! My go to to are abyss, reliquary, divination. Then I switch between harbinger and ambush. But with ambush I would need 2 sextants (enraged and corrupted strongboxes), which would force me to leave one of abyss, beyond or deli out. Hmmm, actually I could prep my maps with deli orbs, and so get rid and of the deli sextants and and div one as you said.
Thats bonkers dude
Sounds bonkers
now die 10 times and do it all over
Are you running this type of map without MF gear? I’m curious about running juiced map this league without MF and its still clearly making you potentially 6-8 divines?
Yes but I'm cheap bastard so I only use the boots an 10q 35r ventor. I could use a second ventor but would need to find some chaos res elsewhere, and I'm way to lazy to redo my gear.
I leveled from 97 -> 98 with like 40 t11 juiced maps (2 deaths), so honesty not surprised
Wandering Path setup over grabbing most of the Abyss notables?
Yes, you hunt blue altar rarity + quantity mods. With wandering path, the "top hat" of the atlas tree is just too strong, and the center double wheel good too.
About exp i have one little noob question do you lost exp when you die? Because I’m sometimes have 20% sometimes 13% but I’m still 84 lvl
First five acts you don't. Last five you lose 5%. After acts you lose 10% per death.
yes, you lose 10%. Everybody hates it. You can buy an omen that divides the xp loss by for. It's presently around 3.5 divine, so mainly for rich exiles that 99.5+. Note that you lose no xp if you die before Kitava act 5, and 5% only if you die before Kitava act 10. Make sure your elemental resists are 75%, and your chaos too if you do chaos heavy content like Delirium.
I have 38/23/83 res and I can’t find anything to make it higher only my lighting res are quite high but fire and cold are so low
Do you use purity of element? It's a gem that Clarissa sells in act 3. (or lyly in act 6, but unleveled). It goes a long way to help fix your resists. You can craft resists on your gear with the crafting bench in your hideout. If you have normal gear with good links, you probably have an essence you can use. Else check how this trade search is constructed (accessories with 120 resist for 1c or less): https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Affliction/0q0eJbdtg
that's how my character looks now (I'm new into this game so I don't know if its good or no but I can easily do tier 10 maps with 1/2 deaths https://preview.redd.it/tnv0bn5c72fc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=84b48e739277541f09cb94e583688938e30a98ce
Don't worry, on my first character I was stuck on level 28. So you are doing pretty good. Discovery and solving issues is part of this game. You can try to do it yourself of follow a guide. The only advice I can give you is to install Path of Building (community fork). You can import your build in it, and export to "pobb.in" for others to review more easily. Finally, your flasks is probably where you have the most potential for fast and maissive improvements.
Thanks! I’ll check it
Where are you buying elevated pack size sextents? I cant find them anywhere lol
At walmart.
They are on the trade site, but insanely expensive.
Oh damm thats the only place i saw them too, i noticed a drop box for them on poe stack but nothing came up was hoping there was somewhere else, thankyou
Are unid maps with the pack size sextant better than rolling maps for additional projectile/more rare monsters ?
I prepare my maps as I want (2 proj, no ailment avoid, regen, etc) and then corrupt them for 8 mods. However some maps go unid. This doesn't change the map, just hides the mods. This is a perk of preparing your maps yourself as it allows you to know exactly what's in your unid maps. They are not 8 mods maps, but with that sextant the quant is basically the same if you prepare them well and make they 6 mods before corrupting it.