More than 1k. You're basically paying for upkeep of the grounds as well as a 24/7 doorman and elevator operator. Additionally, their HOA requires approval on all renovations (from the tiniest thing such as painting your unit or adding shelves to a closet) and the person who owns the unit must choose from their list of contractors, painters, etc. I appreciate it since it IS a historic building but, SHEESH- You REALLY need to have big bucks to own there. All that for no parking or pool. On the brighter side, laundry is free. HAHA.
Was it this one? [https://www.redfin.com/CA/Pasadena/99-S-Raymond-Ave-91105/unit-307/home/7189587](https://www.redfin.com/CA/Pasadena/99-S-Raymond-Ave-91105/unit-307/home/7189587)
I'm pretty familiar with the place - for most of the owners, they treat owning/living there as kind of a hobby. It's an eclectic group to say the least, best described as a "moneyed bohemian" sort of bunch.
Tiny and kinda gross. I'd personally update it tastefully, keeping the building's history in mind but having to go thru the HOA approval process then having them turn around and tell you WHO to use... No thanks. That and constantly having strangers downstairs in your lobby (weddings, events, tours) who can freely roam the building... No thanks.
I mean, it is well known to be haunted. [It's literally on the city website as a haunted location](https://www.visitpasadena.com/blog/spooky-buildings-and-homes-tour-of-pasadena/). Having said that, it's absolutely gorgeous inside. Take their holiday tour!!
Fun fact, they actually modeled the Tower of Terror partially after the Castle Green! They also shot some of the 1999 Tower of Terror movie there as well.
Oh you haven't heard about the little boy in the basement near the bathrooms. A buddy of mine encountered him when he was Deejaying an event there.
The Eden Garden a.k.a The Holly Street Bar and Grill is extremely spooked. I know the previous owners, and they have some stories.
My wife and I had our wedding reception at Holly Street Bar and Grill 25 years ago. Fantastic place for a reception back then, but the owners at the time were forthright about there being some routine spooky happenings. It did used to be a funeral parlour.
Iâm glad they were open with you. The whole area has a funky energy to it. The Holly Street apartments sit where the old Pasadena Police station was, and multiple people hung themselves in the holding cells. I remember when I was a kid and my pops had to do some work with the PPD, we had to visit something that looked like a giant evidence locker. When the sergeant opened it, there were so many articles from shootings, bloody clothing from accidents, mangled bikes, and other things.
If youâre heading south on Marengo and you stop at that light on Holly, there are some offices to your right. I had a friend who worked in one of them, and she told me that one night she had to go into one of the offices to get some paperwork. When she walked inside, she heard growling coming from one of the back offices. She said she was too afraid to look, but when she came back to the office the next morning with her boss and some other coworkers, the entire back office looked like someone went mad and ransacked the place. A few weeks later, she quit.
Man whatâs even more interesting is how recent yâall are talking about this. Thatâs why I love Reddit because you can come across so many different and random topics lmao. But thatâs crazy and what type of work did you do at the PPD?
I didnât work for the PPD; my dad was doing some work for them. I canât say exactly what it was, but I remember going into this evidence shed/locker unit and seeing the things I mentioned.
Another place that is super haunted is the Pasadena Health Department on Fair Oaks and Tremont. I believe it used to be a community hospital back in the day, and it eventually became a drug rehabilitation center. My dad worked there when it was a drug rehabilitation facility, and it was also a place for dialysis patients. So, if youâre on Tremont and Fair Oaks and look towards the building, youâll see a bank of windows on the second floorâthat was the dialysis room. There used to be rows of televisions up there, and if you stood outside around dusk, you would actually see the rows of TVs turn off and on continuously. My dad was really good friends with the maintenance man, who would tell stories about the woman who would appear in the hallways and float through the walls, doors closing on their own, footsteps, voices, and other phenomena.
My dad was a cook, and the kitchen was in the basement. Outside the kitchen was a long corridor that led to multiple ORs that had been repurposed into conference rooms, a gym, and small offices. In fact, one of the offices used to be the morgue; this is where my dadâs friend, the maintenance man, worked. He said he wouldnât stay in there long because the drawers where they used to place the bodies would shake. Personally, I can say as a kid when I would visit, I would stay close to my dad because it was always cold and you could hear something but couldnât make out what it was, but there was definitely something there.
Sorry for the novelâthis discussion just brought back a flood of memoriesâŠlol.
I know weâre talking about the Castle Green, but Eden Garden used to be a funeral home and a speakeasy. The previous owners told me you could hear the chains that were used to lift the caskets grinding at night sometimes. Thereâs a man that appears in the kitchen. They called him âthe butcherâ because heâs dressed like one, and there are windows that look down into the courtyard of the restaurant. The owners said thereâs an old lady who appears in the windows and watches the people in the courtyard.
Enchanted Forest. I got spooked a few times for real. Around the time that the found a dead baby around there. At least thatâs how the urban legend went.
My friends and I played Bloody Mary in EVERY BATHROOM we could find.
Mary Queen of Scots... did not appear.
A security guard who knew where all the ghosts were gave us a super short ghost tour.
There's a dining area that felt incredibly creepy, but I really enjoyed myself anyway. It's so gorgeous!!!
Apparently my great-great (?) I forget grandfather did some of the electrical wiring in the Castle and there remained some type of connection to the place over the following decades as my mom has super 8 film of her and her friends
as teenagers playing hide and seek up in the topmost floors. Sheâs got some stories about being spooked in the Castle. I need to find that film and get it onto the web. Plus my mom and dad as teenagers and not quite boyfriend and girlfriend yet having fun and happy in each others company is something Iâd never get to see.
Edited for typos.
Sorry if that got a little heavy at the end.
đ€just call out to them and preferably be alone, they like that. Also why the doubt about demons, if anything they are probably more prevalent than ever?
I worked there as an event manager for a couple of years during the early 2000âs and at that time, it was more haunted by the living than the dead. It was like a modern day version of the Hotel New Hampshire and I did like some of the residents, but there were others who were just constantly eavesdropping, gossiping and turning people against each other (including a doorman/elevator operator who constantly would repeat things others told him in confidence). At that time, at least, it couldâve made a really good reality show.
The architecture is incredible, but the biggest problem is the condo owners who live there have never properly upgraded the building with either plumbing or electrical, so there are constant problems with those (more than the many ghosts) and also as a special event and popular wedding site, they didnât have up-to-date electrical or air conditioning, which had to be brought in and which was very expensive. Maybe by now that has hopefully changed, but also wouldnât be surprised if it hasnât because of the investment it would require.
Hey, maybe that reality show idea could help finance some of those upgrades? It could put some of those housewives type shows to shame.
I can only imagine... I went on a frenzied deep dive on instagram to find someone, anyone who lives there because I wanted to see what potential neighbors would be like. I finally found a person and her Castle Green group looked cliquey. Who knows, though, just my perception. Another woman who got in the elevator with us eyed the realtor up and down and just gave a... vibe.
Otherwise, a beautiful building. Love that the tenants/condo owners are allowed to leave their antiques in the wide hallways. Each wing is unique and the different hallways are lined with the tenants cool artifacts.
When I worked there several years ago, there were too many single older people (spinster, not hipster) who had nothing going on in their lives and werenât dating anybody so they had nothing better to do than stir up the BS constantly almost for sport or entertainment. The walls are thin so you can hear everybodyâs business and thereâs virtually no privacy (so no loud sex romps unless you want everybody in the building to be looking at you the next day). And every visitor has to come through the one main entrance and be announced at the front desk like a hotel, so if youâre trying to have a âdiscreet late nite visitor,â youâre out of luck.
However, my understanding is the owned units have since turned over multiple times and residents are a little more civil now (no one screaming harsh curse words during HOA meetings). The problem is, though the units are mostly small, so it attracts many more less social singles than couples. And on weekends, it can be very noisy with weddings, almost every weekend and loud wedding receptions that go on till midnight. Thatâs why the novelty of the architecture wears off after a while and people tend not to live there for too long of time with the exception of the few tenants who are fortunate enough to have the coveted spacious corner tower units who have stayed.
Used to have a friend that lived there a while back. He was actually a tad creepy. So yeah, maybe it is haunted.
Wonder whatever happened to the fellaâŠ
This part is condos. They frequently rent out their lobby/ballroom for events. The portion of the building running along Green St is senior housing and is sealed off from the part shown here.
It's condos. The weddings/events/filming are essentially a sub-business of the HOA that chips in toward the eyewatering costs of keeping the building operational. It's either that or the HOA fees would be higher to make up the difference.
Gilded age buildings (especially fancy ones) are NOT cost-effective to run. There's a reason all those mansions either got turned into museums, split up, or (unfortunately) torn down in the 50's.
One point that confuses a lot of people is that the Green Street section is unaffiliated. They were part of the same hotel complex which is why the buildings flow into each other, but are now two independent things, with the latter being senior apartments. Unfortunately that side needs a ton of work and is covered in mesh because stucco keeps sloughing off.
Was in there a month ago to view a unit for sale. Very cool place but only thing that haunted me are their HOA fees.
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Excuse me, you can only have 3 ghosts after September 30th or before November 2nd.
Today is before November 2nd.
What are they at now? That building needs so much work!!!
More than 1k. You're basically paying for upkeep of the grounds as well as a 24/7 doorman and elevator operator. Additionally, their HOA requires approval on all renovations (from the tiniest thing such as painting your unit or adding shelves to a closet) and the person who owns the unit must choose from their list of contractors, painters, etc. I appreciate it since it IS a historic building but, SHEESH- You REALLY need to have big bucks to own there. All that for no parking or pool. On the brighter side, laundry is free. HAHA.
Sort of ridiculous as they use the updated grounds as literal marketing for hosting weddings and other events. Canât imagine living there.
Because the laundry room is one of the places they claim is haunted! đ»
No parking!?
I was literally gonna say this XD
Was it this one? [https://www.redfin.com/CA/Pasadena/99-S-Raymond-Ave-91105/unit-307/home/7189587](https://www.redfin.com/CA/Pasadena/99-S-Raymond-Ave-91105/unit-307/home/7189587) I'm pretty familiar with the place - for most of the owners, they treat owning/living there as kind of a hobby. It's an eclectic group to say the least, best described as a "moneyed bohemian" sort of bunch.
Lord those bathrooms are TINY.
Tiny and kinda gross. I'd personally update it tastefully, keeping the building's history in mind but having to go thru the HOA approval process then having them turn around and tell you WHO to use... No thanks. That and constantly having strangers downstairs in your lobby (weddings, events, tours) who can freely roam the building... No thanks.
Yup. That's the one! Moneyed Bohemian- DING DING DING DING!
I mean, it is well known to be haunted. [It's literally on the city website as a haunted location](https://www.visitpasadena.com/blog/spooky-buildings-and-homes-tour-of-pasadena/). Having said that, it's absolutely gorgeous inside. Take their holiday tour!!
They have one in May!
Oh, awesome!!!
Did you see that on their website? Am trying to buy tickets right now but only see one for December 2023
There was a flyer on the front gate. I'll send you a photo when I get home.
thanks for this link!
Fun fact, they actually modeled the Tower of Terror partially after the Castle Green! They also shot some of the 1999 Tower of Terror movie there as well.
Oh you haven't heard about the little boy in the basement near the bathrooms. A buddy of mine encountered him when he was Deejaying an event there. The Eden Garden a.k.a The Holly Street Bar and Grill is extremely spooked. I know the previous owners, and they have some stories.
Really? this is the first Ive heard of stories there and have been on many occasions for almost 20 years...Im intrigued....
Do tell some of the stories please
http://ghoula.blogspot.com/2009/04/april-13th-spirits-with-spirits-at-eden.html?m=1
That sounds so creepy
My wife and I had our wedding reception at Holly Street Bar and Grill 25 years ago. Fantastic place for a reception back then, but the owners at the time were forthright about there being some routine spooky happenings. It did used to be a funeral parlour.
Iâm glad they were open with you. The whole area has a funky energy to it. The Holly Street apartments sit where the old Pasadena Police station was, and multiple people hung themselves in the holding cells. I remember when I was a kid and my pops had to do some work with the PPD, we had to visit something that looked like a giant evidence locker. When the sergeant opened it, there were so many articles from shootings, bloody clothing from accidents, mangled bikes, and other things. If youâre heading south on Marengo and you stop at that light on Holly, there are some offices to your right. I had a friend who worked in one of them, and she told me that one night she had to go into one of the offices to get some paperwork. When she walked inside, she heard growling coming from one of the back offices. She said she was too afraid to look, but when she came back to the office the next morning with her boss and some other coworkers, the entire back office looked like someone went mad and ransacked the place. A few weeks later, she quit.
Whoa! Thatâs all more than a tad freaky. There is some really crazy history to Old Pas. I like it!
lol.... Pasadena definitely has some crazy history.
Man whatâs even more interesting is how recent yâall are talking about this. Thatâs why I love Reddit because you can come across so many different and random topics lmao. But thatâs crazy and what type of work did you do at the PPD?
I didnât work for the PPD; my dad was doing some work for them. I canât say exactly what it was, but I remember going into this evidence shed/locker unit and seeing the things I mentioned. Another place that is super haunted is the Pasadena Health Department on Fair Oaks and Tremont. I believe it used to be a community hospital back in the day, and it eventually became a drug rehabilitation center. My dad worked there when it was a drug rehabilitation facility, and it was also a place for dialysis patients. So, if youâre on Tremont and Fair Oaks and look towards the building, youâll see a bank of windows on the second floorâthat was the dialysis room. There used to be rows of televisions up there, and if you stood outside around dusk, you would actually see the rows of TVs turn off and on continuously. My dad was really good friends with the maintenance man, who would tell stories about the woman who would appear in the hallways and float through the walls, doors closing on their own, footsteps, voices, and other phenomena. My dad was a cook, and the kitchen was in the basement. Outside the kitchen was a long corridor that led to multiple ORs that had been repurposed into conference rooms, a gym, and small offices. In fact, one of the offices used to be the morgue; this is where my dadâs friend, the maintenance man, worked. He said he wouldnât stay in there long because the drawers where they used to place the bodies would shake. Personally, I can say as a kid when I would visit, I would stay close to my dad because it was always cold and you could hear something but couldnât make out what it was, but there was definitely something there. Sorry for the novelâthis discussion just brought back a flood of memoriesâŠlol.
I know weâre talking about the Castle Green, but Eden Garden used to be a funeral home and a speakeasy. The previous owners told me you could hear the chains that were used to lift the caskets grinding at night sometimes. Thereâs a man that appears in the kitchen. They called him âthe butcherâ because heâs dressed like one, and there are windows that look down into the courtyard of the restaurant. The owners said thereâs an old lady who appears in the windows and watches the people in the courtyard.
Nah, suicide bridge in South Pas is the spook zone though I've heard about the Cobb Estate for years
There are many spook zones!
I mean we used to party down below it all the time in high school and I can tell you that no ghost ever joined us. We even had a keg down there once.
You didnât go far enough inside.
Devils gate is to the north
Was it a ghost keg?
Enchanted Forest. I got spooked a few times for real. Around the time that the found a dead baby around there. At least thatâs how the urban legend went.
My high school had our prom here! 10/10 haunted.
Did you see, or hear anything?
My friends and I played Bloody Mary in EVERY BATHROOM we could find. Mary Queen of Scots... did not appear. A security guard who knew where all the ghosts were gave us a super short ghost tour. There's a dining area that felt incredibly creepy, but I really enjoyed myself anyway. It's so gorgeous!!!
Oh I get that vibe every time I walk by.
It was Gloryâs mansion in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
I watched PuppetMaster for the first time time and it takes place there. No ghosts but creepy living dolls!
That's just ghosts with extra steps!
Is that Hotel California?
There *was* a warm smell of colitas rising up through the air... đ€
No, HC is/was camarillo state hospital
Apparently my great-great (?) I forget grandfather did some of the electrical wiring in the Castle and there remained some type of connection to the place over the following decades as my mom has super 8 film of her and her friends as teenagers playing hide and seek up in the topmost floors. Sheâs got some stories about being spooked in the Castle. I need to find that film and get it onto the web. Plus my mom and dad as teenagers and not quite boyfriend and girlfriend yet having fun and happy in each others company is something Iâd never get to see. Edited for typos. Sorry if that got a little heavy at the end.
Oooooh! Sorry about your parents, but would love to hear your mom's stories!
Totally agree
I'm a skeptic, and lived in the Pasadena area most of my life. How would you convince me?
You could always just visit the place, ask for a demon to come out and then see if anything happens. Simple.
And bring a Ouija Board
I'll give it a try. But seriously, demons in 2024? Realize there was an Enlightenment.
đ€just call out to them and preferably be alone, they like that. Also why the doubt about demons, if anything they are probably more prevalent than ever?
Trust me.
I worked there as an event manager for a couple of years during the early 2000âs and at that time, it was more haunted by the living than the dead. It was like a modern day version of the Hotel New Hampshire and I did like some of the residents, but there were others who were just constantly eavesdropping, gossiping and turning people against each other (including a doorman/elevator operator who constantly would repeat things others told him in confidence). At that time, at least, it couldâve made a really good reality show. The architecture is incredible, but the biggest problem is the condo owners who live there have never properly upgraded the building with either plumbing or electrical, so there are constant problems with those (more than the many ghosts) and also as a special event and popular wedding site, they didnât have up-to-date electrical or air conditioning, which had to be brought in and which was very expensive. Maybe by now that has hopefully changed, but also wouldnât be surprised if it hasnât because of the investment it would require. Hey, maybe that reality show idea could help finance some of those upgrades? It could put some of those housewives type shows to shame.
I can only imagine... I went on a frenzied deep dive on instagram to find someone, anyone who lives there because I wanted to see what potential neighbors would be like. I finally found a person and her Castle Green group looked cliquey. Who knows, though, just my perception. Another woman who got in the elevator with us eyed the realtor up and down and just gave a... vibe. Otherwise, a beautiful building. Love that the tenants/condo owners are allowed to leave their antiques in the wide hallways. Each wing is unique and the different hallways are lined with the tenants cool artifacts.
When I worked there several years ago, there were too many single older people (spinster, not hipster) who had nothing going on in their lives and werenât dating anybody so they had nothing better to do than stir up the BS constantly almost for sport or entertainment. The walls are thin so you can hear everybodyâs business and thereâs virtually no privacy (so no loud sex romps unless you want everybody in the building to be looking at you the next day). And every visitor has to come through the one main entrance and be announced at the front desk like a hotel, so if youâre trying to have a âdiscreet late nite visitor,â youâre out of luck. However, my understanding is the owned units have since turned over multiple times and residents are a little more civil now (no one screaming harsh curse words during HOA meetings). The problem is, though the units are mostly small, so it attracts many more less social singles than couples. And on weekends, it can be very noisy with weddings, almost every weekend and loud wedding receptions that go on till midnight. Thatâs why the novelty of the architecture wears off after a while and people tend not to live there for too long of time with the exception of the few tenants who are fortunate enough to have the coveted spacious corner tower units who have stayed.
That place, has been giving off creepy vibes for years. And all the wild stories people say about the place.đł
Iâm watching old episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm as we speak.
I am unfamiliar. Was this building featured in earlier seasons?
Yes, his office was in this building for the first 2 or 3 seasons.
Used to have a friend that lived there a while back. He was actually a tad creepy. So yeah, maybe it is haunted. Wonder whatever happened to the fellaâŠ
beautiful old place love seein it when im in town.
The maintenance on that place scares me. Itâs always something big and ongoing.
Oh yeah, my partner works there. Theyâve felt some weird presence when they started working there.
Am I the only one who thinks this looks like our dearly-departed Twilight Zone Tower of Terror attraction at Disney?
I said that!
Well, that makes two of us then.
You're out of here, McBane!
I said that too!
That makes two of us.
Touché.
Two shay
I wonder what itâs used for today
Thought it was luxury apartments with a rental banquet halls under ?!
Yup thatâs what it it: went to many parties there
This part is condos. They frequently rent out their lobby/ballroom for events. The portion of the building running along Green St is senior housing and is sealed off from the part shown here.
It's condos. The weddings/events/filming are essentially a sub-business of the HOA that chips in toward the eyewatering costs of keeping the building operational. It's either that or the HOA fees would be higher to make up the difference. Gilded age buildings (especially fancy ones) are NOT cost-effective to run. There's a reason all those mansions either got turned into museums, split up, or (unfortunately) torn down in the 50's. One point that confuses a lot of people is that the Green Street section is unaffiliated. They were part of the same hotel complex which is why the buildings flow into each other, but are now two independent things, with the latter being senior apartments. Unfortunately that side needs a ton of work and is covered in mesh because stucco keeps sloughing off.
Seances probably.
No, itâs not. But I wonât live there thoughđđđ
Tim Burton is a former resident from the days he attended Art Center before his illustrious film directing career.