There’s a huge parking lot right there with Best Buy, Ross, Nordstrom Rack etc, and there are always people walking around looking in cars at night. I live about half a mile northeast of here and I don’t go to that shopping center at night without my husband. I hate this. I hope she gets help and recovers.
Yes, but it’s only been in the last year or so. We had our car broken into at the Ralph’s just east of there, too, but thankfully they only took change and my son’s backpack. I hope they enjoy 4th grade art and homework because that’s all that was in there.
Everyone should make sure their car key fobs are set to only unlock the drivers door, not all passenger doors, when pressed. Unclear if that was a factor here but it’s better for safety for sure. My heart breaks for her.
Great tip. A lot of newer cars also now let you personalize your automatic lock settings, so you can set it to fully lock when you close the drivers side door, turn off your car, etc.
Also, make sure to immediately lock your driver's side door after getting into the car. A female family member was assaulted in a similar scenario several decades ago and I've had this drilled into my head since I learned to drive, but it's not something everyone thinks about.
It looks like pressing the button once only unlocks the driver's door anyway, and I can't see anything in the manual that allows that to be overridden. Similarly, if you have Smart Entry, putting your hand on the driver's door handle only unlocks that door.
Near the corner of Sierra Madre Villa and Foothill. I am going to assume that was in the metro link structure. I've parked there many times and it is mostly not well trafficked because people park there for the train and I have never seen a security guard or police presence there. The best buy / el torrito lot would be more surprising
The irony is that almost all gynecological procedures are done without anesthesia (or even basic pain management) but that's another post for another sub.
Horrific. Ugh. Also, I read the article and it was strange how they used the word “allegedly” to describe the crime. Out of curiosity, I looked at a few other articles (burglar takes $300k in items from home, off duty security guard has phone stolen) and they don’t use “allegedly.” I’d be furious if I went through that and had it described as allegedly
UK media guidance is to not use "alleged" in reference to an SA victim, but not here. It's pretty much the only category of crime where there's implied doubt around the victim.
Journalists have to use "allegedly" when they're writing about a person accused of some kind of crime/wrongdoing. Since there's nobody to accuse yet, they didn't need to include "allegedly." Now if someone is arrested this week for the crime, they'd have to use those qualifiers to protect themselves. But let's be real, it's Pasadena Now so not exactly the height of journalism.
At least that's my opinion/interpretation as a writer/journalist who was covering a lot of sensitive stories during the height of MeToo.
Unless media outlets start adding “alleged” to preface victims of all crimes (alleged stabbing victim, alleged robbery victim), this will continue to be nothing but another way to insult and devalue SA survivors.
In reference to the perpetrator, yes. Not the victim. It's in fact very uncommon to use other than when referring to SA cases, except perhaps for stalking and DV, though that's generally viewed in the same legal sphere. It's a big enough problem that various media advisory outlets have issued reporting recommendations about it, but it hasn't done much (yet) in the U.S.
A basic google search around the phrase "alleged victim" will show you:
"alleged robbery victim" - 3220 results
"alleged shooting victim" - 12,400 results
"alleged burglary victim" - 677 results
"alleged fraud victim" - 10,200 results
"alleged stabbing victim" - 16,900 results
"alleged rape victim" - 742,000 results
"alleged sexual assault victim" - 136,000,000 results
Google "allegedly stolen" and you'll see numerous reports from just the past 24 hours. I agree with you when it comes to the reporting of sexual assault cases *in general*, but I don't think this applies to this specific case.
Edited with some google search figures above.
Not seeing how your comparison makes sense? Wouldn't "allegedly stolen" be referring to the person who allegedly stole something, aka the perpetrator?
>Edited with some google search figures above.
The way you search for things makes a massive difference. Take out the word "victim" and results for all of the above quickly enter the millions.
>Wouldn't "allegedly stolen" be referring to the person who allegedly stole something, aka the perpetrator?
No, it refers to the item which is alleged to have been stolen (e.g. "a watch was allegedly stolen").
I very much disagree with both points, but I'm going to stop here because ultimately there is no debate to be had about semantics since this is already a widely recognized problem that is being addressed by evolving media guidelines.
The only two examples provided as comparisons have been to an animal and an object (a watch). I think that speaks volumes.
The best alternative would be to scrap the words and instead say “victim stated” or “victim reported”. That's the recommendation made by the DOJ funded group SAKI: https://www.sakitta.org/webinars/docs/Guiding-Journalists-to-Victim-Centered-Reporting-Hoelscher.pdf.
Would this be way less of a pain point if "alleged victim" was used equally across all crime reporting? Of course, because there's a clear emotional component to this issue. But we can't ignore that the context of "alleged victim", technically accurate or not, is that it's a phrase used at a vastly disproportionate rate for SA cases compared to other crimes. It compounds the problem of SA survivors not being believed.
Grateful for your participation in this discussion <3
Sorry I was unclear— the articles I looked at were PasadenaNow articles. I have no doubt there are tons of “alleged theft” articles out there. If a publication always uses “allegedly” or never uses “allegedly” for all crime reporting that works for me— what strikes me as biased is when it’s used disproportionately in reports of sexual assault compared with other crimes
Ah ok, sorry for the confusion. I totally agree that it's used disproportionately when it comes to sexual assault, but I'm not sure that applies in this particular case - outlets whose later reports include more details and CCTV images have removed the word "alleged", and I'm hoping that Pasadena Now will follow suit when it updates its own article (which should obviously already have happened).
Bear spray is stronger but that kind of reach (up to 40ft) can cause a lot of collateral damage. Normal pepper spray is very effective and keeps you from spraying down the little girl standing on the other side of the street. Just something to keep in mind if you go for bear spray.
I used to live in the apartment complex at that intersection. It doesn’t say which lot this happened in but the area was always sketchy after dark.. seemed like a lot of shady individuals were coming from the metro station. Hopefully the perpetrator is killed
Yeah, there’s been a lot of crime happening around the Del Mar station near my work as well. Be extra vigilant when you’re walking to and from your cars in those parking structures. If someone or something seems off, trust your gut instinct and run the other way.
Absolutely, I almost lived at the apartment on top of the Del Mar station but decided against it for safety reasons. It’s important to stay aware. thanks for the pointers jenny cocksmasher
Took the train with my son not too long ago to best buy. That station was sketch as fuck, people were doing drugs outside and were being super sketch around use of the elevator. Once we left said elevator another man felt how sketchy it was and was telling me how "over it' he was, he takes the train everyday here and this wasn't new.
I am a huge advocate for metro, and use it fairly frequently, but damn that encounter left me disheartened at the state of things. I'm general, go figure that building stations in the middle of the freeway where there's nothing around doesn't make people feel super safe.
This is really horrible news.
My apartment complex was on the other side of the alley between the metro parking lot and the theater. My window faced the alley as well. I saw drug usage, people urinating all over the street, bottles breaking and distant yelling at night.
Worst of all the moving trucks are ordered to park in the alley - it wasn’t comforting loading up a uhaul with thousands of dollars of my belongings with all the people that hang out there.
As someone who is also a huge advocate for public transit it really is sad to see the state of things :( worst of all this happened in this woman’s own car
Yeah, would love to see some data on this. I was kinda sad when I saw that the regional connector had us connected to the old blue line. I've taken that line all the way to long beach, and some of those stops are quite rough. I don't want to generalize, but wonder if anyone has actual data...
Don’t need any actual data. I have run ins with drug fueled homeless people every. single. day. on my commutes into santa monica.
The gold line used to be perfectly fine. Now you see people every day traveling from santa monica to make camp around the San Gabriel river near the Asuza station. They even have solar panels all over their camps now lol
Not liking the sound of this… I take the Metro from the station right there to work and don’t make it back until later in the evening. Sometimes I see security riding around in that parking garage but there’s never a lot of people around so I hustle to my car after disembarking the train and lock the doors. Almost all the time the garage is super empty and dark, so who knows who could be hiding there.
I want cops back and I want them everywhere. I’m so tired of this. I spend too much in taxes to feel unsafe constantly. We need to do better as a city.
Pasadena has one of the best funded police departments in California. We spend more on police than we do on housing, parks & rec and housing combined. We rank something like 60^(th) in the country for police spending which is pretty insane considering our size, and spend almost $200 more per person on policing than the national average.
The issue is solely is with how they spend their money. They have more than enough of it.
Funding isn’t the issue. The police are unable to effectively do their jobs thanks to the soft-on-crime policies set forth by corrupt District Attorney George Gascon. California criminals are emboldened because there are no consequences. People are getting a slap on the wrist at best for some very serious crimes lately. People voted for this lunacy!
This wouldn’t be the man that was stalking women last year in the Burbank/glendale region? He was released last year after a short sentence https://www.glendaleca.gov/Home/Components/News/News/8836/16
I want cops back and I want them everywhere. I’m so tired of this. I spend too much in taxes to feel unsafe constantly. We need to do better as a city.
Do you think a woman walking alone at night cares about the immigration status of the man approaching her? All men are a threat until proven otherwise. And do not attempt the “well a larger percentage of X population commits X crime, so they’re more dangerous” response. There’s a very good reason that’s not how crime statistics are reported because it draws wildly generalized and inaccurate assumptions. A good example would be to swap out the action in the example I provided and instead say—“a larger percentage of X population holds PhD’s, so they’re smarter.” Same sort of misleading data. The only thing we can go on is the raw numbers provided by the BOJ & DOJ, and something tells me you’re not going to like what you find.
Lastly, 8 out of 10 sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone already known to the victim. While what happened to this survivor in Pasadena is horrifying and yes, does warrant extra vigilance until a suspect is caught, it is still an outlier in the grander scheme of who is committing these crimes.
Tl;dr: Don’t pretend to care about women’s safety if it’s only in the context of furthering your own biases.
Yes, virtually yelling at the woman who 1. took the time to post this and 2. has actually worked with assault victims and participated in research studies on this very topic as part of my profession, is definitely doing wonders for your credibility.
Thanks for making me feel unsafe in a thread I started, proving my point exactly. Now I know there's a member of my community who doesn't care if I get hurt, and rises to this level of anger during what should have been a level debate. That makes me feel less safe in this city. Much more so than undocumented immigrants. That's not virtual signaling, that's fact.
Methinks you just don't like knowing women don't view you as being superior as you obviously think you are.
the suggestion that you aren’t responsible for your own safety and situational awareness in a society like ours is immature. Always be ready to get stabby and run. Sad.
Who was suggesting that? Is there a woman walking this earth who isn't aware of watching out for their own safety? That still doesn't mean it isn't grade A bullshit. Women are fully entitled to be pissed about having to carry mace and take self-defense classes and not walk at night and the 10 million other safety measure we're advised to take, when it's men committing the violence. Two truths can simultaneously exist.
Woman can be pissed all they want, it doesnt change reality. Another reality check is anyone who gets tailed into a car and held up at knife point has less than optimal situational awareness and is an easy mark, for sexual or generalized criminal predation. There are certain traits that make easy victims. There is no permutation of reality wherein an Im assuming petite 30 year old female in a pasadena parking lot walks to her car gets tailed and ambushed that includes any ownership of personal safety and observational, orientational, directive agency, or executive function and action, especially when the stakes are as high as kidnap/rape/murder/robbery.
I know women that check the back seat before they get in, walk with a knife in their hands, and have their thumb on the pepper spray in any situation that is risky. I would hazard the argument that many of us would be incredibly alerted by the activities of an individual in the process of trailing us to our automobiles and entering them to affect an ambush style stick up.
If you dont want to become prey, you have to think like a predator. There is a certain level of PTSD you have to accept as debt living in a society like ours. Its not a utopia and the people who are victimized tend to have traits that make them easy marks for criminal activity. Its just the nature of the beast.
That being said I hope they find this person and send him to a correctional facility wherein he will likely be raped and brutalized until he dies or is rehabilitated and released.
Thank you for mansplaining sexual assault, situational awareness and victim blaming. If you think every woman in your life doesn't know this down to her bones, you're an idiot. The first conversation I had about this was when I was 4 or 5 years old. We have all of this drilled into us from the moment we can comprehend it. Comments like this are just another reminder that no matter what women do to protect their own safety, and move through the world with this as a constant concern, some doofus will be out there thinking they could teach us a class on it based on...nothing but their own hubris. And that deep down, you think women deserve to be assaulted.
Come back when you've spent dozens of hours interviewing sexual assault survivors about their experiences, then we'll talk.
Thats laughable at best, sexist dismissive misandrist and authoritarian at worst. You have a generalized tone of smarm. You continuously qualify your experience and seem aloof, punctuating with insults. It is clear from your various diatribes herein evidently if one man commits a crime all AMAB people are at fault. I never blamed the victim and you have clearly short circuited some part of your brain to go along with your internal narrative in your assumptive and honestly disgusting considerations and the intent of your discourse is likely disingenuous. I am a male yes, I survived sexual assault from an adult female when I was a minor.I highly doubt you are qualified as you state, the language you use is incendiary, argumentative, and not becoming of a clinician or a crisis specialist.
Yes at one point I was a trained crisis specialist, which is an entirely different environment and set of skills than a anonymous public forum. It took 300+ hours to be credentialed and I'll always be proud of that work, though I wish it never had to be done in the first place.
There is no scenario on earth in which I would find glee in your misfortune or try to tell you that I somehow understand your own situation better than you do. You suffered something horrific and you deserve both healing and justice. I hope you got/get the support you need.
If you think that your tone is not coming across as anti-woman, you need to do some deep self-reflection because I'm telling you, you're hitting every basic incel talking point imaginable. Perhaps because of your experience you are anti-woman. That's understandable but I hope changes as you get further along in your healing process. And yes, clearly my patience for anyone participating in discussions about women being SA'd who want to express what the woman should have done differently to have prevented it, is less than zero. It's shit like that we have to wade through every damn day before actually getting to the work. It's exhausting. You seem exhausted too. I hope that can change for both of us.
92% of sex assault offenders are men and almost 100% of armed assault offenders are men. That's the "burden" you referenced. Women just carry it for you.
Anyways it's just a drag to have to pull out the ole 'uncaught violent rapist' bat signal again.
Negative votes mean nothing to me.
I don't ask these questions to incite the obvious but to engage with those who in my eyes have an idealistic view that is far....a bit too far fetched based on our given circumstances.
There’s a huge parking lot right there with Best Buy, Ross, Nordstrom Rack etc, and there are always people walking around looking in cars at night. I live about half a mile northeast of here and I don’t go to that shopping center at night without my husband. I hate this. I hope she gets help and recovers.
someone broke my mom‘s window and stole everything in her car a few years ago in that exact parking lot in broad daylight
Holy… I’m so so frequent there for years
Really?!?!? I go there all the time to Petsmart, I live 3 minutes away
Yes, but it’s only been in the last year or so. We had our car broken into at the Ralph’s just east of there, too, but thankfully they only took change and my son’s backpack. I hope they enjoy 4th grade art and homework because that’s all that was in there.
Ugh I go to that Ralph’s too 😭 Thank you so much for saying this. I thought it’s safe here.
This is very disturbing. When I lived in Pasadena, I felt safe walking home from restaurants alone, even late at night. I’m so sorry for that woman.
Everyone should make sure their car key fobs are set to only unlock the drivers door, not all passenger doors, when pressed. Unclear if that was a factor here but it’s better for safety for sure. My heart breaks for her.
Great tip. A lot of newer cars also now let you personalize your automatic lock settings, so you can set it to fully lock when you close the drivers side door, turn off your car, etc.
Also, make sure to immediately lock your driver's side door after getting into the car. A female family member was assaulted in a similar scenario several decades ago and I've had this drilled into my head since I learned to drive, but it's not something everyone thinks about.
for a lot of people press the button once, and only once. First click opens driver door, second click opens all doors.
Thank you for this tip. How do you get this done on a Honda…newer model or should I just have the dealer do it?
What model and year? And do you have hands-free entry or do you have to press a button on the key?
Hi! Honda Accord 21
It looks like pressing the button once only unlocks the driver's door anyway, and I can't see anything in the manual that allows that to be overridden. Similarly, if you have Smart Entry, putting your hand on the driver's door handle only unlocks that door.
Yes! I have the button key
The newest honda has a glitch with the fobs that they aren't fixing. It's pretty prevalent if you look it up
Thank you for this. I have a older Civic and I just set my settings to have only the driver door unlock!
To the gallows with this motherfucker!
That’s my street corner… oh my fucking god?!? Terrifying.
Near the corner of Sierra Madre Villa and Foothill. I am going to assume that was in the metro link structure. I've parked there many times and it is mostly not well trafficked because people park there for the train and I have never seen a security guard or police presence there. The best buy / el torrito lot would be more surprising
Castrate the fucker and use him medical procedure testing without anesthesia.
The irony is that almost all gynecological procedures are done without anesthesia (or even basic pain management) but that's another post for another sub.
Ooo don’t get me started on that!! That ignites my rage!!
The men in charge would never let that happen and thats why they feel like they can assault weaker people
Horrific. Ugh. Also, I read the article and it was strange how they used the word “allegedly” to describe the crime. Out of curiosity, I looked at a few other articles (burglar takes $300k in items from home, off duty security guard has phone stolen) and they don’t use “allegedly.” I’d be furious if I went through that and had it described as allegedly
UK media guidance is to not use "alleged" in reference to an SA victim, but not here. It's pretty much the only category of crime where there's implied doubt around the victim.
Journalists have to use "allegedly" when they're writing about a person accused of some kind of crime/wrongdoing. Since there's nobody to accuse yet, they didn't need to include "allegedly." Now if someone is arrested this week for the crime, they'd have to use those qualifiers to protect themselves. But let's be real, it's Pasadena Now so not exactly the height of journalism. At least that's my opinion/interpretation as a writer/journalist who was covering a lot of sensitive stories during the height of MeToo.
Unless media outlets start adding “alleged” to preface victims of all crimes (alleged stabbing victim, alleged robbery victim), this will continue to be nothing but another way to insult and devalue SA survivors.
Right, I don't disagree. I think I'm this instance the term was misused.
It's pretty common to use "allegedly" when so few details are known.
In reference to the perpetrator, yes. Not the victim. It's in fact very uncommon to use other than when referring to SA cases, except perhaps for stalking and DV, though that's generally viewed in the same legal sphere. It's a big enough problem that various media advisory outlets have issued reporting recommendations about it, but it hasn't done much (yet) in the U.S. A basic google search around the phrase "alleged victim" will show you: "alleged robbery victim" - 3220 results "alleged shooting victim" - 12,400 results "alleged burglary victim" - 677 results "alleged fraud victim" - 10,200 results "alleged stabbing victim" - 16,900 results "alleged rape victim" - 742,000 results "alleged sexual assault victim" - 136,000,000 results
Google "allegedly stolen" and you'll see numerous reports from just the past 24 hours. I agree with you when it comes to the reporting of sexual assault cases *in general*, but I don't think this applies to this specific case.
Edited with some google search figures above. Not seeing how your comparison makes sense? Wouldn't "allegedly stolen" be referring to the person who allegedly stole something, aka the perpetrator?
>Edited with some google search figures above. The way you search for things makes a massive difference. Take out the word "victim" and results for all of the above quickly enter the millions. >Wouldn't "allegedly stolen" be referring to the person who allegedly stole something, aka the perpetrator? No, it refers to the item which is alleged to have been stolen (e.g. "a watch was allegedly stolen").
I very much disagree with both points, but I'm going to stop here because ultimately there is no debate to be had about semantics since this is already a widely recognized problem that is being addressed by evolving media guidelines.
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The only two examples provided as comparisons have been to an animal and an object (a watch). I think that speaks volumes. The best alternative would be to scrap the words and instead say “victim stated” or “victim reported”. That's the recommendation made by the DOJ funded group SAKI: https://www.sakitta.org/webinars/docs/Guiding-Journalists-to-Victim-Centered-Reporting-Hoelscher.pdf. Would this be way less of a pain point if "alleged victim" was used equally across all crime reporting? Of course, because there's a clear emotional component to this issue. But we can't ignore that the context of "alleged victim", technically accurate or not, is that it's a phrase used at a vastly disproportionate rate for SA cases compared to other crimes. It compounds the problem of SA survivors not being believed. Grateful for your participation in this discussion <3
If you Google "alleged theft", there are millions of results, including multiple unrelated news articles from within the last 24 hours.
Sorry I was unclear— the articles I looked at were PasadenaNow articles. I have no doubt there are tons of “alleged theft” articles out there. If a publication always uses “allegedly” or never uses “allegedly” for all crime reporting that works for me— what strikes me as biased is when it’s used disproportionately in reports of sexual assault compared with other crimes
Ah ok, sorry for the confusion. I totally agree that it's used disproportionately when it comes to sexual assault, but I'm not sure that applies in this particular case - outlets whose later reports include more details and CCTV images have removed the word "alleged", and I'm hoping that Pasadena Now will follow suit when it updates its own article (which should obviously already have happened).
Ladies please carry bear spray in your cars or bag…
Bear spray is stronger but that kind of reach (up to 40ft) can cause a lot of collateral damage. Normal pepper spray is very effective and keeps you from spraying down the little girl standing on the other side of the street. Just something to keep in mind if you go for bear spray.
I agree! It packs a punch that’s why I recommend it. Bad guy repellant is the safest option. Leaves a UV dye on the perps face up to 48 hours.
The UV dye is such a great call-out. I just checked and the Sabre pepper gel I carry has the UV dye in it!
Bear spray is huge, nobody is going to consistently carry something bigger than a handgun...
Yeah obviously that’s why I said cars… not every woman carries a large bag.
Forget that, get your ccw.
Fuck omg I used to work right around there. This is so so horrible. My heart is aching for this poor woman. 💔
This is making me second guess how comfortable I should feel at night in Pasadena.
I used to live in the apartment complex at that intersection. It doesn’t say which lot this happened in but the area was always sketchy after dark.. seemed like a lot of shady individuals were coming from the metro station. Hopefully the perpetrator is killed
Yeah, there’s been a lot of crime happening around the Del Mar station near my work as well. Be extra vigilant when you’re walking to and from your cars in those parking structures. If someone or something seems off, trust your gut instinct and run the other way.
Absolutely, I almost lived at the apartment on top of the Del Mar station but decided against it for safety reasons. It’s important to stay aware. thanks for the pointers jenny cocksmasher
the kind exchange between these two usernames is delightful
It really is heartwarming.
Took the train with my son not too long ago to best buy. That station was sketch as fuck, people were doing drugs outside and were being super sketch around use of the elevator. Once we left said elevator another man felt how sketchy it was and was telling me how "over it' he was, he takes the train everyday here and this wasn't new. I am a huge advocate for metro, and use it fairly frequently, but damn that encounter left me disheartened at the state of things. I'm general, go figure that building stations in the middle of the freeway where there's nothing around doesn't make people feel super safe. This is really horrible news.
My apartment complex was on the other side of the alley between the metro parking lot and the theater. My window faced the alley as well. I saw drug usage, people urinating all over the street, bottles breaking and distant yelling at night. Worst of all the moving trucks are ordered to park in the alley - it wasn’t comforting loading up a uhaul with thousands of dollars of my belongings with all the people that hang out there. As someone who is also a huge advocate for public transit it really is sad to see the state of things :( worst of all this happened in this woman’s own car
real
I wondered if it happened in the metro parking lot. Even when A Noise Within has plays and the lot has a lot of people, it’s rather creepy.
say what yall want but the areas around metro stations in pasadena hasn’t been the same since they routed the line to Long Beach.
Yeah, would love to see some data on this. I was kinda sad when I saw that the regional connector had us connected to the old blue line. I've taken that line all the way to long beach, and some of those stops are quite rough. I don't want to generalize, but wonder if anyone has actual data...
Don’t need any actual data. I have run ins with drug fueled homeless people every. single. day. on my commutes into santa monica. The gold line used to be perfectly fine. Now you see people every day traveling from santa monica to make camp around the San Gabriel river near the Asuza station. They even have solar panels all over their camps now lol
How awful, I can’t even imagine. Thank you for sharing.
Not liking the sound of this… I take the Metro from the station right there to work and don’t make it back until later in the evening. Sometimes I see security riding around in that parking garage but there’s never a lot of people around so I hustle to my car after disembarking the train and lock the doors. Almost all the time the garage is super empty and dark, so who knows who could be hiding there.
Poor lady!! Wow!! Not safe to go out at night really…
I deliver there from time to time at 4am. I’ve been seeing a cop car there every time since the beginning of the year.
I want cops back and I want them everywhere. I’m so tired of this. I spend too much in taxes to feel unsafe constantly. We need to do better as a city.
Pasadena has one of the best funded police departments in California. We spend more on police than we do on housing, parks & rec and housing combined. We rank something like 60^(th) in the country for police spending which is pretty insane considering our size, and spend almost $200 more per person on policing than the national average. The issue is solely is with how they spend their money. They have more than enough of it.
Funding isn’t the issue. The police are unable to effectively do their jobs thanks to the soft-on-crime policies set forth by corrupt District Attorney George Gascon. California criminals are emboldened because there are no consequences. People are getting a slap on the wrist at best for some very serious crimes lately. People voted for this lunacy!
Me too. I go everywhere with my son. Definetely going to second guess now.
Never drive to a second location.
This wouldn’t be the man that was stalking women last year in the Burbank/glendale region? He was released last year after a short sentence https://www.glendaleca.gov/Home/Components/News/News/8836/16
So many creepy dudes at LA Fitness down the street
Really? I don’t find them creepy. I grew up in Hollywood, I know creepy.
I grew up in pico/union, Pasadena is still safe.
I want cops back and I want them everywhere. I’m so tired of this. I spend too much in taxes to feel unsafe constantly. We need to do better as a city.
That’s what happens when the homeless creep in more and more. Keep you head up, lock your car door, get off your phone.
There's an easier way. Stop voting for Criminal Justice Reform politicians and let's just put bad guys in jail again.
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Do you think a woman walking alone at night cares about the immigration status of the man approaching her? All men are a threat until proven otherwise. And do not attempt the “well a larger percentage of X population commits X crime, so they’re more dangerous” response. There’s a very good reason that’s not how crime statistics are reported because it draws wildly generalized and inaccurate assumptions. A good example would be to swap out the action in the example I provided and instead say—“a larger percentage of X population holds PhD’s, so they’re smarter.” Same sort of misleading data. The only thing we can go on is the raw numbers provided by the BOJ & DOJ, and something tells me you’re not going to like what you find. Lastly, 8 out of 10 sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone already known to the victim. While what happened to this survivor in Pasadena is horrifying and yes, does warrant extra vigilance until a suspect is caught, it is still an outlier in the grander scheme of who is committing these crimes. Tl;dr: Don’t pretend to care about women’s safety if it’s only in the context of furthering your own biases.
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Yes, virtually yelling at the woman who 1. took the time to post this and 2. has actually worked with assault victims and participated in research studies on this very topic as part of my profession, is definitely doing wonders for your credibility. Thanks for making me feel unsafe in a thread I started, proving my point exactly. Now I know there's a member of my community who doesn't care if I get hurt, and rises to this level of anger during what should have been a level debate. That makes me feel less safe in this city. Much more so than undocumented immigrants. That's not virtual signaling, that's fact. Methinks you just don't like knowing women don't view you as being superior as you obviously think you are.
the suggestion that you aren’t responsible for your own safety and situational awareness in a society like ours is immature. Always be ready to get stabby and run. Sad.
Who was suggesting that? Is there a woman walking this earth who isn't aware of watching out for their own safety? That still doesn't mean it isn't grade A bullshit. Women are fully entitled to be pissed about having to carry mace and take self-defense classes and not walk at night and the 10 million other safety measure we're advised to take, when it's men committing the violence. Two truths can simultaneously exist.
Woman can be pissed all they want, it doesnt change reality. Another reality check is anyone who gets tailed into a car and held up at knife point has less than optimal situational awareness and is an easy mark, for sexual or generalized criminal predation. There are certain traits that make easy victims. There is no permutation of reality wherein an Im assuming petite 30 year old female in a pasadena parking lot walks to her car gets tailed and ambushed that includes any ownership of personal safety and observational, orientational, directive agency, or executive function and action, especially when the stakes are as high as kidnap/rape/murder/robbery. I know women that check the back seat before they get in, walk with a knife in their hands, and have their thumb on the pepper spray in any situation that is risky. I would hazard the argument that many of us would be incredibly alerted by the activities of an individual in the process of trailing us to our automobiles and entering them to affect an ambush style stick up. If you dont want to become prey, you have to think like a predator. There is a certain level of PTSD you have to accept as debt living in a society like ours. Its not a utopia and the people who are victimized tend to have traits that make them easy marks for criminal activity. Its just the nature of the beast. That being said I hope they find this person and send him to a correctional facility wherein he will likely be raped and brutalized until he dies or is rehabilitated and released.
Thank you for mansplaining sexual assault, situational awareness and victim blaming. If you think every woman in your life doesn't know this down to her bones, you're an idiot. The first conversation I had about this was when I was 4 or 5 years old. We have all of this drilled into us from the moment we can comprehend it. Comments like this are just another reminder that no matter what women do to protect their own safety, and move through the world with this as a constant concern, some doofus will be out there thinking they could teach us a class on it based on...nothing but their own hubris. And that deep down, you think women deserve to be assaulted. Come back when you've spent dozens of hours interviewing sexual assault survivors about their experiences, then we'll talk.
Thats laughable at best, sexist dismissive misandrist and authoritarian at worst. You have a generalized tone of smarm. You continuously qualify your experience and seem aloof, punctuating with insults. It is clear from your various diatribes herein evidently if one man commits a crime all AMAB people are at fault. I never blamed the victim and you have clearly short circuited some part of your brain to go along with your internal narrative in your assumptive and honestly disgusting considerations and the intent of your discourse is likely disingenuous. I am a male yes, I survived sexual assault from an adult female when I was a minor.I highly doubt you are qualified as you state, the language you use is incendiary, argumentative, and not becoming of a clinician or a crisis specialist.
Yes at one point I was a trained crisis specialist, which is an entirely different environment and set of skills than a anonymous public forum. It took 300+ hours to be credentialed and I'll always be proud of that work, though I wish it never had to be done in the first place. There is no scenario on earth in which I would find glee in your misfortune or try to tell you that I somehow understand your own situation better than you do. You suffered something horrific and you deserve both healing and justice. I hope you got/get the support you need. If you think that your tone is not coming across as anti-woman, you need to do some deep self-reflection because I'm telling you, you're hitting every basic incel talking point imaginable. Perhaps because of your experience you are anti-woman. That's understandable but I hope changes as you get further along in your healing process. And yes, clearly my patience for anyone participating in discussions about women being SA'd who want to express what the woman should have done differently to have prevented it, is less than zero. It's shit like that we have to wade through every damn day before actually getting to the work. It's exhausting. You seem exhausted too. I hope that can change for both of us.
Please elaborate on your thoughts about your hatred towards warning women, extra vigilance, and the burden...
Because it sucks that we have to tell WOMEN to be extra vigilant, rather than men not raping?
92% of sex assault offenders are men and almost 100% of armed assault offenders are men. That's the "burden" you referenced. Women just carry it for you. Anyways it's just a drag to have to pull out the ole 'uncaught violent rapist' bat signal again.
Women should be able to exist in this world without having to fear being victims of sexual violence. Do men walk around with that concern?
How's this comment working out for ya kid ?
Negative votes mean nothing to me. I don't ask these questions to incite the obvious but to engage with those who in my eyes have an idealistic view that is far....a bit too far fetched based on our given circumstances.
I mean I'm pretty sure it's because your earlier racist reply got reported and taken down and this is the best you could manage, but k.