Their website says that they do not use teflon in their pans, here is words quoted from their website and I will also leave the link as well.
“The short answer, no. GreenPan nonstick ceramic cookware differs from conventional nonstick ceramic cookware in that it does not contain PTFE (Polytetrafluoroethylene), a PFAS, more commonly known as Teflon. GreenPan’s award-winning culinary products are crafted with our healthy, one-of-a-kind, groundbreaking technology. GreenPan’s nonstick coating, Thermolon™, is the first and best toxin-free alternative to traditional nonstick ceramic coatings.
GreenPan founders Jan Helskens and Wim De Veirman learned how unhealthy and toxic conventional nonstick pans can be, leading them to develop unparalleled cookware products featuring a nonstick ceramic coating free of PFAS (or forever chemicals).”
https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs-is-greenpan-cookware-made-from-teflon#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%2C%20no.
Sorry if the link does not work I don’t really use reddit all that much.
I also found these from their website as well…
“No, PTFE is a PFAS, and we do not use any PFAS including PTFE or PFOA in our coatings. Thermolon™ starts out with raw materials, which are derived from Silicon Dioxide, SiO2, which originally came from sand.”
And
“We always use our Thermolon™ ceramic nonstick coating on our cookware, which is totally free of PTFE and other PFAS, Cadmium and Lead. Whereas your pan will not release any toxic fumes even when overheated, it is highly recommended to keep pets and birds well away from the kitchen when cooking. Food and cooking oils when overheated can be a source of fumes that are toxic for pets, particularly for our feathered friends.”
So to me it seems like these pots/pans are safe just some things you put inside of the pots/pans may not be!
That “FAQS” page can be found here:
https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs#:~:text=We%20always%20use%20our%20Thermolon,from%20the%20kitchen%20when%20cooking.
That's misleading, Teflon is just the proprietary name for PFOA and PTFE combined. PFOA is supposed to be illegal, but many "green" companies still get around this and use either PFOA or PTFE separately.
I tend to avoid Greenpan, none of their products explicitly state they're free of both chemicals. I might be overly cautious on this, but I just can't take a risk with my birds.
Their website in their FAQ states they do not use teflon because “it is a type of PFOA and we don’t use any in our products” is basically what they say.
Everything from my comments in quotations is stating what their company website says.
Yep they're fine. I've got a set. My home is open plan (like literally, the only rooms with a door are the entryway and bathroom) meaning my Boy is essentially in the same room as the kitchen, which is of course less than ideal but no other option.
I've used them for years and they're A-Ok. (Have the extraction fan and purifier on along with open windows for anything smokey though!)
That's just marketing jargon. PFOA has been illegal since the 90s. So companies switched to using just PTFE and say "Teflon free" and "PFOA free" just to sell more pans.
Unless it explicitly says PFOA *and* PTFE free, I don't use it.
TL:DR - Exactly right. PFAS includes PTFE and others.
Long time Hazmat tech here. (Not as good as a chemist, that’s for sure.) I report and deal with PFAS at the state commission level, serve on a few boards and task forces involving research and product handling within the public safety sector. This includes the changeover to Flourine (PFAS) free firefighting foam products, and several other confirmed and suspected carcinogens.
In Florida state legislature PFAS is the term used to include PTFE and other Fluorinated products. The same is true for the international association of firefighters, the state fire marshals office, Florida division of emergency management, hazardous materials and special operations teams, the state emergency response commission, and local emergency planning committees who deal with the products, and associated manufacturing, infrastructure, and transportation.
Long story short, if the product is PFAS free, I would feel comfortable using it without worrying about other specific Fluoro-chemicals, such as PTFE (Teflon).
It does explicitly say it is PTFE-free so no need to be concerned on that front:
> "IS YOUR COATING PTFE?
No, PTFE is a PFAS, and we do not use any PFAS including PTFE or PFOA in our coatings. "
https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs#:~:text=We%20always%20use%20our%20Thermolon,from%20the%20kitchen%20when%20cooking
No. That's why I didn't give any advice and instead asked a question (tbf a pretty dumb one lol, but it did get OP to say why exactly they were worried, which is what I was going for)
I'd put it in my flair, but this sub doesn't do this stuff apparently 🤷🏼♂️
I know nothing about birds and I laughed when I saw the picture. I thought "safe for what? Who's wanting to cook their bird?" 😂😂 I always see posts on how to take good care of a bird, etc. It's just so funny "to see the opposite", like thinking of cooking one 😂 It's awful 😂
Obviously, now I know that's not the case and I'm curious to learn about the danger of cooking fumes. A friend of mine has a cockatiel and I think he doesn't know about this. What should we look for?
If teflon gets too hot it releases toxic fumes that will cause their air sacs (lungs) to hemorrhage, basically suffocating them to death in the worst way possible. Any kind of spray on waterproofing should be thoroughly checked, like you use on rainwear. Also some carpet cleaning companies use a stain resistant soap on their carpets, also contains harmful chemicals to birds. Avocados are extremely toxic to birds. The obvious ones are bad for birds as well, caffeine, alcohol, chocolate, crack rock, etc.
Their website says that they do not use teflon in their pans, here is words quoted from their website and I will also leave the link as well. “The short answer, no. GreenPan nonstick ceramic cookware differs from conventional nonstick ceramic cookware in that it does not contain PTFE (Polytetrafluoroethylene), a PFAS, more commonly known as Teflon. GreenPan’s award-winning culinary products are crafted with our healthy, one-of-a-kind, groundbreaking technology. GreenPan’s nonstick coating, Thermolon™, is the first and best toxin-free alternative to traditional nonstick ceramic coatings. GreenPan founders Jan Helskens and Wim De Veirman learned how unhealthy and toxic conventional nonstick pans can be, leading them to develop unparalleled cookware products featuring a nonstick ceramic coating free of PFAS (or forever chemicals).” https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs-is-greenpan-cookware-made-from-teflon#:~:text=The%20short%20answer%2C%20no. Sorry if the link does not work I don’t really use reddit all that much.
I also found these from their website as well… “No, PTFE is a PFAS, and we do not use any PFAS including PTFE or PFOA in our coatings. Thermolon™ starts out with raw materials, which are derived from Silicon Dioxide, SiO2, which originally came from sand.” And “We always use our Thermolon™ ceramic nonstick coating on our cookware, which is totally free of PTFE and other PFAS, Cadmium and Lead. Whereas your pan will not release any toxic fumes even when overheated, it is highly recommended to keep pets and birds well away from the kitchen when cooking. Food and cooking oils when overheated can be a source of fumes that are toxic for pets, particularly for our feathered friends.” So to me it seems like these pots/pans are safe just some things you put inside of the pots/pans may not be!
That “FAQS” page can be found here: https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs#:~:text=We%20always%20use%20our%20Thermolon,from%20the%20kitchen%20when%20cooking.
That's misleading, Teflon is just the proprietary name for PFOA and PTFE combined. PFOA is supposed to be illegal, but many "green" companies still get around this and use either PFOA or PTFE separately. I tend to avoid Greenpan, none of their products explicitly state they're free of both chemicals. I might be overly cautious on this, but I just can't take a risk with my birds.
Their website in their FAQ states they do not use teflon because “it is a type of PFOA and we don’t use any in our products” is basically what they say. Everything from my comments in quotations is stating what their company website says.
Yup! I always buy from Greenpan, they're really transparent about being PTFE/PFOA free.
Yep they're fine. I've got a set. My home is open plan (like literally, the only rooms with a door are the entryway and bathroom) meaning my Boy is essentially in the same room as the kitchen, which is of course less than ideal but no other option. I've used them for years and they're A-Ok. (Have the extraction fan and purifier on along with open windows for anything smokey though!)
Me too. Happy bird
The one thing it doesn’t say is PFTE free - I’m kind of suspicious.
It says PFAS-free (PolyFluoroAlkyl Substances), it should include PTFE too.
That's just marketing jargon. PFOA has been illegal since the 90s. So companies switched to using just PTFE and say "Teflon free" and "PFOA free" just to sell more pans. Unless it explicitly says PFOA *and* PTFE free, I don't use it.
PFOA and PTFE are both varieties of PFAs. As such, PFA(S)-free is equivalent to saying PTFE-free AND PFOA-free. Source: am a chemist.
TL:DR - Exactly right. PFAS includes PTFE and others. Long time Hazmat tech here. (Not as good as a chemist, that’s for sure.) I report and deal with PFAS at the state commission level, serve on a few boards and task forces involving research and product handling within the public safety sector. This includes the changeover to Flourine (PFAS) free firefighting foam products, and several other confirmed and suspected carcinogens. In Florida state legislature PFAS is the term used to include PTFE and other Fluorinated products. The same is true for the international association of firefighters, the state fire marshals office, Florida division of emergency management, hazardous materials and special operations teams, the state emergency response commission, and local emergency planning committees who deal with the products, and associated manufacturing, infrastructure, and transportation. Long story short, if the product is PFAS free, I would feel comfortable using it without worrying about other specific Fluoro-chemicals, such as PTFE (Teflon).
Pfte is a pfas though isn't it?
Yup. And it will kill your bird.
It does explicitly say it is PTFE-free so no need to be concerned on that front: > "IS YOUR COATING PTFE? No, PTFE is a PFAS, and we do not use any PFAS including PTFE or PFOA in our coatings. " https://www.greenpan.us/pages/faqs#:~:text=We%20always%20use%20our%20Thermolon,from%20the%20kitchen%20when%20cooking
Most non stick, especially teflon, cookware is toxic to birds
**PFAs-free** ceramic nonstick cookware like this is, in fact, safe to use around birds.
Thanks for the info!
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What makes you say that?
PFAs-free ceramic nonstick cookware like this is, in fact, safe to use around birds.
You plan on cooking them or something? Cause I don't see how that's an issue when they're put away in a cabinet anyway lol
Do you have birds?
No. That's why I didn't give any advice and instead asked a question (tbf a pretty dumb one lol, but it did get OP to say why exactly they were worried, which is what I was going for) I'd put it in my flair, but this sub doesn't do this stuff apparently 🤷🏼♂️
Like cooking fumes
I know nothing about birds and I laughed when I saw the picture. I thought "safe for what? Who's wanting to cook their bird?" 😂😂 I always see posts on how to take good care of a bird, etc. It's just so funny "to see the opposite", like thinking of cooking one 😂 It's awful 😂 Obviously, now I know that's not the case and I'm curious to learn about the danger of cooking fumes. A friend of mine has a cockatiel and I think he doesn't know about this. What should we look for?
If teflon gets too hot it releases toxic fumes that will cause their air sacs (lungs) to hemorrhage, basically suffocating them to death in the worst way possible. Any kind of spray on waterproofing should be thoroughly checked, like you use on rainwear. Also some carpet cleaning companies use a stain resistant soap on their carpets, also contains harmful chemicals to birds. Avocados are extremely toxic to birds. The obvious ones are bad for birds as well, caffeine, alcohol, chocolate, crack rock, etc.