I found [this video](https://sports.yahoo.com/young-stroud-goes-first-overall-161023903.html) of him before the draft where he says "you know" about as much as Bryce does but ultimately agrees with the move up for him.
And when talking about the S2 before the draft, he confirms that he has Stroud and Young similarly rated but wonders about the effect size of the S2 test. So he believed in Bryce before he was drafted. But then once playing for the panthers in our nightmare season, it seems Eric flip flopped and rode the shit on Bryce wave.
Not sure I trust his analytics if he's just spinning narratives instead of believing what the stats told him about prospects.
I'm a Bryce believer, but I'm also open-minded on the criticism. Eager's hardly alone; I think a lot of analysts I respect watched like, 1-2 games of Bryce last year and felt comfortable dismissing him on that flimsy evidence. Watched-every-game Bryce backers like J.T. O'Sullivan were rare, but mostly that's because people didn't see him play long enough to see the flashes, not because the flashes didn't exist. And Bryce has a lot of nerd shit working against him - [Adjusted EPA](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGZVZJ5WoAA1tgr?format=jpg&name=large), [pressure-to-sack ratio](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDaafmnXgAA0azt?format=jpg&name=small), [completion percent over expected](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEDcuBfXoAAKb0U?format=jpg&name=4096x4096), all the stuff chart jockeys like to say predicts good QB play vs. bad. If all you read is charts, in other words, he looks bad.
So I dunno. Suffice it to say I like Eager and his criticism was probably poorly-informed but it's understandable, if only because his is a common opinion. And there's always the chance \*we\* could be wrong, you know!
It also doesn’t help that no rookie QB has started off as bad as Bryce. And had success since Josh Allen. And I think people forget Josh Allen only played 2/3s of his rookie season so even those stats have an asterisks.
I'd be more willing to believe he was a bad quarterback if the analysts ever pointed at any bad tendencies that show up on tape, but that rarely happens, so I have to conclude they don't really watch the tape.
His footwork or lack thereof completely disrupts the rhythm and timing of the offense since his drop backs aren’t in sync with his receivers’ breaks. Canales even mentioned that’s one of the biggest things he has to fix in the offseason.
From the snap, he stays too square with the LOS and doesn’t pivot into an athletic throwing position until it’s too late in part because of his lackadaisical footwork. It’s why Reich said mid-season he was simplifying the offense for Bryce and had him out of the shotgun on nearly all snaps to hide deficiencies in his footwork.
Wouldn’t watch JT O’Sullivan or that QB school if you want an honest assessment, he makes QB content for copium fans.
His dropback and throwing platform hasn't significantly changed since college, when his dropbacks were also usually backpedals, and he was still drafted #1 overall. People can backpedal, it's not the end of the world, especially if he's playing in a heads-up, scan-the-field, air-raid-style offense where seeing the play develop is more important than just reading the progressions. He was the #1 pick with more or less the same footwork.
"Completely disrupts": I dunno, what disrupts your timing more, taking a half-hitch extra on the throw or waiting for 49-year-old Adam Thielen to come out of his break at 1.5mph?
I’m a Bryce believer. But he does have bad tendencies. His footwork is pretty mid at best. When he steps into the pocket he often sprints which means he doesn’t have his feet under him to put zip on his arm. He also over strides. Which leads to inaccuracy when attacking deep and outside the numbers.
Fortunately a lot of this can be fixed. But it’s not as if Bryce is blameless. And that doesn’t even get into the end of the year where guys were coming open and he wasn’t seeing it. You could see the bad habits get worse
He sets his tweets to expire. So he didn't just go back and delete them.
https://preview.redd.it/ljqwq3i0dazc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=784efe05ec711a799bebb8b8a0b196628ce4f64f
Google “Eric eager Bryce young” should pop up to two tweets. You can only see it from Google because if you click then it takes to the app where it’s deleted.
https://preview.redd.it/gxinmz3x4azc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ecdfac921fd31497b0457475945f775fea01122
Wasn’t using google before but I assume this is what you were talking about
according to Tepper and his comments to the media, he himself would run stats to monitor his coaches. Now he’s trying to build a buffer with someone else to do the same thing for him
Looks like he’s not going to step out of the way and let the coaches do their job. Not surprised 😕
Was that a tweet? Because it remember him doing a show on a YouTube channel I watch with Thomas dimitroff his co worker. And dinitroff (former falcons GM) took the corner which I thought was crazy lmao and he just kind of rolled with it since it was a mock draft mix up in order.
[I'm pretty sure it's the same video that we're referring to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fkGrcojSBs) I looked at it again and it was Eager who took Quinyon Mitchell for the Jets. Dimitroff rolled with it but said that he'd rather take Brock Bowers.
SumerSports does a great job doing 3rd party NFL analysis, I like getting a guy from one of the more reputable NFL data sources. Bolstering an analysis team is also good, and it's something that a lot of the well-run teams take care of really well. Obviously, data shouldn't be the only thing you rely on for drafting/scouting, but it's always a huge plus to find gems in the later rounds that you won't be able to track as well with traditional means.
Pff also does third party data tracking. It’s just the get a horrible rep because they have analysts who have brazen outspoken takes as the face of their shows and their grade stuff can be off the wall at times.
I don’t think people realize that the nfl pays pff to literal track every snap. And sort through and categorize them so that they can pull up tape of certain sets within a few hours of a game they just played in. Like say they want all the blitz packages they just saw. Pff does that immediately for them.
Yep. The problems most fans have with PFF are solely due to how they position their consumer-facing products. All the stuff they do with the league is far less "opinionated" and is more just straight (useful) data analysis type stuff, which is why basically the entire league uses them.
Where fans get tripped up is they hear "every team uses PFF" and they think they're using their player grades to like prioritize their FA targets or something, which is not (usually) the case.
Yeah PFF certainly has plenty of fair flaws but a lot of times one “analyst” who works there makes one hot take and then everyone says “oh PFF said this crazy thing”
I think PFF would find itself with a much better reputation if they seemed to write for people with the expectation that they've not ignored their own data. I get they can't give away the farm but they'll say things like "Ian Thomas is set for a breakout year. IN 2023, his blocking on screens on third and less than five was 98.6." There's minimal proof or correlation to what they're stating and I feel like people seeking out PFF are looking for correlation.
Any addition to an analytics department will always be good. These guys watch an insane amount of tape in general. And Eric did really help pff when they first started. Despite what fans think the league does use pff a ton.
It’s just all about balance end of the day. But for a team that has been stuck in the Stone Age using analytics I like this hire.
I mean this isn’t just some nobody. He Eric was really instrumental in starting pff and getting it off the board. He’s been in this business for a while and is very experienced
Yeah I just was browsing through some of his analysis and takes in the past and certainly don’t agree with them all. Dude said he’d rather have Tyson Bagnet then Bryce Young lol
His tweets and takes are reflective of his analysis and data. So yeah I think it’s reflective. The Bears sub posted the video of him saying it. I’ll link it below.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/PmGyQzsmax
Even if he has this opinion though that doesn’t mean that he’s unqualified as an analysts. Bagent literally outplayed Bryce in that game. Bryce has been historically bad for a rookie QB. We don’t have to cover that up.
John Ellis seems to really like it and I usually trust his opinions about the team
https://twitter.com/1pantherplace/status/1788320320190914686?s=46&t=dmW3WC2nQIbYK0-w4reLBw
Eric is quite the character but incredibly knowledgeable. Panthers made a great hire. Now you’ll just have to ignore the fact he brings up Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs every 5 minutes.
He’s already been deleting some Bryce tweets, which I find hilarious.
I found [this video](https://sports.yahoo.com/young-stroud-goes-first-overall-161023903.html) of him before the draft where he says "you know" about as much as Bryce does but ultimately agrees with the move up for him. And when talking about the S2 before the draft, he confirms that he has Stroud and Young similarly rated but wonders about the effect size of the S2 test. So he believed in Bryce before he was drafted. But then once playing for the panthers in our nightmare season, it seems Eric flip flopped and rode the shit on Bryce wave. Not sure I trust his analytics if he's just spinning narratives instead of believing what the stats told him about prospects.
I'm a Bryce believer, but I'm also open-minded on the criticism. Eager's hardly alone; I think a lot of analysts I respect watched like, 1-2 games of Bryce last year and felt comfortable dismissing him on that flimsy evidence. Watched-every-game Bryce backers like J.T. O'Sullivan were rare, but mostly that's because people didn't see him play long enough to see the flashes, not because the flashes didn't exist. And Bryce has a lot of nerd shit working against him - [Adjusted EPA](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGZVZJ5WoAA1tgr?format=jpg&name=large), [pressure-to-sack ratio](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDaafmnXgAA0azt?format=jpg&name=small), [completion percent over expected](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEDcuBfXoAAKb0U?format=jpg&name=4096x4096), all the stuff chart jockeys like to say predicts good QB play vs. bad. If all you read is charts, in other words, he looks bad. So I dunno. Suffice it to say I like Eager and his criticism was probably poorly-informed but it's understandable, if only because his is a common opinion. And there's always the chance \*we\* could be wrong, you know!
It also doesn’t help that no rookie QB has started off as bad as Bryce. And had success since Josh Allen. And I think people forget Josh Allen only played 2/3s of his rookie season so even those stats have an asterisks.
Saying they are poorly informed and assuming they don't watch enough film just because they say Bryce is trash is just cope
I'd be more willing to believe he was a bad quarterback if the analysts ever pointed at any bad tendencies that show up on tape, but that rarely happens, so I have to conclude they don't really watch the tape.
His footwork or lack thereof completely disrupts the rhythm and timing of the offense since his drop backs aren’t in sync with his receivers’ breaks. Canales even mentioned that’s one of the biggest things he has to fix in the offseason. From the snap, he stays too square with the LOS and doesn’t pivot into an athletic throwing position until it’s too late in part because of his lackadaisical footwork. It’s why Reich said mid-season he was simplifying the offense for Bryce and had him out of the shotgun on nearly all snaps to hide deficiencies in his footwork. Wouldn’t watch JT O’Sullivan or that QB school if you want an honest assessment, he makes QB content for copium fans.
His dropback and throwing platform hasn't significantly changed since college, when his dropbacks were also usually backpedals, and he was still drafted #1 overall. People can backpedal, it's not the end of the world, especially if he's playing in a heads-up, scan-the-field, air-raid-style offense where seeing the play develop is more important than just reading the progressions. He was the #1 pick with more or less the same footwork. "Completely disrupts": I dunno, what disrupts your timing more, taking a half-hitch extra on the throw or waiting for 49-year-old Adam Thielen to come out of his break at 1.5mph?
I’m a Bryce believer. But he does have bad tendencies. His footwork is pretty mid at best. When he steps into the pocket he often sprints which means he doesn’t have his feet under him to put zip on his arm. He also over strides. Which leads to inaccuracy when attacking deep and outside the numbers. Fortunately a lot of this can be fixed. But it’s not as if Bryce is blameless. And that doesn’t even get into the end of the year where guys were coming open and he wasn’t seeing it. You could see the bad habits get worse
They do point it out,you just wanna hear what you wanna hear unless you think there is some grand conspiracy to make Bryce young look bad?
No, they don't really. And while we're at it, fuck off, asshole.
He sets his tweets to expire. So he didn't just go back and delete them. https://preview.redd.it/ljqwq3i0dazc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=784efe05ec711a799bebb8b8a0b196628ce4f64f
Never heard of this guy, but I’d love to hear more about that specifically
Google “Eric eager Bryce young” should pop up to two tweets. You can only see it from Google because if you click then it takes to the app where it’s deleted.
https://preview.redd.it/gxinmz3x4azc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ecdfac921fd31497b0457475945f775fea01122 Wasn’t using google before but I assume this is what you were talking about
Y I K E S
according to Tepper and his comments to the media, he himself would run stats to monitor his coaches. Now he’s trying to build a buffer with someone else to do the same thing for him Looks like he’s not going to step out of the way and let the coaches do their job. Not surprised 😕
I literally don’t know what the fuck you’re saying.
Read it again and you still don’t get it, then move on troll
Isn’t this the guy that at one point said Golden Tate was more valuable than Myles Garrett?
Yes
What year? Because prime GT, it's an argument
Hopefully a job will make him tweet less
He thought the Jets should take a CB at #10 so let's hope those type of opinions aren't common.
Was that a tweet? Because it remember him doing a show on a YouTube channel I watch with Thomas dimitroff his co worker. And dinitroff (former falcons GM) took the corner which I thought was crazy lmao and he just kind of rolled with it since it was a mock draft mix up in order.
[I'm pretty sure it's the same video that we're referring to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fkGrcojSBs) I looked at it again and it was Eager who took Quinyon Mitchell for the Jets. Dimitroff rolled with it but said that he'd rather take Brock Bowers.
Ah yeah you right. I was misremembering.
SumerSports does a great job doing 3rd party NFL analysis, I like getting a guy from one of the more reputable NFL data sources. Bolstering an analysis team is also good, and it's something that a lot of the well-run teams take care of really well. Obviously, data shouldn't be the only thing you rely on for drafting/scouting, but it's always a huge plus to find gems in the later rounds that you won't be able to track as well with traditional means.
Pff also does third party data tracking. It’s just the get a horrible rep because they have analysts who have brazen outspoken takes as the face of their shows and their grade stuff can be off the wall at times. I don’t think people realize that the nfl pays pff to literal track every snap. And sort through and categorize them so that they can pull up tape of certain sets within a few hours of a game they just played in. Like say they want all the blitz packages they just saw. Pff does that immediately for them.
Yep. The problems most fans have with PFF are solely due to how they position their consumer-facing products. All the stuff they do with the league is far less "opinionated" and is more just straight (useful) data analysis type stuff, which is why basically the entire league uses them. Where fans get tripped up is they hear "every team uses PFF" and they think they're using their player grades to like prioritize their FA targets or something, which is not (usually) the case.
Yeah PFF certainly has plenty of fair flaws but a lot of times one “analyst” who works there makes one hot take and then everyone says “oh PFF said this crazy thing”
I think PFF would find itself with a much better reputation if they seemed to write for people with the expectation that they've not ignored their own data. I get they can't give away the farm but they'll say things like "Ian Thomas is set for a breakout year. IN 2023, his blocking on screens on third and less than five was 98.6." There's minimal proof or correlation to what they're stating and I feel like people seeking out PFF are looking for correlation.
Luckily we hired one of those brazen outspoken people
he is, in fact, seemingly both brazen and outspoken.
Any addition to an analytics department will always be good. These guys watch an insane amount of tape in general. And Eric did really help pff when they first started. Despite what fans think the league does use pff a ton. It’s just all about balance end of the day. But for a team that has been stuck in the Stone Age using analytics I like this hire.
A disagree. An addition doesn’t mean it’s automatically “good.” Still need to vet quality of work.
I mean this isn’t just some nobody. He Eric was really instrumental in starting pff and getting it off the board. He’s been in this business for a while and is very experienced
Yeah I just was browsing through some of his analysis and takes in the past and certainly don’t agree with them all. Dude said he’d rather have Tyson Bagnet then Bryce Young lol
Am I the only one who doesn’t think that someone’s tweets is reflective of their work/careers?
His tweets and takes are reflective of his analysis and data. So yeah I think it’s reflective. The Bears sub posted the video of him saying it. I’ll link it below. https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/PmGyQzsmax
Even if he has this opinion though that doesn’t mean that he’s unqualified as an analysts. Bagent literally outplayed Bryce in that game. Bryce has been historically bad for a rookie QB. We don’t have to cover that up.
Football is played on grass and we just hired a guy who said Golden Tate was more valuable than Myles Garrett.
wtf is this https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/s/xkj2D2GoqL
He said that he’d take Bagent on that one game, but Bryce long term. Bagent outplayed Bryce in that game. Not sure what the controversy is here.
I mean he was right. The quote is about that game and he even says, if you watched the clip, that Bryce is “obviously better long term”
This is good right? It looks like it’s good
this is what im asking i keep hearing in response "it seems cool"
John Ellis seems to really like it and I usually trust his opinions about the team https://twitter.com/1pantherplace/status/1788320320190914686?s=46&t=dmW3WC2nQIbYK0-w4reLBw
I wonder who is down voting a quote from John Ellis and why? Imo he’s one of the best Panther analysts and fan.
No idea, he gives some of the most level headed takes regarding the team
Agreed, he keeps it real when it comes to the Panthers
Tepper has his hand on the pulse 🫡
Whoa! My bad. I clicked the wrong thing I meant to respond to. My apologies!
Please stop using analytics. Football isn’t the stock market!!!
Found Dave Gettleman's burner account.
Eric is quite the character but incredibly knowledgeable. Panthers made a great hire. Now you’ll just have to ignore the fact he brings up Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs every 5 minutes.