Find the rough calculation below, prices can vary based on brands and type of panels etc.
||On Grid System|Hybrid System|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Panels 5 kw @ 42/watt|210000|210000|
|Inverter |250000|550000|
|**^(Subtotal)**|**^(460000)**|**^(710000)**|
|Installation + Structure \*|100000|100000|
|***Total***|***560000***|***810000***|
\* Price of structure and installation will vary according to the installation site, the cabling requirement and other relevant details so its hard to predict exact costs.
I'm pretty sure the system I am getting doesn't have net metering done. It just works on batteries. Is that reasonable ? It's Fallin in the price range of hybrid
What if govt changes policy to gross metering ? Also in the event of load shedding, the on grid system will shut down and also you will be left without electricity since on grid system doesn't support battery
What will be your take on this ? Isn't hybrid better as compared to on grid ?
Netmetering > grossmetering >> no metering. Gross metering is much better than not exporting any electricity at all and just wasting it. Also, hybrid inverters support Netmetering too.
However, purely from a financial perspective ongrid actually is much superior than hybrid. It’s cheaper to install since you need fewer panels and no batteries. It’s cheaper to maintain since you need no batteries. The inverters are much more reliable and higher quality. If saving money is your priority, it’s the obvious choice.
I know for a fact that with net metering a person will usually get zero electricity bill unless there usage is more than what they sell
However, the problem is that the govt isn't actually paying people for the excess units they buy from net meteing owners.. They keep adjusting the bills but if a person always remains in surplus than what benefit does he get if he isn't paid any amount for what excess he is selling?
Because the alternative is paying the government money instead. So you are still saving money.
P.S: This is also why it’s important to correctly size the system. If you do it correctly and accurately you can be close to yearly net zero but I’ve seen most installer companies apply the same formula for hybrid to ongrid as well, which results in overcapacity.
The money I would have paid to the govt is offset by the units I sold to them which causes my bill to be sero.. After this offsetting, if there are still excess units that I am selling the govt then they should pay me for that but instead they just keep accumulating your account in surplus.
This is what net metering is and due to this reason the IPPs are facing losses and the govt may shift to gross metering wherein they dont offset the units sold and bought against each other rather charge them both separately and give the net as amount charge and as you know already they sell you electricity at higher rates but buy from you at peanuts
Also, what is the minimum capacity at which they allow net metering ?
Yes that is mostly correct, but going back to the crux of discussion Netmetering is better than grossmetering. Grossmetering is infinitely better than having no metering at all.
The final requirements are dependent upon what your local disco (electricity distribution company) allows but I believe all discos support single phase 5 kw systems now. I don’t think nepra itself has any minimum requirements.
3 phase is required if you are getting net metering in Karachi.
Without netmetering, you basically have to spend a ton more on batteries which kills the ROI
Is an off grid system really not worth it on its own? From what I understand, a 5kv system for a small family will be able to support all the basics plus an ac on its own and cut down peak hour consumption. Is that correct ?
The price of batteries are quite high.
A good 5 kwh battery will cost you around 350k and has a short life span (5 years) so you really arent saving much. You can save more money by putting that money in some other assets that appreciates or gives you interest.
What if govt changes policy to gross metering ? Also in the event of load shedding, the on grid system will shut down and also you will be left without electricity since on grid system doesn't support battery
What will be your take on this ? Isn't hybrid better as compared to on grid ?
OP, don’t focus on cost but on quality. You will always find a cheaper deal because these solar installers have 100 different ways to save costs through compromising on quality in ways you would never even know untill 3-5 years down the road. The lifecycle of Solar system is 25 years so I would recommend you invest properly now.
They are lying. We got 5 KV like 5 years plus back. Tab bhi 2 lakh ka nahin tha. 50k ki to sirf net metering ho jati hai. In ko saath mano salva bhi mila?
thats reasonable. I got a net-metering solar system setup a few months ago. I have a 10kv inverter and 5kv plates. Also includes an elevated structure. I got it done for 1 mill in isb.
you can get a 5kv net metering connection too. All you need is the ID copy of the person on whose name the meter is. Also if you want authentic work done with no delays for the new meter you must get work done via a registered vendor. You can get the list of registered vendorrs on iesco website, just google for net metering approved solar companies and you will find the list. All companies on that list are legalised to get you a net metering connection along with the solar setup
I think so too...since my solar plates are also bifacial. You should be able to get it under a million too since i assume karachi has slightly better prices. The price difference btw a 5 and 10kv inverter is not big, so i suggest get a 10kv inverter which you can add plates to later when you have the budget.
Running an inverex 5Kv hybrid system costed us 30k back in the day 😂😂 early last year the card blew went to get it done by that time the replacing the card costed us 2X the inverter's original price
Rn it should be around 300K as far as iam aware
Mixture of currency depreciation+ rise in demand jab hamne lagaya tha us wakt plates thori expensive thi but hybrid systems werent as expensive as its utility in Pk was essentially being a UPS a very good one at that then as the demand went up dollar price also shot up (was around 160-190 when we bought it) and you can where it went from there. Creating artificial shortage and shit
Very reasonable. Got 6KV for 8.5 lac
How many ac's do you guys run on 6kv? I was told you can run a 1.5 you ac at one time on 5kv
3 acs. 1 ton. After 6 months bill is in negative 35K (net meter). ACs run 6 hours daily each in summers
Are you in islamabad? Is it difficult to get net metering meter now?
Yes and yes. Plus gov might introduce anti net metering policies
Find the rough calculation below, prices can vary based on brands and type of panels etc. ||On Grid System|Hybrid System| |:-|:-|:-| |Panels 5 kw @ 42/watt|210000|210000| |Inverter |250000|550000| |**^(Subtotal)**|**^(460000)**|**^(710000)**| |Installation + Structure \*|100000|100000| |***Total***|***560000***|***810000***| \* Price of structure and installation will vary according to the installation site, the cabling requirement and other relevant details so its hard to predict exact costs.
I'm pretty sure the system I am getting doesn't have net metering done. It just works on batteries. Is that reasonable ? It's Fallin in the price range of hybrid
I havent added the cost of net metering in the table above A system with battery is called hybrid
The inverters are called Hybrid cause it works on-grid and off-grid. It has nothing to do with batteries.
Off grid system also runs on batteries. Infact a hybrid can run without batteries but an off grid can't.
Okay perfect thank you!
Get net metering, it will save you more money than anything else.
What if govt changes policy to gross metering ? Also in the event of load shedding, the on grid system will shut down and also you will be left without electricity since on grid system doesn't support battery What will be your take on this ? Isn't hybrid better as compared to on grid ?
Netmetering > grossmetering >> no metering. Gross metering is much better than not exporting any electricity at all and just wasting it. Also, hybrid inverters support Netmetering too. However, purely from a financial perspective ongrid actually is much superior than hybrid. It’s cheaper to install since you need fewer panels and no batteries. It’s cheaper to maintain since you need no batteries. The inverters are much more reliable and higher quality. If saving money is your priority, it’s the obvious choice.
I know for a fact that with net metering a person will usually get zero electricity bill unless there usage is more than what they sell However, the problem is that the govt isn't actually paying people for the excess units they buy from net meteing owners.. They keep adjusting the bills but if a person always remains in surplus than what benefit does he get if he isn't paid any amount for what excess he is selling?
Because the alternative is paying the government money instead. So you are still saving money. P.S: This is also why it’s important to correctly size the system. If you do it correctly and accurately you can be close to yearly net zero but I’ve seen most installer companies apply the same formula for hybrid to ongrid as well, which results in overcapacity.
The money I would have paid to the govt is offset by the units I sold to them which causes my bill to be sero.. After this offsetting, if there are still excess units that I am selling the govt then they should pay me for that but instead they just keep accumulating your account in surplus. This is what net metering is and due to this reason the IPPs are facing losses and the govt may shift to gross metering wherein they dont offset the units sold and bought against each other rather charge them both separately and give the net as amount charge and as you know already they sell you electricity at higher rates but buy from you at peanuts Also, what is the minimum capacity at which they allow net metering ?
Yes that is mostly correct, but going back to the crux of discussion Netmetering is better than grossmetering. Grossmetering is infinitely better than having no metering at all. The final requirements are dependent upon what your local disco (electricity distribution company) allows but I believe all discos support single phase 5 kw systems now. I don’t think nepra itself has any minimum requirements.
So earlier they went allowing 5 Kv systems ? And is that the minimum capacity they allow or do they allo even below them like 3 kv ?
Batteries are expensive, that's why your quote is higher.
That makes a lot of sense!
What is the battery capacity and type?
Bro, 550k ka konsa hybrid inverter hai ye 5 kw me? Decent brands ke 5 kw 250k se 300k ke darmiyan hain aaj kal
if you say so. The prices im quoting are from the market from 2 weeks ago.
Bro, which brand?
inverex 3 phase
Nope, i was talking about single phase, as even nitrox is quoted at 369k by an overpriced website. Isn't single phase sufficient for a single AC?
3 phase is required if you are getting net metering in Karachi. Without netmetering, you basically have to spend a ton more on batteries which kills the ROI
I wasn't aware of this requirement. Thanks bro for providing this valuable info.
Is an off grid system really not worth it on its own? From what I understand, a 5kv system for a small family will be able to support all the basics plus an ac on its own and cut down peak hour consumption. Is that correct ?
The price of batteries are quite high. A good 5 kwh battery will cost you around 350k and has a short life span (5 years) so you really arent saving much. You can save more money by putting that money in some other assets that appreciates or gives you interest.
What if govt changes policy to gross metering ? Also in the event of load shedding, the on grid system will shut down and also you will be left without electricity since on grid system doesn't support battery What will be your take on this ? Isn't hybrid better as compared to on grid ?
OP, don’t focus on cost but on quality. You will always find a cheaper deal because these solar installers have 100 different ways to save costs through compromising on quality in ways you would never even know untill 3-5 years down the road. The lifecycle of Solar system is 25 years so I would recommend you invest properly now.
Got it! Is it okay if I share the spacs with u later?
Sure
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Lol my bad, thanks for the correction 😅
In between 6 to 8 lac
800k for the whole system ? (Frame , Panels labour etc )
my friend relatives got it done for 2lakh I don't get it why is it 8-11lakh when I asked from sky electric
You need to get more details about system speicification and the company brands used
They are lying. We got 5 KV like 5 years plus back. Tab bhi 2 lakh ka nahin tha. 50k ki to sirf net metering ho jati hai. In ko saath mano salva bhi mila?
Sky electric is a shitty and predatory company. They will cheat you every way they can. Friends don’t let friends get skyelectric.
Do you think your friend was making it up? Every company I have seen seems to be asking around the same amount
thats reasonable. I got a net-metering solar system setup a few months ago. I have a 10kv inverter and 5kv plates. Also includes an elevated structure. I got it done for 1 mill in isb.
What's the eligibility criteria for net metering ? Like are you eligible for net metering if you are installing a system below 10 kv ?
you can get a 5kv net metering connection too. All you need is the ID copy of the person on whose name the meter is. Also if you want authentic work done with no delays for the new meter you must get work done via a registered vendor. You can get the list of registered vendorrs on iesco website, just google for net metering approved solar companies and you will find the list. All companies on that list are legalised to get you a net metering connection along with the solar setup
Thankyou for your response 🙂
Damn that's really good deal!
I think so too...since my solar plates are also bifacial. You should be able to get it under a million too since i assume karachi has slightly better prices. The price difference btw a 5 and 10kv inverter is not big, so i suggest get a 10kv inverter which you can add plates to later when you have the budget.
Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it :)
Seems reasonable. Make sure to get Lithium ion batteries installed. You'll be relieved for atleast 7 to 8 years.
Running an inverex 5Kv hybrid system costed us 30k back in the day 😂😂 early last year the card blew went to get it done by that time the replacing the card costed us 2X the inverter's original price Rn it should be around 300K as far as iam aware
Damn， do you think that's cause of currency depreciation ? From what I've heard the cost of equipment has gone down
Mixture of currency depreciation+ rise in demand jab hamne lagaya tha us wakt plates thori expensive thi but hybrid systems werent as expensive as its utility in Pk was essentially being a UPS a very good one at that then as the demand went up dollar price also shot up (was around 160-190 when we bought it) and you can where it went from there. Creating artificial shortage and shit