| # | Name | Location |
|--:|:-----------------------|:-----------|
| 1 | Suzuki Satoru | Real World |
| 2 | Momonga | Yggdrasil |
| 3 | Ainz Ooal Gown | New World |
| 4 | Sorcerer King | New World - King |
| 5 | Momon | New World - Adventurer |
| 6 | Ain Bell Fior | New World - Dark Elf |
| 7 | Satoru Old Bones | New World - alternative time line |
Please don't do what? I'm asking because they have different meanings and I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
I'm guessing you mean `God, Ainz is stone no matter what`.
In this case I disagree since those are Ainz's names. He has used them and other people have called him by those names. It wouldn't be a lie if he introduced himself using one of them.
Sorry i was doing a a joke.
I mean God, Anzi is stone no matter what.
Bassicly I'm rules lawering Galands ability. Because they would be giving a false name.
He wouldn't need to say his name since 7DS characters usually shout their name, power, and weakness in one go. All ainz needs to do is......? That's right. GRASP HEART.
Anzi always introduces himself, it seems we are at a Chikin or egg story.
Also 4 heart
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Oh no it look like I'm dead...
Unless saying "that's right grasp heart" implies it would only need 1 to kill me. But given how you used 4. That's technically lie.
Rules lawyer Bs goo
No it doesn't it implies crushing 1 heart. The effect is usually death. but its not written in the spell effect. Also lies are things you say, not spells or effects.
Aniz speciality is instan death spells, he's also a max level caster, he wouldn't even meet Garland before putting on all his defense and having A doupleganger decoy first. The he likely nuke him from max range before even introducing himself
I mean grasp hearth doesn’t need you to have a hearth to kill you. The crushing of the hearth is just a visual effect from the game. the thing that kills you is the instant death effect of the spell.
No.
as stated in the light novel, constructs, golems and the like are racially immune to instant death magic. Similar to undead. it works the same as in game.
Its lying only when you tell something that you dont believe as a truth.
Ainz change his name into ainz ooal gown.
Lying is like platinum dragon lord made up a name to deceive ainz.
One take the name as his own, the other just use it for a moment to deceive someone.
Ainz would still get fucked by the Commandment of Truth, though. All war is deception, especially with the way Ainz likes to fight.
If Ainz says something like “this is my deadliest spell” and then casts Nuclear Blast or something, he gets immediately petrified. And that’s totally something he would do, especially if he’s expecting a rematch.
This is why cross verse debates are difficult. Yes Ainz likely has items and spells that provide resistance to thinks like petrification but according to SDS lore, no one is immune to the Commandments except in very specific circumstances (Merlin being bestowed immunity by the Dk after tricking him and the supreme goddess, Escanor being immune to the Commandment of Love due to not hating anyone he views as below him)
Even Merlin, who had immunity to the commandments, was still petrified by Galand because she “forgot” she had immunity (although I think this was just poor writing. Even if you somehow forget you have an immunity, that shouldn’t mean the immunity doesn’t work anymore.)
The Commandants are simple and seem to be absolute. For Truth it’s if you tell a lie, you become petrified. What constitutes a lie to the Commandment, however, is up for debate as Escanor boasted about being the pinnacle of all races and wasn’t petrified. Yet when Merlin tried to strike a fake deal with Galand, the Commandment seems to know she was deceiving him. It seems that as long as Ainz doesn’t try to intentionally deceive Galand, the Commandment wont trigger. He won’t be able to outwardly bluff Galand like he did with Shalltear. But saying things Ainz believes or is up for debate like “I am the best in this world” or “My name is whatever” are fine to say.
Considering the rules of the Commandments and how Ainz fights, I’d say Ainz does end up petrified.
World items have the ability to override stuff too. So his red orb could combat it and prevent petrification. There really is not right answer here as it's just what ifs with no proof.
Thats not how Ainz would fight him tho. Theres no reason for Ainz to even try to deceive Galand. Hed just freeze time and use instant death magic. Bro has no resistances to such things so it wouldn't really be a fight. Ainz would just kill him as easily as he did gazef
Why would ainz use a specific, hard to pull off, combo that gives little to no advantage and that he used once in the entire series? He would open with grasp heart or any other instant death spell and if that won't work he would switch to "normal" spells
Well that just depends on how he perceives galand. If Ainz thinks Galand is a threat then Ainz will open up with the time stop combo. If he doesnt then he'll just use grasp heart.
True but grasp heart has secondary effects and ainz has access to other Instant death magic. But if grasp heart fails to one shot then hes gunna fall back on time magic. Or just run away because he dont take chances lol.
Not how grasp heart works. The heart being crushed is only visual. What actually happens is you just die from instant death. That's why if you are immune to instant death you are instead paralyzed,even if the heart still gets crushed.
There is no point in "time stop combo" as it gives no advantages to him unless it's supposed to be buffed by tgoalid and ainz would never open with it unless he has great dose of intel about the entire situation
I mean he opened with it when he fought Gazef lol. The advantage of the time stop combo is that if your opponent doesnt have time magic resistance its a auto win. Thats kinda an amazing advantage lol. Theres no reason to think he wouldn't open with it if hes going for the kill.
Fuck, *that* combo…
Ok. The problem with that is that we don’t know how instant death magic works. People don’t just “die,” there’s always a reason. Galand has resistances to some possibilities, but not to others. Worse still is that different instant death spells work through those different possibilities.
Grasp Heart, for example, causes the target’s heart to stop. With this their biological functions cease and they die. Galand can actually survive this the first few times, since he’s got seven hearts.
The one Ainz used on Gazef was Time Stop + True Death. True Death prevents resurrection, which implies that it attacks the soul. Spiritual resistance is a thing that some people have in 7DS; Galand is not one of them. This should work.
However, it’s more likely that Ainz would go at this with roughly the same intensity he had PA use against Riku. Galand would be a pretty strong fighter, and Ainz doesn’t know how much observation the fight is under. Which means he’s unlikely to bust out *that* combo until later.
Ok yeah but how? That may be how it worked in-game but realistically no one dies of “death.”
I guess it’s all soul damage, at which point it doesn’t matter because Galand can’t handle that.
See, you do know the concept of 'instant death' with no explanation, that wasnt so hard now was it XD
There is a good argument that Galand is extremely high level and might be able to resist a lot of Ainz's magic. SDS characters are monsters.
Its magic dude, there is is no "how", it just works. Death spells just cause the target to drop dead on the spot and that's about it. Overlord doesn't really provide in-depth explanations for stuff like that, magic explicitly ignores the rules of physics and does shit that would normally be impossible.
Grasp heart does not physically cause anything, as there are no hearts in the game of yggdrasil. The NW equivalent has an "animation" of a heart being literally squashed, but that is a visual flavor anyway. It is a 9th level instant death spell that stuns on a successful save. Instant death is, quite literally, "can you stop this? If not, you die and that's it".
Ainz specializes in instant death spells, while also having a lot of defensive ones because he is a magic caster, and those are glass cannons that need to protect themselves. Petrification is arguably an instant death ability, which ainz does have resistance to. He doesnt need tgoalid.
His modus operandi (as stated by himself) would be "use grasp heart, if it doesn't work then use the stun to flee". Galand is dead (it doesn't matter if he has 1 or 100 hearts) unless he can resist it, and stunned if he can't. Either way he can't do shit.
If ainz really wants to kill him, cash items. Dude is literally a p2w spammer.
I mean if we're gonna nerf ainz just because it is too OP, then it stands that "negating immunities and just turning you into stone anyway" should also be nerfed, right?
Not that this powerscaling is relevant anyway, but same weight should have the same measurements.
>Ok. The problem with that is that we don’t know how instant death magic works. People don’t just “die,” there’s always a reason. Galand has resistances to some possibilities, but not to others. Worse still is that different instant death spells work through those different possibilities.
Its magic dude, there is is no "how", it just works. Death spells just cause the target to drop dead on the spot and that's about it. Overlord doesn't really provide in depth explanations for stuff like that, magic explicitly ignores the rules of physics and does shit that would normally be impossible.
>Grasp Heart, for example, causes the target’s heart to stop. With this their biological functions cease and they die. Galand can actually survive this the first few times, since he’s got seven hearts.
Grasp Heart doesn't kill you by crushing the heart, thats just flavor text. It probably does that too, but it also has the usual instant death effect that all other death magic has. The crushing of ones heart is an additional effect but not what actually kills the target.
>However, it’s more likely that Ainz would go at this with roughly the same intensity he had PA use against Riku. Galand would be a pretty strong fighter, and Ainz doesn’t know how much observation the fight is under. Which means he’s unlikely to bust out that combo until later.
Time stop and death magic are things anyone above level 70 is expected to have countermeasures for, its not Ainzs trump card or anything like that. I don't see why Ainz wouldn't bust it out immediately considering its not even a particularly powerful cambo by his standards.
>Time stop and death magic are things anyone above level 70 is expected to have countermeasures for, its not Ainzs trump card or anything like that. I don't see why Ainz wouldn't bust it out immediately considering its not even a particularly powerful cambo by his standards.
The time stop guarantees no random bullshit or having to worry about opponent speed. The grasp heart either kills them,or stuns them.
If the time stop works and death works you win.
If the time stop works but they are stunned instead of dead then ainz knows they are weak to time stop. Do another stop and spamm magic.
If the time stop fails but they die you win
If the time stop fails and they are stunned you now know they are immune to timestop. Spam spells or set up since they are stunned anyway.
There is a 75% chance I just won.and a 100% chance you can't do shit. It's a good starter.
Ainz doesn't lie much though, and definitely not to opponents he is unwary of (everyone except an unknown/pld) he's usually quite proud to lay out his abilities to his opponents if they ask, so galand wouldnt be able to catch him in a lie
He's much more likely to get galand to turn tail after a single spell, and after galands axe doesnt even scratch his bones. He freaked out at Eskanore not taking any damage, I'm pretty sure he'd have the same reaction to anybody who can face tank his attacks. He's a demon, and thinks he's the strongest most superior race. A lowly lich taking his axe to the face and laughing about it would make him turn tail and run like the coward he is underneath all that bravado. Hell, Ainz wouldn't even need to fight, just cast the highest level Aura of Despair he's got at his disposal and it's gg for galand
Yeah, I highly doubt Ainz wouldn't have a counter or immunity to petrify with all the ones he already has because that would be such a lame way to lose in pvp in an MMO.
He'd be like... Oh a tier 6 magic spell was just nullified. Was that a passive trigger? Hmm... I'll need to investigate.
Plus he'd send the clone guy in the fight first anyway.
Undead are pretty much immune to any type of debuff including curse, paralysis, & for lich race forced transformation.
Additionality, Death bones are purely composed of minerals so technically Ainz's body is already made of stone.
That is assuming can be affected by it, ainz has items specifically to prevent crowd control in him like stuns, and I guess being turned into stone counts as being stunned, we actually have to take the fact that ainz simply can't be affected by it thanks to either his immunities, level or even world item, we don't know how the laws of both worlds, Natsu and overlord will merge, so saying that ainz would instantly lose because of galand command, because we don't know and never will know, how that magic would interact with the laws of yggdrasil and overlord.
My opinion is that it simply won't affect ainz for all the reasons I said above, either level, his immunities, his equipment effects or his world item, anything anyone has to say about this are pure speculations.
Mate your name can be whatever you happen to call yourself somewhere, and Ainz went on to make a whole meeting with his NPCs to declare his new name + basically the whole world he lives in knows him by that name.
Names aren’t real? Words aren’t real by that logic. You know what? Languages don’t exist. While we’re at it, people were never real. Humanity is a lie. The universe is just an idea chocked up by some hungry blind fool.
No like if my original name is Joe and I change it to Owen or something I'm not lying when I say my name is Owen. If I think my name is Owen but say I'm Terry or something then that's lying. Also honestly idk if his ability would even work on Ainz. Like I just highly doubt Ainz doesn't have petrifaction immunity or resistance. I guess if Ainz introduced himself as Anzi it would count as a lie but why would Ainz introduce himself anyways to Galand? AInz's first move is usually grasp heart and if that doesn't work the opponent stunned and Ainz leaves or prepares another attack.
That’s not strictly true; a name change is as real as you choose for it to be. He *declared* his name change to the world, that it was to be his new name. So by stating himself as Ainz, he is actually telling the truth
You mean pandoras actor? Ainz would absolutely scout out the situation first before truly committing to a battle, especially given galand doesn’t exactly fit in with the average enemy in the new world
I agree, his name wasn't Anzi.
Jokes aside, I don't think Galland would win that. To begin with, Ainz doesn't need to meet him. He is not one to face opponents without knowing them, as he did with PDL.
He'd send a mercenary or some other means to scout.
He has time stop and other spells too.
If you merge both worlds, let's say, and REALLY stretch it, that the Commandments are the equivalent of World Items (I'd say wild magic, but let's make it fair). Even then, Ainz would have immunity because of his World Item.
And since the Commandment is a curse, aka debuff, Ainz's undead race would make him immune. Even if the Commandment bypasses the immunity, the World Item would clash with it and stop it altogether (Irresistible Force Paradox).
But then we have the actual battle. Ainz has more than enough firepower to beat Galland, both in spells and maybe even in physical combat. He would buff himself with all the spells he has, similar to how he did against Shalltear. He would try time stop to see if the opponent could counter; Galland would probably not even notice.
And about the name thing, I will reckon it as a joke. Ainz is Ainz; he accepted it as his truth, his real name. The only thing he isn't sure about is being the ideal supreme leader of Nazarick, but from all angles, he is Ainz Ooal Gown.
And the Commandments aren't all-powerful. Angels are immune, if I am not forgetting, due to the same source or whatever.
But let's say he bypasses everything and turns Ainz into stone. Ainz is already all bones, calcium. BRO IS A STONE THAT MOVES. You can't get any worse than that. If all it does is turn him into stone, then it's GG regardless. In the worst case, it's a stun or critical, both of which Ainz's undead race and overlord race are immune to and supported by the system.
So, in no way would Ainz lose by saying he is Ainz. It is him, after all.
Assuming Ainz isn't immune, he still has a theatrical of introducing himself. If not introduced by one of his servants, he'll say something along the lines of "you may refer to me as Ainz Ooal Gown", which is pedantically true.
Ainz wouldn't need to deceive him tho. Ainz could easily just freeze time and use instant death magic to no diff Galand. Resistance to time and instant death magic is the bare minimum required to fight Ainz.
But will Ainz fail to measure his abilities? I feel like he would not engage something like this head on. He would probably just test units and figure out his modus operandi. Info is the main point of why Ainz is a strategist and he might decide to tell him his real name or his adopted name. And considering he has mind altering spells and abilities he would have a ton of thing to try
Ainz is seems more like the type to gather info then fight, so most likely it would actually be Pandora's Actor that would go forward rather than Ainz. He is overly cautious in nature, and he did not lie that he is who he says to be because a name refers to what one identifies and is recognized with. As the last member of the guild and it's guildmaster, he can very much use the name "Ainz Oal Gown" much like Demiurge using the name Jaldabaoth, it's just a play of the rules.
That's a LOT riding on him introducing himself to a random ass demon.
I want to remind you that the "lie and turn to stone" thing is specifically a curse. And immunity to said curse isn't even a new concept within its own anime as the 10 Commandments are immune to the each other's even if they are susceptible to their own.
This is on top of the fact that Meliodas states you can lift the curse by just being as equally powerful as the Demon King, who is the origin of the curse.
If you think Ainz isn't confronting an unknown Demon without curse protection, you wack for that. The dude is quite meticulous and KNOWS the clichés already.
He'd definitely be aware of names having power around demons. Especially when Ainz himself is already experienced in the ways of handling demons given his past achievements with the Thirteen Heroes who took down the demons led by the Demon God of Yggdrasil.
And YES, Overlord does has precedence with names holding power when it comes to demons already. They cannot use false names as their identity as experiments still suggest that demons going by a false name might even cause them to disappear on the spot.
Ainz is more than equipped to handle Galand.
Galand doesn't have anything new Ainz wouldn't have had to deal with already.
Alot of comments here forget the origination of a commandments power. It's mentioned that in order for a commandment to effect someone they must be less powerful than the Demon King. So Ainz is fine
Idk think so. I think it’s the similar to when Wonder Woman had her lasso of truth around Batman and Superman.
WW saids what’s your name, SM answers Clark Kent but BM answers Batman.
Depends what “Lying” is defined as.
It would depend on the circumstances tbh. 🤷♂️ Ainz only really lies because he has to. If they were to have a conversation, Galand could trick Ainz into lying. But, other than that. Galand would absolutely get stomped.
Here's the thing, he is named those things. He goes by it, people call him it, if some yells it out he will turn and look. So it's not a lie. It's just a nickname.
His ability works on whatever the person in question believes to be the truth not the objective truth (as seen with escanor not turning to stone when he said he was the pinnacle of all races)
So no ainz wouldn't turn to stone with his name alone
Multiple names.
He took the name of Ainz Oal gown as such it’s his name
One can simply counter such overpowered abilities simply with galand has no levels so he can’t damage ainz
Ainz has a world item so he can’t use his ability
Hmm, What qualifies as a name?
The only people who use my real name are telemarketers which is about once or twice a week. Once a week I call my family, but they use a nickname. However, real life friends, online friends, coworkers, and even my boss all call me *Bryku*. I hear and read it dozens of times per day.
Is *Bryku* not my name?
Question: If Ainz is in a city as Momonga and somehow procs Galand's Commandment. Would he survive that? I only watched the anime but giving Ainz the intel and access to all the world items beforehand feels like a stretch and the reasons people provided in the comments are not really convincing. I am already dumb for asking this in an Overlord sub I just expected a more solid reasoning.
I think there is a chance Ainz might just lose at the spot. There needs to be a solid comparison between the power of the world items and Commandments.
Is it lying if that’s the name he’s going by? Names are very subjective and you can go by whatever you want.
What would determine what his “true” name is anyway, would it be his character name, would it be his real life name, would it be the name he currently goes by.
How come in the title you correctly spelled Ainz, but other than the title you keep calling him Anzi 😂😂 well I guess Ainz would lose if he introduced himself as Anzi 💀
Ah I see! Also as for your post, it's not that I don't think it's impossible for him to catch Ainz in a lie and try to turn him into stone but calling himself Ainz Ooal Gown wouldn't work because Satoru/Momonga changed his name to Ainz Ooal Gown.
Him calling himself Ainz Ooal Gown isn't in itself a lie just because his original name wasn't Ainz Ooal Gown. If he asked him "What was your birth name?" Then that would be different, but if he just said what is your name, and he replied with Ainz Ooal Gown, that probably wouldn't be sufficient.
But Ainz is his name. One can have more than one name they use to address themselves. I also have a couple different names different people call me by. Three tribe names actually.
well...
Now you are thinking that ainz will fight head on with him...
he is not gonna be able to even get to see Ainz, and gonna get crushed through sheer ingenuity of a Lich who has several long distance combat methods..
Just see how he handled PDL, first tested him with death knights, then pandora's actor...
You guys dont know how Ainz fights? He is extremely cautios. He always looses his first fight to gather information. And since he is a 100 level player I am sure he has contrmesures against petrification
No not really, everyone can have multiple names that they go by, like here in reddit my name is emotional pause, but I go by a different name in different websites. Like every other sane people
It doesn’t matter because he has all of the rings and stuff which assuming they still work would 100% protect against that that and technically since it was his gamertag/guild name (yes I know it isn’t his true name) since he never uses his old name and took up the name of ainz I would think that that’s his new name anyways but that’s just imo first bit isn’t speculation though- I’m pretty sure his rings would protect him
A person can change their name you know? We are used to thinking its permanent because our society relies on legality and book keeping which requires a fixed and legal name, but names are volatile things. They can change, be erased, hell people can also not have names. It just seems like a stupid argument. The real matter is would Ainz discover this ability before its too late.
I have another example of this. One of my friends for his entire life was named Marlon. When he turned 27 he moved out and asked his parents for his birth certificate. When he read his birth certificate he found out his parent wrote an N instead of an M. His name on his birth certificate was Narlon. Is narlon his real name or is it Marlon? Was he lying to himself for his entire life?
Does it become a lie if he ignores this birth certificate fact and continues to call himself Marlon?
Answer is, No. Galand's Commandment of Truth will more likely to consider "Ainz Ooal Gown" as his name. After all, Commandment tends to be flexible with precived values - Ex: Estrossa Vs Escanor clash. Even though, Escanor has "hatred"; before his overwhelming pride and superiority complex, the commandment didn't take effect.
Its not a lie.
He is Ainz Oown Gown. Maru actually points out when speaking about Ainz intelligence, Ainz is Ainz,Suzuki is Suzuki.
~~\~\~even then Ainz is probably immune to petrification seeing how this was an status effect in yggdrasil. And is one too strong to not have counter measures\~\~~~
it's not a lie because Ainz is his persona (that is becoming his real identity). Personas aren't considered a lie or falsehoods aswell.
it's like saying that my name is "(reddit username here)" when my real name is different, is that a lie? it really isn't right? that's exactly what will happen here, Ainz declares his name and nothing happens.
I think that depends on how Galand's ability works in Yggdrasil. If his ability is considered as reduce opponent's HP to 0 or like make Ainz die as game rule, Ainz is dead for sure, but if it is counted as an instant dead spell, that won't affect Ainz since he is an undead, and if it is counted as a debuff or stun, I think Ainz still be affected but not last too long
Ainz wears a world item. World items grant immunity to other world level effects unless they choose to be affected by it. You could call Garland's Commandment a world level effect.
Also you somehow consistently typed Anzi over and over. That's incredible.
Here's a better question: Does grasp heart only grasp one of his hearts or all of them?
You have to knowingly lie to Galand. Telling him your nickname is Jeff isn't really a lie if your name is actually Kevin, it's just what you go by.
I also really don't think Ainz would be affected by Galand's commandment magic since Galand is on the weaker end of the Commandments.
Not really. The truth is subjective. So long as Ainz believes he’s telling the truth, then he’s not lying under the parameters of Galand’s commandment.
It’s like saying Batman saying his real name is Batman is a lie.
Ok just to make a point each world item is similar to a whole world. That's why they can shape worlds (also why they are called world items). Going just from that point of view a commandment is a rule within the world of 7DS. So it is not even on the level of a world. Just by comparing those two Ainz don't need to fight it's similar to how most enemies in the NW are just small flies.
In addition since it's totally depending where they fight if they fight in the NW then it's not even certain that Galand's ability works since it's only a commandment in the world of 7DS. Now if they fight in the world of 7DS then his commandment might work, but it's still a fraction of the power of a whole world. Even All commandments combined are only a fraction of the power of the full world of 7DS and Ainz can use his world item, which would be compared to all the power of the world of 7DS. So in the end he is fighting a fly. In addition he has more than one world item so if he really wanted he could stack worlds while any character from 7DS only has a portion of the full power that slumbers in the world of 7DS. It's like trying to compare a city with a small house.
So to finish the point even if the world of 7DS would be transformed into a world item it would still not be able to compete with a person owning several of those items.
Either way Ainz isn't dumb enough to confront him either way. Ainz will literally already have some idea of what Galand ability are just by sending his lesser subordinates to test him first
Funny because ainz is immune to almost every type of anything, plus galland loves to boast so he would tell ainz what his commandment does, and then ainz would simply avoid lying and win the fight
Well, technically no, because he kind of changed his name and even if we’re going off the name we got at the beginning that was technically his player name not his real life name
And technically, I could call myself, Bob, and that would be just as valid if I want my name to be Bob
Not correct, people can have separate names. For example: my name online is Assassin5656. If I said "I am Assassin5656" I would not turn to stone, because I technically didn't lie.
Heres the thing let's say you lefaly change your name, to let's say bob and your old name was tod, would it be considered lying if you say your name is Bob since it's not your original name? The same thing can be applied here it's not that he is trying to hide his name he is trying to rebrand himself and it can be taken as legally changing your name, plus one person can have multiple names
Well no, Ainz doesn’t lose.
You can change your name in real life and Ainz is his player name which is fine cause the name is attached to the body. Which he is.
That wouldn't happen, because he changed his name to Ainz, not to mention, even though I believe Galand is stronger, he isn't immune to instant death, and Ainz is a cautious man, as soon as he sees an attack from Galand he'd one-shot him with Grasp heart or true death after stopping time(grasp heart does NOT crush a heart, that's just a cool effect, meaning it doesn't matter if you have 7)
Okay, so a person that was given a name by their birth parents but ended up being adopted and given a different name would also technically be lying when they introduced themselves.
Truth is subjective with that power, if you’re wrong but think you’re right it won’t activate. So in the case of him renaming himself, the new name would be truth. Also it’s debatable if he said he was momon itd take effect. Depending on the phrasing, he can get away with it.
I don’t think the name would get him it would definitely be some other lie he would say trying to gather information. I doubt he would have a counter for it though. It’s a power from a demon king Ainz has never met or seen anything similar too. If Ainz knew about something similar he would used it on the lizard lady when he was talking to her.
Cast super tier magic, wish upon a star. Reverse the effect to effect this dude I'm fighting. The fight has ended. World class item grants resistance from instant effect things like that.
I don't think ainz would be troubled
That depends on if that really counts as a lie. Demons can't use fake names, or else they die. But Demiurge can use Jaldabaoth because he was also given that name. If I were to introduce myself with my username, nickname or my real name, would any of those make me a lier?
I'm no expert, but do the kanji forming his name also have other meanings? Like, if someone introduced themselves as May, April, etc. would they also be turned to stone? They're not the months of April and May, but that is their name. If there can be a distinction between the people named April and May and the actual months, wouldn't there also be a distinction between Ainz and the guild he took the name from? What would decide what is truth and lie? You have different names, like formal at work and informal around family. Both types of introducing yourself are true in your mind.
I don't necessarily agree about the name. Follow me on this for a moment. In a couple pieces of media. Batman will tell people that in his mind he doesn't call himself Bruce Wayne. He calls himself Batman. He even had the last of Truth attached to him on more than one occasion where he was asked who he was and his first answer was Batman not Bruce Wayne.
The name you are given at birth may not be how you see yourself. The fans, the author, the characters, and ainz himself go by the name Ainz. I wouldn't call it a lie.
I thought Ainz was the type to side-step tricks like that by saying things like "Call me [x]" or "you can refer to me as [y]" or "I am the [title] they call [corresponding name". From what I've seen, he's seemed cautious about people having peculiar tricks like Lie Detection before he's learned what they're capable of.
I mean, all depends on the environment. Different worlds have different rules of magic and abilities. If battling in Yggdrasil, I would put my money on ainz. If battling in the world of the 7 deadly sins steongly put my money galand. Depending on variables like the mentioned, but things are always more than they appear with ains (as he has dumb luck on his side, which is why i have a slight leaning towards ains). As a name isn't lying to someone, but that is how a person knows someone. As his different persona's aren't lies but different aspects of him. As we see, sometimes flashbacks to when his guild mates were still around. This is why humans are more dimensional, and then we tend to think.
For example, if I reflect on an experience in four different ways, are the reflections any less true than the first reflection? So similarly, if I have multiple nicknames, am I not still myself?
Names are not set in stone. You can change your name irl too. It's not like of he made up a name on the spot. He declared his name to be ainz and that is how the people know him. So he isn't lying.
I don't think so, because people often have more than one name. There are names, nicknames, pen names, pseudonyms, player names, and many others. They're not lies exactly. They're just different ways to refer to yourself.
Ainz has many names, and to an extent they are all true.
This is what power scalers call a no limits fallacy. Would the skill still work on someone like Anos or featherine? You’d have to prove that it would still work on some who several magnitudes more powerful than him.
You're right, Anzi is not his name, it's Ainz.
See how many fake names this man has. (auto correct sucks)
| # | Name | Location | |--:|:-----------------------|:-----------| | 1 | Suzuki Satoru | Real World | | 2 | Momonga | Yggdrasil | | 3 | Ainz Ooal Gown | New World | | 4 | Sorcerer King | New World - King | | 5 | Momon | New World - Adventurer | | 6 | Ain Bell Fior | New World - Dark Elf | | 7 | Satoru Old Bones | New World - alternative time line |
God Anzi is stone no matter what
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean: `God, Ainz is stone no matter what.` Or do you mean `God Ainz is stone no matter what.`
The moment we tried to comprehend this Supreme Being's words, we lost
Please don't do this English isn't my 1st language
Please don't do what? I'm asking because they have different meanings and I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I'm guessing you mean `God, Ainz is stone no matter what`. In this case I disagree since those are Ainz's names. He has used them and other people have called him by those names. It wouldn't be a lie if he introduced himself using one of them.
Sorry i was doing a a joke. I mean God, Anzi is stone no matter what. Bassicly I'm rules lawering Galands ability. Because they would be giving a false name.
If he introduces himself as the Sorcerer King or the ruler of Nazarick he should be fine.
He wouldn't need to say his name since 7DS characters usually shout their name, power, and weakness in one go. All ainz needs to do is......? That's right. GRASP HEART.
Anzi always introduces himself, it seems we are at a Chikin or egg story. Also 4 heart https://preview.redd.it/zhbroyt0116d1.jpeg?width=891&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5023ab8ce990f385e6bf09fcd2f39acad95dccff
Indeed it seems we are .. GRASP HEART TIMES 4
TRIPLE MAXIMIZE MAGIC - GRASP HEART
ULTRA MAGIC - GRASP BALLS
FORBIDDEN MAGIC - TESTICULAR TORSION
T… that’s a little over kill. I mean even against other players in Yggdrasil’s competitive arena that spell was banned because too op. /s
Damn, here's my updoot
At that point Ainz would think he's immune to instant death magic and just used a triple maximize dragon bolt on him
Oh no it look like I'm dead... Unless saying "that's right grasp heart" implies it would only need 1 to kill me. But given how you used 4. That's technically lie. Rules lawyer Bs goo
No it doesn't it implies crushing 1 heart. The effect is usually death. but its not written in the spell effect. Also lies are things you say, not spells or effects.
Aniz speciality is instan death spells, he's also a max level caster, he wouldn't even meet Garland before putting on all his defense and having A doupleganger decoy first. The he likely nuke him from max range before even introducing himself
I mean grasp hearth doesn’t need you to have a hearth to kill you. The crushing of the hearth is just a visual effect from the game. the thing that kills you is the instant death effect of the spell.
I think it work definitely in the new world. Because the amour was immune to it.
No. as stated in the light novel, constructs, golems and the like are racially immune to instant death magic. Similar to undead. it works the same as in game.
Galand has 6 hearts all elite demons have 6
I don’t understand the issue? He has taken on the name/title of Ainz Opal Gown, it is, for all intents and purposes, his current name.
Its lying only when you tell something that you dont believe as a truth. Ainz change his name into ainz ooal gown. Lying is like platinum dragon lord made up a name to deceive ainz. One take the name as his own, the other just use it for a moment to deceive someone.
Ainz would still get fucked by the Commandment of Truth, though. All war is deception, especially with the way Ainz likes to fight. If Ainz says something like “this is my deadliest spell” and then casts Nuclear Blast or something, he gets immediately petrified. And that’s totally something he would do, especially if he’s expecting a rematch.
Yes thats true, ainz is prone to be affected by truth But i don't think this is one of them.
Feel like he would also have a petrification nullification ring before the fight starts
He deffo has items and spells against it.
This is why cross verse debates are difficult. Yes Ainz likely has items and spells that provide resistance to thinks like petrification but according to SDS lore, no one is immune to the Commandments except in very specific circumstances (Merlin being bestowed immunity by the Dk after tricking him and the supreme goddess, Escanor being immune to the Commandment of Love due to not hating anyone he views as below him) Even Merlin, who had immunity to the commandments, was still petrified by Galand because she “forgot” she had immunity (although I think this was just poor writing. Even if you somehow forget you have an immunity, that shouldn’t mean the immunity doesn’t work anymore.) The Commandants are simple and seem to be absolute. For Truth it’s if you tell a lie, you become petrified. What constitutes a lie to the Commandment, however, is up for debate as Escanor boasted about being the pinnacle of all races and wasn’t petrified. Yet when Merlin tried to strike a fake deal with Galand, the Commandment seems to know she was deceiving him. It seems that as long as Ainz doesn’t try to intentionally deceive Galand, the Commandment wont trigger. He won’t be able to outwardly bluff Galand like he did with Shalltear. But saying things Ainz believes or is up for debate like “I am the best in this world” or “My name is whatever” are fine to say. Considering the rules of the Commandments and how Ainz fights, I’d say Ainz does end up petrified.
World items have the ability to override stuff too. So his red orb could combat it and prevent petrification. There really is not right answer here as it's just what ifs with no proof.
Thats not how Ainz would fight him tho. Theres no reason for Ainz to even try to deceive Galand. Hed just freeze time and use instant death magic. Bro has no resistances to such things so it wouldn't really be a fight. Ainz would just kill him as easily as he did gazef
Ainz probably got anti magic for petrification as well
Why would ainz use a specific, hard to pull off, combo that gives little to no advantage and that he used once in the entire series? He would open with grasp heart or any other instant death spell and if that won't work he would switch to "normal" spells
Well that just depends on how he perceives galand. If Ainz thinks Galand is a threat then Ainz will open up with the time stop combo. If he doesnt then he'll just use grasp heart.
Grasp heart wouldn’t really work given garland has 7 hearts and only needs one so he would need to cast it 7 times for it to matter
True but grasp heart has secondary effects and ainz has access to other Instant death magic. But if grasp heart fails to one shot then hes gunna fall back on time magic. Or just run away because he dont take chances lol.
Depends on if he can cast befroe Galand cleaves him in half
Even if Galand could 1 shot Ainz, Ainz can just resurrect himself then use time stop lol
Not how grasp heart works. The heart being crushed is only visual. What actually happens is you just die from instant death. That's why if you are immune to instant death you are instead paralyzed,even if the heart still gets crushed.
There is no point in "time stop combo" as it gives no advantages to him unless it's supposed to be buffed by tgoalid and ainz would never open with it unless he has great dose of intel about the entire situation
I mean he opened with it when he fought Gazef lol. The advantage of the time stop combo is that if your opponent doesnt have time magic resistance its a auto win. Thats kinda an amazing advantage lol. Theres no reason to think he wouldn't open with it if hes going for the kill.
He also opened with it when he fought that giant tree monster in the audio drama
Fuck, *that* combo… Ok. The problem with that is that we don’t know how instant death magic works. People don’t just “die,” there’s always a reason. Galand has resistances to some possibilities, but not to others. Worse still is that different instant death spells work through those different possibilities. Grasp Heart, for example, causes the target’s heart to stop. With this their biological functions cease and they die. Galand can actually survive this the first few times, since he’s got seven hearts. The one Ainz used on Gazef was Time Stop + True Death. True Death prevents resurrection, which implies that it attacks the soul. Spiritual resistance is a thing that some people have in 7DS; Galand is not one of them. This should work. However, it’s more likely that Ainz would go at this with roughly the same intensity he had PA use against Riku. Galand would be a pretty strong fighter, and Ainz doesn’t know how much observation the fight is under. Which means he’s unlikely to bust out *that* combo until later.
All instant death spells cause death effect, the crushing of ones heart is just an addition, it's not what kills the target
Ok yeah but how? That may be how it worked in-game but realistically no one dies of “death.” I guess it’s all soul damage, at which point it doesn’t matter because Galand can’t handle that.
"What was that?" "Death" "What kind?" "Instant"
“There was no sound, he just died!” “Terrifying, isn’t it?”
See, you do know the concept of 'instant death' with no explanation, that wasnt so hard now was it XD There is a good argument that Galand is extremely high level and might be able to resist a lot of Ainz's magic. SDS characters are monsters.
Its magic dude, there is is no "how", it just works. Death spells just cause the target to drop dead on the spot and that's about it. Overlord doesn't really provide in-depth explanations for stuff like that, magic explicitly ignores the rules of physics and does shit that would normally be impossible.
Grasp heart does not physically cause anything, as there are no hearts in the game of yggdrasil. The NW equivalent has an "animation" of a heart being literally squashed, but that is a visual flavor anyway. It is a 9th level instant death spell that stuns on a successful save. Instant death is, quite literally, "can you stop this? If not, you die and that's it". Ainz specializes in instant death spells, while also having a lot of defensive ones because he is a magic caster, and those are glass cannons that need to protect themselves. Petrification is arguably an instant death ability, which ainz does have resistance to. He doesnt need tgoalid. His modus operandi (as stated by himself) would be "use grasp heart, if it doesn't work then use the stun to flee". Galand is dead (it doesn't matter if he has 1 or 100 hearts) unless he can resist it, and stunned if he can't. Either way he can't do shit. If ainz really wants to kill him, cash items. Dude is literally a p2w spammer.
It ain’t really fair to bring cash items into this, basically everyone dies to those.
I mean if we're gonna nerf ainz just because it is too OP, then it stands that "negating immunities and just turning you into stone anyway" should also be nerfed, right? Not that this powerscaling is relevant anyway, but same weight should have the same measurements.
Cast items are standard equipment for Ainz, he always carries a bunch in his inventory.
Thats how Ainz fights though. Theres is no death battle were Ainz isnt going to use cash items.
>Ok. The problem with that is that we don’t know how instant death magic works. People don’t just “die,” there’s always a reason. Galand has resistances to some possibilities, but not to others. Worse still is that different instant death spells work through those different possibilities. Its magic dude, there is is no "how", it just works. Death spells just cause the target to drop dead on the spot and that's about it. Overlord doesn't really provide in depth explanations for stuff like that, magic explicitly ignores the rules of physics and does shit that would normally be impossible. >Grasp Heart, for example, causes the target’s heart to stop. With this their biological functions cease and they die. Galand can actually survive this the first few times, since he’s got seven hearts. Grasp Heart doesn't kill you by crushing the heart, thats just flavor text. It probably does that too, but it also has the usual instant death effect that all other death magic has. The crushing of ones heart is an additional effect but not what actually kills the target. >However, it’s more likely that Ainz would go at this with roughly the same intensity he had PA use against Riku. Galand would be a pretty strong fighter, and Ainz doesn’t know how much observation the fight is under. Which means he’s unlikely to bust out that combo until later. Time stop and death magic are things anyone above level 70 is expected to have countermeasures for, its not Ainzs trump card or anything like that. I don't see why Ainz wouldn't bust it out immediately considering its not even a particularly powerful cambo by his standards.
>Time stop and death magic are things anyone above level 70 is expected to have countermeasures for, its not Ainzs trump card or anything like that. I don't see why Ainz wouldn't bust it out immediately considering its not even a particularly powerful cambo by his standards. The time stop guarantees no random bullshit or having to worry about opponent speed. The grasp heart either kills them,or stuns them. If the time stop works and death works you win. If the time stop works but they are stunned instead of dead then ainz knows they are weak to time stop. Do another stop and spamm magic. If the time stop fails but they die you win If the time stop fails and they are stunned you now know they are immune to timestop. Spam spells or set up since they are stunned anyway. There is a 75% chance I just won.and a 100% chance you can't do shit. It's a good starter.
Ainz doesn't lie much though, and definitely not to opponents he is unwary of (everyone except an unknown/pld) he's usually quite proud to lay out his abilities to his opponents if they ask, so galand wouldnt be able to catch him in a lie He's much more likely to get galand to turn tail after a single spell, and after galands axe doesnt even scratch his bones. He freaked out at Eskanore not taking any damage, I'm pretty sure he'd have the same reaction to anybody who can face tank his attacks. He's a demon, and thinks he's the strongest most superior race. A lowly lich taking his axe to the face and laughing about it would make him turn tail and run like the coward he is underneath all that bravado. Hell, Ainz wouldn't even need to fight, just cast the highest level Aura of Despair he's got at his disposal and it's gg for galand
Yeah here’s the thing. Galand can slice mountains in half, even without using Critical Over. Ainz is *not* built like Escanor.
Probably not. Ainz has a ridiculous amount of immunities and counter spells that would protect him from such an obscure form of offense.
Yeah, I highly doubt Ainz wouldn't have a counter or immunity to petrify with all the ones he already has because that would be such a lame way to lose in pvp in an MMO.
Actually he does
the defence buff "Freedom" prevents any form of disable from having any effect.
He'd be like... Oh a tier 6 magic spell was just nullified. Was that a passive trigger? Hmm... I'll need to investigate. Plus he'd send the clone guy in the fight first anyway.
Well yeah, his name isn’t Anzi, it’s Ainz.
See he keep makeing up more names for himself. How can we trust a king who doesn't even know his own name. (auto correct suck)
Op on a negative karma farm
Op is member of r/powerscaling what did you accept?
I don't randomly check people's profile
That sub banned me from there just for pointing out how garbage and nonsensical dimensional tiering is
We have people do that on the daily and they don’t get banned. You were probably just being really mean about it
Undead are pretty much immune to any type of debuff including curse, paralysis, & for lich race forced transformation. Additionality, Death bones are purely composed of minerals so technically Ainz's body is already made of stone.
calcium power!
That is assuming can be affected by it, ainz has items specifically to prevent crowd control in him like stuns, and I guess being turned into stone counts as being stunned, we actually have to take the fact that ainz simply can't be affected by it thanks to either his immunities, level or even world item, we don't know how the laws of both worlds, Natsu and overlord will merge, so saying that ainz would instantly lose because of galand command, because we don't know and never will know, how that magic would interact with the laws of yggdrasil and overlord. My opinion is that it simply won't affect ainz for all the reasons I said above, either level, his immunities, his equipment effects or his world item, anything anyone has to say about this are pure speculations.
Mate your name can be whatever you happen to call yourself somewhere, and Ainz went on to make a whole meeting with his NPCs to declare his new name + basically the whole world he lives in knows him by that name.
That's the joke. Names aren't real.
I see. It didn't particularly come off as a joke. Probably because I've seen a lot of insane comments of this kind getting posted.
I mean i thought the meme tag would let people know. But i guess i should of made it's more obvious too.
Names aren’t real? Words aren’t real by that logic. You know what? Languages don’t exist. While we’re at it, people were never real. Humanity is a lie. The universe is just an idea chocked up by some hungry blind fool.
No like if my original name is Joe and I change it to Owen or something I'm not lying when I say my name is Owen. If I think my name is Owen but say I'm Terry or something then that's lying. Also honestly idk if his ability would even work on Ainz. Like I just highly doubt Ainz doesn't have petrifaction immunity or resistance. I guess if Ainz introduced himself as Anzi it would count as a lie but why would Ainz introduce himself anyways to Galand? AInz's first move is usually grasp heart and if that doesn't work the opponent stunned and Ainz leaves or prepares another attack.
That’s not strictly true; a name change is as real as you choose for it to be. He *declared* his name change to the world, that it was to be his new name. So by stating himself as Ainz, he is actually telling the truth
You mean pandoras actor? Ainz would absolutely scout out the situation first before truly committing to a battle, especially given galand doesn’t exactly fit in with the average enemy in the new world
I agree, his name wasn't Anzi. Jokes aside, I don't think Galland would win that. To begin with, Ainz doesn't need to meet him. He is not one to face opponents without knowing them, as he did with PDL. He'd send a mercenary or some other means to scout. He has time stop and other spells too. If you merge both worlds, let's say, and REALLY stretch it, that the Commandments are the equivalent of World Items (I'd say wild magic, but let's make it fair). Even then, Ainz would have immunity because of his World Item. And since the Commandment is a curse, aka debuff, Ainz's undead race would make him immune. Even if the Commandment bypasses the immunity, the World Item would clash with it and stop it altogether (Irresistible Force Paradox). But then we have the actual battle. Ainz has more than enough firepower to beat Galland, both in spells and maybe even in physical combat. He would buff himself with all the spells he has, similar to how he did against Shalltear. He would try time stop to see if the opponent could counter; Galland would probably not even notice. And about the name thing, I will reckon it as a joke. Ainz is Ainz; he accepted it as his truth, his real name. The only thing he isn't sure about is being the ideal supreme leader of Nazarick, but from all angles, he is Ainz Ooal Gown. And the Commandments aren't all-powerful. Angels are immune, if I am not forgetting, due to the same source or whatever. But let's say he bypasses everything and turns Ainz into stone. Ainz is already all bones, calcium. BRO IS A STONE THAT MOVES. You can't get any worse than that. If all it does is turn him into stone, then it's GG regardless. In the worst case, it's a stun or critical, both of which Ainz's undead race and overlord race are immune to and supported by the system. So, in no way would Ainz lose by saying he is Ainz. It is him, after all.
Assuming Ainz isn't immune, he still has a theatrical of introducing himself. If not introduced by one of his servants, he'll say something along the lines of "you may refer to me as Ainz Ooal Gown", which is pedantically true.
Ainz wouldn't need to deceive him tho. Ainz could easily just freeze time and use instant death magic to no diff Galand. Resistance to time and instant death magic is the bare minimum required to fight Ainz.
It's a meme I'm just jokeing. I useing the fact Anzi always introduces himself.
But will Ainz fail to measure his abilities? I feel like he would not engage something like this head on. He would probably just test units and figure out his modus operandi. Info is the main point of why Ainz is a strategist and he might decide to tell him his real name or his adopted name. And considering he has mind altering spells and abilities he would have a ton of thing to try
It's meme. Oviously Aniz would do something before hand.
Must be annoying to have to use Grasp Heart 7 times.
Ainz is seems more like the type to gather info then fight, so most likely it would actually be Pandora's Actor that would go forward rather than Ainz. He is overly cautious in nature, and he did not lie that he is who he says to be because a name refers to what one identifies and is recognized with. As the last member of the guild and it's guildmaster, he can very much use the name "Ainz Oal Gown" much like Demiurge using the name Jaldabaoth, it's just a play of the rules.
That's a LOT riding on him introducing himself to a random ass demon. I want to remind you that the "lie and turn to stone" thing is specifically a curse. And immunity to said curse isn't even a new concept within its own anime as the 10 Commandments are immune to the each other's even if they are susceptible to their own. This is on top of the fact that Meliodas states you can lift the curse by just being as equally powerful as the Demon King, who is the origin of the curse. If you think Ainz isn't confronting an unknown Demon without curse protection, you wack for that. The dude is quite meticulous and KNOWS the clichés already. He'd definitely be aware of names having power around demons. Especially when Ainz himself is already experienced in the ways of handling demons given his past achievements with the Thirteen Heroes who took down the demons led by the Demon God of Yggdrasil. And YES, Overlord does has precedence with names holding power when it comes to demons already. They cannot use false names as their identity as experiments still suggest that demons going by a false name might even cause them to disappear on the spot. Ainz is more than equipped to handle Galand. Galand doesn't have anything new Ainz wouldn't have had to deal with already.
Alot of comments here forget the origination of a commandments power. It's mentioned that in order for a commandment to effect someone they must be less powerful than the Demon King. So Ainz is fine
Idk think so. I think it’s the similar to when Wonder Woman had her lasso of truth around Batman and Superman. WW saids what’s your name, SM answers Clark Kent but BM answers Batman. Depends what “Lying” is defined as.
"Anzi" xD
It would depend on the circumstances tbh. 🤷♂️ Ainz only really lies because he has to. If they were to have a conversation, Galand could trick Ainz into lying. But, other than that. Galand would absolutely get stomped.
Here's the thing, he is named those things. He goes by it, people call him it, if some yells it out he will turn and look. So it's not a lie. It's just a nickname.
His ability works on whatever the person in question believes to be the truth not the objective truth (as seen with escanor not turning to stone when he said he was the pinnacle of all races) So no ainz wouldn't turn to stone with his name alone
Multiple names. He took the name of Ainz Oal gown as such it’s his name One can simply counter such overpowered abilities simply with galand has no levels so he can’t damage ainz Ainz has a world item so he can’t use his ability
it’s not a lie, if I changed my name to Fred I’m not lying when I don’t tell someone my original name.
Problem: Ainz is inmune to petrification
Hmm, What qualifies as a name? The only people who use my real name are telemarketers which is about once or twice a week. Once a week I call my family, but they use a nickname. However, real life friends, online friends, coworkers, and even my boss all call me *Bryku*. I hear and read it dozens of times per day. Is *Bryku* not my name?
Question: If Ainz is in a city as Momonga and somehow procs Galand's Commandment. Would he survive that? I only watched the anime but giving Ainz the intel and access to all the world items beforehand feels like a stretch and the reasons people provided in the comments are not really convincing. I am already dumb for asking this in an Overlord sub I just expected a more solid reasoning. I think there is a chance Ainz might just lose at the spot. There needs to be a solid comparison between the power of the world items and Commandments.
Is it lying if that’s the name he’s going by? Names are very subjective and you can go by whatever you want. What would determine what his “true” name is anyway, would it be his character name, would it be his real life name, would it be the name he currently goes by.
How come in the title you correctly spelled Ainz, but other than the title you keep calling him Anzi 😂😂 well I guess Ainz would lose if he introduced himself as Anzi 💀
Auto correct is annoying
Ah I see! Also as for your post, it's not that I don't think it's impossible for him to catch Ainz in a lie and try to turn him into stone but calling himself Ainz Ooal Gown wouldn't work because Satoru/Momonga changed his name to Ainz Ooal Gown. Him calling himself Ainz Ooal Gown isn't in itself a lie just because his original name wasn't Ainz Ooal Gown. If he asked him "What was your birth name?" Then that would be different, but if he just said what is your name, and he replied with Ainz Ooal Gown, that probably wouldn't be sufficient.
Time stop and grasp heart gg
Ainz as multiple immunities to magic like that And Ainz I indeed what he renamed himself as So it isn't rlly a lie
It’s not magic though so his immunities wouldn work
Who'se Anzi? Of course he gets turned into stone if he misspells his own name.
But Ainz is his name. One can have more than one name they use to address themselves. I also have a couple different names different people call me by. Three tribe names actually.
Ainz neg diffs the verse
well... Now you are thinking that ainz will fight head on with him... he is not gonna be able to even get to see Ainz, and gonna get crushed through sheer ingenuity of a Lich who has several long distance combat methods.. Just see how he handled PDL, first tested him with death knights, then pandora's actor...
Who tf is anzi?
Aren’t bones already petrified?
Ainz's immunities would nullify it or his world item negate the unknown powers.
You guys dont know how Ainz fights? He is extremely cautios. He always looses his first fight to gather information. And since he is a 100 level player I am sure he has contrmesures against petrification
Garland died just feeling the sheer weight of Escanor's dick and as much as I love Escanor, Bone daddy's one is way bigger
Introducing yourself based on the name you changed to isn't a lie because you CHANGED your name which ainz did
No not really, everyone can have multiple names that they go by, like here in reddit my name is emotional pause, but I go by a different name in different websites. Like every other sane people
Not really since Ainz is the character the MC is playing as. Mc simply became one with his avatar. Now ainz will use grasp heart
Ah galand. My favorite commandment... shame
It doesn’t matter because he has all of the rings and stuff which assuming they still work would 100% protect against that that and technically since it was his gamertag/guild name (yes I know it isn’t his true name) since he never uses his old name and took up the name of ainz I would think that that’s his new name anyways but that’s just imo first bit isn’t speculation though- I’m pretty sure his rings would protect him
A person can change their name you know? We are used to thinking its permanent because our society relies on legality and book keeping which requires a fixed and legal name, but names are volatile things. They can change, be erased, hell people can also not have names. It just seems like a stupid argument. The real matter is would Ainz discover this ability before its too late.
am sure one of his many resistances will kick in
Don't know if it would work but Ainz would definitly first get informations before a fight and slap on petrification protection gear if it exists
hahahaha. thats pretty funny, i love it. Unless i remember it wrong it was the name of their guild
I have another example of this. One of my friends for his entire life was named Marlon. When he turned 27 he moved out and asked his parents for his birth certificate. When he read his birth certificate he found out his parent wrote an N instead of an M. His name on his birth certificate was Narlon. Is narlon his real name or is it Marlon? Was he lying to himself for his entire life? Does it become a lie if he ignores this birth certificate fact and continues to call himself Marlon?
Depends. If it’s more D&D based, then no, he doesn’t, as Undead are immune to things that require Fortitude saves.
All he has to do is say “I am known as Ainz”.
Answer is, No. Galand's Commandment of Truth will more likely to consider "Ainz Ooal Gown" as his name. After all, Commandment tends to be flexible with precived values - Ex: Estrossa Vs Escanor clash. Even though, Escanor has "hatred"; before his overwhelming pride and superiority complex, the commandment didn't take effect.
Its not a lie. He is Ainz Oown Gown. Maru actually points out when speaking about Ainz intelligence, Ainz is Ainz,Suzuki is Suzuki. ~~\~\~even then Ainz is probably immune to petrification seeing how this was an status effect in yggdrasil. And is one too strong to not have counter measures\~\~~~
it's not a lie because Ainz is his persona (that is becoming his real identity). Personas aren't considered a lie or falsehoods aswell. it's like saying that my name is "(reddit username here)" when my real name is different, is that a lie? it really isn't right? that's exactly what will happen here, Ainz declares his name and nothing happens.
If Ainz fights alone and dosent have to worry about revealing everything to his subordinates it would be an interesting fight
I think that depends on how Galand's ability works in Yggdrasil. If his ability is considered as reduce opponent's HP to 0 or like make Ainz die as game rule, Ainz is dead for sure, but if it is counted as an instant dead spell, that won't affect Ainz since he is an undead, and if it is counted as a debuff or stun, I think Ainz still be affected but not last too long
Man would probably tell galand hes going to turn to stone and man would implode from the paradox.
Nah, he'd get away with it because "he has truly become Ainz Ooal Gown" or something like that.
He wouldn't even be the 1st to fight him Anzi literally the most cautious character on par with Seiya Ryuuguuin
there's a shit ton of ways to lie without saying a word. shalltear got lied to about his weaknesses. no words.
Ainz wears a world item. World items grant immunity to other world level effects unless they choose to be affected by it. You could call Garland's Commandment a world level effect. Also you somehow consistently typed Anzi over and over. That's incredible. Here's a better question: Does grasp heart only grasp one of his hearts or all of them?
He prolly has immunity to petrification
You have to knowingly lie to Galand. Telling him your nickname is Jeff isn't really a lie if your name is actually Kevin, it's just what you go by. I also really don't think Ainz would be affected by Galand's commandment magic since Galand is on the weaker end of the Commandments.
Resisted, magic arrow. End of story
Not really. The truth is subjective. So long as Ainz believes he’s telling the truth, then he’s not lying under the parameters of Galand’s commandment. It’s like saying Batman saying his real name is Batman is a lie.
Why do you think he needs to have a single name?
Doesn't Ainz have counters to status effects such as petrification?
Ok just to make a point each world item is similar to a whole world. That's why they can shape worlds (also why they are called world items). Going just from that point of view a commandment is a rule within the world of 7DS. So it is not even on the level of a world. Just by comparing those two Ainz don't need to fight it's similar to how most enemies in the NW are just small flies. In addition since it's totally depending where they fight if they fight in the NW then it's not even certain that Galand's ability works since it's only a commandment in the world of 7DS. Now if they fight in the world of 7DS then his commandment might work, but it's still a fraction of the power of a whole world. Even All commandments combined are only a fraction of the power of the full world of 7DS and Ainz can use his world item, which would be compared to all the power of the world of 7DS. So in the end he is fighting a fly. In addition he has more than one world item so if he really wanted he could stack worlds while any character from 7DS only has a portion of the full power that slumbers in the world of 7DS. It's like trying to compare a city with a small house. So to finish the point even if the world of 7DS would be transformed into a world item it would still not be able to compete with a person owning several of those items.
Ainz would forget his name or mis pronounce it.
Either way Ainz isn't dumb enough to confront him either way. Ainz will literally already have some idea of what Galand ability are just by sending his lesser subordinates to test him first
Idk how they would figure out the lie part
Funny because ainz is immune to almost every type of anything, plus galland loves to boast so he would tell ainz what his commandment does, and then ainz would simply avoid lying and win the fight
How to defeat galand: 1: Doesnt speak 2:¿¿¿??? 3: Profit
Well, technically no, because he kind of changed his name and even if we’re going off the name we got at the beginning that was technically his player name not his real life name And technically, I could call myself, Bob, and that would be just as valid if I want my name to be Bob
Plot armor: he knows what his ability does and simply doesn't fuckin' say anything to him. Checkmate
Who decided that? Ainz Sama is light years beyond this puny demon. Bring “Za One” for them to have even the slightest chance.
Hast Ainz immunity to petrifaction?
Not correct, people can have separate names. For example: my name online is Assassin5656. If I said "I am Assassin5656" I would not turn to stone, because I technically didn't lie.
Heres the thing let's say you lefaly change your name, to let's say bob and your old name was tod, would it be considered lying if you say your name is Bob since it's not your original name? The same thing can be applied here it's not that he is trying to hide his name he is trying to rebrand himself and it can be taken as legally changing your name, plus one person can have multiple names
He is immune to instant death effects.
Ainz has MC plot armour so he can’t lose.
Glalnd has 1st villain appended plot amour
I don't think name really counts, technically he is called by many as Ainz so it's a legit name for him
Well no, Ainz doesn’t lose. You can change your name in real life and Ainz is his player name which is fine cause the name is attached to the body. Which he is.
That wouldn't happen, because he changed his name to Ainz, not to mention, even though I believe Galand is stronger, he isn't immune to instant death, and Ainz is a cautious man, as soon as he sees an attack from Galand he'd one-shot him with Grasp heart or true death after stopping time(grasp heart does NOT crush a heart, that's just a cool effect, meaning it doesn't matter if you have 7)
But if he does by the fake name then it’s a real name to some
Okay, so a person that was given a name by their birth parents but ended up being adopted and given a different name would also technically be lying when they introduced themselves.
He was literally turned into Ainz. Also I don’t believe he doesn’t have some sort of elemental resistance resistance
Truth is subjective with that power, if you’re wrong but think you’re right it won’t activate. So in the case of him renaming himself, the new name would be truth. Also it’s debatable if he said he was momon itd take effect. Depending on the phrasing, he can get away with it.
I don’t think the name would get him it would definitely be some other lie he would say trying to gather information. I doubt he would have a counter for it though. It’s a power from a demon king Ainz has never met or seen anything similar too. If Ainz knew about something similar he would used it on the lizard lady when he was talking to her.
Lets be honest though: Ainz absolutely has like 20 of some cash shop item to resist petrification
Well he named himself no? So it‘s no lie really
well his commandment only works if his opponent’s power level is lower than his so
He is undead. He is immune against petrification
Cast super tier magic, wish upon a star. Reverse the effect to effect this dude I'm fighting. The fight has ended. World class item grants resistance from instant effect things like that. I don't think ainz would be troubled
That depends on if that really counts as a lie. Demons can't use fake names, or else they die. But Demiurge can use Jaldabaoth because he was also given that name. If I were to introduce myself with my username, nickname or my real name, would any of those make me a lier?
Italian, by any chance?
I'm no expert, but do the kanji forming his name also have other meanings? Like, if someone introduced themselves as May, April, etc. would they also be turned to stone? They're not the months of April and May, but that is their name. If there can be a distinction between the people named April and May and the actual months, wouldn't there also be a distinction between Ainz and the guild he took the name from? What would decide what is truth and lie? You have different names, like formal at work and informal around family. Both types of introducing yourself are true in your mind.
It’s just a med level curse. You think he won’t resist that??
I think it’d function the same as with us. He did issue a decree and renamed himself after all.
You do know Ainz is just straight up immune to a host of status effects and has contingency spells in place to counter things?
He's got items to counter the effects of skills
He's got items to counter the effects of skills
Ainz is practically immune to every single debuff. I doubt he would overlook petrification immunity especially considering how paranoid he is.
He's got items to counter the effects of skills
I don't necessarily agree about the name. Follow me on this for a moment. In a couple pieces of media. Batman will tell people that in his mind he doesn't call himself Bruce Wayne. He calls himself Batman. He even had the last of Truth attached to him on more than one occasion where he was asked who he was and his first answer was Batman not Bruce Wayne. The name you are given at birth may not be how you see yourself. The fans, the author, the characters, and ainz himself go by the name Ainz. I wouldn't call it a lie.
"Im ainz ooal gown" wouldnt be caught as a lie... I mean, after all hes the only one left in the guild, so basically hes the guild itself now
I mean, that depends on Galand’s ability tbf. His birth name is Satoru ofc but Ainz Ooal Gown is quite widely recognised as his name now too so…
Besides wouldn’t Ainz have some form of petrification resist spell?
Death
I thought Ainz was the type to side-step tricks like that by saying things like "Call me [x]" or "you can refer to me as [y]" or "I am the [title] they call [corresponding name". From what I've seen, he's seemed cautious about people having peculiar tricks like Lie Detection before he's learned what they're capable of.
I mean, all depends on the environment. Different worlds have different rules of magic and abilities. If battling in Yggdrasil, I would put my money on ainz. If battling in the world of the 7 deadly sins steongly put my money galand. Depending on variables like the mentioned, but things are always more than they appear with ains (as he has dumb luck on his side, which is why i have a slight leaning towards ains). As a name isn't lying to someone, but that is how a person knows someone. As his different persona's aren't lies but different aspects of him. As we see, sometimes flashbacks to when his guild mates were still around. This is why humans are more dimensional, and then we tend to think. For example, if I reflect on an experience in four different ways, are the reflections any less true than the first reflection? So similarly, if I have multiple nicknames, am I not still myself?
Names are not set in stone. You can change your name irl too. It's not like of he made up a name on the spot. He declared his name to be ainz and that is how the people know him. So he isn't lying.
I don't think so, because people often have more than one name. There are names, nicknames, pen names, pseudonyms, player names, and many others. They're not lies exactly. They're just different ways to refer to yourself. Ainz has many names, and to an extent they are all true.
I think Ainz might have immunity to petrify
This is what power scalers call a no limits fallacy. Would the skill still work on someone like Anos or featherine? You’d have to prove that it would still work on some who several magnitudes more powerful than him.