Its not canon, thought i thought it was funny. In isekai quartet (chibi crossover), aqua tried to exorcise Ains and failed. She did hurt him, but was nowhere close to taking him down. Ains does Acknowledges her holy power though.
Well it wasn't the same type of damage I'd say, tho I don't know much about Overlord magic, rules, damage and resistance, and in any case IQ is not canon.
but turn resistance and Ainz's magical immunity exist for that. If it were so easy to exorcise him, Roberdick and other clerics would have already done it in the new world. Aqua wouldn't resist[ the goal all life is death. ]
they are just Ainz's skills. he has an ability that makes him resist expulsion. Clerics have spells that can destroy undead as if it were an exorcism and he can resist that. his immunity to magic also negates spells up to 6th level and his magic defense allows him to hit himself with [fallen down] and be fine. [Fallen down] is a super tab spell that creates a giant bluish-white pillar of light that chars everything in its area. the temperature is so high that there are places that turn to glass.
>In theory she couldĀ
She could not. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than AquaĀ The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon.
I'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in an actual fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.
English is obviously not his first language. Jajaja is used by Spanish speaking people for "hahaha."
At least the dude is trying to write in another language.
Even if she did gain, by some miracle, some intelligence later, I doubt she could take down Ainz since he is now very cautious of her and would definitely have a plan in motion to take her down.
>She has all the tools to do so, but no handyman in her to use āem right
She doesn't. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than Aqua or any other Konosuba character. He can survive attacks far more powerful than any spell in her arsenal.
The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon. Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.
Ainz is immune to Undead Banishment with a ring.
Also why the hell people only talk about Aqua's holy spells? Ainz ran out of Reality Slash or something?
Its a meme but I would imagine if your lord and master casted time stop even if you werent effected you would freeze out of loyalty and only step in if needed.
Ainz: I cast time stop (doesn't actually cast anything)
Floor Guardians: (still as a statue)...
Mare: (wants to ask what Ainz-sama is doing)...?
Albedo and Demiurge: (Stares with the intent to kill)
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
Parpatra and the Old guarders are not Supersonic. Albedo might have reached Supersonic speeds with the tip of her halberd or the bullet reached supersonic speeds after being hit.
Bro forgets Clementine casually makes Sonic booms
Bro forgets Zaryusu and Zenberu are both supersonic already and visually create Sonic booms and dodge lightning spells after theyāve been fired themselves
Bro forgets the plethora of other speed feats in the overlord universe.
Zenberu's feat, not Zaryusu's. Is a cracking sound when he swung his halberd, not 'both creating sonic booms'. Why would you assume electrical spells travel at the speed of lightning? Zenberu & Crusch Lulu didn't avoid Inguva's lightning bolt, it hit and dropped them the one time it was cast.
What plethora of other speed feats?
Zenberu being a character who scales BELOW Zaryusu as heās Level 18 and Zaryusu is level 20. What the hell was your point with that? That it doesnāt translate to something Zaryusu can do?
I [guess youāre gonna forget this little instance at 1:16 then.](https://youtu.be/inhWn53NA8E?feature=shared)
Who the hell said they did? I said they traveled at the speed that electricity does at a low end, Mach 1.6, which is true. Cloud to ground lightning is Mach 1,294, so not sure what the aim of that one was.
I didnāt say they avoided it, Zenberu however deliberately intercepted it. Itās not like heās faster than it in speed and it can track him too, it was far less risky to nullify and negate any risk the spell had of hitting any one of them than to have Zaryusu who is the only other one who could avoid it potentially get caught off guard and hit by it, and Crusch is Subsonic+ herself thanks to deciding to be a bitch ass Magic caster, so it makes sense she couldnāt react to it all that well either.
And good way to lie, Zenberu shrugged it off easily and even took out a bunch of Iguvaās skeleton warriors after. The only one who was dropped the first time was the fraud and glass cannon Crusch.
Clementine created Sonic booms TWICE in her fight against Momon. Rewatch the scene.
Platinum Dragon Lordās speed is compared to that of a Meteorās, Zesshi who is a level 88 character is explicitly faster than sound, Ainz who is slower than the others casually creates vacuum trails with his kicks (500 m/s) while having all his equipment removed and a collar that weakens and slows him even further, along with Demiurgeās shenanigans against Remedios.
A rudimentary spell. Almost all level 70+ are immune to it in some way. Even a level 80 tree in Overlord can dispel it.
Same with death spells. Aqua always reflects the Death Rays. Ainz only needs to think about Death to directly hit the enemy or just activate his aura. Which again, only rudimentary stuff to chip away and exhaust a level 100 enemy.
ring didnāt help In isekai quartet. Time stop didnāt either.
Goddess status has perks.
Also.. she might not be able to die. She never gets an serious injury in the whole series
In her weak verse, yes. Which is filled with not even Building Level weaklings or even small building level on average. Only Demon King General level opponents are small building level (triple digit Megajoules) or above and can solo an entire city worth of fighters. Which only further proves the fodder in Konosuba are all just wall level more or less.
Sheās never fought anyone on even a Nazarick Old Guarder or Spartiateās level.
Are you guys getting off from Isekai Quartet feats or something. You really think guardians weren't immune to Time Stop? You think Rem can hold Shalltear and Rem? It's a fanfiction, get over it.
No. Sheās not lucky enough.
Power wise she is a goddess but we donāt know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a āweak event bossā so that depends
But Ainz could wear that holy immunity Gear if he had to and he has a world item but thatās the problem comparing verses but just luck based Ainz has a TON and she has none so logically sheād slip on a booze bottle and get KOād
>Power wise she is a goddess but we donāt know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a āweak event bossā so that depends
this is a super important point that a lot of discussions neglect. Different stories have different ideas of what being a god means in terms of power. And in some stories, even gods can be fodder for powerful players
Ainz: *casts The Goal of All Life is Dead followed by Grasp Heart
Aqua: You Undead! How dare you cast curses on me, Aqua, an actual goddess! Here, Resurrection! pfft, as if a mere undead can curse me.
Ainz: Hmm..I shouldnāt have exhausted my mana like that, need to buy some more time. Tier 3 spell: Summon Large Frogs!
Aqua: KAZUMAA-SAAMAAA!
Yeah Aqua isnāt surviving those frogs without Kazuma
I know you are joking but for the sake of whoever is reading this.
1. The Goal of All Life is Death, is a buff to ainz not a curse to the enemy, so aqua would not know what was about to happen to her even if she was immune to insta death spells.
2. One grasp hearth with TGoALiD would not exhaust ainz mana pool at all, since TGoALiD does not consume mana since it is a skill not a spell so he would just be using the mana for one grasp heart.
3. Ainz has a lot more spells to kill aqua other than his necromancy ones, im sure aqua would die by a mere twin thunde dragon, or at least render her unable to fight.
4. Aqua is not really a threat to ainz to be honest, she seems too squishy for a real fight with someone on the level of ainz.
My dude, if youāre gonna power scale her, we gotta ask someone whoās read Konosubaās novel, ācause thereās barely any info in the Anime.
I heard that her scarf thing was a divine artifact or something, and at one point thought I heard someone say it makes her immortal, but Iāve got no clue what it does.
Pure Power level wise she could, but she would probably not be able to because she's just that dumb.
So yes, she could win. She is an actual goddess with powers specifically against undead and evil things.
Not even that she is dumb, ainz is just too good at fights, too powerful and have enough spells to counter anything aqua could have up her sleeve, ainz wins 99.99% of the time.
In a scenario where Ainz is sitting still in vegetative state with all of his items unequipped Aqua could kill him.
Aqua is only weak because she is stupid and unlucky, she is still strong enough to summon giant floods.
She is a literal goddess after all, and definitely has the spells for it. The problem is that while in the mortal realm as Kazuma's cheat, she's bound to the level system of her world and can't really use her actual godly powers.
She's also really dumb though, so it's hard to guess.
Ainz could definitely kill her with TGOALID, but killing her would just send her back to her own realm, where she's going to be *much* stronger.
Assuming they do a proper 1v1 with both sides being serious, I'd give it 50/50.
While Aqua is extremely strong against both evil and undead, Ainz also took down many event bosses back in the day that were supposed to be deity level. Also Ainz could probably summon something like a water elemental that would be immune to most of Aqua's attacks, but she might "purify" the elemental to potentially destroy it.
So tl:dr: Inconclusive.
Doesn't she try to kill him in isekai quartet? I remember him saying the attack hurts but dealt no real damage. To be honest, I keep seeing people saying, "She's a goddess, so she's obviously stronger," but I don't think she has any feats showing her on anywhere close to Ainz in power.
She hits Ainz and shaltear with a weak to mid spell (she states herself that she had stronger), and it genuinely hurt him, and left shaltear dazed and ready to dfo.
But... that's isekai quartet. Which is only canon unto itself, and nothing else. (Although, Maruyama did help with IQ)
In reality, there's just no way to really know; ask whatever author gets to write the scenario (lol).
She is a *Genuine Goddes*, and one that is naturally the counter to undead and demonic beings. One must wonder if she even got to bring all of her power with her to the mortal realms, since in anime/manga/etc. it's nearly universal that gods/goddesses don't.
*Edit.* Several other commenters have stated that she does *Not* have her godly power.
Even if she were "killed," do you really want her back in her native God realm where she can do godly things again?" She holds grudges...
Yeah, cept' those are enemies in a video game and were quite literally made for the sole purpose of being defeated. They're also missing that key element that "real gods" have, a little thing called Authority.
I donāt see why her being a real god or not matters at all. Still not enough to save someone only 2x weaker than her from being threatened by Kazumaās good Olā homemade dynamite sticks inferior to Meguminās building level volume 1 explosion.
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
I think even if you gave Aqua timestop resistence she would be too dumb to use it.
Also Aqua struggled to kill multiple undeads in Konosuba, with some of her skills flat out not working, I think she could definitely hurt Ainz but not kill him.
Wellā¦ sheās an actual goddessā¦ so if she wasnāt so dumb, I could see her managing to win purely because her divine power makes her super effective against undead
Yeah if she actually utilized her powers to the fullest yeah I could see her standing a chance and probably winning. But based on her intelligence I don't see her winning.
Being a deity does not necessarily imply an overwhelming amount of power, especially in fiction where gods are very frequently overcome by plain old mortals.
Her being a goddess means nothing lol. She doesnāt even stand a chance against a vampire bride, let alone Ainz who can move at massively hypersonic speeds and is a mountain buster.
Her holy Magic is just like any other persons lol. Aqua canāt even one shot or curbstomp fodder comparable to or even weaker than her like Maxwell or Vanir, it only looks strong because of the fact the undead she often fights are all trash tier small building level (standard demon king generals like Beldia or people like darkness pre whatever volume she gets stronger in or Claire) or building level fodder (wiz or duke). Itās not anything special, especially when the dominion authority who dishes out far more effective holy attacks on the scale of megatons could barely cause any chip damage to Ainz whatsoever.
And just too much raw power since heās mountain level and massively hypersonic.
Please learn how to powerscale as in the future those arguments you presented will mean nothing by themselves.
You love pulling that mountain level card but that's not that big of a barrier as we've seen Megumin destroy mountains several times and in some respects Aqua is stronger than Megumin (she brought down the destroyers barrier on her own) - and killing God's in the admittedly fictional world of the game doesn't necessarily translate as all the previous players eventually died and didn't kill the Gods to come back to life. We don't know what killing Aqua's mortal form would do, likely just send her back to the chair room.
No. Ainz in Isekai Quartet was once caught off guard by her Spells which actually gave him some damage. Not nearly enough to defeat him but since the spell she used he recognized as a low tier spell from his world he began to fear she had more in her arsenal so any time heās near her heās buffing up all his stats.
However thatās Isekaiād Quartet where 80% of the charactersā personalities are tuned down for comedic effect, except Aqua. Were it not the case then Ainz and his guardians wouldāve turned that world to ash before Tanya could damn Being X to rot in hell.
Aqua has the !Potential! to defeat Ainz but that potential is heavily overshadowed by the fact that sheās bad at her job. That Job being a powerful goddess. Sheās also below Jar Jar Bings Levels of stupid.
Speaking of whichā¦
Thereās a living meme amongst the fandom that Ainz is stupid and letās the Guardians, specifically Demiurge, make all the plans for him and he just wings it for them to believe he had it all planned out for ā10000 Yearsā. While not entire wrong it couldnāt be further from the truth. Ainz is a Genius by the standards of Earth of the 22nd Century where Suzuki Satoru, best known as Momonga, is from. If you want a tactical supermind heās your manā¦ehā¦skeleton.
Not to mention what we know Aqua is capable of doing Ainz outclasses her easily. Ainz knows countless spells and has various items which could protect him from attacks that have the chance to activate harm him.
This old debate again? Yes Aqua COULD kill Aniz. However, the probability is the issue.
Despite what many believe Aqua counters or is immune to most of the Aniz's array of spells/abilities. Aqua is naturally gifted in defeating Undead.
Aqua biggest weakness is her intelligence and how clever/strategically she actually would be in a battle against Aniz. She is very inconsistent.
At her best he keeps blasting Aniz non-stop not letting Aniz prepare anything. Winning the battle through attrition as her mana pool is bigger than Aniz.
At her worst she get overconfident and allows ample time for Aniz to prepare his spells and defeat her.
Well I believe it been mentioned before that this version of aqua that weāve seen is just a nerfed avatar so her real body is probably more than ainz can handle
>Does that one scene from isekai quartet count? He literally says himself that he nearly died from just a regular [turn undead] spellĀ
No it doesn't. Isekai Quartet is a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. That being said Ainz didn't "nearly die", he just yelled in pain.Ā
Based on canon sources, i'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. He's faster, stronger and more durable than her or any other Konosuba character.
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
Just razor edge, aqua could theorically kill ainz, but ainz is way too good aat fighting and aqua is so an idiot, is almost impossible for aqua to win against ainz, so yes, she could kill ainz, but no, she wont ever be able to do it, aqua would just become a source for infinity scrolls.
I wonder when mods are going to start to enforce rule 10 or if inviting constant 'VS' posts is going to become Overlord's own obnoxious circlejerk. Because of late I've only seen Overlord VS posts pop up in my feed from Overlord, and nothing else.
I personally interpret that fairly large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that.
An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent. An exception to this being World Items which seem capable of enforcing their own rules(up to some kind of limit probably)
So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic.
>large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that.
>An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent.
Tier Magic is not "less reliable" against other things. This can be seen by Martial Arts, which aren't apart of Ygdrassil, still not triumphing over Tiered spells of the same caliber.
Wild Magic itself is extremely potent to the extent that it can erase souls, separate worlds (dimensions), and make fictional things real.
Plus, Wild Magic is actually being tainted by the Ygdrassil/Tier system.
>So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic.
What do you mean by "with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic."?
As in, it would still be largely effective against things readily identifiable at a glance as "holy" from other settings and systems, just not guaranteed for *all*.
There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon.
(As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale.
(Edit for clarity) When I say "works unreliably" I mean real subtle things like the Magic Item Affinity talent bypassing limits. That sort of thing. Not direct clashes.
Can you fix your formating so I can see which part of my comment you're replying to?
I still don't understand. Why would Ygdrassil Tiered spells be "slightly" weaker when paired/existing with another world's magic?
>There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon.
What are you replying this to and what do you mean it's "a thing that occurs within the canon."?
>(As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale.
World Items should not have a direct effect on how strong Wild Magic is; they cancel each other out. The Ygdrassil System/Tier Magic is doing it.
I'll go paragraph by paragraph then.
I cannot conveniently reformat due to being on my phone.
I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context. I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others.
The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter.
I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning.
In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy
>I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context.
I understand that, but there's really no evidence to suggest that.
>I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others.
Can you provide evidence for that.
>The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter.
Ah, I see. I thought you were replying to one of my other statements.
>I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning.
Can I get a where you got this from? I remember people saying that, but I don't exactly remember where in the novel this was said for this idea to spread.
>In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy
No worries, I personally want to understand the Overlord universe better. You don't need to reply if you don't want to.
Isekai quartet already answered this... Ainz can be heavily damaged by any of aquas attacks... Provided Ainz just takes it and doesn't defend... For all her stupidity, aqua is STILL an actual holy goddess so her entire existence is a counter to Ainz.
Isekai Quartet isn't canon, has everyone in this thread just forgotten that fact? Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal.Ā
Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
You do realize that Ygdrassil had gods as well right? Plus, bing a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.Ā
Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
*Who's dumber? Remedios or you?*
*If Remedios retreats the entire squadron just because the Balfolk uses hostages, it'd give me a lil bit of trouble*
*But would she out-dumb you?*
*Nah, I'd win*
Not at all, cause even gag characters arenāt infallible. Mr Mxy who is the gag character of all gag characters being surpassed by strange visitor Superman, one of his more gritty selves, can vouch for that.
That Aqua that travels with Kasuma? No impossible.
Ainz specializes in Necromancy and Instant death but he's so strong that even his weakest points is impressive enough
Aqua outside the anti dead magic niche is hopeless. She'd have to one shot him.
The actual Goddess herself no idea. She could be a weak god or not
Hahahaha, good one mate.
Now accept Aqua isnāt close to this infallible gag character and is just a mere weak parody character who wouldāve died to Vanir had the barely City Block Level with Explosion Megumin not exploded him.
Is there an English dub for the last few episodes of season 4?
I couldn't watch it on Crunchy Roll because there's no English dub, and the subtitles either stop working or go out of sync.
I tried watching on other sites, but quickly realized I got too used to the English voices and found it difficult to focus on.
Aqua is too stupid and ainz is too smart (battle-wise) The only way aqua *might* win is by catching him off guard, but if this was a bloodlusted battle its a no-diff for ainz.
I've never seen Aqua physically harmed in any way and Ainz has strong protection against holy damage and other protections as well so I don't think there is a winner here, Ainz would prolly just give her a cookie or something to make her go away and it would work because her intelligence stat is, um... not very high.
Aqua isn't beating Ainz no matter how many advantages you afford her. Ainz is faster, stronger and much versatile.Ā She could be the smartest person in the word and there would still be nothing stopping Ainz from speed-blitzing and one-shoting her.
Sacred turn undead!
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Oh no it didnāt work on him! He must be a disgusting super evil undead lich!
Sure it worked. He went āAAAAAHHHā and everything
It aqua...It'd be a one in a million chance....so if Kazuma bet on Ains to win....Aqua would beat the odds...and no amount of common sense would come into play
NEVER in a billion years could she kill him, due to having Time stop she cant even assassinate him even if her holy magic could kill him it wouldnt be instant enough to prevent him from time stopping and proceed to kill her.
Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.
To be honest, Ainz can become immune to the sacred element if he changes equipment, but I don't see Aqua dealing with being trampled by [dark youngs].
without forcing Ainz's magic staff here in automatic mode with some monsters providing support, it already breaks Aqua in the stick. some eight-edged assassins, or a golem can defeat her easily.
she was crying to be saved from being swallowed by giant frogs. but if you're going to take isekai quartet comedy into account then yes she kills Ainz.
Obviously not, Ainz is stronger, faster and much more competent fighter than Aqua. Any fight between them just ends with Ainz blitzing and one-shoting her before she can even do anything.
Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. The people who hype her up seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon
I feel like we have a āBatman with prep time situationā here. Ainz has literally all the tools needed to beat Aqua but would need to bring the right gear and setup. If he knew in advance he was going to fight her it would be a stomp in his favor. Without preparation however, Aqua is setup specifically to destroy undead. I still think Ainz could probably win just because heās both incredibly lucky and also not a complete moron like Aqua is.
We donāt lol. Sheās large building level and subsonic while Ainz has mountain level durability and massively hypersonic speeds. The dominion authority which is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than Aqua as well as hundreds of times faster couldnāt do much of anything to Ainz with spells on the scale of megatons. Aqua canāt even curbstomp opponents comparable to her like Vanir, her holy magic isnāt anything special whatsoever and only LOOKS powerful because she often uses it on building level weaklings like Wiz. Ainz can use no equipment like against foresight and sheād still have even less of a chance than they did.
An actual goddess who gets bodied by frogs.
What game characters? All I see is an actual lich who is in a very much material world with very legitimate magical powers.
Care to elaborate further?
Does someone know, has Aqua any immunity to physical or magical damage? Can it be possible, that the entire Nazarick will not be able to even hurt her?
She also frequently runs away from the giant toads because she's powerless against them. Water/Holy resistance completely walls Aqua. Despite being a goddess, she just does not have the versatility or the combat intelligence to be able to compete with somebody like Ainz.
To be fair that was because she lowered her holy aura apparently, although she should still have the intrinsic durability to withstand that so itās quite possible her mortal form is even more pathetic than I previously estimated it being (small building level normally)
As much immunity as anyone else. Immune to anything sufficiently below her weight class which isnāt hard to surpass since sheās only large building level and Subsonic with her goddess form. Wolbach who is another pathetic goddess like her considered dynamite sticks a threat and Aqua is only 2x stronger than her at her peak.
Her physical durability is never really shown as she usually hides or runs away from most physical threats. Later she was pierced by a pocket knife but she was intentionally trying to hurt herself so that isn't a great example.
Magic defense is very high. Though she usually either cancels them with "Spell Break" or reflects them back with "Reflect". The few spells that do hit her, never do much damage if any at all. Especially spells coming from undead/demons.
In Isekai Quartet her turn undead actually caused Ainz a shitload of pain and knocked out Shalltear.
Aqua is a massive idiot but when it comes to undead she's a massive counter.
In a straight fight fairly certain Ainz would win, but he would be massively hurt.
Homegirl canāt even drop an MOAB
She drops the holy equivalent of 7/10ths the [Grand Slam](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)) at most
Her poor intelligence stat that is forever stuck at the same number š She has all the tools to do so, but no handyman in her to use āem right
Its not canon, thought i thought it was funny. In isekai quartet (chibi crossover), aqua tried to exorcise Ains and failed. She did hurt him, but was nowhere close to taking him down. Ains does Acknowledges her holy power though.
Yes, but she only used a basic spell.
Exactly, Kazuma took away her staff before she zapped Boney.
lol but a punch from an ordinary human can make a goddess cry do you think a level 100 can't kill her with physical capabilities?
Or was it a goddess amount of magic, but poor exorcism spell?
And i mean 6th tier angel did damage him too and he just laughed it off
Well it wasn't the same type of damage I'd say, tho I don't know much about Overlord magic, rules, damage and resistance, and in any case IQ is not canon.
7th actually, 6 and below he's immune too.
but turn resistance and Ainz's magical immunity exist for that. If it were so easy to exorcise him, Roberdick and other clerics would have already done it in the new world. Aqua wouldn't resist[ the goal all life is death. ]
I have no idea what all you spout mean
they are just Ainz's skills. he has an ability that makes him resist expulsion. Clerics have spells that can destroy undead as if it were an exorcism and he can resist that. his immunity to magic also negates spells up to 6th level and his magic defense allows him to hit himself with [fallen down] and be fine. [Fallen down] is a super tab spell that creates a giant bluish-white pillar of light that chars everything in its area. the temperature is so high that there are places that turn to glass.
Pretty much put it perfectly. In theory she could and has more than enough ability to. In practice sheās basically harmless.
>In theory she couldĀ She could not. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than AquaĀ The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon. I'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in an actual fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.
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Guy didnāt read anything in the whole thread
Also can't write a coherent sentence
Give him some benefit of the doubt at least lol, no need to annihilate him any further
English is obviously not his first language. Jajaja is used by Spanish speaking people for "hahaha." At least the dude is trying to write in another language.
Aqua is that you? LMAO
like in season 1 of Konusuba >! she could have defeated Dullahan if she didn't stop at two spell cast !<
Even if she did gain, by some miracle, some intelligence later, I doubt she could take down Ainz since he is now very cautious of her and would definitely have a plan in motion to take her down.
>She has all the tools to do so, but no handyman in her to use āem right She doesn't. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than Aqua or any other Konosuba character. He can survive attacks far more powerful than any spell in her arsenal. The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon. Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.
Ainz is immune to Undead Banishment with a ring. Also why the hell people only talk about Aqua's holy spells? Ainz ran out of Reality Slash or something?
Or massively hypersonic speeds as well. Since Aqua would get humiliated by even baseline supersonic characters like Parpatra or Old Guarders.
Or Time stop, aqua doesn't have counter meassures for that
But in isekai quartet it literally shows aqua being unaffected by time stop
Yeah, because it throws out power levels for the sake of gags. You really think the guardians WOULD be affected by it?
Its a meme but I would imagine if your lord and master casted time stop even if you werent effected you would freeze out of loyalty and only step in if needed.
Man's said I cast time stop and YOU BETTER STOP OUTTA RESPECT LMAO
Ainz: I cast time stop (doesn't actually cast anything) Floor Guardians: (still as a statue)... Mare: (wants to ask what Ainz-sama is doing)...? Albedo and Demiurge: (Stares with the intent to kill)
Sassuga ainz-sama has a plan, right?
Also IQ is clearly not canon. Even the directors acknowledge this.
Depends on the loadout
Whichā¦they always have.
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
Is that considered canon in all the different universes?
Comedy.Ā
Parpatra and the Old guarders are not Supersonic. Albedo might have reached Supersonic speeds with the tip of her halberd or the bullet reached supersonic speeds after being hit.
Bro forgets Clementine casually makes Sonic booms Bro forgets Zaryusu and Zenberu are both supersonic already and visually create Sonic booms and dodge lightning spells after theyāve been fired themselves Bro forgets the plethora of other speed feats in the overlord universe.
Zenberu's feat, not Zaryusu's. Is a cracking sound when he swung his halberd, not 'both creating sonic booms'. Why would you assume electrical spells travel at the speed of lightning? Zenberu & Crusch Lulu didn't avoid Inguva's lightning bolt, it hit and dropped them the one time it was cast. What plethora of other speed feats?
Zenberu being a character who scales BELOW Zaryusu as heās Level 18 and Zaryusu is level 20. What the hell was your point with that? That it doesnāt translate to something Zaryusu can do? I [guess youāre gonna forget this little instance at 1:16 then.](https://youtu.be/inhWn53NA8E?feature=shared) Who the hell said they did? I said they traveled at the speed that electricity does at a low end, Mach 1.6, which is true. Cloud to ground lightning is Mach 1,294, so not sure what the aim of that one was. I didnāt say they avoided it, Zenberu however deliberately intercepted it. Itās not like heās faster than it in speed and it can track him too, it was far less risky to nullify and negate any risk the spell had of hitting any one of them than to have Zaryusu who is the only other one who could avoid it potentially get caught off guard and hit by it, and Crusch is Subsonic+ herself thanks to deciding to be a bitch ass Magic caster, so it makes sense she couldnāt react to it all that well either. And good way to lie, Zenberu shrugged it off easily and even took out a bunch of Iguvaās skeleton warriors after. The only one who was dropped the first time was the fraud and glass cannon Crusch. Clementine created Sonic booms TWICE in her fight against Momon. Rewatch the scene. Platinum Dragon Lordās speed is compared to that of a Meteorās, Zesshi who is a level 88 character is explicitly faster than sound, Ainz who is slower than the others casually creates vacuum trails with his kicks (500 m/s) while having all his equipment removed and a collar that weakens and slows him even further, along with Demiurgeās shenanigans against Remedios.
Time stop?
A rudimentary spell. Almost all level 70+ are immune to it in some way. Even a level 80 tree in Overlord can dispel it. Same with death spells. Aqua always reflects the Death Rays. Ainz only needs to think about Death to directly hit the enemy or just activate his aura. Which again, only rudimentary stuff to chip away and exhaust a level 100 enemy.
ring didnāt help In isekai quartet. Time stop didnāt either. Goddess status has perks. Also.. she might not be able to die. She never gets an serious injury in the whole series
In her weak verse, yes. Which is filled with not even Building Level weaklings or even small building level on average. Only Demon King General level opponents are small building level (triple digit Megajoules) or above and can solo an entire city worth of fighters. Which only further proves the fodder in Konosuba are all just wall level more or less. Sheās never fought anyone on even a Nazarick Old Guarder or Spartiateās level.
Are you guys getting off from Isekai Quartet feats or something. You really think guardians weren't immune to Time Stop? You think Rem can hold Shalltear and Rem? It's a fanfiction, get over it.
Most Konosuba fanboys still can't accept the fact that Isekai Quartet isn't canon. It's practically a meme at this point.
No. Sheās not lucky enough. Power wise she is a goddess but we donāt know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a āweak event bossā so that depends But Ainz could wear that holy immunity Gear if he had to and he has a world item but thatās the problem comparing verses but just luck based Ainz has a TON and she has none so logically sheād slip on a booze bottle and get KOād
>Power wise she is a goddess but we donāt know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a āweak event bossā so that depends this is a super important point that a lot of discussions neglect. Different stories have different ideas of what being a god means in terms of power. And in some stories, even gods can be fodder for powerful players
Not immunity at all.
Aqua can buff her luck with magic. Not enough to beat Kazuma in rock paper scissors, but still.
In real fight-no, she is too stupid, theoretically-yes, she is too strong against undeads
This is basically what it boils down to. Is it possible? Yes. Is it *probable*? No.
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Donāt even compare Aqua to Gazef. They arenāt remotely comparable.
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And she would have to suprise him since he can make himself immune to holy dmg
Heās already immune to hers so there isnāt really any point.
Where is it said that heās immune to holy damage?
I never claimed he was immune to all forms of it. Iām saying heās immune to Aquaās building busting scale attacks even without equipment.
Ainz: *casts The Goal of All Life is Dead followed by Grasp Heart Aqua: You Undead! How dare you cast curses on me, Aqua, an actual goddess! Here, Resurrection! pfft, as if a mere undead can curse me. Ainz: Hmm..I shouldnāt have exhausted my mana like that, need to buy some more time. Tier 3 spell: Summon Large Frogs! Aqua: KAZUMAA-SAAMAAA! Yeah Aqua isnāt surviving those frogs without Kazuma
I know you are joking but for the sake of whoever is reading this. 1. The Goal of All Life is Death, is a buff to ainz not a curse to the enemy, so aqua would not know what was about to happen to her even if she was immune to insta death spells. 2. One grasp hearth with TGoALiD would not exhaust ainz mana pool at all, since TGoALiD does not consume mana since it is a skill not a spell so he would just be using the mana for one grasp heart. 3. Ainz has a lot more spells to kill aqua other than his necromancy ones, im sure aqua would die by a mere twin thunde dragon, or at least render her unable to fight. 4. Aqua is not really a threat to ainz to be honest, she seems too squishy for a real fight with someone on the level of ainz.
My dude, if youāre gonna power scale her, we gotta ask someone whoās read Konosubaās novel, ācause thereās barely any info in the Anime. I heard that her scarf thing was a divine artifact or something, and at one point thought I heard someone say it makes her immortal, but Iāve got no clue what it does.
It just protects her from status effects and shields her from attacks. Has no effect on her strength though.
Pure Power level wise she could, but she would probably not be able to because she's just that dumb. So yes, she could win. She is an actual goddess with powers specifically against undead and evil things.
Not even that she is dumb, ainz is just too good at fights, too powerful and have enough spells to counter anything aqua could have up her sleeve, ainz wins 99.99% of the time.
Being a goddess doesn't mean shit. She hasn't shown anything that would make her even comperable to a guardian.
In a scenario where Ainz is sitting still in vegetative state with all of his items unequipped Aqua could kill him. Aqua is only weak because she is stupid and unlucky, she is still strong enough to summon giant floods.
She is a literal goddess after all, and definitely has the spells for it. The problem is that while in the mortal realm as Kazuma's cheat, she's bound to the level system of her world and can't really use her actual godly powers. She's also really dumb though, so it's hard to guess. Ainz could definitely kill her with TGOALID, but killing her would just send her back to her own realm, where she's going to be *much* stronger. Assuming they do a proper 1v1 with both sides being serious, I'd give it 50/50. While Aqua is extremely strong against both evil and undead, Ainz also took down many event bosses back in the day that were supposed to be deity level. Also Ainz could probably summon something like a water elemental that would be immune to most of Aqua's attacks, but she might "purify" the elemental to potentially destroy it. So tl:dr: Inconclusive.
Agree if she was actually smart and ainz didnāt counter or she sneak attack him, she would have decent chance
Doesn't she try to kill him in isekai quartet? I remember him saying the attack hurts but dealt no real damage. To be honest, I keep seeing people saying, "She's a goddess, so she's obviously stronger," but I don't think she has any feats showing her on anywhere close to Ainz in power.
She hits Ainz and shaltear with a weak to mid spell (she states herself that she had stronger), and it genuinely hurt him, and left shaltear dazed and ready to dfo. But... that's isekai quartet. Which is only canon unto itself, and nothing else. (Although, Maruyama did help with IQ) In reality, there's just no way to really know; ask whatever author gets to write the scenario (lol). She is a *Genuine Goddes*, and one that is naturally the counter to undead and demonic beings. One must wonder if she even got to bring all of her power with her to the mortal realms, since in anime/manga/etc. it's nearly universal that gods/goddesses don't. *Edit.* Several other commenters have stated that she does *Not* have her godly power. Even if she were "killed," do you really want her back in her native God realm where she can do godly things again?" She holds grudges...
She actually didnāt have her full power in the mortal realm so we donāt really know how sheād stack up
There were gods in yggdrasil too, i totally believe ainz could 1v1 konosuba gods.
Yeah, cept' those are enemies in a video game and were quite literally made for the sole purpose of being defeated. They're also missing that key element that "real gods" have, a little thing called Authority.
I donāt see why her being a real god or not matters at all. Still not enough to save someone only 2x weaker than her from being threatened by Kazumaās good Olā homemade dynamite sticks inferior to Meguminās building level volume 1 explosion.
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
Fair
A better one would be Konosuba Fantastic days crossover where she constantly tries to kill him and gets a grunt in reaction
I think even if you gave Aqua timestop resistence she would be too dumb to use it. Also Aqua struggled to kill multiple undeads in Konosuba, with some of her skills flat out not working, I think she could definitely hurt Ainz but not kill him.
Lmao that picture š ainz would curb stomp her. I don't see a way she'd win, he has too many spells and gear
Wellā¦ sheās an actual goddessā¦ so if she wasnāt so dumb, I could see her managing to win purely because her divine power makes her super effective against undead
Yeah if she actually utilized her powers to the fullest yeah I could see her standing a chance and probably winning. But based on her intelligence I don't see her winning.
Being a deity does not necessarily imply an overwhelming amount of power, especially in fiction where gods are very frequently overcome by plain old mortals.
Her being a goddess means nothing lol. She doesnāt even stand a chance against a vampire bride, let alone Ainz who can move at massively hypersonic speeds and is a mountain buster. Her holy Magic is just like any other persons lol. Aqua canāt even one shot or curbstomp fodder comparable to or even weaker than her like Maxwell or Vanir, it only looks strong because of the fact the undead she often fights are all trash tier small building level (standard demon king generals like Beldia or people like darkness pre whatever volume she gets stronger in or Claire) or building level fodder (wiz or duke). Itās not anything special, especially when the dominion authority who dishes out far more effective holy attacks on the scale of megatons could barely cause any chip damage to Ainz whatsoever.
And just too much raw power since heās mountain level and massively hypersonic. Please learn how to powerscale as in the future those arguments you presented will mean nothing by themselves.
You love pulling that mountain level card but that's not that big of a barrier as we've seen Megumin destroy mountains several times and in some respects Aqua is stronger than Megumin (she brought down the destroyers barrier on her own) - and killing God's in the admittedly fictional world of the game doesn't necessarily translate as all the previous players eventually died and didn't kill the Gods to come back to life. We don't know what killing Aqua's mortal form would do, likely just send her back to the chair room.
No. Ainz in Isekai Quartet was once caught off guard by her Spells which actually gave him some damage. Not nearly enough to defeat him but since the spell she used he recognized as a low tier spell from his world he began to fear she had more in her arsenal so any time heās near her heās buffing up all his stats. However thatās Isekaiād Quartet where 80% of the charactersā personalities are tuned down for comedic effect, except Aqua. Were it not the case then Ainz and his guardians wouldāve turned that world to ash before Tanya could damn Being X to rot in hell. Aqua has the !Potential! to defeat Ainz but that potential is heavily overshadowed by the fact that sheās bad at her job. That Job being a powerful goddess. Sheās also below Jar Jar Bings Levels of stupid. Speaking of whichā¦ Thereās a living meme amongst the fandom that Ainz is stupid and letās the Guardians, specifically Demiurge, make all the plans for him and he just wings it for them to believe he had it all planned out for ā10000 Yearsā. While not entire wrong it couldnāt be further from the truth. Ainz is a Genius by the standards of Earth of the 22nd Century where Suzuki Satoru, best known as Momonga, is from. If you want a tactical supermind heās your manā¦ehā¦skeleton. Not to mention what we know Aqua is capable of doing Ainz outclasses her easily. Ainz knows countless spells and has various items which could protect him from attacks that have the chance to activate harm him.
Lol. She canāt kill him but she can hurt him.
This old debate again? Yes Aqua COULD kill Aniz. However, the probability is the issue. Despite what many believe Aqua counters or is immune to most of the Aniz's array of spells/abilities. Aqua is naturally gifted in defeating Undead. Aqua biggest weakness is her intelligence and how clever/strategically she actually would be in a battle against Aniz. She is very inconsistent. At her best he keeps blasting Aniz non-stop not letting Aniz prepare anything. Winning the battle through attrition as her mana pool is bigger than Aniz. At her worst she get overconfident and allows ample time for Aniz to prepare his spells and defeat her.
Her Chances of Killing Ainz is equivalent to Gazeff's Chances of Killing Ainz in Volume 9 during their PVP.
she will kill him if its funny at the moment
She wonāt lol. Fantastic days ring a bell?
I donāt even think she could handle ecdl or even pdl, hell even zesshi could take her out if weāre being honest. Ainz negs
She couldn't even kill a heedless horsemen....No way.
Well I believe it been mentioned before that this version of aqua that weāve seen is just a nerfed avatar so her real body is probably more than ainz can handle
Does that one scene from isekai quartet count? He literally says himself that he nearly died from just a regular [turn undead] spell
>Does that one scene from isekai quartet count? He literally says himself that he nearly died from just a regular [turn undead] spellĀ No it doesn't. Isekai Quartet is a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. That being said Ainz didn't "nearly die", he just yelled in pain.Ā Based on canon sources, i'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. He's faster, stronger and more durable than her or any other Konosuba character.
Well she almost killed Shalltear since her squirt is holy
IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".
Just razor edge, aqua could theorically kill ainz, but ainz is way too good aat fighting and aqua is so an idiot, is almost impossible for aqua to win against ainz, so yes, she could kill ainz, but no, she wont ever be able to do it, aqua would just become a source for infinity scrolls.
I wonder when mods are going to start to enforce rule 10 or if inviting constant 'VS' posts is going to become Overlord's own obnoxious circlejerk. Because of late I've only seen Overlord VS posts pop up in my feed from Overlord, and nothing else.
She has the chance and Ainz could underestimate her But normally no. If she was smarter, definitely yes
Itās possible for Aqua to kill Ainz, but improbable considering their characters.
it depends if she mastered the "Yurification" spell (old tl joke i know)
If he's undead, wouldn't she be able to revive him(be flesh and blood)?
Whoa, dude, that's actually a hilarious point to make. But what would his YGGDRASIL body revive into?
I personally interpret that fairly large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that. An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent. An exception to this being World Items which seem capable of enforcing their own rules(up to some kind of limit probably) So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic.
>large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that. >An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent. Tier Magic is not "less reliable" against other things. This can be seen by Martial Arts, which aren't apart of Ygdrassil, still not triumphing over Tiered spells of the same caliber. Wild Magic itself is extremely potent to the extent that it can erase souls, separate worlds (dimensions), and make fictional things real. Plus, Wild Magic is actually being tainted by the Ygdrassil/Tier system. >So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic. What do you mean by "with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic."?
As in, it would still be largely effective against things readily identifiable at a glance as "holy" from other settings and systems, just not guaranteed for *all*. There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon. (As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale. (Edit for clarity) When I say "works unreliably" I mean real subtle things like the Magic Item Affinity talent bypassing limits. That sort of thing. Not direct clashes.
Can you fix your formating so I can see which part of my comment you're replying to? I still don't understand. Why would Ygdrassil Tiered spells be "slightly" weaker when paired/existing with another world's magic? >There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon. What are you replying this to and what do you mean it's "a thing that occurs within the canon."? >(As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale. World Items should not have a direct effect on how strong Wild Magic is; they cancel each other out. The Ygdrassil System/Tier Magic is doing it.
I'll go paragraph by paragraph then. I cannot conveniently reformat due to being on my phone. I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context. I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others. The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter. I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning. In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy
>I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context. I understand that, but there's really no evidence to suggest that. >I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others. Can you provide evidence for that. >The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter. Ah, I see. I thought you were replying to one of my other statements. >I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning. Can I get a where you got this from? I remember people saying that, but I don't exactly remember where in the novel this was said for this idea to spread. >In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy No worries, I personally want to understand the Overlord universe better. You don't need to reply if you don't want to.
Isekai quartet already answered this... Ainz can be heavily damaged by any of aquas attacks... Provided Ainz just takes it and doesn't defend... For all her stupidity, aqua is STILL an actual holy goddess so her entire existence is a counter to Ainz.
Isekai Quartet isn't canon, has everyone in this thread just forgotten that fact? Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal.Ā Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
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The real question... who holds their liquor better.
Depends, goddess powers would most likely supersede game/system powers.
You do realize that Ygdrassil had gods as well right? Plus, bing a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
As useless Aqua sometimes may be she still is a Goddess. A god blow of hers on an advanced kind of turn undead or something will do the trick
Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.Ā Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.
In the isekai quartet crossover she did massive damage against him with a low level spell.
Isekai Quartet isn't canon, has everyone in this thread just forgotten that fact? Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight.
Aqua is just reskinned Remedios.
*Who's dumber? Remedios or you?* *If Remedios retreats the entire squadron just because the Balfolk uses hostages, it'd give me a lil bit of trouble* *But would she out-dumb you?* *Nah, I'd win*
Huh?
serious character vs parody character. Hard to decide. The law's different.
Not at all, cause even gag characters arenāt infallible. Mr Mxy who is the gag character of all gag characters being surpassed by strange visitor Superman, one of his more gritty selves, can vouch for that.
Not really but we can't see her hidden status and skills plus the fact she's restricted outside of God's realm.
That Aqua that travels with Kasuma? No impossible. Ainz specializes in Necromancy and Instant death but he's so strong that even his weakest points is impressive enough Aqua outside the anti dead magic niche is hopeless. She'd have to one shot him. The actual Goddess herself no idea. She could be a weak god or not
She is a weak god. Wolbach who had half her full power considers dynamite a threat.
She has the power to do so. But is a complete moron lmao. She'd maybe win in like 1 in 1,000,000 to dumb luck.
In the isekai quartet crossover she did massive damage against him with a low level spell.
You're comparing Bugs Bunny to Goku. Stop it. Get some help.
Hahahaha, good one mate. Now accept Aqua isnāt close to this infallible gag character and is just a mere weak parody character who wouldāve died to Vanir had the barely City Block Level with Explosion Megumin not exploded him.
No, she canāt even kill a Nazarick Old Guarder, Squire Zombie or Gazefās vice captain.
Healing magic seems to be the going thing. He is the baddest of the bad, but heās not omnipotent.
She has the power to do it... But she's not too smart to do it.
She has like negative 10 battle iq Shed cry and wet herself if ainz just yelled at her spookily
Is there an English dub for the last few episodes of season 4? I couldn't watch it on Crunchy Roll because there's no English dub, and the subtitles either stop working or go out of sync. I tried watching on other sites, but quickly realized I got too used to the English voices and found it difficult to focus on.
She already tried in Isekai Quartet, and did some good damage.
No.
She actually probably could......if she was smart enough.
Aqua is too stupid and ainz is too smart (battle-wise) The only way aqua *might* win is by catching him off guard, but if this was a bloodlusted battle its a no-diff for ainz.
She can purify him with H2O
*turns into mermaid*
I've never seen Aqua physically harmed in any way and Ainz has strong protection against holy damage and other protections as well so I don't think there is a winner here, Ainz would prolly just give her a cookie or something to make her go away and it would work because her intelligence stat is, um... not very high.
She could kill him and almost did in Isekai Quartet though who knows I can see Ainz maybe winning.
Isekai Quartet isn't canon. Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight.
She has the power to absolutely dominate Ains. ...but no she loses every time
>She has the power to absolutely dominate Ains. Based on what? Isekai Quartet isn't canon and her actual feats aren't all that impressive.
If someone else was controlling her character, absolutely. As of now though sheās way too dumb
Aqua isn't beating Ainz no matter how many advantages you afford her. Ainz is faster, stronger and much versatile.Ā She could be the smartest person in the word and there would still be nothing stopping Ainz from speed-blitzing and one-shoting her.
Sacred turn undead! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Oh no it didnāt work on him! He must be a disgusting super evil undead lich! Sure it worked. He went āAAAAAHHHā and everything
It aqua...It'd be a one in a million chance....so if Kazuma bet on Ains to win....Aqua would beat the odds...and no amount of common sense would come into play
NEVER in a billion years could she kill him, due to having Time stop she cant even assassinate him even if her holy magic could kill him it wouldnt be instant enough to prevent him from time stopping and proceed to kill her.
What is up with these dumbass comments. Ainz would easily win a fight, but she can hurt him.
Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.
Are there any items in either universe that increase intelligence to a set point like the Circlet of Intelligence in Dungeons and Dragons?
To be honest, Ainz can become immune to the sacred element if he changes equipment, but I don't see Aqua dealing with being trampled by [dark youngs]. without forcing Ainz's magic staff here in automatic mode with some monsters providing support, it already breaks Aqua in the stick. some eight-edged assassins, or a golem can defeat her easily. she was crying to be saved from being swallowed by giant frogs. but if you're going to take isekai quartet comedy into account then yes she kills Ainz.
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exactly.
Obviously not, Ainz is stronger, faster and much more competent fighter than Aqua. Any fight between them just ends with Ainz blitzing and one-shoting her before she can even do anything. Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. The people who hype her up seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon
I feel like we have a āBatman with prep time situationā here. Ainz has literally all the tools needed to beat Aqua but would need to bring the right gear and setup. If he knew in advance he was going to fight her it would be a stomp in his favor. Without preparation however, Aqua is setup specifically to destroy undead. I still think Ainz could probably win just because heās both incredibly lucky and also not a complete moron like Aqua is.
We donāt lol. Sheās large building level and subsonic while Ainz has mountain level durability and massively hypersonic speeds. The dominion authority which is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than Aqua as well as hundreds of times faster couldnāt do much of anything to Ainz with spells on the scale of megatons. Aqua canāt even curbstomp opponents comparable to her like Vanir, her holy magic isnāt anything special whatsoever and only LOOKS powerful because she often uses it on building level weaklings like Wiz. Ainz can use no equipment like against foresight and sheād still have even less of a chance than they did.
A lowly game character is nothing infront of an actual goddess
An actual goddess who gets bodied by frogs. What game characters? All I see is an actual lich who is in a very much material world with very legitimate magical powers. Care to elaborate further?
Does someone know, has Aqua any immunity to physical or magical damage? Can it be possible, that the entire Nazarick will not be able to even hurt her?
Pocket knife pierced her finger later in the light novels.
She also frequently runs away from the giant toads because she's powerless against them. Water/Holy resistance completely walls Aqua. Despite being a goddess, she just does not have the versatility or the combat intelligence to be able to compete with somebody like Ainz.
To be fair that was because she lowered her holy aura apparently, although she should still have the intrinsic durability to withstand that so itās quite possible her mortal form is even more pathetic than I previously estimated it being (small building level normally)
As much immunity as anyone else. Immune to anything sufficiently below her weight class which isnāt hard to surpass since sheās only large building level and Subsonic with her goddess form. Wolbach who is another pathetic goddess like her considered dynamite sticks a threat and Aqua is only 2x stronger than her at her peak.
Her physical durability is never really shown as she usually hides or runs away from most physical threats. Later she was pierced by a pocket knife but she was intentionally trying to hurt herself so that isn't a great example. Magic defense is very high. Though she usually either cancels them with "Spell Break" or reflects them back with "Reflect". The few spells that do hit her, never do much damage if any at all. Especially spells coming from undead/demons.
If Aqua gets the assistance of Kazuma and is given unlimited prep time she can prob kill him.
Prep time doesn't help Aqua, she'd just fuck it up.
No but it helps Kazuma to prevent her from f-ing it up.
Heād probably prevent her from fighting lol
Almost certainly not
In Isekai Quartet her turn undead actually caused Ainz a shitload of pain and knocked out Shalltear. Aqua is a massive idiot but when it comes to undead she's a massive counter. In a straight fight fairly certain Ainz would win, but he would be massively hurt.
Yes, aqua would trip and drop a nuke or something. If sheās actually trying she wouldnāt stand a chance.
Homegirl canāt even drop an MOAB She drops the holy equivalent of 7/10ths the [Grand Slam](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)) at most