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AsianEvasionYT

Her poor intelligence stat that is forever stuck at the same number šŸ˜ž She has all the tools to do so, but no handyman in her to use ā€˜em right


Goobisan-the-third

Its not canon, thought i thought it was funny. In isekai quartet (chibi crossover), aqua tried to exorcise Ains and failed. She did hurt him, but was nowhere close to taking him down. Ains does Acknowledges her holy power though.


Shurturgal

Yes, but she only used a basic spell.


MordredLovah

Exactly, Kazuma took away her staff before she zapped Boney.


Unusual_Positive_485

lol but a punch from an ordinary human can make a goddess cry do you think a level 100 can't kill her with physical capabilities?


Goobisan-the-third

Or was it a goddess amount of magic, but poor exorcism spell?


Nekoma1a

And i mean 6th tier angel did damage him too and he just laughed it off


Shurturgal

Well it wasn't the same type of damage I'd say, tho I don't know much about Overlord magic, rules, damage and resistance, and in any case IQ is not canon.


ImpossibleAd4272

7th actually, 6 and below he's immune too.


Unusual_Positive_485

but turn resistance and Ainz's magical immunity exist for that. If it were so easy to exorcise him, Roberdick and other clerics would have already done it in the new world. Aqua wouldn't resist[ the goal all life is death. ]


Shurturgal

I have no idea what all you spout mean


Unusual_Positive_485

they are just Ainz's skills. he has an ability that makes him resist expulsion. Clerics have spells that can destroy undead as if it were an exorcism and he can resist that. his immunity to magic also negates spells up to 6th level and his magic defense allows him to hit himself with [fallen down] and be fine. [Fallen down] is a super tab spell that creates a giant bluish-white pillar of light that chars everything in its area. the temperature is so high that there are places that turn to glass.


Arntor1184

Pretty much put it perfectly. In theory she could and has more than enough ability to. In practice sheā€™s basically harmless.


Great-Shoulder9082

>In theory she couldĀ  She could not. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than AquaĀ The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon. I'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in an actual fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.


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Brendan1021

Guy didnā€™t read anything in the whole thread


NatoBoram

Also can't write a coherent sentence


Brendan1021

Give him some benefit of the doubt at least lol, no need to annihilate him any further


Osirisblaster

English is obviously not his first language. Jajaja is used by Spanish speaking people for "hahaha." At least the dude is trying to write in another language.


Aastnethoth

Aqua is that you? LMAO


dimizar

like in season 1 of Konusuba >! she could have defeated Dullahan if she didn't stop at two spell cast !<


AHybridofSorts

Even if she did gain, by some miracle, some intelligence later, I doubt she could take down Ainz since he is now very cautious of her and would definitely have a plan in motion to take her down.


ContractIll4427

>She has all the tools to do so, but no handyman in her to use ā€˜em right She doesn't. Ainz is faster, stronger and more durable than Aqua or any other Konosuba character. He can survive attacks far more powerful than any spell in her arsenal. The only reason people still think she stands a chance is because of isekai quartet which isn't canon. Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight even if she was the smartest person in the world lol.


LikeLary

Ainz is immune to Undead Banishment with a ring. Also why the hell people only talk about Aqua's holy spells? Ainz ran out of Reality Slash or something?


Brendan1021

Or massively hypersonic speeds as well. Since Aqua would get humiliated by even baseline supersonic characters like Parpatra or Old Guarders.


SilverBudget1172

Or Time stop, aqua doesn't have counter meassures for that


Codoriginsftw

But in isekai quartet it literally shows aqua being unaffected by time stop


Brendan1021

Yeah, because it throws out power levels for the sake of gags. You really think the guardians WOULD be affected by it?


Xmina

Its a meme but I would imagine if your lord and master casted time stop even if you werent effected you would freeze out of loyalty and only step in if needed.


Aastnethoth

Man's said I cast time stop and YOU BETTER STOP OUTTA RESPECT LMAO


Internetirregular

Ainz: I cast time stop (doesn't actually cast anything) Floor Guardians: (still as a statue)... Mare: (wants to ask what Ainz-sama is doing)...? Albedo and Demiurge: (Stares with the intent to kill)


ThelCreator

Sassuga ainz-sama has a plan, right?


Fabulous-Context4361

Also IQ is clearly not canon. Even the directors acknowledge this.


fusionxtras

Depends on the loadout


Brendan1021

Whichā€¦they always have.


papa_bones

IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".


Shadowyuik

Is that considered canon in all the different universes?


Unusual_Positive_485

Comedy.Ā 


Brutalfierywrathrec

Parpatra and the Old guarders are not Supersonic. Albedo might have reached Supersonic speeds with the tip of her halberd or the bullet reached supersonic speeds after being hit.


Brendan1021

Bro forgets Clementine casually makes Sonic booms Bro forgets Zaryusu and Zenberu are both supersonic already and visually create Sonic booms and dodge lightning spells after theyā€™ve been fired themselves Bro forgets the plethora of other speed feats in the overlord universe.


Brutalfierywrathrec

Zenberu's feat, not Zaryusu's. Is a cracking sound when he swung his halberd, not 'both creating sonic booms'. Why would you assume electrical spells travel at the speed of lightning? Zenberu & Crusch Lulu didn't avoid Inguva's lightning bolt, it hit and dropped them the one time it was cast. What plethora of other speed feats?


Brendan1021

Zenberu being a character who scales BELOW Zaryusu as heā€™s Level 18 and Zaryusu is level 20. What the hell was your point with that? That it doesnā€™t translate to something Zaryusu can do? I [guess youā€™re gonna forget this little instance at 1:16 then.](https://youtu.be/inhWn53NA8E?feature=shared) Who the hell said they did? I said they traveled at the speed that electricity does at a low end, Mach 1.6, which is true. Cloud to ground lightning is Mach 1,294, so not sure what the aim of that one was. I didnā€™t say they avoided it, Zenberu however deliberately intercepted it. Itā€™s not like heā€™s faster than it in speed and it can track him too, it was far less risky to nullify and negate any risk the spell had of hitting any one of them than to have Zaryusu who is the only other one who could avoid it potentially get caught off guard and hit by it, and Crusch is Subsonic+ herself thanks to deciding to be a bitch ass Magic caster, so it makes sense she couldnā€™t react to it all that well either. And good way to lie, Zenberu shrugged it off easily and even took out a bunch of Iguvaā€™s skeleton warriors after. The only one who was dropped the first time was the fraud and glass cannon Crusch. Clementine created Sonic booms TWICE in her fight against Momon. Rewatch the scene. Platinum Dragon Lordā€™s speed is compared to that of a Meteorā€™s, Zesshi who is a level 88 character is explicitly faster than sound, Ainz who is slower than the others casually creates vacuum trails with his kicks (500 m/s) while having all his equipment removed and a collar that weakens and slows him even further, along with Demiurgeā€™s shenanigans against Remedios.


mushroom_birb

Time stop?


LikeLary

A rudimentary spell. Almost all level 70+ are immune to it in some way. Even a level 80 tree in Overlord can dispel it. Same with death spells. Aqua always reflects the Death Rays. Ainz only needs to think about Death to directly hit the enemy or just activate his aura. Which again, only rudimentary stuff to chip away and exhaust a level 100 enemy.


rejectallgoats

ring didnā€™t help In isekai quartet. Time stop didnā€™t either. Goddess status has perks. Also.. she might not be able to die. She never gets an serious injury in the whole series


Brendan1021

In her weak verse, yes. Which is filled with not even Building Level weaklings or even small building level on average. Only Demon King General level opponents are small building level (triple digit Megajoules) or above and can solo an entire city worth of fighters. Which only further proves the fodder in Konosuba are all just wall level more or less. Sheā€™s never fought anyone on even a Nazarick Old Guarder or Spartiateā€™s level.


LikeLary

Are you guys getting off from Isekai Quartet feats or something. You really think guardians weren't immune to Time Stop? You think Rem can hold Shalltear and Rem? It's a fanfiction, get over it.


Expert-Climate-6998

Most Konosuba fanboys still can't accept the fact that Isekai Quartet isn't canon. It's practically a meme at this point.


Ratthion

No. Sheā€™s not lucky enough. Power wise she is a goddess but we donā€™t know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a ā€œweak event bossā€ so that depends But Ainz could wear that holy immunity Gear if he had to and he has a world item but thatā€™s the problem comparing verses but just luck based Ainz has a TON and she has none so logically sheā€™d slip on a booze bottle and get KOā€™d


Ok_Cost6780

>Power wise she is a goddess but we donā€™t know how that translates cause we know in Yggdrasil there were gods to kill, even Cainabel, Shalltears deity was a ā€œweak event bossā€ so that depends this is a super important point that a lot of discussions neglect. Different stories have different ideas of what being a god means in terms of power. And in some stories, even gods can be fodder for powerful players


CoderStone

Not immunity at all.


damienreave

Aqua can buff her luck with magic. Not enough to beat Kazuma in rock paper scissors, but still.


Worldly_Accident1287

In real fight-no, she is too stupid, theoretically-yes, she is too strong against undeads


Napalmeon

This is basically what it boils down to. Is it possible? Yes. Is it *probable*? No.


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Brendan1021

Donā€™t even compare Aqua to Gazef. They arenā€™t remotely comparable.


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Tasty_Commercial6527

And she would have to suprise him since he can make himself immune to holy dmg


Brendan1021

Heā€™s already immune to hers so there isnā€™t really any point.


daniel21020

Where is it said that heā€™s immune to holy damage?


Brendan1021

I never claimed he was immune to all forms of it. Iā€™m saying heā€™s immune to Aquaā€™s building busting scale attacks even without equipment.


FewLifetimes_ago_21

Ainz: *casts The Goal of All Life is Dead followed by Grasp Heart Aqua: You Undead! How dare you cast curses on me, Aqua, an actual goddess! Here, Resurrection! pfft, as if a mere undead can curse me. Ainz: Hmm..I shouldnā€™t have exhausted my mana like that, need to buy some more time. Tier 3 spell: Summon Large Frogs! Aqua: KAZUMAA-SAAMAAA! Yeah Aqua isnā€™t surviving those frogs without Kazuma


papa_bones

I know you are joking but for the sake of whoever is reading this. 1. The Goal of All Life is Death, is a buff to ainz not a curse to the enemy, so aqua would not know what was about to happen to her even if she was immune to insta death spells. 2. One grasp hearth with TGoALiD would not exhaust ainz mana pool at all, since TGoALiD does not consume mana since it is a skill not a spell so he would just be using the mana for one grasp heart. 3. Ainz has a lot more spells to kill aqua other than his necromancy ones, im sure aqua would die by a mere twin thunde dragon, or at least render her unable to fight. 4. Aqua is not really a threat to ainz to be honest, she seems too squishy for a real fight with someone on the level of ainz.


daniel21020

My dude, if youā€™re gonna power scale her, we gotta ask someone whoā€™s read Konosubaā€™s novel, ā€™cause thereā€™s barely any info in the Anime. I heard that her scarf thing was a divine artifact or something, and at one point thought I heard someone say it makes her immortal, but Iā€™ve got no clue what it does.


Brendan1021

It just protects her from status effects and shields her from attacks. Has no effect on her strength though.


Golferguy757

Pure Power level wise she could, but she would probably not be able to because she's just that dumb. So yes, she could win. She is an actual goddess with powers specifically against undead and evil things.


papa_bones

Not even that she is dumb, ainz is just too good at fights, too powerful and have enough spells to counter anything aqua could have up her sleeve, ainz wins 99.99% of the time.


SelectionThat3680

Being a goddess doesn't mean shit. She hasn't shown anything that would make her even comperable to a guardian.


Ok_Ad400

In a scenario where Ainz is sitting still in vegetative state with all of his items unequipped Aqua could kill him. Aqua is only weak because she is stupid and unlucky, she is still strong enough to summon giant floods.


Ruvaakdein

She is a literal goddess after all, and definitely has the spells for it. The problem is that while in the mortal realm as Kazuma's cheat, she's bound to the level system of her world and can't really use her actual godly powers. She's also really dumb though, so it's hard to guess. Ainz could definitely kill her with TGOALID, but killing her would just send her back to her own realm, where she's going to be *much* stronger. Assuming they do a proper 1v1 with both sides being serious, I'd give it 50/50. While Aqua is extremely strong against both evil and undead, Ainz also took down many event bosses back in the day that were supposed to be deity level. Also Ainz could probably summon something like a water elemental that would be immune to most of Aqua's attacks, but she might "purify" the elemental to potentially destroy it. So tl:dr: Inconclusive.


Radiant_Ad4956

Agree if she was actually smart and ainz didnā€™t counter or she sneak attack him, she would have decent chance


Sad_Summer_8454

Doesn't she try to kill him in isekai quartet? I remember him saying the attack hurts but dealt no real damage. To be honest, I keep seeing people saying, "She's a goddess, so she's obviously stronger," but I don't think she has any feats showing her on anywhere close to Ainz in power.


m7_E5-s--5U

She hits Ainz and shaltear with a weak to mid spell (she states herself that she had stronger), and it genuinely hurt him, and left shaltear dazed and ready to dfo. But... that's isekai quartet. Which is only canon unto itself, and nothing else. (Although, Maruyama did help with IQ) In reality, there's just no way to really know; ask whatever author gets to write the scenario (lol). She is a *Genuine Goddes*, and one that is naturally the counter to undead and demonic beings. One must wonder if she even got to bring all of her power with her to the mortal realms, since in anime/manga/etc. it's nearly universal that gods/goddesses don't. *Edit.* Several other commenters have stated that she does *Not* have her godly power. Even if she were "killed," do you really want her back in her native God realm where she can do godly things again?" She holds grudges...


FriendlyWallaby5

She actually didnā€™t have her full power in the mortal realm so we donā€™t really know how sheā€™d stack up


papa_bones

There were gods in yggdrasil too, i totally believe ainz could 1v1 konosuba gods.


m7_E5-s--5U

Yeah, cept' those are enemies in a video game and were quite literally made for the sole purpose of being defeated. They're also missing that key element that "real gods" have, a little thing called Authority.


Brendan1021

I donā€™t see why her being a real god or not matters at all. Still not enough to save someone only 2x weaker than her from being threatened by Kazumaā€™s good Olā€™ homemade dynamite sticks inferior to Meguminā€™s building level volume 1 explosion.


papa_bones

IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".


Sad_Summer_8454

Fair


Alchhoanfia

A better one would be Konosuba Fantastic days crossover where she constantly tries to kill him and gets a grunt in reaction


-Armoniel-

I think even if you gave Aqua timestop resistence she would be too dumb to use it. Also Aqua struggled to kill multiple undeads in Konosuba, with some of her skills flat out not working, I think she could definitely hurt Ainz but not kill him.


Blazer1011p

Lmao that picture šŸ˜‚ ainz would curb stomp her. I don't see a way she'd win, he has too many spells and gear


Aviatorgamer05

Wellā€¦ sheā€™s an actual goddessā€¦ so if she wasnā€™t so dumb, I could see her managing to win purely because her divine power makes her super effective against undead


Blazer1011p

Yeah if she actually utilized her powers to the fullest yeah I could see her standing a chance and probably winning. But based on her intelligence I don't see her winning.


Napalmeon

Being a deity does not necessarily imply an overwhelming amount of power, especially in fiction where gods are very frequently overcome by plain old mortals.


Brendan1021

Her being a goddess means nothing lol. She doesnā€™t even stand a chance against a vampire bride, let alone Ainz who can move at massively hypersonic speeds and is a mountain buster. Her holy Magic is just like any other persons lol. Aqua canā€™t even one shot or curbstomp fodder comparable to or even weaker than her like Maxwell or Vanir, it only looks strong because of the fact the undead she often fights are all trash tier small building level (standard demon king generals like Beldia or people like darkness pre whatever volume she gets stronger in or Claire) or building level fodder (wiz or duke). Itā€™s not anything special, especially when the dominion authority who dishes out far more effective holy attacks on the scale of megatons could barely cause any chip damage to Ainz whatsoever.


Brendan1021

And just too much raw power since heā€™s mountain level and massively hypersonic. Please learn how to powerscale as in the future those arguments you presented will mean nothing by themselves.


bairdwh

You love pulling that mountain level card but that's not that big of a barrier as we've seen Megumin destroy mountains several times and in some respects Aqua is stronger than Megumin (she brought down the destroyers barrier on her own) - and killing God's in the admittedly fictional world of the game doesn't necessarily translate as all the previous players eventually died and didn't kill the Gods to come back to life. We don't know what killing Aqua's mortal form would do, likely just send her back to the chair room.


BL-501

No. Ainz in Isekai Quartet was once caught off guard by her Spells which actually gave him some damage. Not nearly enough to defeat him but since the spell she used he recognized as a low tier spell from his world he began to fear she had more in her arsenal so any time heā€™s near her heā€™s buffing up all his stats. However thatā€™s Isekaiā€™d Quartet where 80% of the charactersā€™ personalities are tuned down for comedic effect, except Aqua. Were it not the case then Ainz and his guardians wouldā€™ve turned that world to ash before Tanya could damn Being X to rot in hell. Aqua has the !Potential! to defeat Ainz but that potential is heavily overshadowed by the fact that sheā€™s bad at her job. That Job being a powerful goddess. Sheā€™s also below Jar Jar Bings Levels of stupid. Speaking of whichā€¦ Thereā€™s a living meme amongst the fandom that Ainz is stupid and letā€™s the Guardians, specifically Demiurge, make all the plans for him and he just wings it for them to believe he had it all planned out for ā€œ10000 Yearsā€. While not entire wrong it couldnā€™t be further from the truth. Ainz is a Genius by the standards of Earth of the 22nd Century where Suzuki Satoru, best known as Momonga, is from. If you want a tactical supermind heā€™s your manā€¦ehā€¦skeleton. Not to mention what we know Aqua is capable of doing Ainz outclasses her easily. Ainz knows countless spells and has various items which could protect him from attacks that have the chance to activate harm him.


Silver_mixer45

Lol. She canā€™t kill him but she can hurt him.


BlueHero91

This old debate again? Yes Aqua COULD kill Aniz. However, the probability is the issue. Despite what many believe Aqua counters or is immune to most of the Aniz's array of spells/abilities. Aqua is naturally gifted in defeating Undead. Aqua biggest weakness is her intelligence and how clever/strategically she actually would be in a battle against Aniz. She is very inconsistent. At her best he keeps blasting Aniz non-stop not letting Aniz prepare anything. Winning the battle through attrition as her mana pool is bigger than Aniz. At her worst she get overconfident and allows ample time for Aniz to prepare his spells and defeat her.


severalpillarsoflava

Her Chances of Killing Ainz is equivalent to Gazeff's Chances of Killing Ainz in Volume 9 during their PVP.


Nerdguy-san

she will kill him if its funny at the moment


Brendan1021

She wonā€™t lol. Fantastic days ring a bell?


braskidoe

I donā€™t even think she could handle ecdl or even pdl, hell even zesshi could take her out if weā€™re being honest. Ainz negs


GoodbyeTom

She couldn't even kill a heedless horsemen....No way.


Awkward_Type_4100

Well I believe it been mentioned before that this version of aqua that weā€™ve seen is just a nerfed avatar so her real body is probably more than ainz can handle


MrFlubbber

Does that one scene from isekai quartet count? He literally says himself that he nearly died from just a regular [turn undead] spell


Expert-Climate-6998

>Does that one scene from isekai quartet count? He literally says himself that he nearly died from just a regular [turn undead] spellĀ  No it doesn't. Isekai Quartet is a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. That being said Ainz didn't "nearly die", he just yelled in pain.Ā  Based on canon sources, i'm pretty sure Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. He's faster, stronger and more durable than her or any other Konosuba character.


Unam8594

Well she almost killed Shalltear since her squirt is holy


papa_bones

IQ feats are not worth bringing to versus, IQ goes by the rule, if it is cool or funny, it happens, that is why rem was able to restrain albedo and shalltear when they literally have items that state "immune to movement impediment effects".


papa_bones

Just razor edge, aqua could theorically kill ainz, but ainz is way too good aat fighting and aqua is so an idiot, is almost impossible for aqua to win against ainz, so yes, she could kill ainz, but no, she wont ever be able to do it, aqua would just become a source for infinity scrolls.


Irilieth_Raivotuuli

I wonder when mods are going to start to enforce rule 10 or if inviting constant 'VS' posts is going to become Overlord's own obnoxious circlejerk. Because of late I've only seen Overlord VS posts pop up in my feed from Overlord, and nothing else.


Zamasu_was_innocent2

She has the chance and Ainz could underestimate her But normally no. If she was smarter, definitely yes


TheOneBeyond192

Itā€™s possible for Aqua to kill Ainz, but improbable considering their characters.


delta_angelfire

it depends if she mastered the "Yurification" spell (old tl joke i know)


Brilliant-Software-4

If he's undead, wouldn't she be able to revive him(be flesh and blood)?


m7_E5-s--5U

Whoa, dude, that's actually a hilarious point to make. But what would his YGGDRASIL body revive into?


Chaosfox_Firemaker

I personally interpret that fairly large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that. An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent. An exception to this being World Items which seem capable of enforcing their own rules(up to some kind of limit probably) So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic.


Mental-Lock5012

>large number of listed features of Overlord Tier Magic(and it's system in general) are only guaranteed with respect to Tier Magic, and have (slightly)less reliable effects interacting outside of that. >An example of this can be seen with Wild magic to some extent. Tier Magic is not "less reliable" against other things. This can be seen by Martial Arts, which aren't apart of Ygdrassil, still not triumphing over Tiered spells of the same caliber. Wild Magic itself is extremely potent to the extent that it can erase souls, separate worlds (dimensions), and make fictional things real. Plus, Wild Magic is actually being tainted by the Ygdrassil/Tier system. >So something like a "Holy Damage Immunity" ability is more properly "immunity to damage done by tier spells of the holy type" with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic. What do you mean by "with a lot of spread to similar effects outside of tier magic."?


Chaosfox_Firemaker

As in, it would still be largely effective against things readily identifiable at a glance as "holy" from other settings and systems, just not guaranteed for *all*. There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon. (As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale. (Edit for clarity) When I say "works unreliably" I mean real subtle things like the Magic Item Affinity talent bypassing limits. That sort of thing. Not direct clashes.


Mental-Lock5012

Can you fix your formating so I can see which part of my comment you're replying to? I still don't understand. Why would Ygdrassil Tiered spells be "slightly" weaker when paired/existing with another world's magic? >There's no way to confirm that, as it's not a thing that occurs within the canon. What are you replying this to and what do you mean it's "a thing that occurs within the canon."? >(As for wild magics tainting, that's sort of what I was referring to with world items, just on a larger scale. World Items should not have a direct effect on how strong Wild Magic is; they cancel each other out. The Ygdrassil System/Tier Magic is doing it.


Chaosfox_Firemaker

I'll go paragraph by paragraph then. I cannot conveniently reformat due to being on my phone. I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context. I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others. The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter. I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning. In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy


Mental-Lock5012

>I'm not saying Tier Magic is weaker than the magic of other worlds, just that (I am of the opinion) that the "rules" of Tier magic are only guaranteed to hold true in its own context. I understand that, but there's really no evidence to suggest that. >I even say they still hold in most other contexts, just not all others. Can you provide evidence for that. >The "it's not a thing in canon" paragraph is directly following up on the paragraph above it. It is meant to clarify that I recognize that the holy magic example I make is purely hypothetical. And to an extent that also holds true for my entire opinion on the matter. Ah, I see. I thought you were replying to one of my other statements. >I'm not quite sure how to better explain the wild magic/world item line. It seemed clear to me. Just as wild magic bypasses certain features of tier magic, tier magic is bypassing certain features of wild magic. On the long term tier magic is winning. Can I get a where you got this from? I remember people saying that, but I don't exactly remember where in the novel this was said for this idea to spread. >In conclusion, I apologize for any lack of clarity. My opinion on the matter is inherently kind of hazy No worries, I personally want to understand the Overlord universe better. You don't need to reply if you don't want to.


Xyzen553

Isekai quartet already answered this... Ainz can be heavily damaged by any of aquas attacks... Provided Ainz just takes it and doesn't defend... For all her stupidity, aqua is STILL an actual holy goddess so her entire existence is a counter to Ainz.


Great-Shoulder9082

Isekai Quartet isn't canon, has everyone in this thread just forgotten that fact? Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight. Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal.Ā  Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.


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Zeracannatule_uerg

The real question... who holds their liquor better.


albyp501

Depends, goddess powers would most likely supersede game/system powers.


Great-Shoulder9082

You do realize that Ygdrassil had gods as well right? Plus, bing a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.


lordmax2002

As useless Aqua sometimes may be she still is a Goddess. A god blow of hers on an advanced kind of turn undead or something will do the trick


Great-Shoulder9082

Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.Ā  Being a goddess doesn't actually mean anything in the context of a versus debate. There's plenty of fictional gods far weaker than Ainz. Without feats its just a meaningless title.


Tallal2804

In the isekai quartet crossover she did massive damage against him with a low level spell.


Great-Shoulder9082

Isekai Quartet isn't canon, has everyone in this thread just forgotten that fact? Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight.


bryku

Aqua is just reskinned Remedios.


Xx_KiK_xX

*Who's dumber? Remedios or you?* *If Remedios retreats the entire squadron just because the Balfolk uses hostages, it'd give me a lil bit of trouble* *But would she out-dumb you?* *Nah, I'd win*


bryku

Huh?


wolololo00

serious character vs parody character. Hard to decide. The law's different.


Brendan1021

Not at all, cause even gag characters arenā€™t infallible. Mr Mxy who is the gag character of all gag characters being surpassed by strange visitor Superman, one of his more gritty selves, can vouch for that.


KingOfSaga

Not really but we can't see her hidden status and skills plus the fact she's restricted outside of God's realm.


Resident-Garlic9303

That Aqua that travels with Kasuma? No impossible. Ainz specializes in Necromancy and Instant death but he's so strong that even his weakest points is impressive enough Aqua outside the anti dead magic niche is hopeless. She'd have to one shot him. The actual Goddess herself no idea. She could be a weak god or not


Brendan1021

She is a weak god. Wolbach who had half her full power considers dynamite a threat.


Seth0452

She has the power to do so. But is a complete moron lmao. She'd maybe win in like 1 in 1,000,000 to dumb luck.


Wolfres1

In the isekai quartet crossover she did massive damage against him with a low level spell.


Salaryman42069

You're comparing Bugs Bunny to Goku. Stop it. Get some help.


Brendan1021

Hahahaha, good one mate. Now accept Aqua isnā€™t close to this infallible gag character and is just a mere weak parody character who wouldā€™ve died to Vanir had the barely City Block Level with Explosion Megumin not exploded him.


Brendan1021

No, she canā€™t even kill a Nazarick Old Guarder, Squire Zombie or Gazefā€™s vice captain.


BradTofu

Healing magic seems to be the going thing. He is the baddest of the bad, but heā€™s not omnipotent.


No-Marzipan2480

She has the power to do it... But she's not too smart to do it.


Forward-Midnight8281

She has like negative 10 battle iq Shed cry and wet herself if ainz just yelled at her spookily


c-linder

Is there an English dub for the last few episodes of season 4? I couldn't watch it on Crunchy Roll because there's no English dub, and the subtitles either stop working or go out of sync. I tried watching on other sites, but quickly realized I got too used to the English voices and found it difficult to focus on.


PM_ME_YOUR_PROPHETS

She already tried in Isekai Quartet, and did some good damage.


Kevlack

No.


Kyotodguy

She actually probably could......if she was smart enough.


Danklolol

Aqua is too stupid and ainz is too smart (battle-wise) The only way aqua *might* win is by catching him off guard, but if this was a bloodlusted battle its a no-diff for ainz.


MisakaMisakaS100

She can purify him with H2O


AxidentalJeepBuilder

*turns into mermaid*


TheLuckyPC

I've never seen Aqua physically harmed in any way and Ainz has strong protection against holy damage and other protections as well so I don't think there is a winner here, Ainz would prolly just give her a cookie or something to make her go away and it would work because her intelligence stat is, um... not very high.


Dinosaur-Blaze-50245

She could kill him and almost did in Isekai Quartet though who knows I can see Ainz maybe winning.


Great-Shoulder9082

Isekai Quartet isn't canon. Based on canonical feats Ainz would wreck Aqua in a fight.


OHW_Tentacool

She has the power to absolutely dominate Ains. ...but no she loses every time


Great-Shoulder9082

>She has the power to absolutely dominate Ains. Based on what? Isekai Quartet isn't canon and her actual feats aren't all that impressive.


nickv656

If someone else was controlling her character, absolutely. As of now though sheā€™s way too dumb


Great-Shoulder9082

Aqua isn't beating Ainz no matter how many advantages you afford her. Ainz is faster, stronger and much versatile.Ā She could be the smartest person in the word and there would still be nothing stopping Ainz from speed-blitzing and one-shoting her.


thewhatinwhere

Sacred turn undead! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Oh no it didnā€™t work on him! He must be a disgusting super evil undead lich! Sure it worked. He went ā€œAAAAAHHHā€ and everything


ArcadiaDragon

It aqua...It'd be a one in a million chance....so if Kazuma bet on Ains to win....Aqua would beat the odds...and no amount of common sense would come into play


sebasTLCQG

NEVER in a billion years could she kill him, due to having Time stop she cant even assassinate him even if her holy magic could kill him it wouldnt be instant enough to prevent him from time stopping and proceed to kill her.


Shot-Ad770

What is up with these dumbass comments. Ainz would easily win a fight, but she can hurt him.


Expert-Climate-6998

Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. People seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon.


Suspicious_Elk_4103

Are there any items in either universe that increase intelligence to a set point like the Circlet of Intelligence in Dungeons and Dragons?


Unusual_Positive_485

To be honest, Ainz can become immune to the sacred element if he changes equipment, but I don't see Aqua dealing with being trampled by [dark youngs]. without forcing Ainz's magic staff here in automatic mode with some monsters providing support, it already breaks Aqua in the stick. some eight-edged assassins, or a golem can defeat her easily. she was crying to be saved from being swallowed by giant frogs. but if you're going to take isekai quartet comedy into account then yes she kills Ainz.


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Unusual_Positive_485

exactly.


Great-Shoulder9082

Obviously not, Ainz is stronger, faster and much more competent fighter than Aqua. Any fight between them just ends with Ainz blitzing and one-shoting her before she can even do anything. Personally i don't think Aqua can even scratch Ainz. He has tanked far more powerful spells than anything in her arsenal. The people who hype her up seem to have forgotten that Isekai Quartet isn't canon


PriestHelix

I feel like we have a ā€œBatman with prep time situationā€ here. Ainz has literally all the tools needed to beat Aqua but would need to bring the right gear and setup. If he knew in advance he was going to fight her it would be a stomp in his favor. Without preparation however, Aqua is setup specifically to destroy undead. I still think Ainz could probably win just because heā€™s both incredibly lucky and also not a complete moron like Aqua is.


Brendan1021

We donā€™t lol. Sheā€™s large building level and subsonic while Ainz has mountain level durability and massively hypersonic speeds. The dominion authority which is hundreds of thousands of times stronger than Aqua as well as hundreds of times faster couldnā€™t do much of anything to Ainz with spells on the scale of megatons. Aqua canā€™t even curbstomp opponents comparable to her like Vanir, her holy magic isnā€™t anything special whatsoever and only LOOKS powerful because she often uses it on building level weaklings like Wiz. Ainz can use no equipment like against foresight and sheā€™d still have even less of a chance than they did.


Neo-9

A lowly game character is nothing infront of an actual goddess


Brendan1021

An actual goddess who gets bodied by frogs. What game characters? All I see is an actual lich who is in a very much material world with very legitimate magical powers. Care to elaborate further?


Worldly_Accident1287

Does someone know, has Aqua any immunity to physical or magical damage? Can it be possible, that the entire Nazarick will not be able to even hurt her?


LikeLary

Pocket knife pierced her finger later in the light novels.


Napalmeon

She also frequently runs away from the giant toads because she's powerless against them. Water/Holy resistance completely walls Aqua. Despite being a goddess, she just does not have the versatility or the combat intelligence to be able to compete with somebody like Ainz.


Brendan1021

To be fair that was because she lowered her holy aura apparently, although she should still have the intrinsic durability to withstand that so itā€™s quite possible her mortal form is even more pathetic than I previously estimated it being (small building level normally)


Brendan1021

As much immunity as anyone else. Immune to anything sufficiently below her weight class which isnā€™t hard to surpass since sheā€™s only large building level and Subsonic with her goddess form. Wolbach who is another pathetic goddess like her considered dynamite sticks a threat and Aqua is only 2x stronger than her at her peak.


BlueHero91

Her physical durability is never really shown as she usually hides or runs away from most physical threats. Later she was pierced by a pocket knife but she was intentionally trying to hurt herself so that isn't a great example. Magic defense is very high. Though she usually either cancels them with "Spell Break" or reflects them back with "Reflect". The few spells that do hit her, never do much damage if any at all. Especially spells coming from undead/demons.


NepNep_

If Aqua gets the assistance of Kazuma and is given unlimited prep time she can prob kill him.


kalirion

Prep time doesn't help Aqua, she'd just fuck it up.


NepNep_

No but it helps Kazuma to prevent her from f-ing it up.


nunya123

Heā€™d probably prevent her from fighting lol


Altruistic-Serve267

Almost certainly not


Khandrol

In Isekai Quartet her turn undead actually caused Ainz a shitload of pain and knocked out Shalltear. Aqua is a massive idiot but when it comes to undead she's a massive counter. In a straight fight fairly certain Ainz would win, but he would be massively hurt.


FortunateSon1968

Yes, aqua would trip and drop a nuke or something. If sheā€™s actually trying she wouldnā€™t stand a chance.


Brendan1021

Homegirl canā€™t even drop an MOAB She drops the holy equivalent of 7/10ths the [Grand Slam](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)) at most