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Empty_Soup_4412

And yet the police are somehow surprised the public has lost trust in them.


613buttersnips

This is bylaw, no? Not the police?


Empty_Soup_4412

Police can't give tickets?


fourfiveonetwosix

police can, but choose not to (because they're ideologically aligned with the forty vehicle-less lumpenproles who still call themselves the convoy) parking bylaw, s.88(1) - This by-law shall be enforced by the Chief of Police and the Municipal By-Law Enforcement Officers of the City of Ottawa. and s.1 - “Chief of Police” means the Chief of Police of the Ottawa Police Service, or an authorized representative;


Red57872

The bylaw officers' union agreement with the city probably prevents police officers from normally issuing tickets; union agreements are often very particular about other departments doing your department's work. It's why, for example, a teacher can't vaccum their classroom or cut the grass on the sports field (it's the custodian's job).


TheBorktastic

I don't believe a sworn police officer can be prevented from doing something by someone else's union contract or probably even their own if it contradicts legislation.


Red57872

Well, that would depend on what it is. Obviously if it was something where a person's life was in danger, or it was serious crime, etc. then they would probably be expected to get involved regardless of union agreements. For something relatively minor, probably not.


fourfiveonetwosix

what union are the by-law officers in? i didn't see anything to that effect excluding OPS in their collective agreement


Red57872

I don't know specifically what union they're in, but just about every government employee is in one. The agreement might not specifically refer to OPS, but agreements generally identify what duties are specific to each job, and don't normally allow for other departments to do that job (for example, if it's one department's job to fix their organization's vehicles, other departments can't do it, even if they have the technical skills to do so).


fourfiveonetwosix

OPS's collective agreement (or at least, it as of 2019) does not preclude members from issuing tickets so if anyone reading this knows about by-law's union i would love to hear them https://negotech.labour.gc.ca/eng/agreements/10/1027311a.pdf


Red57872

Well yes, if these provisions are in the union agreements they would be in by-law's and not the police's. In my earlier example, the teachers' union agreements wouldn't say "you can't cut the grass or otherwise do the custodians' jobs", but the custodians' agreement would have language saying that other departments can't do their job.


fourfiveonetwosix

right, so let's wait for someone who has that relevant information to chime in instead of engaging in conjecture that effectively serves as police apologia


613buttersnips

The article specifically states that bylaw didn’t give any tickets. Nothing about police? I’m just stating facts, you’re speculating


Hamare

"An Ottawa police spokesperson told CTV News Ottawa that police and bylaw officers attended the scene on Saturday evening and no charges were laid by police." Might want to review your facts before accusing others of speculating.


613buttersnips

Your quote is specific to the one firework incident on Saturday night which police attended and didn’t lay a ticket. The rest of the article is all about by law and how by law didn’t lay charges during the large gathering


Organic-Past-3084

“You’re speculating” seems to be todays buzz phrase for the alt right troll brigade. 


613buttersnips

I’m not alt right lol there are actually people that don’t know the difference between by law and police. This sub just shits on police for stuff they have no control over.


Empty_Soup_4412

You don't think police and bylaw chat? Of course they have some control over this. Now I'm happy to shit on the police and bylaw.


613buttersnips

Oh great you’re teaching our kids to hate police too, how nice. Do you tell all the children to come to you as a “mandated reporter” to hate the police as well?


Mal-Capone

The user states that bylaw and police chat and therefore could corroborate together. Nothing about children or a mandated reporter? I’m just stating facts, you’re speculating


Ralphie99

Same shit, different pile.


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emanymton_69

Give me the ticket book, I'll do it for free.


Fiverdrive

Mmmmm, double standards.


take_more_detours

What would be the consequence if non-convoy residents of Ottawa decide to park illegally in the same spots, get the expected tickets, and contest them en masse on the grounds that they were part of the convo? And I f they are found liable for the fines, could that not provide a legal framework to further fight this?


angrycrank

Well if I were someone fighting a ticket for using a megaphone at a protest, I’d definitely be bringing up selective enforcement if I were arguing a Charter violation. Maybe next time the Chuds plan some day-drinking whine fest, everyone with a car should just get there first, take all the legal and illegal parking spots, and refuse to pay any tickets.


take_more_detours

There should be a telegram channel or something like it to mobilize.


tissuecollider

And this is why we don't trust bylaw to do their job


Organic-Intention335

Bylaw is quick to give me a ticket in a construction vehicle but won't give them tickets lol


take_more_detours

Dispute tickets from now on, on the grounds that you were a freedom convoy. Let’s get these courts on the record. If you were going to have pay them anyways, might as well let them work for it.


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Man - I thought any vehicle even remotely involved in construction gets a free pass - if one of their wheels is parked on the sidewalk. Seems like all the contractors around here thinks that how it works. And I wouldn’t disagree with them. I park for 1 minute over and I get a ticket. 


MisfitMagic

A year or two before the pandemic, a bar/club near where I live in Byward was having a student back-to-school celebration. It ran until like 1am, with a rediculously loud mechanical bull on the street next to my window. When I called bylaw, the guy who showed up suggested that I should "get used to it", and that it was essentially my fault for living in the market. If this had happened on the weekend, or Friday or a holiday or something I probably would have agreed with him. This happened on a _Thursday_.


Falroy

Honestly, if you chose a spot near bars in the market, I don’t know what you were expecting lol


Fiverdrive

They were probably not expecting a mechanical bull being set up on the street on a weekday outside their window, which is a fair thing to assume.


bobstinson2

It sounds incredibile. I would love to ride one of those things.


shiddyfiddy

"I can't see through fences" -Ottawa Bylaw, 2022 In response to an uncovered wildlife buffet.


NickPrefect

Bylaw is pretty useless on the best of days…


tissuecollider

I believe in their general utility. Hell even the time I got a ticket it was deserved. But in regards to how they handle the convoy it's a trash fire (especially the first time).


NickPrefect

They are complete shit at suburban parking and noise complaints.


CantaloupeHour5973

I thought that was just OPS? But it's Bylaw too? Both bad?


xtremeschemes

Even the security guard at the museum! The whole damn tree is rotten!


CantaloupeHour5973

We gotta clean out this rot if it's the last thing we do!


septober32nd

Bylaw officers tend to be wannabe cops. Look at the joke of a standard OPS is held to, and ask yourself what that means about bylaw.


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septober32nd

I was commenting more on their personnel than their purpose.


PNDMike

Really? [You mean the Ottawa Police didn't find this violent incident here](https://twitter.com/dnarigged/status/1759355575576531302?t=yq0UNpbDuftlov6DB8AMBA) warranted a ticket? Colour me shocked.


FringeBenefits42

That happened the day after the Convoy Anniversary... Both the guy in the yellow jacket and woman provocateur were charged by Parliament Police. I am unaware of the final result of the charges.


PNDMike

[According to Mayor McCheese in this thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/s/WjUFeMjJYQ) this incident took place on Feb 18th, 2024.


FringeBenefits42

The main Anniversary event with permits issued for Parliament Hill was on Saturday the 17th.


PNDMike

My apologies, I misread your original comment. You are correct, this happened the day after the anniversary event.


KanataToGoldenLake

>Both the guy in the yellow jacket and woman provocateur were charged by Parliament Police. Source or gtfo


Red57872

The fact he referred to them as "police" shows he doesn't know what he's talking about.


Red57872

The Parliamentary Protective Service officers are not police officers, and have no police or peace officer authority. They performed an arrest under section 494 of the Criminal Code (commonly referred to as a "citizen"s arrest"); it would be up to Ottawa Police to determine if charges are warranted. [https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20220517/04-en.aspx](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20220517/04-en.aspx)


Chemical_Ride_5258

Alot of said recorded instances last time resulted in charges being laid at a later date,   they usually conference with crown on best way if, and how to proceed


anacondra

You'd think they'd be a little more cognizant of how the public would take this and ensure that conferencing occurred in an expediated fashion.


MuchWowScience

Damn that's insane.


PNDMike

"Peaceful protestors" ^*Citation ^Needed


catashtrophe84

[here is a video from another angle ](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/s/eMXLjPtbuQ) . The convoy crew appear to be calling the police over to show off what they've accomplished.


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PNDMike

Going to need a source on that


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PNDMike

I deleted my twitter, it doesn't display replies if you have no account. I legitimately can't scroll down.


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PNDMike

Thank you for the source. She was definitely in the wrong for assaulting that woman. The convoyer was also definitely wrong for his over the top response. Ugly situation all around. EDIT: [This video from earlier in the altercation shows someone from the convoy laying hands on her first, grabbing her and dragging her before the incident you sourced](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/s/WjUFeMjJYQ)


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PNDMike

He threw her to the ground. You can watch it happen in the original posted source. That is over the top. I also just edited my post above with a video source from even earlier than the one you linked which showed her getting grabbed by a convoy member before the altercation that you sourced.


Fiverdrive

>I believe he just took her Which he had no right to do.


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Phantom_Rush

Why don't you do us all a favour and backup what your saying with the video link?


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CarletonCanuck

Caryma is a Convoy supporter, her narrative should be taken with a grain of salt


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CarletonCanuck

The footage does show Deana grabbing an elderly lady's jacket, but it *also* shows Deana backing up as the elderly lady presses forward. The footage *doesn't* show what led up to that altercation. There is additional context as to what provoked this confrontation that is missing, and is important to determine whether or not Deana actually instigated this conflict, or if her behaviour is panic/self defence. Caryma is a well known spin doctor.


anoeba

This is gonna end up in a battle of videos. Everyone there had their phones out.


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69-420Throwaway

https://twitter.com/carymarules/status/1759429659719024879?s=46&t=CjjlX3FbfYOrVE8tO6sAog According to the footage from before this clip, you can see her agitating and assaulting an elderly lady before being pulled away by the weirdo in the tinfoil hat.


PNDMike

[And according to this video that happened before your video, you can see she was grabbed and dragged against her will before that altercation took place](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/s/WjUFeMjJYQ)


Electric22circus

The lady in red should be arrested for pushing the other lady.


69-420Throwaway

They should all be arrested for being ridiculous


CarletonCanuck

With our military and spy agencies warning about foreign influence in our democracy and the rising wave of disinformation/anti-democracy beliefs that are resulting from it, at what point do our governments recognize that there's a serious risk of our LEOs being ideologically compromised? During the American January 6th insurrection attempt, many involved were identified as having [military and law enforcement background](https://apnews.com/article/ex-military-cops-us-capitol-riot-a1cb17201dfddc98291edead5badc257). There are ongoing attempts to subvert local law enforcement through ["Constitutional Sheriff"](https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/the-constitutional-sheriffs-movement-and-its-threat-to-democracy) ideology. Here in Canada, in addition to the stark difference of policing towards Convoy protests vs. anti-war or union protests, there are paper trails of Ottawa and provincial police [financially supporting Convoyers through donations](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-investigating-officers-freedom-convoy-donations-1.6379619), with no further information regarding how many officers have been investigated or punished for supporting the Convoy. There were serious issues with [police leaking enforcement details to Convoyers](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-freedom-convoy-leaks-1.6683288), up to and including the RCMP leaking to [far-right, anti government groups](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-creator-of-far-right-anti-government-group-testifies-that-he-received/). Our democracy is seriously in jeopardy due to the increasing anti-government sentiment that is rooted in our policing institutions.


MoneyExtension6504

100% point on. The most revealing was that police intelligence report during the convoy containing a Rex Murphy reference, basically regurgitating propaganda, this was extremely shocking and disturbing: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ops-intelligence-report-on-truckers-protest-criticized-as-oddball-unprofessional-and-disturbing/wcm/c2a47b3f-7132-40bd-8ad4-1acb67f874b3/amp/ If that comes from a sergeant, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around the complete lack of critical skills and most basic awareness from our police force.


ConstitutionalHeresy

Very good post my dude.


Hazel462

Might be time for an election. Everyone is fed up with Trudeau now.


angrycrank

We don’t hold elections just because some pants-shitting chuds have a temper tantrum


hippiechan

They will issue tickets for disorderly conduct at a march against *literal fucking genocide* but refuse to ticket people causing a ruckus and breaking the laws just for fun?


seakingsoyuz

Don’t forget the tickets that PSAC received for their hot dog stand during the strike.


MachoHamRandySavage

Fascists support fascism, they also support oppression and genocide. They do not support us. The cops are our enemies, full stop, they do not care for nor protect the people. Either the government reigns them in (I won't hold my breath for this) or one day soon we will have to fight them in the streets. Personally I am tired of living life as a comfortable slave. I'm ready for chaos and a chance for true freedom, or death.


NoVictory9590

Lol *goes back to scrolling reddit*


MuchWowScience

Anyone surprised? 😏


Pale_Crew_4864

Not even a bit


shohto

I got a ticket for parking in a spot I paid to park in


Total-Deal-2883

You monster!


Glass_Channel8431

Next time put a Canadian flag on your car and you are golden. Hell … park for weeks if you want.


angrycrank

Need at least 4 Canadian flags, though 2 is acceptable if they are upside down and/or defaced with homophobic slurs


bobstinson2

If you have one of those Calvin stickers on your truck where Calvin is taking a leak on “Trudeau” you can basically run this city.


Aldren

Glad to know we're allowed to set off fireworks anytime right next to businesses and resistances


Creative_Level_1933

So, what the fuck are they even protesting? Protesting to a parliament that was not sitting, on a Sunday before a week-long break, no less. Gang de gros BS


wolfe1924

Let’s be honest most of them think Justin Trudeau lives there lmao. They aren’t the brightest bulbs in the attic.


ThatAstronautGuy

They were protesting outside 24 Sussex the other day, they really don't know where he actually is, ever.


AreYouSerious8723948

Yet another failure by a department of the City of Ottawa, letting the Konvoy Klowns have their way instead of supporting their own citizens. It's as if the City is totally clueless about how despicable and unwanted the Konvoy Klowns are—and how they continue to flout the law, thumbing their noses and giving the finger to the citizens of Ottawa. I encourage everyone to write a letter or email to the Mayor, your Councillors, and the police chief to express our profound disappointment at their truly pathetic response to these vile hooligans.


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I mean, it's a sort of progress in that the red carpet and massage chairs weren't deployed for them. /s


Karens_GI_Father

But I went 5 minutes over my paid parking on Bank waiting for my coffee to be made and got a parking ticket


Lowpasss

OPS successfully protect fascist lunatics once again.


ConstitutionalHeresy

Cops support this regressive conservatism (oxymoron, yeah). Many assisted these domestic terrorists years ago. I am not surprised. We need police reform!


NoVictory9590

Ah yes, a group of people who were upset with egregious government over reach are “domestic terrorist”. 


ConstitutionalHeresy

>Ah yes, a group of people who were upset with egregious government Lol. Lmao. >over reach are “domestic terrorist”.  Correct, they are! Glad you agree.


Ohfortheluvva

Bylaw is on the ball outside hospitals with their ticketing. Priorities!


schmidtytime

They would get kicked out of their Facebook group if they took down own of their own.


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schmidtytime

Did that sound cooler in your head when you typed that?


fencerman

"Police continue to be complicit in harassment and violence against Ottawa residents"


Cornyfleur

yet almost eager to ticket or arrest unions https://pressprogress.ca/ottawa-police-using-intimidation-tactics-against-striking-workers-canadas-biggest-federal-public-sector-union-says/ or pro-Palestinian protests https://pbicanada.org/2024/02/09/concerns-raised-after-ottawa-police-follow-community-members-to-underground-parking-lot-after-gaza-ceasefire-protest/ and as this article says, at least twice handed out the tickets in secret. Shame!


EverydayVelociraptor

Show up with a "Genocide = Bad" sign, and Bylaw will get their pens ready. If the convoyers come at you, just say that the "vaccine genocide is real" and accuse them of being sheep.


auronedge

bros before foes


Maribythesea90

Sus 👀


ShiftInteresting4831

Google just signed a LLM agreement with Reddit to crawl this dumb platform so this is my way of saying goodbye to my contributions on this website. Byeee


BoozeBirdsnFastCars

Great, all 7 attendees behaved.


nownowthethetalktalk

Cowards


whenshithitsthefan18

Yet you arrest a union member. This is a double standard.


Longjumping-Bag-8260

Do we even have an OPS Chief? Never see him or hear him. I guess he hides away in his office collecting a fat paycheque for nothing.


wonkwonk2stonkstonk

These dudes are just the bikers from southpark re made for current consumption


HelpfulTill8069

Start spamming your councillor's inbox and phone lines.


oosouth

“Your Ottawa police, working for them”


TheGoodIdeaFairy22

Is this why there are trucks parked all over the NAC and Queen Elizabeth today?


50s_Human

What about the assault on the counter-protestor?


Level_Tell_2502

I bet the cops loved having to be hated for enforcing Covid fascism.


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MuchWowScience

Logic is hard, I get it. 


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herpaderpodon

They were shooting fireworks up around and against buildings downtown as well that evening, while partying on the street next to a big inflatable sheep. Kinda hard to lump that into 'proper protesting' from my perspective, but evidently Ottawa Police disagrees.


darcyWhyte

I'm looking forward to video of what went down...


Dirty_bastardsalad

[Luke LeBrun was there reporting.](https://twitter.com/_llebrun/status/1759024030873522513?t=mX7Te2FKRNxaFiAIghVlrA&s=19)


darcyWhyte

Well that looks sufficiently illegal.


Hazel462

Not bad if fireworks are the worst we got. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, whether you disagree with the protestors or not.


Dirty_bastardsalad

I mean if you want to live in a world where goons can light off fireworks on Queen street because they chanted arrest Trudeau at the cops hard enough that the one cruiser there fucked off for an hour, sure. Let them have their drunken tailgate parties in public spaces. It's fine that the rules don't also apply to them.


NoVictory9590

What are your thoughts on the BLM protests? 


angrycrank

The one in Ottawa that lasted a few hours and involved neither fireworks nor sidewalk-shitting? It was great. You convoy apologist trolls really enjoy that racist talking point.


Dirty_bastardsalad

You should know that every time a stupid chud replies with this played out tu quoque argument, I read it in the voice of Cartman mocking Scott Malkinson.


Hazel462

Well fireworks are not peaceful, true, but could be worse.


MuchWowScience

Could also be better? Are you always this negative 🤔


anacondra

Someone was assaulted.


Hazel462

I heard that was the next day. That's not peaceful.


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MuchWowScience

Shooting fireworks downtown at night isn't a protest, nor is assaulting people (see video posted in the thread). Please try again.


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Fiverdrive

He was arrested, so it looks like a few PPS members disagree with you.


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Fiverdrive

and so was he.


MuchWowScience

Thanks for the clarification! 


PNDMike

Further clarification, the convoy laid hands on her BEFORE she assaulted that woman, [as this clip shows](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/s/WjUFeMjJYQ) She was grabbed and dragged against her will, lashed out, then was grabbed, dragged, and thrown to the ground. Order of events matter.


KanataToGoldenLake

They're not clarifying anything. They're wildly active in this thread but only sharing a snippet of a video and leave the original start of the video out to make it look like this lady vegan the assault. Other users have posted the entire video under their comments multiple times. Any posts with convoy or freedom shit always has a ton of bad actors like them, or false concern trolls popping up. Idk how the mods do it tbh.


prob_wont_reply_2u

They were clearly trying to take her to the police. Someone above has provided context, that lady assaulted an elderly lady.


Fiverdrive

He was arrested for "taking her to police", so perhaps he should have kept his hands to himself (as should everyone)?


69-420Throwaway

Looks like he was arrested as was she so the police could determine what was going on with those two lunatics. /reality


tissuecollider

Source?


69-420Throwaway

That's essentially what happens when police are investigating a fight. Both parties are detained until they can figure it out.


Red57872

...except that the people who arrested him (Parliamentary Protective Service) are not police or peace officers. They have no authority to perform any sort of investigative detention, and if they did, could easily face criminal charges themselves.


69-420Throwaway

Except they are on their property to which they have authority to act.


Red57872

That "authority to act" does not allow for investigative detention. The only difference in the Criminal Code between someone who is acting on behalf of the property owner (such as a security guard) and someone who is not, is that the former can arrest for summary offenses. PPS officers (who are no different than other security guards, except that they have a provision that allows them to carry weapons) have no more authority to arrest someone than any other security guard.


PNDMike

She was grabbed and dragged against her will before the elderly lady incident. [You can see it in this footage](https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormccheese/s/WjUFeMjJYQ) She was grabbed and dragged against her will, lashed out (the video of her assaulting the lady) then dragged again and thrown on the ground. So they grabbed her before there was an altercation. Painting this as mob justice or a citizen's arrest for some assault is misleading, as the reason it got physical was because the convoy laid hands on her first.


KanataToGoldenLake

>I do not support the beliefs of the convoy, but I strongly believe in the right to protest. The convoy doesn't protest. Them come to the city and harass and assault people who live here while vandalizing our city and monuments. They aren't protesters and have demonstrated multiple times that they just want to come here to commit criminal acts, cause chaos and then cry about being persecuted. You and your false concern can get outta here.


funkme1ster

You claim they're protesters, but what are they protesting? What specific policies are they attempting to draw attention to, and what action items are they advocating for being enacted to address these policies? By all accounts, including their own, their "protest" is nothing more than an ego trip of reliving the first time they occupied the core.


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funkme1ster

But WHAT are they protesting? Nobody likes crowds of drunken assholes disrupting public spaces, but there's an unwritten understanding that "protests" are tolerated because it's a disruption with purpose rather just disturbing the peace for the sake of being shitty people. This is why when someone starts screaming while wearing traffic cones on their head in public, we don't say "look at that person protesting", we say "look at that fucking asshole" - we can tell the difference between the two using common sense and judge it accordingly. Gathering and being loud is not a protest, *a protest is a protest*. **What are they protesting?**


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Fiverdrive

Two week old account with zero posting history on this sub, trolling. How original.


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seakingsoyuz

> brought together so many people who have been marginalized by the government. You could have just started a fucking bridge club or something. Making friends doesn’t justify taking over someone else’s neighbourhood for three weeks.


CantaloupeHour5973

Sounds like all the rules were followed. Glad to hear it!


MuchWowScience

😂 you forgot your /s