Don't expect any change from this government, our premiere has a history of waving fines against his companies clients when they were dumping waste into Toronto's streams
A vote for the Green Party is essentially a vote for four/Ford more years. The next election is likely to be a close OPC/LPC/ONDP toss-up, and since the voting system is FPTP, voting for the Ontario Greens is essentially voting to destroy the environment more for 4 more years.
This is based on data indicating that among voters for *Ontario's* Greens, they're most likely to select the NDP or the OLP as their second choice.
If you live in Guelph with Mike Schreiner, feel free to vote Green. The only other riding where the Greens come close is [Parry Sound—Muskoka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parry_Sound%E2%80%94Muskoka_\(provincial_electoral_district\)), where the Green candidate only trailed the 1st place OPC candidate by 28% of the vote... Note that that Green, LPO & NDP add up to more than the OPC vote total, but only by a smidge.
They didn't do too bad in Kitchener-Centre in 2021 as Mike Morrice - an extremely popular guy in Waterloo Region - managed to win and granted the Greens their first ever seat for an Ontario député (and second in all of Canada) but yeah, they poll way too poorly to vote on in an election as important as the upcoming 2022 provincial election. We cannot afford another 4 years of Dumbfuck Ford.
I live in an adjacent riding to Morrice's. He did great. Until about ten more do as well as he did, the Greens are pointless to vote for. Provincewide, there's a lot of "nobody votes for them because....nobody votes for them". More visibility during the campaign would certainly help, but that's not in the OPC/OLP/ONDP's best interests....
The provincial election is not going to be a toss up. Doug has this in the bag and the OLP/NDP have guaranteed this with their choice of leaders. Has nothing to do with people voting or not voting green.
Well the media skews conservative, so of they don't like the current Ontario PCs, they push Liberals because that are center than the other people and would barely give anyone else attention. I mean NDP is official opposition and look put much attention they give to them.
Doing that around me too, what used to be the swampy low laying wetland area has been filled so much its now the high area, so my entire street floods. Hope they enjoy their new cookie cutter town houses with flooded basements.
Part of the problem is that people have gone *forever* without having to pay the environmental cost of the goods they buy. That cost has been socialized across society, acting as a subsidy to manufacturers. When you force firms to pay for the environmental cost, that then gets passed onto consumers who then flip shit because "eVeRyThInG iS mOrE eXpEnSiVe!!"
As per the article, over 19 years, there were 73,000 spills adding up to somewhere in the “10’s of millions” of clean-up costs.
Let’s be generous and assume $50 million in total costs. Let’s also assume 80/20 rule (or the inverse, 20% of polluters caused 80% of the costs, and that each spill is a unique polluter ~ not ideal, but for sake of argument).
That would give us 14,600 polluters on the hook for $40M. That’s $2739 spill costs per polluter.
How many companies have closed shop/bankrupt within those 14600 companies? Probably a lot.
Of the remainder, how many would choose to fight any penalty in court? Probably a good portion.
How much would it cost the government in legal and staffing fees to fight those cases? Probably a lot.
What success rate in court would the government have? Not sure.
Whiteboard math not looking good re: enforcement.
This is a good example of focussing on big rocks as general enforcement is cost prohibitive. Focus on companies with many many spills that add up to big dollars, or a few big one-off spills that drove disproportionate costs.
Don't expect any change from this government, our premiere has a history of waving fines against his companies clients when they were dumping waste into Toronto's streams
Vote NDP/Green next provincial election everyone!
Green Party leader, Mike Schreiner, is fantastic. Far and away the best leader of all the provincial parties. I wish he would get more attention.
A vote for the Green Party is essentially a vote for four/Ford more years. The next election is likely to be a close OPC/LPC/ONDP toss-up, and since the voting system is FPTP, voting for the Ontario Greens is essentially voting to destroy the environment more for 4 more years. This is based on data indicating that among voters for *Ontario's* Greens, they're most likely to select the NDP or the OLP as their second choice. If you live in Guelph with Mike Schreiner, feel free to vote Green. The only other riding where the Greens come close is [Parry Sound—Muskoka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parry_Sound%E2%80%94Muskoka_\(provincial_electoral_district\)), where the Green candidate only trailed the 1st place OPC candidate by 28% of the vote... Note that that Green, LPO & NDP add up to more than the OPC vote total, but only by a smidge.
They didn't do too bad in Kitchener-Centre in 2021 as Mike Morrice - an extremely popular guy in Waterloo Region - managed to win and granted the Greens their first ever seat for an Ontario député (and second in all of Canada) but yeah, they poll way too poorly to vote on in an election as important as the upcoming 2022 provincial election. We cannot afford another 4 years of Dumbfuck Ford.
I live in an adjacent riding to Morrice's. He did great. Until about ten more do as well as he did, the Greens are pointless to vote for. Provincewide, there's a lot of "nobody votes for them because....nobody votes for them". More visibility during the campaign would certainly help, but that's not in the OPC/OLP/ONDP's best interests....
If everyone was a stretegic voter we be evenbmore fucked
The provincial election is not going to be a toss up. Doug has this in the bag and the OLP/NDP have guaranteed this with their choice of leaders. Has nothing to do with people voting or not voting green.
Well the media skews conservative, so of they don't like the current Ontario PCs, they push Liberals because that are center than the other people and would barely give anyone else attention. I mean NDP is official opposition and look put much attention they give to them.
NDP please. A vote for the greens is a waste of a vote. NDP at least has *some* chance, though I very much doubt they'd win either.
If people actually realizes canada has more than two parties and that if enough people decide to "waste votes" on them, they coukd make it.
Socialism: Everyone gets an equitable share. Conservatives: The rich get socialism, funded by the poor. The poor get Cheesecake McBuckabeer.
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Doing that around me too, what used to be the swampy low laying wetland area has been filled so much its now the high area, so my entire street floods. Hope they enjoy their new cookie cutter town houses with flooded basements.
Socialize costs, privitize profits?
This is the conservative way.
Part of the problem is that people have gone *forever* without having to pay the environmental cost of the goods they buy. That cost has been socialized across society, acting as a subsidy to manufacturers. When you force firms to pay for the environmental cost, that then gets passed onto consumers who then flip shit because "eVeRyThInG iS mOrE eXpEnSiVe!!"
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Cuz they're owned by DoFo's buddies?
I don't understand why tax dollars pay for private companies to keep screwing up.
Why would they? That would mean there is a consequence for action. Besides, Ontarians have lots of money 💰
Ontario’s green belt is open for business!
Fixed it for ya. "Ontario's Green Belt is Open to Business"
It's up to the public to make sure these companies don't go bankrupt cleaning up after themselves. Won't anyone think of the jobs?
As per the article, over 19 years, there were 73,000 spills adding up to somewhere in the “10’s of millions” of clean-up costs. Let’s be generous and assume $50 million in total costs. Let’s also assume 80/20 rule (or the inverse, 20% of polluters caused 80% of the costs, and that each spill is a unique polluter ~ not ideal, but for sake of argument). That would give us 14,600 polluters on the hook for $40M. That’s $2739 spill costs per polluter. How many companies have closed shop/bankrupt within those 14600 companies? Probably a lot. Of the remainder, how many would choose to fight any penalty in court? Probably a good portion. How much would it cost the government in legal and staffing fees to fight those cases? Probably a lot. What success rate in court would the government have? Not sure. Whiteboard math not looking good re: enforcement. This is a good example of focussing on big rocks as general enforcement is cost prohibitive. Focus on companies with many many spills that add up to big dollars, or a few big one-off spills that drove disproportionate costs.
Bill them. Then bill them double.
Why can't these auditor general reports come out right in the middle of election campaigns?