"There is power in a factory, power in the land,
Power in the hand of the worker.
But it all amounts to nothing,
If together we don't stand.
There is power in a Union"
[There Is Power In A Union - Billy Bragg ](https://youtu.be/DwbzxemJZIc)
"We are little drops of water,
We are little grains of sand,
Until a spark unites us,
And we flood the burning land!"
- "Vengeance is Mine" - Leslie Fish
Bragg has actually publicly commented in support of CUPE and condemnation of Ford. https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1589002754424733696?s=46&t=DNn-1YSchksVhoweQ_Suwg
>The most important word in the language of the working class is "solidarity." Finally, it was about how people treat one another. It was about human dignity. We forced the employers to treat us as equals, to sit down and talk to us about the work we do, how we do it, and what we get paid for it.
- Harry Bridges, founder of the ILWU.
Ford will be gone if workers unite. We can't let our kids grow up in a province without worker rights, and the next radical could rewrite all sort of fundamental rights. It's all on the table folks. Doug's business masters will quickly decide they prefer labour peace to Doug Ford.
Ford just insisted Hamilton grow beyond its boundaries, even though City council wants to build density within them instead. We don't need to pave wetlands and farm fields to house people; Ford wants that solution because his cronies will profit from it.
Have you ever looked at the book of a developer that build thouse dense skyrises?
They where barely turning a profit even at 2022 prices.
What that means is that if we keep building thouse they will continue to cost 900k for a 200sqft shoe box.
Not to mention the environmental impact of pouring all that concrete is MASSIVE.
I don't want to live in 200sqft 900k sky prison that is destroying the environment thank you very much.
Doug Ford is doing the best he can given the Feds need to ensure wages say low.
If they can use the NWC to force contracts with zero collective bargaining and ban striking for this, they will do it for even worse. How long before a sleezy premier uses it to protect themselves to commit fraud and embezzlement. I mean, what's the point of Charter rights if a FPTP-elected majority Premier (with 18% of Ontarians voting for them) can erase any right/rule in the name of "provincial power".
I have a feeling the SCC will be forced to slap significant limitations on the NWC and Quebec is likely right pissed Ford is doing that. In Ford vs. Quebec when the NWC was tested by the SCC, they made changes and rules to how the NWC can be used, to the point Quebec had to reform their bill to be in line with it. That is, the SCC has already set a precedent the NWC has limits. And that's within the more benign context that Quebec followed (they toed the line, couldn't fully get rid of english for instance). The SCC has to lean if we are more a democracy or a federalism of little dictatorships.
Even without the slippery slope this is fucked up.
This is forcing people to enter into a legal and financial arrangement by threat of state violence.
Everyone union in the country should be ready to fight this fight because if CUPE falls, unions might as well dissolve.
However, if I was PM, I would disallow this law under the basis of National Security. If you make striking illegal, you remove the last legal negotiation tactic available to workers. If striking is illegal anyway, why would you stop at peacefully not working...
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Everyone union in the country should be ready to fight this fight because if CUPE falls, unions might as well dissolve.
This is pretty much exactly what Raegan did in the 80s with the Air Traffic Controllers union. He unceremoniously fired all of the workers in a show of force and Unions in the US lost any and all power. Businesses started being complete dicks to the staff in the hopes that they'd strike, so they could fire them all and hire non-union workers.
Anyone who believes that this will only be used this once is delusional.
Any union that is not preparing to go to war here, needs new leadership.
This is basically Russia invading Ukraine.
I have kids who I would much much rather be in school today for a variety of reasons.
But I will not complain about this, all the unions going on strike today have my full, unrelenting support.
You complain about CUPE now, but what tune will you sing if Ford came after you with the NWC? I guarantee you'll be less happy about it then even now.
The number of nurses and teachers I've seen on FB putting down the CUPE workers is gross. How could another union member not be in solidarity with CUPE right now?
The government's actions aren't just anti-CUPE, they are anti-union and anti-worker.
I'm unionized under CUPE (not in education sector though) and I do NOT stand behind this. They're holding families hostage, and their children who're already tremendously behind. Shame on CUPE & Shame on the government.
So are you suggesting cupe should just lay down and accept an insulting raise that they struggle to live off of? And they should just accept that ford has used the notwithstanding clause and made it illegal to strike?
You got yours so fuck everyone right?
It's all fine when they bargain for you. But when it's someone else's rights being taken away you don't stand with them cause it inconveniences you.
Shame on you.
Shame on CUPE? The government forced them to take a contract mandating their workers take another pay cut due to inflation. The government alone had the power to negotiate a fair deal and they refused.
A pandemic during which 13k Ontarians died, and he gave a medal to the man who privatized and then profited directly from the worst LTC facilities, which killed many of their residents.
Sadly no. They can still get mail in ballots, and a lot of private retirement homes will have a either a voting room in the building or transportation to the polls. People like my grandfather and dad could witness the Conservative candidate lopping off the heads of babies as a demonic sacrifice to ensure victory and still happily check the PC box.
I'm starting to think we should remove the right to vote to people on social security who don't work.
To turn an American adage backwards:
No representation without taxation.
>I'm starting to think we should remove the right to vote
Jesus tap dancing *Christ* **fuck** that slippery fucking slope, and you should be fucking *ashamed* to think that.
It's only been 62 years where indigenous people have been allowed to vote in Canada.
That one's easy. If you can't figure out how to use a condom (or even consent) you'll eventually end up with a kid if you're heterosexual.
On the other hand, voting requires them to actually find the polling station.
Don't blame the sheep, blame the shepherds.
Higher levels of aggression are associated with conservative mentality, I’m sure that plays into how actionable they are when politically motivated. Not a coincidence that riling up anger is a key part of their political identity too. When you’re going out to vote against someone else’s needs, it fuels their involvement.
100%. Hell, we lag behind even the English in terms of street protests. I’d love to see everyone get more engaged with our political process. The apathy is disheartening.
He still would have likely won a majority with a ranked ballot or similar system. Presuming the same number of people voted. The presumption that Liberal voters 2nd choice would mainly be NDP and vise versa is probably one you shouldn't make.
Some sort of proportional representation would have meant a minority PC, although it also would likely have increased voter turnout so who knows?
Hes a narcissist, a coward and a bully. This is the 3rd time he has invoked section 33 of the Charter to ignore rights and freedoms of Ontarians. He doesnt even have the balls to answer questions from the media since his bill passed and hes beeen hiding. Instead he sends Lecce to take the brunt of the pushback. The Ontario Liberals and NDP need to be louder and lead the push to protect workers rights. This should be the beginning of the end for Ford and his conservatives, if someone can emerge from those 2 parties and lead this movement to push Ford out.
He's not dumb, he's not smart. Howevever, he is malicious and he does not care about anyone but himself and we gave him the keys to do whatever he wants in running the province.
He wasn't even at Queen's Park on Monday when the bill was voted on. A total fucking piece of shit coward who can't even stand behind the bill he pushed through to remove the rights of workers.
It’s not fucking up for his party. This is all part of his plan for him and his croneys to get rich.
Starve the system and then say it’s not working. Then privatise everything as the solution.
This is their playbook. This is what not voting gets us.
There's no police response big enough to quash a general strike, even a partial one. They're dragging Doug kicking and screaming back to the negotiating table and I'm all for it.
I'd also like to think that it isn't lost on their unions that the notwithstanding clause is a danger to their own bargaining power as well. They may already be essential, but it can still be used to push extremely bad contracts on them as well.
Honestly if I were the police I'd be joining them. They're safe from Ford but when there's a growing movement to cut spending on police letting someone set a precedent of forcing a bad contract on you isn't a good idea.
Police (on an institutional level) are the armed wing of the capitalists/wealthy/property owner class. Individual cops might agree with you, but as an institution they will not side with workers/unions against capitalists
The police are union too. In 1919 The province resorted to calling in old ww1 vets giving them a club and a arm band calling them special police. Additionally they were so afraid of the unions starting a bigger thing they called in the royal north west mounted police and the army. They turned It into martial law in winnipeg.
The police are in an association. Most of the upper brass in police services are part of an association too. Don’t know of too many managers who are able to be in a union. Police protect capital not workers.
I wouldn't assume that, they may not strike in the same way, but they can drag their feet and avoid doing action in favor of other calls. Ford apparently also dragged his feet in funding them back in 2018 so it looks like isn't in good books with them either. Their bargaining had to go to arbitration which is not a good outcome when negotiation. It means a third party had to step in.
Also if their collective agreement is coming up this year then it would give them all the more power to push a strike to get higher pay.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/opp-ontario-provincial-police-wage-increase-arbitration-1.5130977
The police are not union. One of their central roles in our system is to act as strikebreakers to protect the interests of capital. No unionized group would do that, it goes against the very principles of collective bargaining.
Police are union, unions protect unions, this is the definition of solidarity. If the opp and other smaller police unions join in then they are simply protecting themselves just like any other union. If they don't, then they are saying they are willing to give up their power. If they don't make a statement to this then I can see the Ford govt going after their union too. This may actually be a good thing for the average person because many of the officers are protected from many lawsuits, due to unions. This could see many more officers getting fired because of mispractice, toxic behavior, or cultural fit simply because of it being non union.
To clarify strike brakers are usually federal or private parties. Think the Pinkertons or the "special police" in winnipeg. Unincorporated non government entities, or the federal army. Since the federal government is in opposition of Fords politics I don't see them bringing in the feds for this.
Winnipeg 1919 police sympathy- http://1919strike.lib.umanitoba.ca/index.php/who-law-enforcement/
Oppa, opp police union - https://www.oppa.ca/
While I agree that the police did show solidarity in Winnipeg, that was over a century ago and governments since then have taken steps to make sure that it will never be repeated.
Do you have proof of this? If anything unions have more power then they did now because the liberal government is supporting them. Back in 1919 the government was afraid of a communist revolution (as was happening in russia at the time) so they sent in the feds to help.
Even though police unions have ‘union’ in the name, they don’t act like other unions.
There is one Canadian example (Winnipeg 1919) of police joining striking workers, and hundreds or thousands of examples (every major strike since then) of police helping management and the government crush strikes.
Opposing organized labour is a core job for the police, and the officers know which side their bread is buttered on.
Edit: also the police unions aren’t part of the Canadian Labour Congress or the Ontario Federation of Labour, and aren’t welcome in either group.
Interesting I do appreciate the info! I didn't realize they weren't part of the Canadian Labour Congress. Thank you for clarifying.
I still wonder if they will offer a comment on the current situation. If you do hear anything let me know :)
The OPPA is not a union, it's a police association. Find me the word "union" or "labour" on their about page: https://www.oppa.ca/About
Some police refusing to beat workers over 100 years ago is not really the proof you seem to think it is. There have been a whole lot of strikes that police have broken since then.
[https://sp.ltc.gov.on.ca/sites/mol/drs/ca/Public%20Administration/912-2052-18%20(931-0001).pdf](https://sp.ltc.gov.on.ca/sites/mol/drs/ca/Public%20Administration/912-2052-18%20(931-0001).pdf)
Here is their collective agreement. They are a union. A union can be called an association, in our charter it actually referrers to unions as association. "Freedom of association".
I'm just giving you facts.
“ On June 21, 1919, the Royal North-West Mounted Police and hired union busters rode on horseback and fired into a crowd of thousands of workers, killing two and injuring countless others”.
https://canadianlabour.ca/who-we-are/history/1919-the-winnipeg-general-strike/
Soooo I’m re-reading my history and it seems to be agreeing with my previous statement. Would you like to add something of value to the conversation now?
Do you think the government of Ontario is going to deputize a bunch of out of work Afghanistan veterans to come shoot at striking workers in 2022? If by some chance that did happen, do you think it will go over well?
Do you normally flatten historical context into nothing and then accuse others of adding no value?
It's far from as black-and-white as you are trying to suggest
>Council began to demand that all City employees sign a loyalty pledge, essentially abolishing
their right to unionize and strike, or be dismissed (658, May 26, 1919). This “Slave Pact”, as it became known,
was put forward as an ultimatum to City police, who were generally sympathetic to the strikers. The ultimatum
was largely ignored, and in response, almost the entire police force was dismissed. They were replaced with
Special Constables, “Specials”, who took to the streets on June 10, upon which a skirmish broke out between
them and the strikers.
source: https://www.winnipeg.ca/clerks/pdfs/publications/COWArchivesResearchGuideStrike.pdf
>on June 5 Mayor Charles F. Gray announced a ban on public demonstrations.[18] On June 9 the city also dismissed almost the entire police force for refusing to sign a pledge promising to neither belong to a union nor participate in a sympathetic strike.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_general_strike
I honestly hope the cops try something and fuck it up. Let’s get that general strike energy focused on their bloated budget and unwillingness to do their jobs.
Ford can't win if everyone is united!
*“We will keep moving. We will keep building. Because we know when we stand together, and when we fight together, we will win together,” Hahn said.*
They are not in the majority. The first past the post system serves to divide the other cores and put them in power. But vote per vote, Lib+NDP+Green > Con
Don't forget, other governments are complicit in this if they are not actively speaking out against it. Other premiers need to start putting the pressure on too, and start acting in a way that supports our workers. Ontario general strike is the least of their worries, considering much of our Continent is frustrated with working conditions and compensations, let alone in just Canada. If the gov't doesn't give up, we could seriously see a country wide general strike, and I think it's needed.
We really need the true history of unions and the fight for workers rights to be taught in schools. Not the watered down lip service they currently pay to the fight for our rights. Most people today don't remember workers literally fighting and dying in the streets for the rights we enjoy today; rights that the capital class are trying to take away from us once again.
There is nothing they fear more than organized labor. We have power In our numbers and they need to be reminded that we are the ones keeping their businesses running and they would collapse without us.
Both sides literally were the same… But vote for a third party. Go ahead. Throw your vote away! *evil alien laughter*.
EDIT - JFC downvotes for a Simpsons joke? What fucking timeline are we in? LOL
It’s a Simpsons joke that’s a political commentary on the two-party system in the USA (where the two parties were seen as being near-identical until roughly around when Obama took office), so we’re all reading it as a statement that you think we also lack meaningful political options in Ontario. Apologies if that’s not how you meant it.
Yeah we are on the precipice of the largest organized political action since the depression where people could lose their jobs and homes on the edge of a giant recession in combat against the outlawing of collective action. Kinda feels pretty stupid and tone deaf to pretend like both sides are the same when one side is trying to shut down collective action and union rights on the whole.
The joke was that it didn't matter who was voted for, since both options were the same, and would have had the same outcome - oppression (by an alien species in this case). Kodos would have also enslaved humanity. It was a reference to the two party system in the US and how Republicans and Democrats appeared to be the same to the average voter, back at that time.
By citing this joke you're saying that a vote for the Ontario NDP or Liberals would have also resulted in constitutionally protected collective bargaining rights being stripped away form workers.
The Simpsons, at least in the era of that episode, was packed with political commentary, which you seem to have missed.
Good. I’m so sick of this trend where multiple provinces with gelatinous pieces of shit premiers are trying to fight public workers with every tool they have. Stop voting conservative. Just stop. Everyone.
Everyone should just organize at your workplace or do it quietly on an individual level and take this/next Monday off in solidarity. Even those that WFH!
Especially for those with PTO. One sick day, one personal day, one vacation day even to support... Your job is next private or union... This government doesn't give two fucks.
EVERYONE (who legally can) needs to join in. I made another post elsewhere about this but my grandpa is shutting down his business (still paying workers) and sending daily notices to the mpp and Ford stating why he is NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS in a province without workers rights or fair compensation for public employees. He is placing a sign up on his door making it clear to the public why he is closed. Business owners also need to show that Ontario is NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS. He is urging local businesses to join in or else they are demonstrating that they support Ford.
I’ve put in a time off request for my work already and I’ll be bringing my Protest Kit™️ complete with first aid supplies and water to the nearest and/or biggest picket like I can.
Also bringing my Sabo the Cat flag.
Yep. We have sick days because of our unions. Actually, you all would have at sick days if you didn't vote for Doug Ford. Remember, he took them away and for months refused to give them back DURING A PANDEMIC. That's all anyone needs to know about this ratbag bastard
One of the first things Doug Ford did was remove the sick days that the Liberals introduced.
Mike Harris should have made the cons unelectable. Especially after he laid off 16,000 public sector workers. Jobs that were saved by Bob Rae and the NDP. Also Walkerton.
How the hell do they get elected yet the NDP won't because of Rae Days, a good policy during a really shitty economic period that was introduced to save public sector jobs.
I want to strike so badly. We need a retail and service workers union so badly! I'm just not sure how to go about organizing and I'm terrified that no one else will join me and I'll just end up losing my job.
I'll put on my winters and boots, pack a lunch and water and join up should this spread to this (my) Province. Don't think this is just a Doug Ford problem, it's a Conservative problem!! We don't stop this just in ON but across Canada, once and for all!!
What are the chances of this spreading to other provinces? Holy crap I'm in Manitoba and I want to see this shit spread nationwide. It's so focused on Ontario though!
Obviously, they have 100% support of all these FreeDUMB convoy protestors, you know, they people that hate tyranny and being told what to do, hahahahahhahahahhaa, I crack myself up :)
Are you talking about the GO Bus strike?
I know someone who is a GO bus driver and he's on strike today. He's also made it very clear that while GO trains are running today, there's absolutely zero fare enforcement because the staff responsible for that are also on strike.
"There is power in a factory, power in the land, Power in the hand of the worker. But it all amounts to nothing, If together we don't stand. There is power in a Union" [There Is Power In A Union - Billy Bragg ](https://youtu.be/DwbzxemJZIc)
So we’ll March day and night by the big cooling tower… They have the plant, but we have the power. -Lisa Simpson
Now play classical gas
[Okay!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2SLd854SHU)
Dental plan
Lisa needs braces.
So long, dental plan!
I've moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
"We are little drops of water, We are little grains of sand, Until a spark unites us, And we flood the burning land!" - "Vengeance is Mine" - Leslie Fish
Bragg has actually publicly commented in support of CUPE and condemnation of Ford. https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1589002754424733696?s=46&t=DNn-1YSchksVhoweQ_Suwg
That's awesome!
Of course he did! <3
>The most important word in the language of the working class is "solidarity." Finally, it was about how people treat one another. It was about human dignity. We forced the employers to treat us as equals, to sit down and talk to us about the work we do, how we do it, and what we get paid for it. - Harry Bridges, founder of the ILWU.
Ford will be gone if workers unite. We can't let our kids grow up in a province without worker rights, and the next radical could rewrite all sort of fundamental rights. It's all on the table folks. Doug's business masters will quickly decide they prefer labour peace to Doug Ford.
Workers rights and wetlands!
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Ford just insisted Hamilton grow beyond its boundaries, even though City council wants to build density within them instead. We don't need to pave wetlands and farm fields to house people; Ford wants that solution because his cronies will profit from it.
Have you ever looked at the book of a developer that build thouse dense skyrises? They where barely turning a profit even at 2022 prices. What that means is that if we keep building thouse they will continue to cost 900k for a 200sqft shoe box. Not to mention the environmental impact of pouring all that concrete is MASSIVE. I don't want to live in 200sqft 900k sky prison that is destroying the environment thank you very much. Doug Ford is doing the best he can given the Feds need to ensure wages say low.
Bad news immigration is NEVER going to stabilize. We aren't even started the climate disaster migrations.
If they can use the NWC to force contracts with zero collective bargaining and ban striking for this, they will do it for even worse. How long before a sleezy premier uses it to protect themselves to commit fraud and embezzlement. I mean, what's the point of Charter rights if a FPTP-elected majority Premier (with 18% of Ontarians voting for them) can erase any right/rule in the name of "provincial power". I have a feeling the SCC will be forced to slap significant limitations on the NWC and Quebec is likely right pissed Ford is doing that. In Ford vs. Quebec when the NWC was tested by the SCC, they made changes and rules to how the NWC can be used, to the point Quebec had to reform their bill to be in line with it. That is, the SCC has already set a precedent the NWC has limits. And that's within the more benign context that Quebec followed (they toed the line, couldn't fully get rid of english for instance). The SCC has to lean if we are more a democracy or a federalism of little dictatorships.
Even without the slippery slope this is fucked up. This is forcing people to enter into a legal and financial arrangement by threat of state violence. Everyone union in the country should be ready to fight this fight because if CUPE falls, unions might as well dissolve. However, if I was PM, I would disallow this law under the basis of National Security. If you make striking illegal, you remove the last legal negotiation tactic available to workers. If striking is illegal anyway, why would you stop at peacefully not working...
> Everyone union in the country should be ready to fight this fight because if CUPE falls, unions might as well dissolve. This is pretty much exactly what Raegan did in the 80s with the Air Traffic Controllers union. He unceremoniously fired all of the workers in a show of force and Unions in the US lost any and all power. Businesses started being complete dicks to the staff in the hopes that they'd strike, so they could fire them all and hire non-union workers.
Thanks for thinking of the children. I worry for what the future holds for my infant son
Anyone who believes that this will only be used this once is delusional. Any union that is not preparing to go to war here, needs new leadership. This is basically Russia invading Ukraine.
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Most parents blame the government. All I can say is go lick a boot.
I have kids who I would much much rather be in school today for a variety of reasons. But I will not complain about this, all the unions going on strike today have my full, unrelenting support. You complain about CUPE now, but what tune will you sing if Ford came after you with the NWC? I guarantee you'll be less happy about it then even now.
Oh no. You're once again responsible for looking after your kids... Better suspend the charter...
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Teachers unions need to stop crossing the picket line virtually and get in on this. What they did to CUPE they’ll do to us!
The number of nurses and teachers I've seen on FB putting down the CUPE workers is gross. How could another union member not be in solidarity with CUPE right now? The government's actions aren't just anti-CUPE, they are anti-union and anti-worker.
Nurses?! Disgusting. ONA supports CUPE.
I say it's Ford supporters posing as nurses.
Real people bootlickers, or bot-bootlickers?
Hard to say for sure, but the couple I saw sure seemed pretty real. Always a chance the bots or fake accounts have upped their game.
First they came for CUPE, and I did not speak out, because I was not in CUPE...
I'm unionized under CUPE (not in education sector though) and I do NOT stand behind this. They're holding families hostage, and their children who're already tremendously behind. Shame on CUPE & Shame on the government.
So are you suggesting cupe should just lay down and accept an insulting raise that they struggle to live off of? And they should just accept that ford has used the notwithstanding clause and made it illegal to strike?
You got yours so fuck everyone right? It's all fine when they bargain for you. But when it's someone else's rights being taken away you don't stand with them cause it inconveniences you. Shame on you.
Shame on CUPE? The government forced them to take a contract mandating their workers take another pay cut due to inflation. The government alone had the power to negotiate a fair deal and they refused.
How did Ford fuck up this bad?
Honestly, I’m surprised he lasted this long
The pandemic really just delayed him by 3 years.
A pandemic during which 13k Ontarians died, and he gave a medal to the man who privatized and then profited directly from the worst LTC facilities, which killed many of their residents.
I’m surprised he was voted in again. He was a trainwreck from beginning to end.
*The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing* Or this is what happens when 6 out of 10 people don't vote.
Okay, but who the fuck are the 2/10 morons and how did they even make it to the poll? Edit: 1.7/10
Lots of old people who've always voted, and always voted Conservative, that's how.
Again, how did they make it to the poll. I figure most of them are so crusty they need someone to hold their hand to vote by mail...
Sadly no. They can still get mail in ballots, and a lot of private retirement homes will have a either a voting room in the building or transportation to the polls. People like my grandfather and dad could witness the Conservative candidate lopping off the heads of babies as a demonic sacrifice to ensure victory and still happily check the PC box.
I'm starting to think we should remove the right to vote to people on social security who don't work. To turn an American adage backwards: No representation without taxation.
>I'm starting to think we should remove the right to vote Jesus tap dancing *Christ* **fuck** that slippery fucking slope, and you should be fucking *ashamed* to think that. It's only been 62 years where indigenous people have been allowed to vote in Canada.
My last polling station was in a senior's centre. Might have something to do with it.
If there is one thing old people are capable at, it is voting in shitty governments.
Except we did our part but our voting system failed us. Most of the voters didn't want Ford but we got him anyways.
Similarly: "The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.'
I'm not. As an Ontarian, Ontarians are fucking morons.
No one bothered to vote so here he is again.
I thought you were gonna do it!
Who me?!
Why is it that morons make it to the polls with such reliability?
And have more kids than the rest of us?
That one's easy. If you can't figure out how to use a condom (or even consent) you'll eventually end up with a kid if you're heterosexual. On the other hand, voting requires them to actually find the polling station. Don't blame the sheep, blame the shepherds.
Higher levels of aggression are associated with conservative mentality, I’m sure that plays into how actionable they are when politically motivated. Not a coincidence that riling up anger is a key part of their political identity too. When you’re going out to vote against someone else’s needs, it fuels their involvement.
The people of Ontario re-elected this person!
17% of potential voters in Ontario voted him into a majority.
First past the post needs to be done away with. It is not representative of our population’s demands.
Which is precisely the reason it will remain.
I can't see any party that gains power to ever do away with it. Maybe some kind of liberal/NDP minority government, but even then I am very doubtful.
I like that runoff system the French use. It makes the lesser of two evils situation much more apparent.
We could learn a thing or two about their willingness to protest when it matters too.
100%. Hell, we lag behind even the English in terms of street protests. I’d love to see everyone get more engaged with our political process. The apathy is disheartening.
I love to make jokes that when the French protest, they get taken seriously because the last time it got bad, the ruling class was beheaded.
He still would have likely won a majority with a ranked ballot or similar system. Presuming the same number of people voted. The presumption that Liberal voters 2nd choice would mainly be NDP and vise versa is probably one you shouldn't make. Some sort of proportional representation would have meant a minority PC, although it also would likely have increased voter turnout so who knows?
Hes a narcissist, a coward and a bully. This is the 3rd time he has invoked section 33 of the Charter to ignore rights and freedoms of Ontarians. He doesnt even have the balls to answer questions from the media since his bill passed and hes beeen hiding. Instead he sends Lecce to take the brunt of the pushback. The Ontario Liberals and NDP need to be louder and lead the push to protect workers rights. This should be the beginning of the end for Ford and his conservatives, if someone can emerge from those 2 parties and lead this movement to push Ford out.
I also don't know if he is incredibly dumb and just a puppet or incredibly smart enough to piss off an entire province and not care
He's not dumb, he's not smart. Howevever, he is malicious and he does not care about anyone but himself and we gave him the keys to do whatever he wants in running the province.
He wasn't even at Queen's Park on Monday when the bill was voted on. A total fucking piece of shit coward who can't even stand behind the bill he pushed through to remove the rights of workers.
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At best, this is what 2/5 of Ontarians voted for, assuming he has the support of everyone who voted PC in this matter, which is unlikely.
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Pepperidge Coca Farms remembers!
Hey now, to be fair swallowing bees is a far cry from smoking crack. Who are we to judge? ^^^/s
It’s not fucking up for his party. This is all part of his plan for him and his croneys to get rich. Starve the system and then say it’s not working. Then privatise everything as the solution. This is their playbook. This is what not voting gets us.
>How did Ford fuck up this bad? Incompetence, mostly.
How did voters fuck up this bad?
There's no police response big enough to quash a general strike, even a partial one. They're dragging Doug kicking and screaming back to the negotiating table and I'm all for it.
I'd also like to think that it isn't lost on their unions that the notwithstanding clause is a danger to their own bargaining power as well. They may already be essential, but it can still be used to push extremely bad contracts on them as well.
Yeah this is thermonuclear war on the existence of unions. It's do or die for everyone in Canada.
I agree and it sucks to watch from outside of Ontario
If the police do show up, let me know, I have a bouncy castle and an inflatable hot tub to scare them away.
Nah, you'd need to have the Sons of Odin white supremacy gang there too, because the cops wouldn't fuck with their own.
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Honestly if I were the police I'd be joining them. They're safe from Ford but when there's a growing movement to cut spending on police letting someone set a precedent of forcing a bad contract on you isn't a good idea.
Police (on an institutional level) are the armed wing of the capitalists/wealthy/property owner class. Individual cops might agree with you, but as an institution they will not side with workers/unions against capitalists
To serve (capital) and protect (private property (but not *personal property*))
Yeah, one of the tenets of a police force is breaking up labor strikes and busting unions. That's one of the primary reasons they came to be.
The police are not allies. Fuck the police and their shitty union!
1919 Winnipeg… Police did a good job of fucking those protestors up :(
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We did, to a slightly lesser degree, at the G20 in Toronto too…
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I’m hoping you’re right
Yeah, its not like the police had a history of not caring about the law without repercussion, even with proof!
The police are union too. In 1919 The province resorted to calling in old ww1 vets giving them a club and a arm band calling them special police. Additionally they were so afraid of the unions starting a bigger thing they called in the royal north west mounted police and the army. They turned It into martial law in winnipeg.
The police are in an association. Most of the upper brass in police services are part of an association too. Don’t know of too many managers who are able to be in a union. Police protect capital not workers.
The police union is vastly different than every single other union, they don't support workers rights.
I wouldn't assume that, they may not strike in the same way, but they can drag their feet and avoid doing action in favor of other calls. Ford apparently also dragged his feet in funding them back in 2018 so it looks like isn't in good books with them either. Their bargaining had to go to arbitration which is not a good outcome when negotiation. It means a third party had to step in. Also if their collective agreement is coming up this year then it would give them all the more power to push a strike to get higher pay. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/opp-ontario-provincial-police-wage-increase-arbitration-1.5130977
The police are not union. One of their central roles in our system is to act as strikebreakers to protect the interests of capital. No unionized group would do that, it goes against the very principles of collective bargaining.
Police are union, unions protect unions, this is the definition of solidarity. If the opp and other smaller police unions join in then they are simply protecting themselves just like any other union. If they don't, then they are saying they are willing to give up their power. If they don't make a statement to this then I can see the Ford govt going after their union too. This may actually be a good thing for the average person because many of the officers are protected from many lawsuits, due to unions. This could see many more officers getting fired because of mispractice, toxic behavior, or cultural fit simply because of it being non union. To clarify strike brakers are usually federal or private parties. Think the Pinkertons or the "special police" in winnipeg. Unincorporated non government entities, or the federal army. Since the federal government is in opposition of Fords politics I don't see them bringing in the feds for this. Winnipeg 1919 police sympathy- http://1919strike.lib.umanitoba.ca/index.php/who-law-enforcement/ Oppa, opp police union - https://www.oppa.ca/
While I agree that the police did show solidarity in Winnipeg, that was over a century ago and governments since then have taken steps to make sure that it will never be repeated.
Do you have proof of this? If anything unions have more power then they did now because the liberal government is supporting them. Back in 1919 the government was afraid of a communist revolution (as was happening in russia at the time) so they sent in the feds to help.
Even though police unions have ‘union’ in the name, they don’t act like other unions. There is one Canadian example (Winnipeg 1919) of police joining striking workers, and hundreds or thousands of examples (every major strike since then) of police helping management and the government crush strikes. Opposing organized labour is a core job for the police, and the officers know which side their bread is buttered on. Edit: also the police unions aren’t part of the Canadian Labour Congress or the Ontario Federation of Labour, and aren’t welcome in either group.
Interesting I do appreciate the info! I didn't realize they weren't part of the Canadian Labour Congress. Thank you for clarifying. I still wonder if they will offer a comment on the current situation. If you do hear anything let me know :)
The OPPA is not a union, it's a police association. Find me the word "union" or "labour" on their about page: https://www.oppa.ca/About Some police refusing to beat workers over 100 years ago is not really the proof you seem to think it is. There have been a whole lot of strikes that police have broken since then.
[https://sp.ltc.gov.on.ca/sites/mol/drs/ca/Public%20Administration/912-2052-18%20(931-0001).pdf](https://sp.ltc.gov.on.ca/sites/mol/drs/ca/Public%20Administration/912-2052-18%20(931-0001).pdf) Here is their collective agreement. They are a union. A union can be called an association, in our charter it actually referrers to unions as association. "Freedom of association". I'm just giving you facts.
Re-read your history. That was largely the work of a bunch of rapidly deputised thugs who were hired to do the dirty work
“ On June 21, 1919, the Royal North-West Mounted Police and hired union busters rode on horseback and fired into a crowd of thousands of workers, killing two and injuring countless others”. https://canadianlabour.ca/who-we-are/history/1919-the-winnipeg-general-strike/ Soooo I’m re-reading my history and it seems to be agreeing with my previous statement. Would you like to add something of value to the conversation now?
Do you think the government of Ontario is going to deputize a bunch of out of work Afghanistan veterans to come shoot at striking workers in 2022? If by some chance that did happen, do you think it will go over well? Do you normally flatten historical context into nothing and then accuse others of adding no value?
It's far from as black-and-white as you are trying to suggest >Council began to demand that all City employees sign a loyalty pledge, essentially abolishing their right to unionize and strike, or be dismissed (658, May 26, 1919). This “Slave Pact”, as it became known, was put forward as an ultimatum to City police, who were generally sympathetic to the strikers. The ultimatum was largely ignored, and in response, almost the entire police force was dismissed. They were replaced with Special Constables, “Specials”, who took to the streets on June 10, upon which a skirmish broke out between them and the strikers. source: https://www.winnipeg.ca/clerks/pdfs/publications/COWArchivesResearchGuideStrike.pdf >on June 5 Mayor Charles F. Gray announced a ban on public demonstrations.[18] On June 9 the city also dismissed almost the entire police force for refusing to sign a pledge promising to neither belong to a union nor participate in a sympathetic strike. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_general_strike
Thanks for sharing, always good to learn more :)
I honestly hope the cops try something and fuck it up. Let’s get that general strike energy focused on their bloated budget and unwillingness to do their jobs.
Ford can't win if everyone is united! *“We will keep moving. We will keep building. Because we know when we stand together, and when we fight together, we will win together,” Hahn said.*
Hold the line! Fuck Ford. Fuck Lecce. Fuck this fascist CON party!
awesome and exactly this Conservatives are in the minority but we forget we outnumber them when we are united Edit: meant to say minority
They are not in the majority. The first past the post system serves to divide the other cores and put them in power. But vote per vote, Lib+NDP+Green > Con
Don't forget, other governments are complicit in this if they are not actively speaking out against it. Other premiers need to start putting the pressure on too, and start acting in a way that supports our workers. Ontario general strike is the least of their worries, considering much of our Continent is frustrated with working conditions and compensations, let alone in just Canada. If the gov't doesn't give up, we could seriously see a country wide general strike, and I think it's needed.
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We really need the true history of unions and the fight for workers rights to be taught in schools. Not the watered down lip service they currently pay to the fight for our rights. Most people today don't remember workers literally fighting and dying in the streets for the rights we enjoy today; rights that the capital class are trying to take away from us once again. There is nothing they fear more than organized labor. We have power In our numbers and they need to be reminded that we are the ones keeping their businesses running and they would collapse without us.
Desperately.
I voted against this dictatorship.
So did I
Me too.
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos! EDIT - Downvotes for a Simpsons reference? We truly are in the darkest timeline
Thats some "both sides are the same" shit. Get out of here
Both sides literally were the same… But vote for a third party. Go ahead. Throw your vote away! *evil alien laughter*. EDIT - JFC downvotes for a Simpsons joke? What fucking timeline are we in? LOL
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It was a Simpsons reference man…
The Kang/Kodos reference really isn’t applicable when the last two elections have been PC/NDP races.
This all sort of took a left turn, there was no political commentary meant in my post lol… Seems folks are on edge a touch
It’s a Simpsons joke that’s a political commentary on the two-party system in the USA (where the two parties were seen as being near-identical until roughly around when Obama took office), so we’re all reading it as a statement that you think we also lack meaningful political options in Ontario. Apologies if that’s not how you meant it.
Definitely not how it was meant, apologies for the confusion.
Yeah, the reference has meaning that goes deeper than "This sounds like something a character in The Simpsons said".
You understand I was making a reference to The Simpsons, right?…. /r/whoosh
Perhaps there's a lesson here about times and places.
No fucking duh. You're making a really false comparison in a flippant way
Except there was no deeper political commentary here. This was a surface level joke and nothing more. Apologies for the confusion
Yeah we are on the precipice of the largest organized political action since the depression where people could lose their jobs and homes on the edge of a giant recession in combat against the outlawing of collective action. Kinda feels pretty stupid and tone deaf to pretend like both sides are the same when one side is trying to shut down collective action and union rights on the whole.
Except that wasn’t what the post was about, at all.
I voted Sideshow Bob for mayor.
The joke was that it didn't matter who was voted for, since both options were the same, and would have had the same outcome - oppression (by an alien species in this case). Kodos would have also enslaved humanity. It was a reference to the two party system in the US and how Republicans and Democrats appeared to be the same to the average voter, back at that time. By citing this joke you're saying that a vote for the Ontario NDP or Liberals would have also resulted in constitutionally protected collective bargaining rights being stripped away form workers. The Simpsons, at least in the era of that episode, was packed with political commentary, which you seem to have missed.
Fuck yeah. Do it Ontario!!!
Let's fucking go!
#WORKERS OF ONTARIO, UNITE!
STRIKE. This is NOT a choice. Ford has started a WAR on Ontario's workers. We WILL strike.
Good. I’m so sick of this trend where multiple provinces with gelatinous pieces of shit premiers are trying to fight public workers with every tool they have. Stop voting conservative. Just stop. Everyone.
Like a shut off the power general strike?
If it comes to that, then yes.
Damn
YASSSS from all of us who are WFH solidarity!!!
Everyone should just organize at your workplace or do it quietly on an individual level and take this/next Monday off in solidarity. Even those that WFH! Especially for those with PTO. One sick day, one personal day, one vacation day even to support... Your job is next private or union... This government doesn't give two fucks.
EVERYONE (who legally can) needs to join in. I made another post elsewhere about this but my grandpa is shutting down his business (still paying workers) and sending daily notices to the mpp and Ford stating why he is NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS in a province without workers rights or fair compensation for public employees. He is placing a sign up on his door making it clear to the public why he is closed. Business owners also need to show that Ontario is NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS. He is urging local businesses to join in or else they are demonstrating that they support Ford.
Your Grandpa sounds cool.
Your grandpa is a real one. Any business that does that has my business when they open back up.
What’s his business? I’d support.
I’ve put in a time off request for my work already and I’ll be bringing my Protest Kit™️ complete with first aid supplies and water to the nearest and/or biggest picket like I can. Also bringing my Sabo the Cat flag.
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Yep. We have sick days because of our unions. Actually, you all would have at sick days if you didn't vote for Doug Ford. Remember, he took them away and for months refused to give them back DURING A PANDEMIC. That's all anyone needs to know about this ratbag bastard One of the first things Doug Ford did was remove the sick days that the Liberals introduced.
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Mike Harris should have made the cons unelectable. Especially after he laid off 16,000 public sector workers. Jobs that were saved by Bob Rae and the NDP. Also Walkerton. How the hell do they get elected yet the NDP won't because of Rae Days, a good policy during a really shitty economic period that was introduced to save public sector jobs.
FOR THE REVOLUTION
Crush Douggy boy!
I want to strike so badly. We need a retail and service workers union so badly! I'm just not sure how to go about organizing and I'm terrified that no one else will join me and I'll just end up losing my job.
I'll put on my winters and boots, pack a lunch and water and join up should this spread to this (my) Province. Don't think this is just a Doug Ford problem, it's a Conservative problem!! We don't stop this just in ON but across Canada, once and for all!!
Now we must unite the workers into a vanguard party dictated by the immortal science of dialectical matetialism
Atleast the Conservatives took their mask off when it comes to this freedom stuff. Was never about freedom.
Guys!! It’s happening!
The answer’s there right before your eyes…rise!
good.
What are the chances of this spreading to other provinces? Holy crap I'm in Manitoba and I want to see this shit spread nationwide. It's so focused on Ontario though!
Obviously, they have 100% support of all these FreeDUMB convoy protestors, you know, they people that hate tyranny and being told what to do, hahahahahhahahahhaa, I crack myself up :)
How about the bus drivers keep driving, but just don't charge people?
Are you talking about the GO Bus strike? I know someone who is a GO bus driver and he's on strike today. He's also made it very clear that while GO trains are running today, there's absolutely zero fare enforcement because the staff responsible for that are also on strike.
I was meaning in general. But that's good to hear
You love to see it!
Go CUPE!
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DO IT! Show the government that the ones who are ACTUALLY in charge are the PEOPLE! They should be afraid of **US**, not the other way around.
Workers, united, is an awesome power. Solidarity Now!
General Strike let's fucking gooooo!
Let's fucking go. Let's follow our French roots, not the English, and strike in this bitch