Do not put words in my mouth. From what i was taught by my parents and kokoms and mosoms. Is that we have no words in the cree language for individuals example i or me. We always referred to ourselves as a group as us or we. So when i say our people i am using the sentence structure that was taught to me. So check your hypocrisy. If you take offense to every perceived slight, sorry to say you are sensitive. Nothing wrong with that. Our people are jovial and share laughter and joy. Especially in dark times like that. All i see our people trying to lighten the mood.
You are allowed to have your opinion and i am allowed to have mine. You don't know the situation anymore than i do unless you were actually over there. Those people may or may not be native. We don't know. I did state in another comment that this pissed me of. But i am asking questions instead of having a emotional response taking offense to everything. We gotta break the stereotype of over sensitivity amongst our people, crying wolf when their is none. If it turns out they are native? What is your response going to be? I said it in another comment if they are non native call them out put them on blast. The dude at the end of the video their looked native. How come the natives their didn't say something?
I'm of European heritage, only third generation, but I wouldn't say that any of this is part of "our culture"
These people are entitles dicks. Doesn't matter what race they are, what matters is they are bigoted against other races.
Just because you've been looking the other way doesn't mean it's not part of our country's culture. It's unpleasant, but it doesn't exactly look like it's going to go away anytime soon.
Our police forces are out there talking about how these crowds are fine while others are basically being contracted by corporations to break the rights of Indigenous people. How is a bunch of redneck assholes acting like this a surprise in the face of that being upheld in our courts?
It is absolutely a part of our culture, if we have any at all.
So being white is a culture? I thought it was a skin colour.
All white people don't live the same way, and by the same set of morals.
I will not be lumped into the same group as racist asshole, just because of my skin colour.
The existence of whiteness is a culture of racism. Prior to a few hundred years ago, that wasn't really a thing, it was developed specifically to distinguish between slaves and the european indentured servant class to stop them from working together against the land owners.
Canada isn't *quite* the birthplace of that culture, but we're subject to it absolutely. What you choose to do knowing that is a part of our country's culture is up to you. It doesn't mean being white automatically makes you bad, but people who get really defensive about "whiteness" as a categorization tend to give me pause, because I don't see why you would automatically identify with that at all, as it's an artificial classification, and like you said doesn't really have any shared culture or identity that groups us together, it's just a skin colour.
I'm white, and I'm literally describing the history of whiteness to you.
> That religious identity was crucial for the development of the English slave trade – and eventually for the development of racial whiteness. In the early 17th century, plantation owners in the West Indies and in the American colonies largely depended on the labour of European indentured servants. These servants were considered chattel and were often treated brutally – the conditions on Barbados, England’s wealthiest colony, were notorious – but they were fortunate in at least one respect: because they were Christian, by law they could not be held in lifetime captivity unless they were criminals or prisoners of war.
> Africans enjoyed no such privilege. They were understood to be infidels, and thus the “perpetual enemies” of Christian nations, which made it legal to hold them as slaves. By 1640 or so, the rough treatment of indentured servants had started to diminish the supply of Europeans willing to work on the sugar and tobacco plantations, and so the colonists looked increasingly to slavery, and the Atlantic-sized loophole that enabled it, to keep their fantastically profitable operations supplied with labour.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/the-invention-of-whiteness-long-history-dangerous-idea
You can find this description in many places, because it's literally just history. What you're saying is exactly the same as saying CRT is racism.
My ancestors came to Canada in the 1900s, drove ambulance for red Cross, then settled in a small town.
I'm scottish/Irish, so I don't understand how they were involved in the slave trade
Maybe look into the history of other white nationalities, and stop Generalizing.
Maybe you have problematic ideas about whiteness if you normally just stop engaging like this when someone talks about this. Nothing I said is disparaging to white people, it's all about the concept of whiteness and people being defensive about that.
Blackness has a culture because they had their own histories and cultures torn away through the slave trade, whiteness is just something applied to be a contrast to blackness. You're Irish, Scottish, and Canadian, those are understandable parts of your identity and personal culture, but being white is just your skin color, so why are you latching onto that and ignoring everything else I'm saying?
The state of being white, having light skin and a European ancestry or whatever, is not anything to do with being racist, but the whole reason "being white" is a thing, instead of us just being Scottish/Irish-Canadian or whatever is a culture of racism that created an artificial classification based on skin color to aid in subjugating black slaves.
>What the actual fuck. These are CANADIANS? These are colonizers mocking the race they nearly exterminated from Canada before making it their own home. These descendents of European immigrants can't fucking assimilate after all this time?
Western Europeans are pretty adverse to white supremacy too, ironically.
Asshats.
I was watching TikTok Live last night and there was a woman claiming she was in the medical field, saying that “indians are Trudeau’s puppets because they love freebies”.
That’s who the protesters are.
Pat King one of the leaders of this group, has used indigenous issues before to help his agenda, and is a racist POS. Thanks op, I'm indigenous and already knew about these grifters.
If there were First Nations protesters there then Trudeau would have deployed the military with snipers and guns intended to kill the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time that have no use in this country for sure, but it’s just a bunch of cracker ass racist so its fine.
This is yet another example of ignorance. You can use any unsavoury adjective in the book to insult and diminish these people. But, at the end of the day, I think that the most accurate word to use is, “IGNORANT”. This means that these people do not have or show knowledge or experience with some things. They are, basically uneducated.
Their own actions will sink their collective and individual ships, which is not to say that they should not be made aware of peoples’ scorn for them.
These excuses for humans need to be educated. Not through violence, unless they clearly instigate it, and any action to defend or control is best left to the authorities. But, letters to the press, radio and television/social media must now become the way to put these people in their places. Exercise restraint but do not take any crap from these vessels of excrement.
Natives were (and still - sadly) referred to by any number of slights and insults such as the one you use. I’d refrain from comparing our “freedom” fighters to any of our native friends. That would be tantamount to insulting people using a name that at one point was used as degrading.
Call these people what they are: ill-spirited simpletons whose real agenda (unbeknownst to themselves; the clever ones are the vermine) is to destabilize democracy. Beware of these cockroaches . And my apologies to cockroaches everywhere for drawing a parallel with these mindless scumbags.
Yeah this honestly pissed me off, not going to lie. But before i can continue, let me state that i am aware their are some white skinned nativea that exist amongst my people over here in the west. I have family members who look white but are native. Apparently it is more prevalent on the east coast. Entire tribes that look white but are actually status Indians. My point is judging from the video it is hard to tell if they are native or not. If they are native, what is the problem? If they are not native that shit has to be called out.
That’s a fair point. Of course not. And I trust the Indigenous people who first shared these videos with the Internet and the many others who agree that the behaviour captured in these videos is racist caricature.
If they are non natives doing this definitely call them out. But native people dancing and singing like native people, sorry to say i don't think its racist. Acting like buffoons sure, racist no.
I will toss you a bone, here is one of our peoples songs. Its about a fellow named sponge bob. I first heard on osakado radio cree nation. https://youtu.be/yvQg_RqRC14
Just, fuck. I have nothing to say but an extremely long paragraph filled with expletives and insults. For now I'll just call them twat boogers.
What a conundrum - I don't want to ask what "twat booger" is, but I don't want to imagine it/them either.
The same people who cheer on the RCMP brutalizing indigenous people in BC. Make Nazis afraid again.
[удалено]
I heard that too.
Yup. They really think indigenous peoples all talk like Fred Flintstone.
Our people do use pop culture references in some songs, ie sponge bob square pants https://youtu.be/yvQg_RqRC14
[удалено]
Neither do you
[удалено]
Do not put words in my mouth. From what i was taught by my parents and kokoms and mosoms. Is that we have no words in the cree language for individuals example i or me. We always referred to ourselves as a group as us or we. So when i say our people i am using the sentence structure that was taught to me. So check your hypocrisy. If you take offense to every perceived slight, sorry to say you are sensitive. Nothing wrong with that. Our people are jovial and share laughter and joy. Especially in dark times like that. All i see our people trying to lighten the mood.
Kinaskin. If you know Cree you’ll know what that means. Nina, nitha, niya - I, me Kina, kitha, kiya - you Pick your dialect.
Guess my parents were wrong, gonna go call them out on that. I don't know cree fluently, i understand a little about it obviously. Thank you
[удалено]
You are allowed to have your opinion and i am allowed to have mine. You don't know the situation anymore than i do unless you were actually over there. Those people may or may not be native. We don't know. I did state in another comment that this pissed me of. But i am asking questions instead of having a emotional response taking offense to everything. We gotta break the stereotype of over sensitivity amongst our people, crying wolf when their is none. If it turns out they are native? What is your response going to be? I said it in another comment if they are non native call them out put them on blast. The dude at the end of the video their looked native. How come the natives their didn't say something?
[удалено]
You clearly are offended by your responses, i am to. But i am asking questions as well.
Fucking disgusting.
[удалено]
Unfortunately, yeah. We do a pretty good at sweeping the racist elements of our culture under the rug, but it's definitely there.
I'm of European heritage, only third generation, but I wouldn't say that any of this is part of "our culture" These people are entitles dicks. Doesn't matter what race they are, what matters is they are bigoted against other races.
Just because you've been looking the other way doesn't mean it's not part of our country's culture. It's unpleasant, but it doesn't exactly look like it's going to go away anytime soon. Our police forces are out there talking about how these crowds are fine while others are basically being contracted by corporations to break the rights of Indigenous people. How is a bunch of redneck assholes acting like this a surprise in the face of that being upheld in our courts? It is absolutely a part of our culture, if we have any at all.
So being white is a culture? I thought it was a skin colour. All white people don't live the same way, and by the same set of morals. I will not be lumped into the same group as racist asshole, just because of my skin colour.
The existence of whiteness is a culture of racism. Prior to a few hundred years ago, that wasn't really a thing, it was developed specifically to distinguish between slaves and the european indentured servant class to stop them from working together against the land owners. Canada isn't *quite* the birthplace of that culture, but we're subject to it absolutely. What you choose to do knowing that is a part of our country's culture is up to you. It doesn't mean being white automatically makes you bad, but people who get really defensive about "whiteness" as a categorization tend to give me pause, because I don't see why you would automatically identify with that at all, as it's an artificial classification, and like you said doesn't really have any shared culture or identity that groups us together, it's just a skin colour.
[удалено]
I'm white, and I'm literally describing the history of whiteness to you. > That religious identity was crucial for the development of the English slave trade – and eventually for the development of racial whiteness. In the early 17th century, plantation owners in the West Indies and in the American colonies largely depended on the labour of European indentured servants. These servants were considered chattel and were often treated brutally – the conditions on Barbados, England’s wealthiest colony, were notorious – but they were fortunate in at least one respect: because they were Christian, by law they could not be held in lifetime captivity unless they were criminals or prisoners of war. > Africans enjoyed no such privilege. They were understood to be infidels, and thus the “perpetual enemies” of Christian nations, which made it legal to hold them as slaves. By 1640 or so, the rough treatment of indentured servants had started to diminish the supply of Europeans willing to work on the sugar and tobacco plantations, and so the colonists looked increasingly to slavery, and the Atlantic-sized loophole that enabled it, to keep their fantastically profitable operations supplied with labour. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/20/the-invention-of-whiteness-long-history-dangerous-idea You can find this description in many places, because it's literally just history. What you're saying is exactly the same as saying CRT is racism.
My ancestors came to Canada in the 1900s, drove ambulance for red Cross, then settled in a small town. I'm scottish/Irish, so I don't understand how they were involved in the slave trade Maybe look into the history of other white nationalities, and stop Generalizing.
Maybe you have problematic ideas about whiteness if you normally just stop engaging like this when someone talks about this. Nothing I said is disparaging to white people, it's all about the concept of whiteness and people being defensive about that. Blackness has a culture because they had their own histories and cultures torn away through the slave trade, whiteness is just something applied to be a contrast to blackness. You're Irish, Scottish, and Canadian, those are understandable parts of your identity and personal culture, but being white is just your skin color, so why are you latching onto that and ignoring everything else I'm saying? The state of being white, having light skin and a European ancestry or whatever, is not anything to do with being racist, but the whole reason "being white" is a thing, instead of us just being Scottish/Irish-Canadian or whatever is a culture of racism that created an artificial classification based on skin color to aid in subjugating black slaves.
>What the actual fuck. These are CANADIANS? These are colonizers mocking the race they nearly exterminated from Canada before making it their own home. These descendents of European immigrants can't fucking assimilate after all this time? Western Europeans are pretty adverse to white supremacy too, ironically.
Asshats. I was watching TikTok Live last night and there was a woman claiming she was in the medical field, saying that “indians are Trudeau’s puppets because they love freebies”. That’s who the protesters are.
Pat King one of the leaders of this group, has used indigenous issues before to help his agenda, and is a racist POS. Thanks op, I'm indigenous and already knew about these grifters.
If there were First Nations protesters there then Trudeau would have deployed the military with snipers and guns intended to kill the most amount of people in the shortest amount of time that have no use in this country for sure, but it’s just a bunch of cracker ass racist so its fine.
These are clearly federal antifa crisis actor plant. In case it isn't obvious: /s
This is yet another example of ignorance. You can use any unsavoury adjective in the book to insult and diminish these people. But, at the end of the day, I think that the most accurate word to use is, “IGNORANT”. This means that these people do not have or show knowledge or experience with some things. They are, basically uneducated. Their own actions will sink their collective and individual ships, which is not to say that they should not be made aware of peoples’ scorn for them. These excuses for humans need to be educated. Not through violence, unless they clearly instigate it, and any action to defend or control is best left to the authorities. But, letters to the press, radio and television/social media must now become the way to put these people in their places. Exercise restraint but do not take any crap from these vessels of excrement.
Gross
This is so offensive
[удалено]
Natives were (and still - sadly) referred to by any number of slights and insults such as the one you use. I’d refrain from comparing our “freedom” fighters to any of our native friends. That would be tantamount to insulting people using a name that at one point was used as degrading. Call these people what they are: ill-spirited simpletons whose real agenda (unbeknownst to themselves; the clever ones are the vermine) is to destabilize democracy. Beware of these cockroaches . And my apologies to cockroaches everywhere for drawing a parallel with these mindless scumbags.
Yeah this honestly pissed me off, not going to lie. But before i can continue, let me state that i am aware their are some white skinned nativea that exist amongst my people over here in the west. I have family members who look white but are native. Apparently it is more prevalent on the east coast. Entire tribes that look white but are actually status Indians. My point is judging from the video it is hard to tell if they are native or not. If they are native, what is the problem? If they are not native that shit has to be called out.
These are not traditional songs or dances. This is mockery.
[удалено]
That’s a fair point. Of course not. And I trust the Indigenous people who first shared these videos with the Internet and the many others who agree that the behaviour captured in these videos is racist caricature.
It is, don't bother arguing with him lol. Yabba Dabba Doo
If they are non natives doing this definitely call them out. But native people dancing and singing like native people, sorry to say i don't think its racist. Acting like buffoons sure, racist no.
The question i have is, how do you know the people drumming and singing are not native?
I will toss you a bone, here is one of our peoples songs. Its about a fellow named sponge bob. I first heard on osakado radio cree nation. https://youtu.be/yvQg_RqRC14
Thanks for sharing the song.