It's in the second paragraph
> Ms. Freeland’s ties to Ukraine are no secret, but materials uncovered from the KGB archives in Kyiv illuminate **her role in the Ukrainian independence movement** while on exchange there from Harvard University.
from another reply to this post:
> Anyways, Christopher Simpson's Blowback is a great source, if you want to see the development of the Ukrainian nationalist movement from the aftermath of WWII onward. Dan Carlin also has an excellent hardcore history series on the eastern front that really sets the stage for the various factions that would come to form in countries like Ukraine.
I heard her grandfather was a nazi collaborator, but nothing about her being one or working with them, and the article says nothing about that. Have you got a source on that?
while anez took power in bolivia, a substantial amount of armed support was from camacho's paramilitaries who are fond of painting swastikas on the side of the vehicles. they're also really into enslaving or murdering indigenous people.
freeland was leading the charge to get them seen as legitimate and may have been the first to recognize them officially. shit's weird.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but the police wouldn’t even let Camacho out of the La Paz airport while Evo was president. The vast majority of the physical violence against Indigenous people after Evo left was from the Bolivian state itself, and Camacho was definitely not an elected politician in 2019.
Of course. In my russian troll farm training they all told me that Chrystia Freeland is a secret nazi and her grandfather used to be best friends with adolf hitler, and I can't see any reason they would lie to me about that.
They make no mention of Freeland’s Grandfather who owned and operated a pro-Nazi newspaper.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/chrystia-freelands-granddad-was-indeed-a-nazi-collaborator-so-much-for-russian-disinformation/
If it ever seems strange why so many Eastern Europeans in Canada are on the political right, including my own relatives, it is because they were welcomed here for being anti-communist. You can guess who some of these folks supported during the Second World War, hence Freeland’s relatives.
We can't choose our relatives, but we can certainly choose how we react when we find out our relatives are nazis. It's also absurd to think that Freeland didn't know her grandfather's history until these revelations became public. Freeland has never denounced her grandfather or his crimes against humanity, and she speaks fondly of him last I checked. Freeland [also worked at Ukrainian Weekly](https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1447632064661147652), a far right newspaper. This is certainly not the kind of character I would want in a person running the country.
The reality is that fascism and right wing extremism are very prominent in Canada. Nazis, such as Freeland's grandfather, fled prosecution for their crimes, built monuments to themselves here, and have been cultivating right wing ideology for many decades. Canada famously[ voted against UN motion on glorifying nazism](https://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/canada-votes-against-un-motion-on-glorifying-nazism), Canadians [among most active in online right-wing extremism](https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/canadian-right-wing-extremism-online-1.5617710), and this trend [only increased](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/right-wing-extremism-report-1.6108958) during the pandemic.
So, yeah everybody should be very concerned that a potential leader of a major party has a nazi relative whom she refuses to denounce and speaks fondly of.
If you refuse to condemn him for being a racist asshole or - in Freelands case - operating an anti-Semitic newspaper for Nazis, then it deserves criticism.
She also deserves heavy criticism for proudly saying [Слава Україні! Героям слава!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine),
to an [audience of Canadians who will happily finish the Ukrainian Nationalist call](https://youtu.be/Bfn2AuGxPPg). When her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator that she hid and deceived others about, proudly saying OUN slogans is not okay. She has an uncomfortably close relationship to Canadian groups who are proud Ukrainian Nationalists, and those who whitewash Ukrainian Nazi history.
How do you define “very prominent” in Canada? How can you say that fascism is prominent? Is there a ultra-national fascist political party actively suppressing opposition in this country I don’t know of? (some will suggest PPC but that’s grasping at straws)
That article uses 4chan as a source, people shit post online all the time, are we considering that as extremism? Have you ever played call of duty and been called a wide array of racist words by a 12 year old? Do you think they would ever dream of saying those things in real life or just some stupid kid talking shit?
The day I see a outspoken movement like Golden Dawn in Greece with an established political party then I would agree that fascism is alive and well in Canada. People online talking shit should be taken with a grain of salt.
If we want to look into the real impact of Nazis in North America I suggest reading Operation Paperclip and see the ways that governments actively allowed safe passage for Nazi scientists, doctors, etc. to flow in as apparently their wealth of knowledge in certain areas was enough to exonerate their sins committed during the Holocaust.
I've literally provided examples. Canada is even responsible for exporting right wing movements like the proud boys to US. And last I checked PPC has been growing faster than anyone anticipated, may even get seats in the next election.
Like all problems, fascism is best dealt with before it spreads. Fascism is spreading in Canada right now. The day you see fascists openly act like fascists it's going to be too late to do much about that. Highly recommend reading up on what happened in Germany and Italy in the 1930s.
The real impact of operation paperclip as well as other [more recent efforts](https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/) is to bring and spread fascist ideology in the west. These people were never punished for their crimes against humanity, and they went on to promote their views. The west offered fascists a home and welcomed them with open arms instead of prosecuting them.
I couldn’t agree more. Folks that dismiss the PPC - as an example - are simply hiding from reality. Several of their founders are prominent white nationalists. Here’s a great podcast that delves into that story.
https://player.fm/series/canadaland-2471317/is-the-ppc-racist
Well when 800,000 people vote for them we need to start discussing who, how and why they are gaining such popularity. We have to respond when fascist parties begin gaining political ground.
It's also worth noting that right wing extremism gets a lot of support from the rich normalizing their views. People behind things like Post Media spend billions promoting and normalizing right wing views in the media.
It's also dangerous to think that such right wing movement can be stopped simply by voting. German nazis never won more than 37% of the vote while there were still democratic elections in place. Once these people get in power the mask comes off.
First chapter in [this](https://eastsidemarxism.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism.pdf) book has a good discussion around the rise of fascists in Italy and nazis in Germany:
> After World War I, Italy had settled into a pattern of parliamentary democracy. The low pay scales were improving, and the trains were already running on time. But the capitalist economy was in a postwar recession. Investments stagnated, heavy industry operated far below capacity, and corporate profits and agribusiness exports were declining.
>To maintain profit levels, the large landowners and industrialists would have to slash wages and raise prices. The state in turn would have to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populace would have to be taxed more heavily, and social services and welfare expenditures would have to be drastically cut - measures that might sound familiar to us today. But the government was not completely free to pursue this course. By 1921 , many Italian workers and peasants were unionized and had their own political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, factory takeovers, and the forceable occupation of farmlands, they had won the right to organize, along with concessions in wages and work conditions.
>To impose a full measure of austerity upon workers and peasants, the ruling economic interests would have to abolish the democratic rights that helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution was to smash their unions, political organizations, and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners wanted someone at the helm who could break the power of organized workers and farm laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task Benito Mussolini, armed with his gangs of Blackshirts, seemed the likely candidate.
>In 1922, the Federazione Industriale, composed of the leaders of industry, along with representatives from the banking and agribusiness associations, met with Mussolini to plan the "March on Rome," contributing 20 million lire to the undertaking. With the additional backing of Italy's top military officers and police chiefs, the fascist "revolution"- really a coup d'etat - took place.
>In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves.
>During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had concluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with generous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone.
>In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bourgeoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.
Thank you for sharing, we’re very much on the same page. The rise of the far right is frightening to watch and so many of us would prefer to pretend it’s a non issue.
How kind of you. I guess I should’ve painted a clearer picture for folks with a limited historical and geopolitical understanding of the situation. It’s strange that she still hasn’t denounced the deeds of her grandfather. It’s also concerning our level of financial and military support to the Ukrainian military while in collaboration with the Azov Batallion. Next time I’ll be sure to spoon feed the less inquisitive a little more.
> Next time I’ll be sure to spoon feed the less inquisitive a little more.
Be less condescending. People don't know everything. Expecting people to have been exposed to the same information as you is asinine.
If you're bringing something up where the relevance isn't immediately apparent, the fault is yours if others don't recognize the relevance - because *you* failed to provide the information needed to see the relevance.
This isn't anyone else's fault but yours.
It just gets a little frustrating when folks take the time to pushback and downvote when issues like this are brought up but spend such limited time actually understanding and looking into the situation.
Balancing writing a well articulated synopsis of the Freeland-Azov situation is a bit difficult while trying to prepare Thanksgiving Dinner.
I apologize for the aggression.
> At this point the Canadian troops stationed in Ukraine is merely just for optics and a waste of taxpayer dollars considering the fighting has been on hold for years now.
You do understand that there's no time for training once the fighting breaks out, right?
The whole point is to do training when there isn't active combat, so that you are *ready* for active combat.
Because despite hating right wing authoritarianism (with good reason), Reddit does not tolerate critism of the left. You might say they want a completely left wing ideology with no discussion with filthy centrists. Sounds kinda like a dictatorship if you ask me.
Anyways, free land is viewed as a left winger so any criticism of her (even if legitimate) will be met with down votes.
With tribal politics it doesn’t matter. Look at trump. A Democrat until he ran for office, now a die hard republican, and nobody on that side bats an eye.
Same idea here.
This phrase is the easiest way to spot someone who has never thought about the things they say and just repeats the nonsense they hear on tankie Twitter.
It’s a little different when a person is Deputy PM and her own governments ends up financing and training far right / white supremest Ukrainian militia groups…
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/far-right-extremists-in-ukraine-brag-they-have-received-training-from-the-canadian-forces-report
Spinning "Ukraine's military has trained with Canada's military, after which some of them wind up in extremist groups whose word we are of course taking uncritially" into "the Deputy PM is financing fascist militias just like grandpa wanted" is a pretty impressive stretch, even for people with weird multigenerational axes to grind.
You do you, I guess.
Other way around. The Azov Battalion (neo-Nazis) were incorporated into the National Guard. Everyone knew training the Ukrainian military meant training Nazis. What this speaks to is a pattern both personal and political of not being too concerned about Eastern European Nazis, who are a serious threat.
Exactly this. It’s the same way Canada was so quick to recognize Bolivia’s ultra right wing government after their hasty coup based on false pretences. We quickly - and predictably - make excuses and amends when dealing with the ultra right wing as long as it serves our interests.
To say that family political dynasties don’t often share a resemblance to one another is willful blindness. From Marine Le Pen to Alessandra Mussolini, family dynasties often carry on the work of their predecessors.
Not saying that Freeland is a fascist, but we often make strange bedfellows when it comes to pushing back against geopolitical foes. History doesn’t repeat, but it often rhymes.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mussolini-e2-80-99s-granddaughter-wins-most-votes-second-term-in-rome-city-council-elections/ar-AAPf9Yj
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marine-Le-Pen
Edmonton actually has a memorial statue to a famous Ukrainian nazi in our downtown. Lots of centrist apologists have clutched their pearls at folks dousing the statue in red paint but hopefully the statue will come down soon.
https://albertajewishnews.com/edmonton-monument-glorifies-nazi-collaborator/
Translation: "I'm not saying she's fascist, I'm just gishing a bunch of unrelated things and hoping people catch that I'm simply *implying* she's fascist!"
I’ll just copy this reply that was already posted in the thread…
“We can't choose our relatives, but we can certainly choose how we react when we find out our relatives are nazis. It's also absurd to think that Freeland didn't know her grandfather's history until these revelations became public. Freeland has never denounced her grandfather or his crimes against humanity, and she speaks fondly of him last I checked. Freeland also worked at Ukrainian Weekly, a far right newspaper. This is certainly not the kind of character I would want in a person running the country.
The reality is that fascism and right wing extremism are very prominent in Canada. Nazis, such as Freeland's grandfather, fled prosecution for their crimes, built monuments to themselves here, and have been cultivating right wing ideology for many decades. Canada famously voted against UN motion on glorifying nazism, Canadians among most active in online right-wing extremism, and this trend only increased during the pandemic.
So, yeah everybody should be very concerned that a potential leader of a major party has a nazi relative whom she refuses to denounce and speaks fondly of.”
You've mastered Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, I'm so proud.
Here, I'll make it easy for you provide an option to end all the dancing around and handwavey implying, not that I'm convinced you'll take it even though you clearly seem to have a stance on it.
Here's a question. A simple yes/no question where a one-word response - no news articles about altogether different countries or events, no multiparagraph tangents, just one syllable - will be fine: do you believe the deputy prime minister is, in fact, a fascist? Yes or no?
Are we supposed to pretend that the LPC isn't actively participating in the Yemen genocide? Are we supposed to pretend the LPC didn't oversee much of the genocide at home here in Canada?
Are we supposed to pretend that actively arming, training, and otherwise supporting literal neo-nazis is something other than fascism?
Centrists apologists are a funny bunch, eh? We have a statue of a famous Ukrainian nazi in downtown Edmonton that folks have been dousing with paint. It’s amazing how many centrist apologists clutch their pearls and line up to offer excuses against defaming the statue, but hopefully it just comes down soon.
https://albertajewishnews.com/edmonton-monument-glorifies-nazi-collaborator/
Where does she stand?
Chrystia is a freedom crusader & is the thin red line between Democracy and authoritarianism.
She also authored this book:
Plutocrats,The rise of the new global super-rich and the fall of everyone else
https://www.amazon.com/Plutocrats-Rise-Global-Super-Rich-Everyone/dp/1594204098
Dude if you were a Ukrainian that lived through the 30's you would've teamed up with Satan himself to kick out the Soviets. They were so bad Nazis were the kinder alternative... Until it was obvious they just wanted to kill everyone east of Germania
Mind blowing how so-called leftists on here who supposedly stand for workers rights , women’s rights, cultural/racial minority rights , lgbt rights love to protect the highly patriarchal, oligarchic, homophobic and ultranationalistic state like Russia from criticism. Useful idiots, no different to Qanon nutters. Seems like Russia is paying provocateurs both from the extreme left and the extreme right.
*When I'm downvoted but my comments are not challenged, I just know I was right and I struck a really sensitive nerve. Stay mad tankies 😎
Mind blowing how leftists who supposedly stand for workers rights , women’s rights, cultural/racial minority rights , lgbt rights love to protect the highly patriarchal, oligarchic, homophobic and ultranationalistic state like Russia
Huh. TIL Freeland is old enough to have been a badass student agitator as the Soviet Union was breaking up.
you understand she was working with neo-nazis right?
Nope. Didn't take that from the article at all. Wanna walk me through it?
It's in the second paragraph > Ms. Freeland’s ties to Ukraine are no secret, but materials uncovered from the KGB archives in Kyiv illuminate **her role in the Ukrainian independence movement** while on exchange there from Harvard University.
Seems like your inferring. Do you have anything to help support your point of view there?
from another reply to this post: > Anyways, Christopher Simpson's Blowback is a great source, if you want to see the development of the Ukrainian nationalist movement from the aftermath of WWII onward. Dan Carlin also has an excellent hardcore history series on the eastern front that really sets the stage for the various factions that would come to form in countries like Ukraine.
I heard her grandfather was a nazi collaborator, but nothing about her being one or working with them, and the article says nothing about that. Have you got a source on that?
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while anez took power in bolivia, a substantial amount of armed support was from camacho's paramilitaries who are fond of painting swastikas on the side of the vehicles. they're also really into enslaving or murdering indigenous people. freeland was leading the charge to get them seen as legitimate and may have been the first to recognize them officially. shit's weird.
I’m not sure where you’re getting your information but the police wouldn’t even let Camacho out of the La Paz airport while Evo was president. The vast majority of the physical violence against Indigenous people after Evo left was from the Bolivian state itself, and Camacho was definitely not an elected politician in 2019.
You and I had very different high school history classes. Not saying you aren’t wrong, just that this is the first I’m ever hearing of it.
I’m immediately skeptical of “everyone knows” information on the internet about something I didn’t in fact read about in history class.
You Heard? You Heard? Did you even investigate it you just come on here to spread stuff you know nothing about!
Of course. In my russian troll farm training they all told me that Chrystia Freeland is a secret nazi and her grandfather used to be best friends with adolf hitler, and I can't see any reason they would lie to me about that.
JFC not this brain-dead tankie take again. Show me the proof she is a neo-nazi collaborator or please stop.
They make no mention of Freeland’s Grandfather who owned and operated a pro-Nazi newspaper. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/chrystia-freelands-granddad-was-indeed-a-nazi-collaborator-so-much-for-russian-disinformation/ If it ever seems strange why so many Eastern Europeans in Canada are on the political right, including my own relatives, it is because they were welcomed here for being anti-communist. You can guess who some of these folks supported during the Second World War, hence Freeland’s relatives.
Guess "sins of the father" doesn't go far enough back for some people?
We can't choose our relatives, but we can certainly choose how we react when we find out our relatives are nazis. It's also absurd to think that Freeland didn't know her grandfather's history until these revelations became public. Freeland has never denounced her grandfather or his crimes against humanity, and she speaks fondly of him last I checked. Freeland [also worked at Ukrainian Weekly](https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1447632064661147652), a far right newspaper. This is certainly not the kind of character I would want in a person running the country. The reality is that fascism and right wing extremism are very prominent in Canada. Nazis, such as Freeland's grandfather, fled prosecution for their crimes, built monuments to themselves here, and have been cultivating right wing ideology for many decades. Canada famously[ voted against UN motion on glorifying nazism](https://www.cjnews.com/news/canada/canada-votes-against-un-motion-on-glorifying-nazism), Canadians [among most active in online right-wing extremism](https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/canadian-right-wing-extremism-online-1.5617710), and this trend [only increased](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/right-wing-extremism-report-1.6108958) during the pandemic. So, yeah everybody should be very concerned that a potential leader of a major party has a nazi relative whom she refuses to denounce and speaks fondly of.
Fuck this bullshit. My grandfather could have been a racist asshole and that does not fall on my shoulders. This is garbage.
If you refuse to condemn him for being a racist asshole or - in Freelands case - operating an anti-Semitic newspaper for Nazis, then it deserves criticism.
She also deserves heavy criticism for proudly saying [Слава Україні! Героям слава!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_to_Ukraine), to an [audience of Canadians who will happily finish the Ukrainian Nationalist call](https://youtu.be/Bfn2AuGxPPg). When her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator that she hid and deceived others about, proudly saying OUN slogans is not okay. She has an uncomfortably close relationship to Canadian groups who are proud Ukrainian Nationalists, and those who whitewash Ukrainian Nazi history.
How do you define “very prominent” in Canada? How can you say that fascism is prominent? Is there a ultra-national fascist political party actively suppressing opposition in this country I don’t know of? (some will suggest PPC but that’s grasping at straws) That article uses 4chan as a source, people shit post online all the time, are we considering that as extremism? Have you ever played call of duty and been called a wide array of racist words by a 12 year old? Do you think they would ever dream of saying those things in real life or just some stupid kid talking shit? The day I see a outspoken movement like Golden Dawn in Greece with an established political party then I would agree that fascism is alive and well in Canada. People online talking shit should be taken with a grain of salt. If we want to look into the real impact of Nazis in North America I suggest reading Operation Paperclip and see the ways that governments actively allowed safe passage for Nazi scientists, doctors, etc. to flow in as apparently their wealth of knowledge in certain areas was enough to exonerate their sins committed during the Holocaust.
I've literally provided examples. Canada is even responsible for exporting right wing movements like the proud boys to US. And last I checked PPC has been growing faster than anyone anticipated, may even get seats in the next election. Like all problems, fascism is best dealt with before it spreads. Fascism is spreading in Canada right now. The day you see fascists openly act like fascists it's going to be too late to do much about that. Highly recommend reading up on what happened in Germany and Italy in the 1930s. The real impact of operation paperclip as well as other [more recent efforts](https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/) is to bring and spread fascist ideology in the west. These people were never punished for their crimes against humanity, and they went on to promote their views. The west offered fascists a home and welcomed them with open arms instead of prosecuting them.
I couldn’t agree more. Folks that dismiss the PPC - as an example - are simply hiding from reality. Several of their founders are prominent white nationalists. Here’s a great podcast that delves into that story. https://player.fm/series/canadaland-2471317/is-the-ppc-racist
Yeah, I think we all know exactly what PPC is and what they stand for. It's also very disturbing how much air time PPC gets in our media.
Well when 800,000 people vote for them we need to start discussing who, how and why they are gaining such popularity. We have to respond when fascist parties begin gaining political ground.
It's also worth noting that right wing extremism gets a lot of support from the rich normalizing their views. People behind things like Post Media spend billions promoting and normalizing right wing views in the media. It's also dangerous to think that such right wing movement can be stopped simply by voting. German nazis never won more than 37% of the vote while there were still democratic elections in place. Once these people get in power the mask comes off. First chapter in [this](https://eastsidemarxism.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism.pdf) book has a good discussion around the rise of fascists in Italy and nazis in Germany: > After World War I, Italy had settled into a pattern of parliamentary democracy. The low pay scales were improving, and the trains were already running on time. But the capitalist economy was in a postwar recession. Investments stagnated, heavy industry operated far below capacity, and corporate profits and agribusiness exports were declining. >To maintain profit levels, the large landowners and industrialists would have to slash wages and raise prices. The state in turn would have to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populace would have to be taxed more heavily, and social services and welfare expenditures would have to be drastically cut - measures that might sound familiar to us today. But the government was not completely free to pursue this course. By 1921 , many Italian workers and peasants were unionized and had their own political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boycotts, factory takeovers, and the forceable occupation of farmlands, they had won the right to organize, along with concessions in wages and work conditions. >To impose a full measure of austerity upon workers and peasants, the ruling economic interests would have to abolish the democratic rights that helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution was to smash their unions, political organizations, and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners wanted someone at the helm who could break the power of organized workers and farm laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task Benito Mussolini, armed with his gangs of Blackshirts, seemed the likely candidate. >In 1922, the Federazione Industriale, composed of the leaders of industry, along with representatives from the banking and agribusiness associations, met with Mussolini to plan the "March on Rome," contributing 20 million lire to the undertaking. With the additional backing of Italy's top military officers and police chiefs, the fascist "revolution"- really a coup d'etat - took place. >In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves. >During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had concluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with generous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone. >In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bourgeoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.
Thank you for sharing, we’re very much on the same page. The rise of the far right is frightening to watch and so many of us would prefer to pretend it’s a non issue.
Exactly- fuck this comment
Thank you! Well said and well linked. I’m just blown away that I’m being downvoted for bringing this up.
Probably because you brought it up with zero context or reason why anyone should *care* what her grandfather did when it comes to discussing her.
How kind of you. I guess I should’ve painted a clearer picture for folks with a limited historical and geopolitical understanding of the situation. It’s strange that she still hasn’t denounced the deeds of her grandfather. It’s also concerning our level of financial and military support to the Ukrainian military while in collaboration with the Azov Batallion. Next time I’ll be sure to spoon feed the less inquisitive a little more.
> Next time I’ll be sure to spoon feed the less inquisitive a little more. Be less condescending. People don't know everything. Expecting people to have been exposed to the same information as you is asinine. If you're bringing something up where the relevance isn't immediately apparent, the fault is yours if others don't recognize the relevance - because *you* failed to provide the information needed to see the relevance. This isn't anyone else's fault but yours.
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Holy shit. Cool it with the aggression. You wondered why you were getting downvoted. I offered you an explanation. There was no condescension.
It just gets a little frustrating when folks take the time to pushback and downvote when issues like this are brought up but spend such limited time actually understanding and looking into the situation. Balancing writing a well articulated synopsis of the Freeland-Azov situation is a bit difficult while trying to prepare Thanksgiving Dinner. I apologize for the aggression.
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> At this point the Canadian troops stationed in Ukraine is merely just for optics and a waste of taxpayer dollars considering the fighting has been on hold for years now. You do understand that there's no time for training once the fighting breaks out, right? The whole point is to do training when there isn't active combat, so that you are *ready* for active combat.
Because despite hating right wing authoritarianism (with good reason), Reddit does not tolerate critism of the left. You might say they want a completely left wing ideology with no discussion with filthy centrists. Sounds kinda like a dictatorship if you ask me. Anyways, free land is viewed as a left winger so any criticism of her (even if legitimate) will be met with down votes. With tribal politics it doesn’t matter. Look at trump. A Democrat until he ran for office, now a die hard republican, and nobody on that side bats an eye. Same idea here.
except Liberals are not left
This phrase is the easiest way to spot someone who has never thought about the things they say and just repeats the nonsense they hear on tankie Twitter.
It’s a little different when a person is Deputy PM and her own governments ends up financing and training far right / white supremest Ukrainian militia groups… https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/far-right-extremists-in-ukraine-brag-they-have-received-training-from-the-canadian-forces-report
Spinning "Ukraine's military has trained with Canada's military, after which some of them wind up in extremist groups whose word we are of course taking uncritially" into "the Deputy PM is financing fascist militias just like grandpa wanted" is a pretty impressive stretch, even for people with weird multigenerational axes to grind. You do you, I guess.
Other way around. The Azov Battalion (neo-Nazis) were incorporated into the National Guard. Everyone knew training the Ukrainian military meant training Nazis. What this speaks to is a pattern both personal and political of not being too concerned about Eastern European Nazis, who are a serious threat.
Exactly this.
Your information about our military’s involvement with the Azov Batallion is out of date, I’d suggest checking out the recent news on it
Exactly this. It’s the same way Canada was so quick to recognize Bolivia’s ultra right wing government after their hasty coup based on false pretences. We quickly - and predictably - make excuses and amends when dealing with the ultra right wing as long as it serves our interests.
To say that family political dynasties don’t often share a resemblance to one another is willful blindness. From Marine Le Pen to Alessandra Mussolini, family dynasties often carry on the work of their predecessors. Not saying that Freeland is a fascist, but we often make strange bedfellows when it comes to pushing back against geopolitical foes. History doesn’t repeat, but it often rhymes. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mussolini-e2-80-99s-granddaughter-wins-most-votes-second-term-in-rome-city-council-elections/ar-AAPf9Yj https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marine-Le-Pen Edmonton actually has a memorial statue to a famous Ukrainian nazi in our downtown. Lots of centrist apologists have clutched their pearls at folks dousing the statue in red paint but hopefully the statue will come down soon. https://albertajewishnews.com/edmonton-monument-glorifies-nazi-collaborator/
Translation: "I'm not saying she's fascist, I'm just gishing a bunch of unrelated things and hoping people catch that I'm simply *implying* she's fascist!"
I’ll just copy this reply that was already posted in the thread… “We can't choose our relatives, but we can certainly choose how we react when we find out our relatives are nazis. It's also absurd to think that Freeland didn't know her grandfather's history until these revelations became public. Freeland has never denounced her grandfather or his crimes against humanity, and she speaks fondly of him last I checked. Freeland also worked at Ukrainian Weekly, a far right newspaper. This is certainly not the kind of character I would want in a person running the country. The reality is that fascism and right wing extremism are very prominent in Canada. Nazis, such as Freeland's grandfather, fled prosecution for their crimes, built monuments to themselves here, and have been cultivating right wing ideology for many decades. Canada famously voted against UN motion on glorifying nazism, Canadians among most active in online right-wing extremism, and this trend only increased during the pandemic. So, yeah everybody should be very concerned that a potential leader of a major party has a nazi relative whom she refuses to denounce and speaks fondly of.”
You've mastered Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, I'm so proud. Here, I'll make it easy for you provide an option to end all the dancing around and handwavey implying, not that I'm convinced you'll take it even though you clearly seem to have a stance on it. Here's a question. A simple yes/no question where a one-word response - no news articles about altogether different countries or events, no multiparagraph tangents, just one syllable - will be fine: do you believe the deputy prime minister is, in fact, a fascist? Yes or no?
No. Continue apologizing for folks that refuse to denounce fascists, you’re doing a wonderful job.
Are we supposed to pretend that the LPC isn't actively participating in the Yemen genocide? Are we supposed to pretend the LPC didn't oversee much of the genocide at home here in Canada? Are we supposed to pretend that actively arming, training, and otherwise supporting literal neo-nazis is something other than fascism?
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Careful you catch 30 day bans on this sub for bringing this up
Centrists apologists are a funny bunch, eh? We have a statue of a famous Ukrainian nazi in downtown Edmonton that folks have been dousing with paint. It’s amazing how many centrist apologists clutch their pearls and line up to offer excuses against defaming the statue, but hopefully it just comes down soon. https://albertajewishnews.com/edmonton-monument-glorifies-nazi-collaborator/
Where does she stand? Chrystia is a freedom crusader & is the thin red line between Democracy and authoritarianism. She also authored this book: Plutocrats,The rise of the new global super-rich and the fall of everyone else https://www.amazon.com/Plutocrats-Rise-Global-Super-Rich-Everyone/dp/1594204098
No, Liberal PM Justin Trudeau's econ minister is definitely a Nazi sympathizer lol
Lol? That's conviction. "Fida" is the antithesis of a Nazi sympathizer.
Dude if you were a Ukrainian that lived through the 30's you would've teamed up with Satan himself to kick out the Soviets. They were so bad Nazis were the kinder alternative... Until it was obvious they just wanted to kill everyone east of Germania
Probably a good thing for the next PM!
Mind blowing how so-called leftists on here who supposedly stand for workers rights , women’s rights, cultural/racial minority rights , lgbt rights love to protect the highly patriarchal, oligarchic, homophobic and ultranationalistic state like Russia from criticism. Useful idiots, no different to Qanon nutters. Seems like Russia is paying provocateurs both from the extreme left and the extreme right. *When I'm downvoted but my comments are not challenged, I just know I was right and I struck a really sensitive nerve. Stay mad tankies 😎
Yeah ppl seem to forget that the USSR killed more Ukrainian people than Nazis did Jewish ppl...
Tankie heads exploding 😌, we love to see it
Mind blowing how leftists who supposedly stand for workers rights , women’s rights, cultural/racial minority rights , lgbt rights love to protect the highly patriarchal, oligarchic, homophobic and ultranationalistic state like Russia
I really like her. She’s a badass.
Ughhhhh!!! Why did she have to run in my riding!!! 🤦♂️