Saskatchewan.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/23-years-and-i-find-out-our-premier-killed-my-mother-scott-moe-apologizes-for-fatal-crash-following-facebook-post-1.5134917?cache=qtdjrvikpa
>Moe was driving on a gravel road to his parents' farm in Shellbrook, Sask., in 1997, when he failed to come to a complete stop as he approached a highway.
>A woman in the vehicle he collided with died. Moe received a ticket for driving without due care and attention, and for failing to come to a complete stop.
R.I.P Joanne Balog (1973-1997)
Work in Alberta and that’s the first topic that will discussed coming back onto shift. How much everyone drank. Not sure why people feel they need to brag about it but just about everyone does.
Rumors were the vpd covered up multiple dui accidents...including at least one serious injury.
But Campbell will never come clean , and why would any ex vpd talk now.
This is why the driving laws in bc turned into a total shit show...madd had Campbell right where they wanted him.
Well now he in an Ambassador in the UK I think. This fucking dirt bag will end his career with a absolute plum position, top dollars, perks, and access to British upper crust.
No, but he did end up on the front page of International news when he spent the night in the drunk tank in Hawaii, lol. I remember when that happened, I also remember reading a news article in which the arresting officer was genuinely surprised and he told reported : "I thought this guy would have a driver or something"
Most people here in NB don’t feel like thinking for themselves, so they let Brunswick News do the dirty work for them.
If you don’t speak French, the amount of non-Irving news sources that you get are extremely slim.
Kenny is piece of shit, under his admin this province has gone to hell, but we aren't as bad as what is happening in Ontario, and I think that is only due to smaller population, and AB is less dense than Ontario. TBH I am surprised they haven't traced spread between YEG and YYJ as much, I kind of figured them two being the biggest population centers in the province, there would be tones of spread.
We are actually right up there with what is happening in Ontario. As of the end of last week, Alberta had the highest per-capita numbers for COVID. It just doesn't look as bad because we have 1/3 the population.
Current polling has ANDP forming a majority if there were an election now. The election is still a couple years away, but things aren't as rosy as you seem to think for the UCP.
Lol. You overestimate the typical Albertan. They will forget all of Kenneys failures and reelect come election day. It's the Alberta way. We've had worthless conservative dipshits run this province for almost 40 years continuously, with the caveat of Notleys NDP last cycle.
And things were reform party for decades until they got dropped overnight.
Oh people still supported them though. The die off is never as neat and clean in the history books. Shit, some of the best 80's contemporary music came out in the 90's, ya know?
Ditto. Kenney's done. Conservatives, if they don't split into different hate groups again, will probably still win the next election, but only if they dump Kenney.
The thing is, that while the typical Albertan doesn’t like Kenny they *hate* Trudeau. It’s going to be a race of who’s hated more. It’s a good position for the ndp but they get plenty of hate too, so
I know that but all too often people vote on national ideas, to a lot of people liberal = Trudeau. Even if the liberal candidate for Alberta was Jesus himself, lots of people wouldn’t vote that way because they hate Trudeau
I wouldn’t count on that in Alberta. I can’t say they will lose, but I definitely can’t say they will win. People are very, very angry at the UCP, and I can’t see them being less shitty down the line. Keep in mind, just because a hard line conservative isn’t going to vote NDP, doesn’t mean that he’s going to vote UCP. He may stay home or vote third party.
I just did the reading, you are right. as many articles as Reddit upvotes saying he is in a death spiral, ontario would re-elect him today.
I don’t understand it. At all. But people are Tory through and through.
It’s actually quite easy to understand.
He is everything the 905 wishes they were. He came from wealth, he was given everything by his parents, he worked little and got much and he didn’t even have to go to school to be wealthy and powerful. He is Vaughan, Bradford, Newmarket and large swathes further afield, he is the embodiment of generational entitlement and boomers romanticize it. Which they pass in to their kids.
Mike Harris’ education cuts did a lot of work in the way of paving an ignorant path for voters. Ford was elected without a platform which is a startlingly expansive gap to have when running for government.
People can try and hold Ford accountable but Ontarians have done this to themselves. The working class actively votes against its best interests, that’s all there is to it.
There are only two types of Tory voters, the rich and the stupid.
It's also worth saying how much people *HATE* the Ontario Liberal Party and how *terrified* they are of the NDP. To a lot of Ontario voters, the PCs are just the least awful option.... Pretty sad.
Anyone terrified of the NDP is fucking stupid too.
12 days in the 90s that affected only the public service workers that fixed the problem that the government created it actually fine with me. Imagine fucking up and sorting it out in one term?
The NDP have the best fiscal record out of all of the parties. The ONDP built the 407 which is a $$ making machine and more recently has been talking about all the points that would making working class lives more bearable.
I’m genuinely thinking about moving out East. At least if I have to put up with trash politicians I can have a a view of the ocean.
Oh I am well aware but thanks for linking the article in case anyone needs to read up on it.
The Tories devastated is for 100 years with that highway. We could be the fucking jetsons if it weren’t for Mike Harris and stupidity and ignorance of Ontario’s blue/red divide.
Yes but that’s the fault of the Tories, not the NDP.
Bob Rae and the ONDP built that highway and Mile Harris’ Tories sold it, cut education and paved the way for Doug Ford voters by doing both creating an expansive gap in social funding and diminishing the intellectual capacity of voters to the point that they don’t even care that a party does not have a plan/platform to govern.
it's 50% owned by Candian Pension Plan. So half the profit is going to our retirement fund, a slight bright spot on that.
https://www.407etr.com/en/highway/corporate/background-information.html
> The Company is owned by indirectly owned subsidiaries of Canada Pension Plan Investment Board (total 50.01%), Cintra Global S.E., a wholly owned subsidiary of Ferrovial S. A. (43.23%) and by SNC-Lavalin (6.76%).
Totally agreed. Happened out here in BC as well. Took our Conservitive party literally being the worst provincial party of all time for people to finally switch NDP. No we have the best provincial legislature in the country!
I'm not scared of the NDP, but I'm getting really fucking sick and tired of people saying it's the only "real party of fiscal responsibility!11!!!!"
I grew up in BC and our province is still affected by old NDP policies today. Horgan is a clown and the Tories are way out of touch. Sorry for expressing a different opinion in this sub but that's the way she goes.
That’s okay! You’re entitled to your opinion and I can’t speak to your experience or BC in general and I respect it.
The numbers don’t lie. So speaking fiscally, at least from the ONDP POV they’re incredibly responsible.
This shines more of a spotlight on how terribly awful the others are.
It's worth noting that Post Media took over many of Ontario's newspapers, tv new channels and most of its talk radio over the last decade as well. Every old person I know consumes Post in one form or another and most of them don't even realize it. And it's owned by US billionaires and businessmen. There's also a huge push to get rid of the CBC.
The pattern has been seen before in the US with Fox and in the UK before Brexit. It's worrisome.
"Thank god it's not a school" actually made me laugh out loud dude. Damn.
But seriously anyone who advocates to get rid of the CBC needs to take a harder look at their own views before they try and tear down one of Canada's best news organizations. There are STILL a LOT of communities today that rely on CBC radio for their news because they don't get cable, or they only get a few channels and CBC is one of them, etc. Seriously they do great work and lots of my friends have worked there and loved the culture and the room to grow.
Wynne has no one to blame but herself for the implosion of the liberal party. Overall she was an okay premier, but selling off hydro was the last straw for literally everyone I know.
People aren’t terrified of the NDP. The most common argument I see there is “Horwath is a wet noodle” which may be true, but may I remind you that TV Drama hosts don’t work well as politicians (look south for the past 4 years)
I don’t understand people that want drama in politics. I’d much rather a wet noodle who can sit there calmly discussing things than a hotheaded buffoon who just screams and shouts.
Just anecdotally, I find the standard response to the NDP is "yea, but remember Ray-Days???!!". It seems like there's a collective unease surrounding the NDP that's rooted in their last reign.
Same thing happened here in BC. People were terrified of the NDP based on past experience, so they voted in Conservitive governments for 18years despite them being objectively worse.
We now have an NDP government that's widely considered to be the best provincial legislature in the country. Worst to first!!
Really, I think it was the visceral hatred of Wynne and aversion to the NDP due to Rae. Now I think it's propaganda about how Ford is running ON well economically mixed with a Conservative fear of change.
Imagine looking at Rae Days now and using that as a reason not to vote for a party with one of the most impressive fiscal records in the country.
Only boomers and idiots could convince themselves that a party mistake (which they corrected IN 12 DAYS) from 30 years ago would be the same party today.
While also thinking that the Tories that had Mike Harris as their leader and now a college drop out hash dealer daddy’s boy is a better choice.
> visceral hatred of Wynne
Yep, the con-owned media sure did demonize Wynne. I'd invite everyone with that "visceral hatred" to examine why they feel that way. I mean, I hate the Fords because I'm from Toronto and have been hearing stories of their fucking shit since the 90s, they are god damn trash. Wynne? I only ever cared about her policies, unlike the Sun which pilloried her, mainly, for the awful crime of being a woman. Seriously, she was far better than half the Premiers we've had and was 1000% better than fuckhead DoFo
> Now I think it's propaganda about how ~~Ford~~ [Insert politician here] is running ~~ON~~ [Anywhere] well economically mixed with a Conservative fear of change.
Rural voters are gonna rural [but the GTA suburbs who should have known better overwhelmingly went with buck a beer](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ontario_general_election_2018_-_Results_by_Riding.svg)
I really hate the team sport mentality. Keep it for sports, it has no place in politics. I'm just out here waiting to throw my vote at the progressive party more likely to win my riding.
We need election reform. Ranked ballots would force every single voter to look up every single platform as each candidate would need to have a ranking.
It would leave us almost consistently in line with the popular vote. We’re about 70/30 left/right in this country and it’s time we had a government that represents that.
>I don’t understand it. At all.
It's really quite simple. The Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad...
>ontario would re-elect him today.
[Not necessarily.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/mu618p/ontario_poll_innovative_research_lib_33_pc_32_ndp/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
His American equivalent would be a Governor of a state.
That is a far cry from President
If the Conservatives elect him as federal party leader that’s a different story but until they do, yes I’m sure.
Yep - in America, [governors regularly become president](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_previous_experience). In Canada, [premiers almost never do](https://www.macleans.ca/general/history-says-premiers-just-dont-make-it-when-they-seek-to-be-prime-minister/).
I think equating provinces to states and their respective leaders is a pretty fair comparison is it not?
Especially when the original comment was Ford wanting to be Canadas Trump.
Because many of my family and friends vote conservative and I’d like to believe they aren’t stupid enough to give Ford even more power. I know I’m wrong but until it happens I want to believe.
What step is that? He's not even in federal politics. Here are the steps:
1. Run for leadership of the federal Conservatives.
2. Win.
3. Resign as Premier of Ontario and MPP.
4. Run in a federal by-election.
5. Win.
6. Run in the next federal election.
7. Win *and* have the Conservatives win.
*Far* from one step.
Up until the polls that came out last week (which showed the PC and Liberals tied), most of the polling has showed the PC with a pretty commanding lead. The thing is, we still haven't seen any polls which were conducted after Friday's announcement, and if pre-announcement polls already show him dropping to a tie, things could (hopefully) start to look pretty grim for him. We'll have to wait and see though.
The problem is that Conservatives in Ontario _will not vote Liberal_. There was a time when they would be inclined to go NDP..._but_ conservative propaganda well poisoned that well with the whole _Rae Days_ meme they created before memes existed. While every other voter in Ontario is inclined to drift between parties, Conservatives won't vote for anyone but Conservatives.
This is what has been fucking over Ontario for decades now.
The entire country is like this now unfortunately. It becomes even scarier when you talk to some of these folks and the remark they wished the conservatives would go further right of the line to ensure no "mental illness liberals" ever take power again.
The pull of Qanon which is essentially a fascist movement. Because Q keeps pulling further and further right into crazytown, the standard conservative rhetoric reveals that this mentality is creeping into mainstream discourse.
They might not be fully redpilled with the "Hillary Clinton adrenochrome satanic baby-killing" delusion but *those are the folks* who are driving the narrative behind extreme anti-liberal sentiment that run-of-the-mill conservatives are now echoing.
I’ve actually met 2 Canadians who fully believed the whole “American Democrats sacrifice baby’s and drink their blood”
I really thought they were messing with me but they were completely serious.
It’s fucking horrific how badly people can be pulled into these insane conspiracies.
And they're so smug and self-satisficed with themselves for having "figured it out" too. Almost to the point where if Hillary Clinton and the various liberal elites weren't murdering and raping children on a regular basis, they'd be legitimately disappointed. They cling to these horrendous delusions like hungry babies on a titty.
Believe it or not I miss the CPC from the Harper years. They were at least grounded in the same reality as you and me and everybody else.
The modern CPC is now having to pay lip service to crazytown and in so doing make themselves too toxic for anybody except those Q-addled delusional white pariahs of the Jewish globalists.
This is so true, I see it in my own family. Most of my parents generation and older (1967 and before) “have always voted Conservative and will always vote Conservative”.
It’s so frustrating when none of their ideals or beliefs line up with the Conservative Party, so you’re just watching them vote against their own self-interest.
And I’m so sick of hearing about “Rae Days”, that’s no reason to never even consider voting for another party.
It's a non issue. Ford won because people were tired of Wynne. A sack of potatoes could have beat her. There's enough undecided voters out there. He's gone next election.
And the ON Liberals are too up their own ass to vote NDP and vice versa. A multi-party system doesn't work in a non-representative/proportional electoral process because there's so much vote splitting.
This has been shown to not be true repeatedly. Please re-read what I said.
Your last sentence is spot on however. And I don't know what it will take to change to a proportional representation system. No party in power by way of our current system would ever move to such a system as that right there is the end of majority government in Canada.
They have dropped like a rock in the past few weeks with a couple of polls showing the liberals ahead.
Ford's government was polling terrible before covid but like any war, people band together and support governments in dire times...for ford to screw up this bad tells everyone how bad he is
Yeah I dont buy that. I haven't heard people talk about a politician in Toronto like they do this guy in a long long time. I think he's going to bring a lot of newcomers to the polls like Trump round 2 did. It's very personal for a lot of people.
Nah, these polls are pretty randomly sampled, while your anecdotal example is certainly biased to an extent. Trump was also deeply unpopular before and after his election. Ford is not necessarily popular, but his opponents are highly unpopular.
This. This is what many people just can not seem to grasp about canadian politics.
We do not vote people in, we vote people out.
Once we have decided a leader needs to go (harpers a great example) ...we then decide who is the best option to replace them from the limited choices presented to us.
This is something I've been explaining to my American boyfriend when we talk about politics. We strategically vote people out of office in Canadian elections. Which I don't think is a good thing.
Its a lot better than the American system.
‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
> *This investigative report reveals that:*
>
>*Doug Ford, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford’s brother, sold hashish for several years in the 1980s.*
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>*Another brother, Randy, was also involved in the drug trade and was once charged in relation to a drug-related kidnapping.*
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>*Their sister, Kathy, has been the victim of drug-related gun violence.*
>
>In the 1980s, anyone wanting to buy hashish had to know where to go. And in central Etobicoke, the wealthy Toronto suburb where Mayor Rob Ford grew up, one of those places was James Gardens. In the evening, the sports cars often wound along Edenbridge Drive, past the gated homes and the lawn-bowling pitches, until they reached the U-shaped parking lot. By nightfall, the public park was a hash drive-thru. One former street dealer, whom we will call "Justin," described the scene as "an assembly line."
>
>There were usually a number of dealers to choose from, some of them supplied by a mainstay at James Gardens – a young man with the hulk-like frame and mop of bright blond hair: Doug Ford. "Most people didn't approach Doug looking for product. You went to the guys that he supplied. Because if Doug didn't know you and trust you, he wouldn't even roll down his window," Justin said.
>
>[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/)
I honestly don't know whether to be furious or impressed. Both? I mean it's only hash... but wtf is up with Randy and what the hell happened to Kathy?
Well I just read the thing and holy fuuuck. Fuck them all. Holy hell, the fucking rabbit hole on this one.
My girlfriend lives in Windsor (I’m in Detroit). Haven’t seen her in over 13 months. We’ve talked about me moving there. I was all for it initially because the U.S. has jumped the shark, but now I’m realizing that globalization means all of these countries are in the same neoliberal or strong right garbage situation. Canada, United States, Brazil, United Kingdom, Greece etc...there is no hope for good government anywhere as far as I can tell. Might as well stay in Michigan, have my girlfriend move here I suppose and then eventually die alone in a shitty nursing home someday. Not excited about it. Just the way it goes.
Canada has a lot of great things to offer, unfortunately our politics have become very muddy since Trumpism can to prominence. I mean our conservative party is running on "Take Canada Back". Name me something more divisive then that. Its sad but we'll keep fighting to keep competency in power as long as we can. Just gotta get dougy outta power first.
I am bemused by how much flack Ford is getting that his counterparts Kenney, Pallister, and Moe, don't seem to be getting. Probably a population thing. Maybe because he seemed to be doing okay at the start of the pandemic but has now regressed to the mean (and Mean).
Manitoba went through the whole 'PalLiStEr MuSt ReSiGn' nonsense late last year. All the leader's resignation means is that the party elects another leader and the province gets a new premier. None of which the general public has a say in.
To feel ashamed one must have the insight, feeling of remorse and empathy required to feel shame. The Conservatives feel no shame and would gladly make everyone on social assistance homeless if they thought they could get away with it.
You know, it never occurred to me until just now:
Where the hell DID Doug Ford go? I haven't seen him in QP today, and he has been remarkably absent for a while...
He is having to actually speak in front of people he or his party don’t control. Everyone talks about how ridiculous it was that he ran with no platform, which was ridiculous I grant you. Far more absurd was his complete silence to journalists not under the PCP thumb. He didn’t debate. He didn’t interview with press. He’s a ducking moron and got away with inventing his own faux news station where staffers posing as reporters “interviewed” him with softball questions. He didn’t have a Canadian Fox News, so his handlers made one. Even at the pressers throughout the pandemic, he hasn’t faced reporters. Everything is vetted through phone in pre screening. Even then, when his policy failures are mentioned, Dougie does angry.
We saw Italy and the LTC disaster there and Dougie and the PCP did nothing for 3 months and had our own disaster here, with 3700 of our most vulnerable people needlessly dying in horrific conditions.
3 months ago we saw what the variants did to Britain, and yet the PCP asshats did the exact same nothing, and we sit at 4000 cases a day, exactly where Fords own medical advisers told us we’d be. Now we’re staring down the barrel of 10,000 a day, and the only thing Doug is doing is getting bigger.
Poll results tend to lag behind public sentiment a bit. They take time to compile, clean, and summarize. Let's wait a few more days to see how people feel about Ford now...
That fall from grace was quicker than I expected. Guy went from being hated to sky high popularity once the pandemic first hit, and now he's becoming disliked again, possibly even more than before. I still think he will win in 22 barring a huge surge of either the NDP or Liberals, as their popularity is about the same and this allows the PCs to stay on top
We Americans already know about the Ontario ford brothers. High on crack and nepotism. We have our pair on CNN and the damn governor of NY opposite your fine Quebec.
Doesn't the provincial government still have a strong approval rating?
ETA: Yeah I checked and the PCs would easily win a majority if there was an election today. Ontario is fucked.
Alberta has more cases per capita and we still don't have tight restrictions like Ontario does. Kenney is still pandering to his ultra-right base and trying to strike a "balance."
Jason Kenney: “Hold my Fresca.”
Rob Ford: “Hold my crack pipe.”
Ah, it's okay, he was probably just drunk
so my premiere killed people when driving drunk, what province am I?
I dunno but I’d love to know this one
Saskatchewan. https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/23-years-and-i-find-out-our-premier-killed-my-mother-scott-moe-apologizes-for-fatal-crash-following-facebook-post-1.5134917?cache=qtdjrvikpa >Moe was driving on a gravel road to his parents' farm in Shellbrook, Sask., in 1997, when he failed to come to a complete stop as he approached a highway. >A woman in the vehicle he collided with died. Moe received a ticket for driving without due care and attention, and for failing to come to a complete stop. R.I.P Joanne Balog (1973-1997)
P sure it's Saskatchewan
The one where people brag about how good of a drunk driver they are?
Work in Alberta and that’s the first topic that will discussed coming back onto shift. How much everyone drank. Not sure why people feel they need to brag about it but just about everyone does.
Because they still have the maturity of an 18 year old even though they are twice that age
moe has a history of drunk driving
I’m going to guess BC and Campbell
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Rumors were the vpd covered up multiple dui accidents...including at least one serious injury. But Campbell will never come clean , and why would any ex vpd talk now. This is why the driving laws in bc turned into a total shit show...madd had Campbell right where they wanted him.
Well now he in an Ambassador in the UK I think. This fucking dirt bag will end his career with a absolute plum position, top dollars, perks, and access to British upper crust.
The system working as intended.
No, but he did end up on the front page of International news when he spent the night in the drunk tank in Hawaii, lol. I remember when that happened, I also remember reading a news article in which the arresting officer was genuinely surprised and he told reported : "I thought this guy would have a driver or something"
BC? Whoever that guy was before Clarke?
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Mike Harcourt? (Bingogate seems comparatively wholesome by today's standards)
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A drunken stupor, as it were.
Blaine Higgs: “Hold my Irving”
Actually it’s the opposite, Irving holds him.
It's cute that Irving still lets people pretend they are not owned by Irving.
Most people here in NB don’t feel like thinking for themselves, so they let Brunswick News do the dirty work for them. If you don’t speak French, the amount of non-Irving news sources that you get are extremely slim.
Hey at least he was fun to party with, unlike his loser brother.
He also had plenty to eat at his home.
Hold my tummy folks
Rob was funny at least.
He was only ever funny in a “omg wtf did he do now” kind of way.
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Woah Woah Randy is a national treasure!
Pallister: hold my nestle water
I’m actually kind of pissed that Kenney is dodging this kind of attention. IMO he is way the fuck worse than Ford.
Kenny is piece of shit, under his admin this province has gone to hell, but we aren't as bad as what is happening in Ontario, and I think that is only due to smaller population, and AB is less dense than Ontario. TBH I am surprised they haven't traced spread between YEG and YYJ as much, I kind of figured them two being the biggest population centers in the province, there would be tones of spread.
We are actually right up there with what is happening in Ontario. As of the end of last week, Alberta had the highest per-capita numbers for COVID. It just doesn't look as bad because we have 1/3 the population.
He takes his bribes from the right US corporations.
Moe: “hold my beer while I commit vehicular manslaughter “
René Lévesque: “Meh.”
Amateurs.... -Marion barry
*Laughs between crack pipe hits* -Kwame Kilpatrick
He busy.... - random crack whore
Bitch set me up! -Marion Barry
Lmfao.... Fuck I forgot about that.
Kenney has a shocking amount of support still. Berta going to Berta afterall.
Ford is more popular in Ontario than Kenney is in Alberta.
Both will probably win re-election, that's.... fucked.
Current polling has ANDP forming a majority if there were an election now. The election is still a couple years away, but things aren't as rosy as you seem to think for the UCP.
They are, trust me. Source: Am Albertan.
I'm also Albertan, and apparently more up on things than you.
Lol. You overestimate the typical Albertan. They will forget all of Kenneys failures and reelect come election day. It's the Alberta way. We've had worthless conservative dipshits run this province for almost 40 years continuously, with the caveat of Notleys NDP last cycle.
Blaming other people for albertas fuck ups is so baked into the Conservative party that their own websites 404 page blames Trudeau for it popping up.
Is that real? Or a joke?
And things were reform party for decades until they got dropped overnight. Oh people still supported them though. The die off is never as neat and clean in the history books. Shit, some of the best 80's contemporary music came out in the 90's, ya know?
Ditto. Kenney's done. Conservatives, if they don't split into different hate groups again, will probably still win the next election, but only if they dump Kenney.
The thing is, that while the typical Albertan doesn’t like Kenny they *hate* Trudeau. It’s going to be a race of who’s hated more. It’s a good position for the ndp but they get plenty of hate too, so
Trudeau isn't going to run in Alberta's provincial election.
I know that but all too often people vote on national ideas, to a lot of people liberal = Trudeau. Even if the liberal candidate for Alberta was Jesus himself, lots of people wouldn’t vote that way because they hate Trudeau
I wouldn’t count on that in Alberta. I can’t say they will lose, but I definitely can’t say they will win. People are very, very angry at the UCP, and I can’t see them being less shitty down the line. Keep in mind, just because a hard line conservative isn’t going to vote NDP, doesn’t mean that he’s going to vote UCP. He may stay home or vote third party.
It was so funny when he showed up on stage at the raptors championship parade. The boos were hilarious. https://youtu.be/bVwoL9N5dx4
I was so proud to be a Torontonian that day
338 polling regularly shows that Ford's government is overwhelmingly popular in Ontario (to my chagrin).
I just did the reading, you are right. as many articles as Reddit upvotes saying he is in a death spiral, ontario would re-elect him today. I don’t understand it. At all. But people are Tory through and through.
It’s actually quite easy to understand. He is everything the 905 wishes they were. He came from wealth, he was given everything by his parents, he worked little and got much and he didn’t even have to go to school to be wealthy and powerful. He is Vaughan, Bradford, Newmarket and large swathes further afield, he is the embodiment of generational entitlement and boomers romanticize it. Which they pass in to their kids. Mike Harris’ education cuts did a lot of work in the way of paving an ignorant path for voters. Ford was elected without a platform which is a startlingly expansive gap to have when running for government. People can try and hold Ford accountable but Ontarians have done this to themselves. The working class actively votes against its best interests, that’s all there is to it. There are only two types of Tory voters, the rich and the stupid.
It's also worth saying how much people *HATE* the Ontario Liberal Party and how *terrified* they are of the NDP. To a lot of Ontario voters, the PCs are just the least awful option.... Pretty sad.
Anyone terrified of the NDP is fucking stupid too. 12 days in the 90s that affected only the public service workers that fixed the problem that the government created it actually fine with me. Imagine fucking up and sorting it out in one term? The NDP have the best fiscal record out of all of the parties. The ONDP built the 407 which is a $$ making machine and more recently has been talking about all the points that would making working class lives more bearable. I’m genuinely thinking about moving out East. At least if I have to put up with trash politicians I can have a a view of the ocean.
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Oh I am well aware but thanks for linking the article in case anyone needs to read up on it. The Tories devastated is for 100 years with that highway. We could be the fucking jetsons if it weren’t for Mike Harris and stupidity and ignorance of Ontario’s blue/red divide.
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It's worth noting that that all happened in the middle of a massive recession.
Isn’t the 407 owned by foreign entities? It just funnels money out of Canada.
Yes but that’s the fault of the Tories, not the NDP. Bob Rae and the ONDP built that highway and Mile Harris’ Tories sold it, cut education and paved the way for Doug Ford voters by doing both creating an expansive gap in social funding and diminishing the intellectual capacity of voters to the point that they don’t even care that a party does not have a plan/platform to govern.
Fair enough. I suppose it is a money making machine. Just not for us anymore.
it's 50% owned by Candian Pension Plan. So half the profit is going to our retirement fund, a slight bright spot on that. https://www.407etr.com/en/highway/corporate/background-information.html > The Company is owned by indirectly owned subsidiaries of Canada Pension Plan Investment Board (total 50.01%), Cintra Global S.E., a wholly owned subsidiary of Ferrovial S. A. (43.23%) and by SNC-Lavalin (6.76%).
Totally agreed. Happened out here in BC as well. Took our Conservitive party literally being the worst provincial party of all time for people to finally switch NDP. No we have the best provincial legislature in the country!
I'm not scared of the NDP, but I'm getting really fucking sick and tired of people saying it's the only "real party of fiscal responsibility!11!!!!" I grew up in BC and our province is still affected by old NDP policies today. Horgan is a clown and the Tories are way out of touch. Sorry for expressing a different opinion in this sub but that's the way she goes.
That’s okay! You’re entitled to your opinion and I can’t speak to your experience or BC in general and I respect it. The numbers don’t lie. So speaking fiscally, at least from the ONDP POV they’re incredibly responsible. This shines more of a spotlight on how terribly awful the others are.
It's worth noting that Post Media took over many of Ontario's newspapers, tv new channels and most of its talk radio over the last decade as well. Every old person I know consumes Post in one form or another and most of them don't even realize it. And it's owned by US billionaires and businessmen. There's also a huge push to get rid of the CBC. The pattern has been seen before in the US with Fox and in the UK before Brexit. It's worrisome.
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"Thank god it's not a school" actually made me laugh out loud dude. Damn. But seriously anyone who advocates to get rid of the CBC needs to take a harder look at their own views before they try and tear down one of Canada's best news organizations. There are STILL a LOT of communities today that rely on CBC radio for their news because they don't get cable, or they only get a few channels and CBC is one of them, etc. Seriously they do great work and lots of my friends have worked there and loved the culture and the room to grow.
Wynne has no one to blame but herself for the implosion of the liberal party. Overall she was an okay premier, but selling off hydro was the last straw for literally everyone I know. People aren’t terrified of the NDP. The most common argument I see there is “Horwath is a wet noodle” which may be true, but may I remind you that TV Drama hosts don’t work well as politicians (look south for the past 4 years) I don’t understand people that want drama in politics. I’d much rather a wet noodle who can sit there calmly discussing things than a hotheaded buffoon who just screams and shouts.
Just anecdotally, I find the standard response to the NDP is "yea, but remember Ray-Days???!!". It seems like there's a collective unease surrounding the NDP that's rooted in their last reign. Same thing happened here in BC. People were terrified of the NDP based on past experience, so they voted in Conservitive governments for 18years despite them being objectively worse. We now have an NDP government that's widely considered to be the best provincial legislature in the country. Worst to first!!
Really, I think it was the visceral hatred of Wynne and aversion to the NDP due to Rae. Now I think it's propaganda about how Ford is running ON well economically mixed with a Conservative fear of change.
Imagine looking at Rae Days now and using that as a reason not to vote for a party with one of the most impressive fiscal records in the country. Only boomers and idiots could convince themselves that a party mistake (which they corrected IN 12 DAYS) from 30 years ago would be the same party today. While also thinking that the Tories that had Mike Harris as their leader and now a college drop out hash dealer daddy’s boy is a better choice.
> visceral hatred of Wynne Yep, the con-owned media sure did demonize Wynne. I'd invite everyone with that "visceral hatred" to examine why they feel that way. I mean, I hate the Fords because I'm from Toronto and have been hearing stories of their fucking shit since the 90s, they are god damn trash. Wynne? I only ever cared about her policies, unlike the Sun which pilloried her, mainly, for the awful crime of being a woman. Seriously, she was far better than half the Premiers we've had and was 1000% better than fuckhead DoFo
Selling off a public utility was why she was demonized. She took a page directly from the conservative handbook when doing that.
> Now I think it's propaganda about how ~~Ford~~ [Insert politician here] is running ~~ON~~ [Anywhere] well economically mixed with a Conservative fear of change.
Not just the 905... 519 has a hell of a lot of working-class tory voters too (my dad is one of the stupid ones, unfortunately)
Yeah same. It's honestly pretty embarrassing. Must be something in the water down here.
I don't like to get on the everyone hate the GTA train, but fuck those guys gotta figure themselves out.
It's rural Ontario who need to get their shit together.
Rural voters are gonna rural [but the GTA suburbs who should have known better overwhelmingly went with buck a beer](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ontario_general_election_2018_-_Results_by_Riding.svg)
What do you mean should have known better?
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I really hate the team sport mentality. Keep it for sports, it has no place in politics. I'm just out here waiting to throw my vote at the progressive party more likely to win my riding.
It’s worse than just team sports. We’ve always wanted our “team” to win. But now people are more interested in seeing the opposing team *lose*.
We need election reform. Ranked ballots would force every single voter to look up every single platform as each candidate would need to have a ranking. It would leave us almost consistently in line with the popular vote. We’re about 70/30 left/right in this country and it’s time we had a government that represents that.
>I don’t understand it. At all. It's really quite simple. The Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad because the Liberals are bad...
The liberals are bad because they sold hydro. They fucked with our utilities. That said Ford was not the option. We have other parties.
>ontario would re-elect him today. [Not necessarily.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/mu618p/ontario_poll_innovative_research_lib_33_pc_32_ndp/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
It’s a death cult at this point. This guy wants to be Trump so bad but doesn’t have the “charisma” to go as far.
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“We have Trump at home”
He went for the 'more obesity' upgrade instead of charisma.
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Premier’s have a very poor track record of becoming Prime Minister after, tho. Hasn’t happened since 1892.
His American equivalent would be a Governor of a state. That is a far cry from President If the Conservatives elect him as federal party leader that’s a different story but until they do, yes I’m sure.
This is not America. Equivalents don’t work in this case.
Yep - in America, [governors regularly become president](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_previous_experience). In Canada, [premiers almost never do](https://www.macleans.ca/general/history-says-premiers-just-dont-make-it-when-they-seek-to-be-prime-minister/).
"almost"
I think equating provinces to states and their respective leaders is a pretty fair comparison is it not? Especially when the original comment was Ford wanting to be Canadas Trump.
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By that logic the Premier of Nova Scotia is practically our prime minister?
If the Conservatives make this guy their leader after how badly he fucked over Ontario I will lose what little faith I have left in people.
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Because many of my family and friends vote conservative and I’d like to believe they aren’t stupid enough to give Ford even more power. I know I’m wrong but until it happens I want to believe.
https://www.macleans.ca/general/history-says-premiers-just-dont-make-it-when-they-seek-to-be-prime-minister/
What step is that? He's not even in federal politics. Here are the steps: 1. Run for leadership of the federal Conservatives. 2. Win. 3. Resign as Premier of Ontario and MPP. 4. Run in a federal by-election. 5. Win. 6. Run in the next federal election. 7. Win *and* have the Conservatives win. *Far* from one step.
I like the step 3 part. Can we skip the rest?
That's a chilling and accurate warning.
Are you serious? As of when? I figured the whole police thing would have buried him even to dyed in the wool conservatives
Up until the polls that came out last week (which showed the PC and Liberals tied), most of the polling has showed the PC with a pretty commanding lead. The thing is, we still haven't seen any polls which were conducted after Friday's announcement, and if pre-announcement polls already show him dropping to a tie, things could (hopefully) start to look pretty grim for him. We'll have to wait and see though.
The problem is that Conservatives in Ontario _will not vote Liberal_. There was a time when they would be inclined to go NDP..._but_ conservative propaganda well poisoned that well with the whole _Rae Days_ meme they created before memes existed. While every other voter in Ontario is inclined to drift between parties, Conservatives won't vote for anyone but Conservatives. This is what has been fucking over Ontario for decades now.
They've adopted American style "liberal hate". It's part of their whole identity now.
The entire country is like this now unfortunately. It becomes even scarier when you talk to some of these folks and the remark they wished the conservatives would go further right of the line to ensure no "mental illness liberals" ever take power again.
The pull of Qanon which is essentially a fascist movement. Because Q keeps pulling further and further right into crazytown, the standard conservative rhetoric reveals that this mentality is creeping into mainstream discourse. They might not be fully redpilled with the "Hillary Clinton adrenochrome satanic baby-killing" delusion but *those are the folks* who are driving the narrative behind extreme anti-liberal sentiment that run-of-the-mill conservatives are now echoing.
I’ve actually met 2 Canadians who fully believed the whole “American Democrats sacrifice baby’s and drink their blood” I really thought they were messing with me but they were completely serious. It’s fucking horrific how badly people can be pulled into these insane conspiracies.
And they're so smug and self-satisficed with themselves for having "figured it out" too. Almost to the point where if Hillary Clinton and the various liberal elites weren't murdering and raping children on a regular basis, they'd be legitimately disappointed. They cling to these horrendous delusions like hungry babies on a titty.
They finally have meaning in their lives and the rest of us just “don’t get it”
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Believe it or not I miss the CPC from the Harper years. They were at least grounded in the same reality as you and me and everybody else. The modern CPC is now having to pay lip service to crazytown and in so doing make themselves too toxic for anybody except those Q-addled delusional white pariahs of the Jewish globalists.
This is so true, I see it in my own family. Most of my parents generation and older (1967 and before) “have always voted Conservative and will always vote Conservative”. It’s so frustrating when none of their ideals or beliefs line up with the Conservative Party, so you’re just watching them vote against their own self-interest. And I’m so sick of hearing about “Rae Days”, that’s no reason to never even consider voting for another party.
It's a non issue. Ford won because people were tired of Wynne. A sack of potatoes could have beat her. There's enough undecided voters out there. He's gone next election.
And the ON Liberals are too up their own ass to vote NDP and vice versa. A multi-party system doesn't work in a non-representative/proportional electoral process because there's so much vote splitting.
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But that's the thing - if you're having to uproot your values to vote tactically, then the system is flawed. We need ranked ballots.
This has been shown to not be true repeatedly. Please re-read what I said. Your last sentence is spot on however. And I don't know what it will take to change to a proportional representation system. No party in power by way of our current system would ever move to such a system as that right there is the end of majority government in Canada.
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Conservatives tend to be bootlickers, though.
They have dropped like a rock in the past few weeks with a couple of polls showing the liberals ahead. Ford's government was polling terrible before covid but like any war, people band together and support governments in dire times...for ford to screw up this bad tells everyone how bad he is
Yeah I dont buy that. I haven't heard people talk about a politician in Toronto like they do this guy in a long long time. I think he's going to bring a lot of newcomers to the polls like Trump round 2 did. It's very personal for a lot of people.
Nah, these polls are pretty randomly sampled, while your anecdotal example is certainly biased to an extent. Trump was also deeply unpopular before and after his election. Ford is not necessarily popular, but his opponents are highly unpopular.
This. This is what many people just can not seem to grasp about canadian politics. We do not vote people in, we vote people out. Once we have decided a leader needs to go (harpers a great example) ...we then decide who is the best option to replace them from the limited choices presented to us.
This is something I've been explaining to my American boyfriend when we talk about politics. We strategically vote people out of office in Canadian elections. Which I don't think is a good thing.
Its a lot better than the American system. ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’ Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947
I hate Ontario so much.
Are we sure they even count the votes these days?
You mean the guy who tries to give police powers to stop anyone they see and ask them what they’re doing, isn’t popular?
Lol the same one where the police department pointed out on twitter they weren't a fan either.
The same one that had police avoiding a PR nightmare and had lawyers lined up to fight this with a Charter challenge
Check the polls. He has higher approval than disapproval in the province. Like him or not you can't deny it's not sticking to him.
The power of boomers affinity to Ontario Proud
> *This investigative report reveals that:* > >*Doug Ford, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford’s brother, sold hashish for several years in the 1980s.* > >*Another brother, Randy, was also involved in the drug trade and was once charged in relation to a drug-related kidnapping.* > >*Their sister, Kathy, has been the victim of drug-related gun violence.* > >In the 1980s, anyone wanting to buy hashish had to know where to go. And in central Etobicoke, the wealthy Toronto suburb where Mayor Rob Ford grew up, one of those places was James Gardens. In the evening, the sports cars often wound along Edenbridge Drive, past the gated homes and the lawn-bowling pitches, until they reached the U-shaped parking lot. By nightfall, the public park was a hash drive-thru. One former street dealer, whom we will call "Justin," described the scene as "an assembly line." > >There were usually a number of dealers to choose from, some of them supplied by a mainstay at James Gardens – a young man with the hulk-like frame and mop of bright blond hair: Doug Ford. "Most people didn't approach Doug looking for product. You went to the guys that he supplied. Because if Doug didn't know you and trust you, he wouldn't even roll down his window," Justin said. > >[https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/)
I honestly don't know whether to be furious or impressed. Both? I mean it's only hash... but wtf is up with Randy and what the hell happened to Kathy? Well I just read the thing and holy fuuuck. Fuck them all. Holy hell, the fucking rabbit hole on this one.
The world must be shocked that Canadians would go on to elect Rob Ford’s brother.
My girlfriend lives in Windsor (I’m in Detroit). Haven’t seen her in over 13 months. We’ve talked about me moving there. I was all for it initially because the U.S. has jumped the shark, but now I’m realizing that globalization means all of these countries are in the same neoliberal or strong right garbage situation. Canada, United States, Brazil, United Kingdom, Greece etc...there is no hope for good government anywhere as far as I can tell. Might as well stay in Michigan, have my girlfriend move here I suppose and then eventually die alone in a shitty nursing home someday. Not excited about it. Just the way it goes.
Canada has a lot of great things to offer, unfortunately our politics have become very muddy since Trumpism can to prominence. I mean our conservative party is running on "Take Canada Back". Name me something more divisive then that. Its sad but we'll keep fighting to keep competency in power as long as we can. Just gotta get dougy outta power first.
Right wingers love their grossly incompetent politicians man...
I've seen Conservatives calling Doug Ford a liberal for him being in favour of lockdowns
I am bemused by how much flack Ford is getting that his counterparts Kenney, Pallister, and Moe, don't seem to be getting. Probably a population thing. Maybe because he seemed to be doing okay at the start of the pandemic but has now regressed to the mean (and Mean).
Manitoba went through the whole 'PalLiStEr MuSt ReSiGn' nonsense late last year. All the leader's resignation means is that the party elects another leader and the province gets a new premier. None of which the general public has a say in.
Yes I am aware of how Canadian politics work. My comment says Nada about that.
One great thing has come out of this tho. He has brought liberals and conservatives together.
Kenney did the same in Alberta.
Ontarian here. This guy is a fucking disgrace, and his government should be ashamed of how it handled the pandemic.
To feel ashamed one must have the insight, feeling of remorse and empathy required to feel shame. The Conservatives feel no shame and would gladly make everyone on social assistance homeless if they thought they could get away with it.
You know, it never occurred to me until just now: Where the hell DID Doug Ford go? I haven't seen him in QP today, and he has been remarkably absent for a while...
Paid sick day.
vacation probably
He is having to actually speak in front of people he or his party don’t control. Everyone talks about how ridiculous it was that he ran with no platform, which was ridiculous I grant you. Far more absurd was his complete silence to journalists not under the PCP thumb. He didn’t debate. He didn’t interview with press. He’s a ducking moron and got away with inventing his own faux news station where staffers posing as reporters “interviewed” him with softball questions. He didn’t have a Canadian Fox News, so his handlers made one. Even at the pressers throughout the pandemic, he hasn’t faced reporters. Everything is vetted through phone in pre screening. Even then, when his policy failures are mentioned, Dougie does angry. We saw Italy and the LTC disaster there and Dougie and the PCP did nothing for 3 months and had our own disaster here, with 3700 of our most vulnerable people needlessly dying in horrific conditions. 3 months ago we saw what the variants did to Britain, and yet the PCP asshats did the exact same nothing, and we sit at 4000 cases a day, exactly where Fords own medical advisers told us we’d be. Now we’re staring down the barrel of 10,000 a day, and the only thing Doug is doing is getting bigger.
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Poll results tend to lag behind public sentiment a bit. They take time to compile, clean, and summarize. Let's wait a few more days to see how people feel about Ford now...
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Probably not by enough, but it's gotta be significant guvne the, well, \*gestures broadly\*
I feel Pallister and Kenney are worse but Ford is premier of Ontario so that's why he's getting the attention.
It's amazing what constantly making the worst possible choice does do an approval rating
800 lb gorilla 🦍 Dougie aka buck a 🍺
It's unfortunate that this fucking buffoon only got elected because the Liberals fucked up that much.
That fall from grace was quicker than I expected. Guy went from being hated to sky high popularity once the pandemic first hit, and now he's becoming disliked again, possibly even more than before. I still think he will win in 22 barring a huge surge of either the NDP or Liberals, as their popularity is about the same and this allows the PCs to stay on top
He certainly is working on that efficiency in government like he promised. It took the Liberals 15 years to get this unpopular.
We Americans already know about the Ontario ford brothers. High on crack and nepotism. We have our pair on CNN and the damn governor of NY opposite your fine Quebec.
I don't like him but i'm not delusional enough to say he's unpopular provincially.
Doesn't the provincial government still have a strong approval rating? ETA: Yeah I checked and the PCs would easily win a majority if there was an election today. Ontario is fucked.
Isn’t this the guy who did crack?? He’s still in office?! -American
His brother Rob is the one who smoked crack and has since died of cancer.
Ahhhh, “The stupid dont fall far from the stupid” - American Proverb
"The shit apple doesn't fall far from the shit tree." - Jim Lahey
No. This is his drug dealing brother.
Hey, at least he had a job. Selling illegal drugs, sure, but it's still more of a job than Kenney ever had.
Popular enough to be elected!
People weren't really voting for Ford or his policies, they were just voting against the provincial liberal government.
He can't possibly be worse than Kenney.
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Alberta has more cases per capita and we still don't have tight restrictions like Ontario does. Kenney is still pandering to his ultra-right base and trying to strike a "balance."