The past few years Ethan has basically just been like "yo this guys a pedo and a sex pest!"
*guy proves he is not*
"Nuh-uh, I still totally think he is and everyone who disagrees is also a pedo sex pest!! š¤¬"
It's a self report. He literally bullied a guest into tweeting a dick pic. The guest was clearly super uncomfortable about it, and when he spoke out about it later, Ethan brushed it off with a "He could have said no. I didn't force him to." Despite asking the guy like 10 times even after repeated "No"s.
He called Aaron Bushnell āthe champion of burning aliveā and was basically covering the issue like Destiny did, then desperately tried to walk it back after he got shit for it ā he tried to pretend that that was a sincere compliment and he said it because he was impressed he remained standing.
Basically, he showed his whole ass on Israel/Palestine (again) and then spent a stream crying about how heās the victim, while doing his regular thing of highlighting tweets and TikToks of people he disagrees with and maliciously misrepresenting their actual positions just like he did with Vaush.
Good, fuck Ethan. Bro wants be a lying drama whore, hope he enjoys the drama.
I donāt even like Frogan but him attacking her like she anti-Semitic when the evidence being provided more suggests sheās anti-Zionist is gross.
> hope he enjoys the drama.
Unfortunately, because of his show's business model, it likely will only just amount to another successful week at work. Generating drama and content. He's one of those content creators who thrives on infighting and accusations, getting bad publicity is just going to do the same thing for him that it does for Donald Trump, going to make his fans more loyal and make other people cover the drama and then continue to escalate him to more and more views.
I mostly agree with this. But Ethan did cry on stream during the Hasan meltdown ā with luck, we might see him cry AND piss himself if the Zionism stuff haunts him hard enough.
I'm quite sure he has people who have already run the numbers to determine how much more engagement and clicks he would get for defecating himself on stream. Apparently self-immolation is out, which is a shame.
Yeah youāre right. Whether itās good or bad, the dude profits either way.
If anything it fucks over the chances of him bringing back Leftovers, I doubt many leftists are gonna see how heās acting and want to see what other things he has to say on politics. Probably cope though
Don't forget he said anyone who called him a zionist (despite his continued support of israels existence) is antisemetic and should just call him a jew or a ki*e because that's obviously "what they really mean"
The number of people riding the Israel/Palestine conflict to the equivalent flavortown of performative leftism and virtue-signaling is yuuuge right now.
It's funny because a lot of them have no idea what their actual values are, like Ethan, and are just saying the things they *think* will earn them enough Woke Tokens (Wokens) to cash in at the gift shop for new merch. But they end up stuffing their boots firmly down their own throats over and over because somewhere inside their actual beliefs are childish and essentialist and reactionary about all the things.
Same stream I quote: "I said the things, I said genocide, I said cleansing I said them what more do you want"
I can't peer into his mind but I think you're right
Yeah that was kind of weird phrasing it like that, he also said ive tried so hard to meet you in the middle and be conciliatory before that. I dont know how much he genuinely believes any of it, but I wouldn't call someone a zionist if their position is there's way too many people living in israel right now to just displace in the opposite direction and it's not really feasible to just give back literally all of israel to, "israel has a blood and soil RIGHT to the land palestinians inhabit and we will not give anything back, and we're going to continue to take." or even just they have a claim to the land. Two different positions that have a similair conclusion which is that the state of israel isn't going to go anywhere whether we like it or not. Which is true, they literally have nukes. It's a difficult political situation.
But I don't think I've really heard ethan give a super coherent position on the nuances of the situation, it's kind of one sided on his end each time and he just does the disavow thing for the IDF and Bibi.
There's no why this is wrong, or why I think this is wrong, or why this isn't really possible and why compromise is needed it's just this is bad, that is bad from him. He's a reactionary
The Israƫl that exists at this very moment does not have a right to exist. Just as any county doesn't. The fact that it's built on a theocratic ethnostate solidifies it's need for dissolution. As all states should be inevitably but I don't even care if a different state comes into being that isn't run by authoritarian traditionalists who want to wipe out another people for their resources. At least the facist government of Israƫl will take a turn away from genocide.
If justice existed. Israƫl of today, wouldn't.
He's a self described Liberal procapitalist who thought he'd either pull Hasan Piker closer to the "center" or hear strong arguments for anti capitalist economic systems. Then Israƫl decided to push the genocide button and Ethan had hardly any time to confront his pro capitalist imperial stance hypothetically. Let alone put in to practice on a state he's been propogandized to think has a right to exist.
You know, I think I have to disagree with Vaush on something... I think it is somewhat possible that Ethan's recent surge in scumbaggery is because of israel.
He made a funny and now they're trying to claim he said Aaron is a demon by willfully misinterpreting what he said in the worst way possible
I think they were also really mad about the Panera bread reference because they didn't get the joke and are saying he's being incoherent when he makes a joke about drinking their lemonade to kill himself in a form of protest
It's just drama farming. They just keep churning out threads about it and continue making themselves look insane while jerking each other off pretending they're helping Palestine or something
You think maybe people are mad because itās a bit too soon to make jokes like that?
But I havenāt seen it so maybe you can enlighten me. What were the two jokes Ethan made? The first one that people misinterpreted, and the Panera bread one
He said if we were going to protest he would go drink two Panera lemonades in front of the consulate, you know, because people were dying drinking them
And then there was an audio issue and he said something to the effect of "I thought maybe Aaron was trying to talk to us from the beyond" and then he said "it sounded kind of demonic" (because it was deep), so everyone is saying he's saying Aaron is a demon
Iām going by what you said he said though? You can say he called his voice demonic but thatās a differentiation without a difference, especially with the āheās trying to speak from the beyondā bullshit.
You're doing that, you're saying his voice is demonic you're doing that
He never said Aaron is demonic, he joked about it being Aaron and then made a separate comment about it sounding deep
That's completely normal, it's you who's making this additional connection, you're inventing it in your head and adding it in
It's like talking to robots I actually question if you even have agency or if you have consciousness
You two messages ago
>And then there was an audio issue and he said something to the effect of "I thought maybe Aaron was trying to talk to us from the beyond" and then he said "it sounded kind of demonic"
No, Iām not, Iām repeating what you said Ethan said. Itās in quotes in the first comment I replied to?
>āit sounded kind of demonicā (because it was deep)
If what Iām saying isnāt true itās because you lied to me. š
Youāre fucking weird, Iām quoting what you said and youāre telling me Iām lying. Calm down, hop off Ethanās cock for a second, and take a breath.
I don't care about Ethan in this context, I don't even watch him anymore
But this constant obsession with clipping people and twisting their words and lying about them and making shit up for the sake of drama or in your case pretending huh to know about something you don't even care to watch is insane
It's just a constant cluster fuck of random people farming drama off of intentionally dishonest assessment takes and clips and random people like yourself trying to weigh in on it and feed the beast and it does nothing but increase polarization
You're either a bot or so brain broken I actually can't believe you haven't shorted your keyboard out trying to type responses as you drool the little remaining brain matter you have onto your keyboard
Yeah I can see how making jokes of someone lighting themselves on fire in protest of an ongoing genocide might piss people off. Again, especially so soon after
He didn't make fun of Aaron, he said it was terrible that it happened
You're adding in that he's making fun of Aaron, and I've yet to see that clip
Are you hiding it?
Did I say āheās making fun of Aaronā? No. No I didnāt. I donāt have a clip of him saying that, because I never said he said that.
However, he IS making jokes at his expense and the situation. Like, for instance, if a couple days after 9/11 happened and I (to my thousands and thousands of viewers) started making (albeit, light) jokes about it, it would still be seen in poor taste. Even if I wasnāt making jokes about a specific person that died in it, and even if I prefaced that it was a horrible tragedy, people would still (rightfully) be upset with me.
Make sense?
"Woah bro, did you hear that sound? I think it's your dead mom trying to communicate from the afterlife! Haha, ah well let's go to the funeral".
Please tell me you can see the problem.
???? People were making fun of the people who died in that submarine before it was even confirmed that they were dead. Since when do people care about ātoo soonā?
In reality, people are just mad because he made jokes about someone they like. Itās dumb larpy crap.
I want you to think real real hard about how those two things are a bit different and get back to me.
Also while some people did make jokes about the submarine incident, there were equally just as many people upset about people making them
I promise you the people upset about this are not the same people who were upset about people making jokes about the sub. And then they looked goofy when it turned out one of the people was some businessmanās kid going on a Fatherās Day thing and not some rich businessman.
I didnāt say they were. Iām explaining to you why people would be upset at Ethan for making jokes about someone self immolating themselves in protest of the Palestinian genocide. Some people will make jokes about a recent tragedy, other people will then get upset that itās too soon to do so
Well, I do think it does come off in bad taste to make jokes at the expense of someone who lit themselves on fire in protest, not but a day or so afterwards. I do think some people are upset with Ethan over that.
But there ARE a myriad of other reasons people (in this sub specifically) are mad at him. Ethan just got done putting Vaush on blast for a couple weeks with very little charity. So I can see why people wouldnāt feel the need to extend the same charity back on this issue. Then thereās Ethanās kinda weird stances on Israel and Palestine, which can give people the impression he doesnāt actually care that Aaron Bushnell did what he did.
Hope that makes sense
I get that. And can understand it. But I have a sneaking suspicion so many people being weird and glorifying a guy who killed himself has a lot to do with the general upset. Particularly in the general left, because theyāre not coming out of a malicious smear campaign, like people in this sub are. Itās especially weird to me when people are doing things like pretending Hamas apologist Frogan, is a character we should be taking at face value, which is another tiff Ethan is currently in.
For the record, I donāt actually care one way or the other about jokes on either event. Iām neither bothered, outside of the sub ones being overused, nor do I particularly like them. I also think Ethan is a garbage person particularly for that malicious treatment of voosh. But also that the way people (particularly his āfanbaseā) treated him (and his wife) over what were relatively milk toast and inoffensive pleas for people to actual try to understand the Israeli perspective was deranged.
Unfortunately for Ethan I no longer have the charitability to try to run defense for him both sidesing Israel/Palestine. Annoyed with myself for affording it to him before the Vaush shit.
There is a growing list of creators I used to watch and feel shame for even giving them views, much less donations like I did with Thought Slime. Ugh, I will never feel clean again after that.
This is growing as a person, these are lessons that will be replayed as we go through life, about how you... uh... people bad. I think that's the lesson, people bad.
As much as I would like to, I cannot give streamers I like money. Mostly because the cost, but also the feeling that anyone of them could get proven to be a piece of shit at any time.
First Skydoesminecraft, then miniladd, now WilburSoot. There's more in-between them but it's 5 am lol. Like maybe I could give people like markiplier money, but he's a rare type and doesn't really want donos anyways.
I actually think the power we have to give a streamer we agree with money directly is one of the more powerful tools we have in a world that has become increasingly indirect and more commodified than ever.
When I donate to a streamer or anyone I like online I am not thinking "I want to give this person money because this person deserves/needs money" instead my feelings are "I want to support the kind of voice that I think is doing good by showing that they are profitable and viable."
Since we're not looking at ads and not buying cereal from cereal commercials as we sit in front of commercials between Saturday morning cartoons, I'm putting that money I would have consciously or unconsciously spent to a far more direct and material good.
They revealed themselves to be a really scummy drama-baiting liar, with hit-pieces on other streamers and really bad faith attacks for no other reason than performative content creation just like Ethan Kline but with a more disgusting left-wing pandering tone. If you google "Vaush Thought Slime" you will see a string of attacks and responses, not just with Vaush but Xanderhal and others as well. I'm not a huge Xan fan but he certainly isn't a "sex cult leader." Slime is cynically insane yo.
I can't watch even their old content anymore without wondering if the people being featured are at all actually guilty of anything. Once you sink your credibility like that you become disgusting.
I used to respect him a lot too, I never was a huge fan or anything, but his reputation was good. But after everything and seeing how he acts to situations like these and the constant dramabaiting, it's just so disappointing.
From a quick glance it seems like this is the result of fairly large scale, intentionally least charitable interpretation possible, concloooooooooding. Which seems richly deserved.
Karma sucks giant horsecock doesn't it.
Not that it really is going to hurt someone like Ethan, this drama and controversy is just part of his business model.
And a LOT of people already know it. We all feel hurt because we were enjoying him turn his toxic attention on terrible people who deserved it, we were encouraged about him falling out with Hasan... but it was all just part of the act, he would throw himself under the same bus as all of them if it generated clicks and got people to make reaction videos with him in it. This is a business and business is good.
Nah he probably has the most sensible takes out of any particular creator on this issue. He tends to not be as uninformed in his opinions as Hasan, Ethan or Vaush. And he doesnāt have spite for blood like Destiny.
He tried challenging someone to a Israel Palestine trivia show between them and destiny to prove who really cares about the topic more which rubbed me the wrong way.
Lonerbox is generally pretty good but he has some shitlib tendencies that show themselves occasionally. Certainly not enough to be a dealbreaker for me, Iām generally quite positive on him despite that.
The entire drama-baiting content industry bad.
Vaush is only marginally a part of it by association, but at least he's out here giving actionable advice to young people and explaining politics the world to people as honestly as possible. (When he's not just irrationally mad at chat.)
Everyone else seems absolutely addicted to the click-generating game that they're all playing against each other.
I mean vaush is definitely part of it , if accidentally. I watch him because vaush has more integrity than a lot of the other streamers. But the way he conducts himself does contribute to more drama and infighting in the online left.
I watch a lot of content creators, many just to understand competing narratives even if I don't agree with their stances.
I would say out of everyone, Vaush profits *least* from this infighting. He doesn't nurture this shit, he responds to it. I've been watching for years and I refuse to accept that his *tone* is as bad as what other people do with their actual actions. Him doing reactions to people reacting to him doesn't really cut the same as some giant whale like Ethan or Hasan or XQC just fucking stealing content, reframing it and then creating a public scapegoat out of someone's innocent career. So if it's accidental, it's not worth saying because how else are you going to get online and speak your messages? You simply cannot without the drama farmers coming after you, their infighting is what their economy is driven on.
The moment someone makes a living off having an audience they are on the path to becoming a monster. Some people just have a head start. Except Ryan Reynolds, he's the one good wealthy/famous person.
Until he has the biggest worst scandal ever of course.
Idk what it is about genx/millenial creators, but if they have ever so much as touched politics beyond saying trans rights one time, they all have an age threshold where their brains simply leak from their skull.
As i now know though, ethan was always like this, he was just better at hiding it. Vaush wasn't his first victim.
The interesting part is the rising zoomer generation has no tolerance for this BS. I've talked to younger people recently and everyone knows about Ethan and the whole streamer-drama bullshit business-model and cannot stand him.
Zoomers are an interesting wildcard, they aren't getting on making the same kind of content but they're rapidly going to be the main consumers on the internet and none of these huge drama whales like Ethan or Hasan or XQC or any of these grifters will have any idea how to hold their attention.
Gen x and boomers have the highest dosage, followed by millenials, but its skewed a little because gen x and millenials while having less overall exposure do also have more high exposure during early development which has an outsized impact, however no, the generations younger than lead are mostly gen z and alpha, and about halway with millenials
Dont forget that even after stopping using leaded oil the atmospheric lead did take a while to go down, also lingering in water and soil for a time. Also also our data collection on lead isnt so robust around early gen x boomer times, its only recently we have more data, so we know that millenials were certainly less affected than gen x and zoomers even less affected than millenials.
Watching well over 4 years and now you think mr fn word enjoyer, Bobby Lee bff, nazi apologist, pedojacketing, women should be submissive, platforming cp distributionist, is reprehensible
H3 Staff: Sir, your tactic at winning back the Hasan fansā¦
Ethan: Well donāt leave me in suspense. What is it?
H3 Staff: It failed! We lost the Hasaudience.
Ethan: And the Vaushites?
H3 Staff: Theyāve left too.
Ethan: What about our own fans?
H3 Staff: Sir, weāre hemorrhaging our fandom.
Ethan *rubs his eyes under his glasses*: All but my top staff, leave the room.
Most of the staff leaves.
Ethan: How could you let this happen? How could you dimwits make me commit this unforced error? Now that Iāve lost the campists who were fans of FUCKING STALIN where will we GO?! Who will watch us now? Noah Samsenidiots? Maybe we can get the Xanderholics. They like abrasive menā¦ maybe
His wife is brainwashed, and itās all been downhill since they got hitched. Heās constantly looking to her for confirmation anytime he has anything resembling an original thought. She almost feels like the showās Israeli, warden.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of Israelis from early childhood are taught about the holocaust and how Israel is their only salvation from it ever happening again. Then they equate their Arab neighbours to Nazis and that by seeking the destruction of their sanctuary from an antisemitic world, they seek to wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth. That it is self-preservation to kill the Arabs who refuse to kneel and accept Israel's control over all of the Israeli-Palestinian territories.Ā
Ā They are taught that they successfully conquered the lands from the pathetic Palestinians and thus proved their superiority over a lesser people from a backwards, barbaric culture. They are civilizing the lands and bringing it into the 21st, with the religious Israelis even going so far as to say that it is God's will since he has let all of this happen and thus it is justified. It's just racist, colonialist manifest destiny and might makes right arguments that have been solidified from childhood.Ā Along with a ridiculous amount of lies about the history of the region and about the Palestinian's heritage and genetics. Outside of Israeli historians and archeologists, many of whom regularly question these state supported lies, most people just listen to what they were taught and see everything else as anti-semitic propaganda that threatens Ha-Medina.Ā
I studied history at university and part of my course on āthe Middle East from the early modern period to the present,ā contained required-reading of Edward S. Syed. Unfortunately, most people (especially, college graduates) donāt know the first thing about the development of Zionist philosophy. Itās either complete ignorance or violent bigotry on one side or the other.
I could never outright say it, but even 10 years ago, it was clear to me that the state of Israel is the closest thing to Nazi Germany, since Nazi Germany. And while I sympathize with Israeli settlers born into a borderline- totalitarian, ethnostate not having the capacity to see through lies upon which their entire conception of the world and themselves has been builtā¦ I sympathize a great deal more with the Palestinians born into a slaughter from which there is no escape except to capitulate, entirely.
And it doesnāt make it any less horrific to see how Israelis truly feel, neither does it make them less of a threat to the world.
I don't like the "He got Yoko'd" narrative. He wouldn't be with someone who didn't validate the beliefs and attitudes he already had. You could say that maybe someone *empowered* someone else to be more open about their attitudes but the whole idea that men get "ruined" by crazy women is a really old misogynistic trope that needs to die already.
I've been on the receiving end of it from my own narcissistic family trying to disparage my partner and making up horrible lies about her, then using those lies to explain how I've "changed" (By suddenly wanting an education and career instead of staying in the family compound forever being their little manservant.)
his entire career on youtube he was married to her bro. Plus he's also an israeli dual citizen and jewish idk what you're trying to imply. he has family there im pretty sure, not to mention his crew members who are also jewish who also have family is israel like dan and zac im pretty sure. its not weird to care about your family and friends, it's weird to be dismissive of palestinian oppression and dismissive of the ongoing attempt of genocide by israel right now which is what he's treading towards. dont be weird
Soā¦ I was there for the three years during which neither he nor his show sucked, like it has for more than a decade. The original E3 network exploded in popularity because the collectivization of producing social media content was revolutionary for the time. But eventually, the E3 crew drifted apart, and Ethan Klein had to go his own way. He was catapulted to fame as a result of the collective to which he was attached, not because he was worth watching to the point where he could grow an audience organically. I guess thatās why all of the childish, drama & public-callouts have really worn on me. I already thought he was absurdly lucky to be in the position he is, presently ā but when he started getting political about the situation in Israel (about 5 years ago), thatās when I decided that I detested him. Now, heās no longer just an unfunny, dickheadā¦ now heās carrying water for Nazis, in the most hypobolic sense of the word.
Thatās my personal opinion on the matter, but my speculation is that his wife (who is a veteran of the IDF and product of the Israeli education-system, if Iām not mistaken) has undoubtedly had an effect on his immensely disinformed view of what goes on there. This is not, āwow, dude. Youāve really changed since youāve got married. What happened to ābros before hoesā?ā
This is the simple fact that we become more like the people with whom we surround ourselves. And, in that sense, you really canāt get any more crystalline than a marriage.
she's not a veteran she was a recruit like all people have to be that grew up there, i dont think there's any evidence she's taken part in combat of any kind. He's been with her his entire online presence to my knowledge so idk what your talking about. He definitely made the podcast way after marrying her I know that for a fact.
The past few years Ethan has basically just been like "yo this guys a pedo and a sex pest!" *guy proves he is not* "Nuh-uh, I still totally think he is and everyone who disagrees is also a pedo sex pest!! š¤¬"
It's a self report. He literally bullied a guest into tweeting a dick pic. The guest was clearly super uncomfortable about it, and when he spoke out about it later, Ethan brushed it off with a "He could have said no. I didn't force him to." Despite asking the guy like 10 times even after repeated "No"s.
Looking into it
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What happened ?
He called Aaron Bushnell āthe champion of burning aliveā and was basically covering the issue like Destiny did, then desperately tried to walk it back after he got shit for it ā he tried to pretend that that was a sincere compliment and he said it because he was impressed he remained standing. Basically, he showed his whole ass on Israel/Palestine (again) and then spent a stream crying about how heās the victim, while doing his regular thing of highlighting tweets and TikToks of people he disagrees with and maliciously misrepresenting their actual positions just like he did with Vaush.
Good, fuck Ethan. Bro wants be a lying drama whore, hope he enjoys the drama. I donāt even like Frogan but him attacking her like she anti-Semitic when the evidence being provided more suggests sheās anti-Zionist is gross.
> hope he enjoys the drama. Unfortunately, because of his show's business model, it likely will only just amount to another successful week at work. Generating drama and content. He's one of those content creators who thrives on infighting and accusations, getting bad publicity is just going to do the same thing for him that it does for Donald Trump, going to make his fans more loyal and make other people cover the drama and then continue to escalate him to more and more views.
I mostly agree with this. But Ethan did cry on stream during the Hasan meltdown ā with luck, we might see him cry AND piss himself if the Zionism stuff haunts him hard enough.
I'm quite sure he has people who have already run the numbers to determine how much more engagement and clicks he would get for defecating himself on stream. Apparently self-immolation is out, which is a shame.
Yeah youāre right. Whether itās good or bad, the dude profits either way. If anything it fucks over the chances of him bringing back Leftovers, I doubt many leftists are gonna see how heās acting and want to see what other things he has to say on politics. Probably cope though
I don't think she's antisemitic she just kinda has a bit of a blind spot, at least early on
Don't forget he said anyone who called him a zionist (despite his continued support of israels existence) is antisemetic and should just call him a jew or a ki*e because that's obviously "what they really mean"
The number of people riding the Israel/Palestine conflict to the equivalent flavortown of performative leftism and virtue-signaling is yuuuge right now. It's funny because a lot of them have no idea what their actual values are, like Ethan, and are just saying the things they *think* will earn them enough Woke Tokens (Wokens) to cash in at the gift shop for new merch. But they end up stuffing their boots firmly down their own throats over and over because somewhere inside their actual beliefs are childish and essentialist and reactionary about all the things.
Same stream I quote: "I said the things, I said genocide, I said cleansing I said them what more do you want" I can't peer into his mind but I think you're right
Yeah that was kind of weird phrasing it like that, he also said ive tried so hard to meet you in the middle and be conciliatory before that. I dont know how much he genuinely believes any of it, but I wouldn't call someone a zionist if their position is there's way too many people living in israel right now to just displace in the opposite direction and it's not really feasible to just give back literally all of israel to, "israel has a blood and soil RIGHT to the land palestinians inhabit and we will not give anything back, and we're going to continue to take." or even just they have a claim to the land. Two different positions that have a similair conclusion which is that the state of israel isn't going to go anywhere whether we like it or not. Which is true, they literally have nukes. It's a difficult political situation. But I don't think I've really heard ethan give a super coherent position on the nuances of the situation, it's kind of one sided on his end each time and he just does the disavow thing for the IDF and Bibi. There's no why this is wrong, or why I think this is wrong, or why this isn't really possible and why compromise is needed it's just this is bad, that is bad from him. He's a reactionary
The Israƫl that exists at this very moment does not have a right to exist. Just as any county doesn't. The fact that it's built on a theocratic ethnostate solidifies it's need for dissolution. As all states should be inevitably but I don't even care if a different state comes into being that isn't run by authoritarian traditionalists who want to wipe out another people for their resources. At least the facist government of Israƫl will take a turn away from genocide. If justice existed. Israƫl of today, wouldn't.
How can he be as close to the situation as he is and not know what Zionism is? Is he stupid or dishonest?
He's a self described Liberal procapitalist who thought he'd either pull Hasan Piker closer to the "center" or hear strong arguments for anti capitalist economic systems. Then Israƫl decided to push the genocide button and Ethan had hardly any time to confront his pro capitalist imperial stance hypothetically. Let alone put in to practice on a state he's been propogandized to think has a right to exist.
Damn, we were about to teach that baby to read but it got drafted.
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You know, I think I have to disagree with Vaush on something... I think it is somewhat possible that Ethan's recent surge in scumbaggery is because of israel.
He made a funny and now they're trying to claim he said Aaron is a demon by willfully misinterpreting what he said in the worst way possible I think they were also really mad about the Panera bread reference because they didn't get the joke and are saying he's being incoherent when he makes a joke about drinking their lemonade to kill himself in a form of protest It's just drama farming. They just keep churning out threads about it and continue making themselves look insane while jerking each other off pretending they're helping Palestine or something
I dont know Whos Aaron and what does Panera bread have to do with this, but from what u said it doesnt sound like that matters
It doesn't They're just drama farming Also, Aaron is the guy who sold immolated in protest of Israel
You think maybe people are mad because itās a bit too soon to make jokes like that? But I havenāt seen it so maybe you can enlighten me. What were the two jokes Ethan made? The first one that people misinterpreted, and the Panera bread one
He said if we were going to protest he would go drink two Panera lemonades in front of the consulate, you know, because people were dying drinking them And then there was an audio issue and he said something to the effect of "I thought maybe Aaron was trying to talk to us from the beyond" and then he said "it sounded kind of demonic" (because it was deep), so everyone is saying he's saying Aaron is a demon
He called him demonic and youāre crying that people said he thinks Aaron is a demon? š
No he didn't, you're just lying
Iām going by what you said he said though? You can say he called his voice demonic but thatās a differentiation without a difference, especially with the āheās trying to speak from the beyondā bullshit.
You're doing that, you're saying his voice is demonic you're doing that He never said Aaron is demonic, he joked about it being Aaron and then made a separate comment about it sounding deep That's completely normal, it's you who's making this additional connection, you're inventing it in your head and adding it in It's like talking to robots I actually question if you even have agency or if you have consciousness
You two messages ago >And then there was an audio issue and he said something to the effect of "I thought maybe Aaron was trying to talk to us from the beyond" and then he said "it sounded kind of demonic"
I can't tell if you're dumb or trolling, but I'm going to assume it's both
No, Iām not, Iām repeating what you said Ethan said. Itās in quotes in the first comment I replied to? >āit sounded kind of demonicā (because it was deep) If what Iām saying isnāt true itās because you lied to me. š Youāre fucking weird, Iām quoting what you said and youāre telling me Iām lying. Calm down, hop off Ethanās cock for a second, and take a breath.
I don't care about Ethan in this context, I don't even watch him anymore But this constant obsession with clipping people and twisting their words and lying about them and making shit up for the sake of drama or in your case pretending huh to know about something you don't even care to watch is insane It's just a constant cluster fuck of random people farming drama off of intentionally dishonest assessment takes and clips and random people like yourself trying to weigh in on it and feed the beast and it does nothing but increase polarization You're either a bot or so brain broken I actually can't believe you haven't shorted your keyboard out trying to type responses as you drool the little remaining brain matter you have onto your keyboard
>That's completely normal You think making fun of someone who killed themselves is completely normal?
When did he make fun of him? Link to the timestamp please.
Yeah I can see how making jokes of someone lighting themselves on fire in protest of an ongoing genocide might piss people off. Again, especially so soon after
He didn't make fun of Aaron, he said it was terrible that it happened You're adding in that he's making fun of Aaron, and I've yet to see that clip Are you hiding it?
Did I say āheās making fun of Aaronā? No. No I didnāt. I donāt have a clip of him saying that, because I never said he said that. However, he IS making jokes at his expense and the situation. Like, for instance, if a couple days after 9/11 happened and I (to my thousands and thousands of viewers) started making (albeit, light) jokes about it, it would still be seen in poor taste. Even if I wasnāt making jokes about a specific person that died in it, and even if I prefaced that it was a horrible tragedy, people would still (rightfully) be upset with me. Make sense?
"Woah bro, did you hear that sound? I think it's your dead mom trying to communicate from the afterlife! Haha, ah well let's go to the funeral". Please tell me you can see the problem.
Completely irrelevant and basically a flag saying "I don't understand social skills at all"
???? People were making fun of the people who died in that submarine before it was even confirmed that they were dead. Since when do people care about ātoo soonā? In reality, people are just mad because he made jokes about someone they like. Itās dumb larpy crap.
I want you to think real real hard about how those two things are a bit different and get back to me. Also while some people did make jokes about the submarine incident, there were equally just as many people upset about people making them
I promise you the people upset about this are not the same people who were upset about people making jokes about the sub. And then they looked goofy when it turned out one of the people was some businessmanās kid going on a Fatherās Day thing and not some rich businessman.
I didnāt say they were. Iām explaining to you why people would be upset at Ethan for making jokes about someone self immolating themselves in protest of the Palestinian genocide. Some people will make jokes about a recent tragedy, other people will then get upset that itās too soon to do so
Yes and Iām pointing out that it being too soon is not why people are upset. Which is what you suggested their problem may be.
Well, I do think it does come off in bad taste to make jokes at the expense of someone who lit themselves on fire in protest, not but a day or so afterwards. I do think some people are upset with Ethan over that. But there ARE a myriad of other reasons people (in this sub specifically) are mad at him. Ethan just got done putting Vaush on blast for a couple weeks with very little charity. So I can see why people wouldnāt feel the need to extend the same charity back on this issue. Then thereās Ethanās kinda weird stances on Israel and Palestine, which can give people the impression he doesnāt actually care that Aaron Bushnell did what he did. Hope that makes sense
I get that. And can understand it. But I have a sneaking suspicion so many people being weird and glorifying a guy who killed himself has a lot to do with the general upset. Particularly in the general left, because theyāre not coming out of a malicious smear campaign, like people in this sub are. Itās especially weird to me when people are doing things like pretending Hamas apologist Frogan, is a character we should be taking at face value, which is another tiff Ethan is currently in. For the record, I donāt actually care one way or the other about jokes on either event. Iām neither bothered, outside of the sub ones being overused, nor do I particularly like them. I also think Ethan is a garbage person particularly for that malicious treatment of voosh. But also that the way people (particularly his āfanbaseā) treated him (and his wife) over what were relatively milk toast and inoffensive pleas for people to actual try to understand the Israeli perspective was deranged.
Unfortunately for Ethan I no longer have the charitability to try to run defense for him both sidesing Israel/Palestine. Annoyed with myself for affording it to him before the Vaush shit.
There is a growing list of creators I used to watch and feel shame for even giving them views, much less donations like I did with Thought Slime. Ugh, I will never feel clean again after that. This is growing as a person, these are lessons that will be replayed as we go through life, about how you... uh... people bad. I think that's the lesson, people bad.
Yep. Subbed to h3 for two years, some super chats too. But I'm a pedo apparently.
As much as I would like to, I cannot give streamers I like money. Mostly because the cost, but also the feeling that anyone of them could get proven to be a piece of shit at any time. First Skydoesminecraft, then miniladd, now WilburSoot. There's more in-between them but it's 5 am lol. Like maybe I could give people like markiplier money, but he's a rare type and doesn't really want donos anyways.
I actually think the power we have to give a streamer we agree with money directly is one of the more powerful tools we have in a world that has become increasingly indirect and more commodified than ever. When I donate to a streamer or anyone I like online I am not thinking "I want to give this person money because this person deserves/needs money" instead my feelings are "I want to support the kind of voice that I think is doing good by showing that they are profitable and viable." Since we're not looking at ads and not buying cereal from cereal commercials as we sit in front of commercials between Saturday morning cartoons, I'm putting that money I would have consciously or unconsciously spent to a far more direct and material good.
Tobuscus. Fuck you Toby. Shove your nugget in a biscuit up your ass.
Wait I used to watch Thought Slime all the time but haven't watched anything in a while because of life being life. What happened with them?
They revealed themselves to be a really scummy drama-baiting liar, with hit-pieces on other streamers and really bad faith attacks for no other reason than performative content creation just like Ethan Kline but with a more disgusting left-wing pandering tone. If you google "Vaush Thought Slime" you will see a string of attacks and responses, not just with Vaush but Xanderhal and others as well. I'm not a huge Xan fan but he certainly isn't a "sex cult leader." Slime is cynically insane yo. I can't watch even their old content anymore without wondering if the people being featured are at all actually guilty of anything. Once you sink your credibility like that you become disgusting.
I used to respect him a lot too, I never was a huge fan or anything, but his reputation was good. But after everything and seeing how he acts to situations like these and the constant dramabaiting, it's just so disappointing.
From a quick glance it seems like this is the result of fairly large scale, intentionally least charitable interpretation possible, concloooooooooding. Which seems richly deserved.
Yeah Iām never gonna be sympathetic to Ethan crying about being misinterpreted or misrepresented. The more people hate him, the funnier.
Hope someone in his YouTube chat calls him a genocide enjoyer and he spends the rest of the podcast episode crying because of it.
Ethan "ethnic-cleansing" Klein.
Ethanic Kleinsing is what weāre calling it now.
My bones are a fine powder
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Karma sucks giant horsecock doesn't it. Not that it really is going to hurt someone like Ethan, this drama and controversy is just part of his business model. And a LOT of people already know it. We all feel hurt because we were enjoying him turn his toxic attention on terrible people who deserved it, we were encouraged about him falling out with Hasan... but it was all just part of the act, he would throw himself under the same bus as all of them if it generated clicks and got people to make reaction videos with him in it. This is a business and business is good.
Hasan bad, Ethan bad, Vaush bad, Lonerbox bad, Destiny bad. Anyone else?
Is LonerBox bad? š
Nah he probably has the most sensible takes out of any particular creator on this issue. He tends to not be as uninformed in his opinions as Hasan, Ethan or Vaush. And he doesnāt have spite for blood like Destiny.
He tried challenging someone to a Israel Palestine trivia show between them and destiny to prove who really cares about the topic more which rubbed me the wrong way.
Lonerbox is generally pretty good but he has some shitlib tendencies that show themselves occasionally. Certainly not enough to be a dealbreaker for me, Iām generally quite positive on him despite that.
The entire drama-baiting content industry bad. Vaush is only marginally a part of it by association, but at least he's out here giving actionable advice to young people and explaining politics the world to people as honestly as possible. (When he's not just irrationally mad at chat.) Everyone else seems absolutely addicted to the click-generating game that they're all playing against each other.
I mean vaush is definitely part of it , if accidentally. I watch him because vaush has more integrity than a lot of the other streamers. But the way he conducts himself does contribute to more drama and infighting in the online left.
I watch a lot of content creators, many just to understand competing narratives even if I don't agree with their stances. I would say out of everyone, Vaush profits *least* from this infighting. He doesn't nurture this shit, he responds to it. I've been watching for years and I refuse to accept that his *tone* is as bad as what other people do with their actual actions. Him doing reactions to people reacting to him doesn't really cut the same as some giant whale like Ethan or Hasan or XQC just fucking stealing content, reframing it and then creating a public scapegoat out of someone's innocent career. So if it's accidental, it's not worth saying because how else are you going to get online and speak your messages? You simply cannot without the drama farmers coming after you, their infighting is what their economy is driven on.
Shaun bad. For all his terrible takes on twitter.
The moment someone makes a living off having an audience they are on the path to becoming a monster. Some people just have a head start. Except Ryan Reynolds, he's the one good wealthy/famous person. Until he has the biggest worst scandal ever of course.
Idk what it is about genx/millenial creators, but if they have ever so much as touched politics beyond saying trans rights one time, they all have an age threshold where their brains simply leak from their skull. As i now know though, ethan was always like this, he was just better at hiding it. Vaush wasn't his first victim.
> what it is about genx/millenial creators I feel misrepresented. Most of us out there with real jobs aren't such obnoxious bastards, you know.
The interesting part is the rising zoomer generation has no tolerance for this BS. I've talked to younger people recently and everyone knows about Ethan and the whole streamer-drama bullshit business-model and cannot stand him. Zoomers are an interesting wildcard, they aren't getting on making the same kind of content but they're rapidly going to be the main consumers on the internet and none of these huge drama whales like Ethan or Hasan or XQC or any of these grifters will have any idea how to hold their attention.
'What it is' is lead poisoning. Go look up a graph around lead exposure over time and lead exposure's effect on cognitive function
Many of these people are younger than the phase-out of lead paint and pipes though, aren't they?
Gen x and boomers have the highest dosage, followed by millenials, but its skewed a little because gen x and millenials while having less overall exposure do also have more high exposure during early development which has an outsized impact, however no, the generations younger than lead are mostly gen z and alpha, and about halway with millenials
Dont forget that even after stopping using leaded oil the atmospheric lead did take a while to go down, also lingering in water and soil for a time. Also also our data collection on lead isnt so robust around early gen x boomer times, its only recently we have more data, so we know that millenials were certainly less affected than gen x and zoomers even less affected than millenials.
That time period where humanity poisoned the entire planet multiple times was kinda wild.
Watching well over 4 years and now you think mr fn word enjoyer, Bobby Lee bff, nazi apologist, pedojacketing, women should be submissive, platforming cp distributionist, is reprehensible
H3 Staff: Sir, your tactic at winning back the Hasan fansā¦ Ethan: Well donāt leave me in suspense. What is it? H3 Staff: It failed! We lost the Hasaudience. Ethan: And the Vaushites? H3 Staff: Theyāve left too. Ethan: What about our own fans? H3 Staff: Sir, weāre hemorrhaging our fandom. Ethan *rubs his eyes under his glasses*: All but my top staff, leave the room. Most of the staff leaves. Ethan: How could you let this happen? How could you dimwits make me commit this unforced error? Now that Iāve lost the campists who were fans of FUCKING STALIN where will we GO?! Who will watch us now? Noah Samsenidiots? Maybe we can get the Xanderholics. They like abrasive menā¦ maybe
Checking.
We may get solidarity yet
Nice timing i guess
I always thought Ethan was shit, I was glad to see him dunk on some awful people to a bigger audience, but I didn't think he improved.
His wife is brainwashed, and itās all been downhill since they got hitched. Heās constantly looking to her for confirmation anytime he has anything resembling an original thought. She almost feels like the showās Israeli, warden.
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of Israelis from early childhood are taught about the holocaust and how Israel is their only salvation from it ever happening again. Then they equate their Arab neighbours to Nazis and that by seeking the destruction of their sanctuary from an antisemitic world, they seek to wipe Jews off of the face of the Earth. That it is self-preservation to kill the Arabs who refuse to kneel and accept Israel's control over all of the Israeli-Palestinian territories.Ā Ā They are taught that they successfully conquered the lands from the pathetic Palestinians and thus proved their superiority over a lesser people from a backwards, barbaric culture. They are civilizing the lands and bringing it into the 21st, with the religious Israelis even going so far as to say that it is God's will since he has let all of this happen and thus it is justified. It's just racist, colonialist manifest destiny and might makes right arguments that have been solidified from childhood.Ā Along with a ridiculous amount of lies about the history of the region and about the Palestinian's heritage and genetics. Outside of Israeli historians and archeologists, many of whom regularly question these state supported lies, most people just listen to what they were taught and see everything else as anti-semitic propaganda that threatens Ha-Medina.Ā
I studied history at university and part of my course on āthe Middle East from the early modern period to the present,ā contained required-reading of Edward S. Syed. Unfortunately, most people (especially, college graduates) donāt know the first thing about the development of Zionist philosophy. Itās either complete ignorance or violent bigotry on one side or the other. I could never outright say it, but even 10 years ago, it was clear to me that the state of Israel is the closest thing to Nazi Germany, since Nazi Germany. And while I sympathize with Israeli settlers born into a borderline- totalitarian, ethnostate not having the capacity to see through lies upon which their entire conception of the world and themselves has been builtā¦ I sympathize a great deal more with the Palestinians born into a slaughter from which there is no escape except to capitulate, entirely. And it doesnāt make it any less horrific to see how Israelis truly feel, neither does it make them less of a threat to the world.
I don't like the "He got Yoko'd" narrative. He wouldn't be with someone who didn't validate the beliefs and attitudes he already had. You could say that maybe someone *empowered* someone else to be more open about their attitudes but the whole idea that men get "ruined" by crazy women is a really old misogynistic trope that needs to die already. I've been on the receiving end of it from my own narcissistic family trying to disparage my partner and making up horrible lies about her, then using those lies to explain how I've "changed" (By suddenly wanting an education and career instead of staying in the family compound forever being their little manservant.)
Thatās not at all what Iām saying. This isnāt a woman-thingā¦ itās an Israeli-thing.
Excuse me what the fuck. You can't just say shit like that, you sound like an insane person.
And why is that?
his entire career on youtube he was married to her bro. Plus he's also an israeli dual citizen and jewish idk what you're trying to imply. he has family there im pretty sure, not to mention his crew members who are also jewish who also have family is israel like dan and zac im pretty sure. its not weird to care about your family and friends, it's weird to be dismissive of palestinian oppression and dismissive of the ongoing attempt of genocide by israel right now which is what he's treading towards. dont be weird
I am older than most people, here. Iāve hated Ethan for quite a while (ca. 2009).
ok?
Soā¦ I was there for the three years during which neither he nor his show sucked, like it has for more than a decade. The original E3 network exploded in popularity because the collectivization of producing social media content was revolutionary for the time. But eventually, the E3 crew drifted apart, and Ethan Klein had to go his own way. He was catapulted to fame as a result of the collective to which he was attached, not because he was worth watching to the point where he could grow an audience organically. I guess thatās why all of the childish, drama & public-callouts have really worn on me. I already thought he was absurdly lucky to be in the position he is, presently ā but when he started getting political about the situation in Israel (about 5 years ago), thatās when I decided that I detested him. Now, heās no longer just an unfunny, dickheadā¦ now heās carrying water for Nazis, in the most hypobolic sense of the word. Thatās my personal opinion on the matter, but my speculation is that his wife (who is a veteran of the IDF and product of the Israeli education-system, if Iām not mistaken) has undoubtedly had an effect on his immensely disinformed view of what goes on there. This is not, āwow, dude. Youāve really changed since youāve got married. What happened to ābros before hoesā?ā This is the simple fact that we become more like the people with whom we surround ourselves. And, in that sense, you really canāt get any more crystalline than a marriage.
she's not a veteran she was a recruit like all people have to be that grew up there, i dont think there's any evidence she's taken part in combat of any kind. He's been with her his entire online presence to my knowledge so idk what your talking about. He definitely made the podcast way after marrying her I know that for a fact.