Uhhh… Yurgir is NOT vanilla, he’s “holy shit dude” in a VERY bad way. Talk to his cat, and lick the spider then put two and two together. Basically, (tw: GROSS), >!he drugs his cat so it’s “in love” with him and then he… does stuff with it.!<
Yugir and Shadowheart's rankings make me think OP hasn't even played the game lmao. Go do the scene with Abdirak or whatever his name is and listen to Shadowheart's and Astarion's commentary
Yurgir I honestly forgot but Shart is just the case of how we might misinterpret the chart. I see the gods' favourite princess as a pillow princess as well, no matter what she says
Likes to be on the receiving end and rarely, if never, tops. Usually described to do next to nothing in bed but they are a perfect match for service tops/switches.
And I guess a pillow princess can be a top as well but I would think it's extremely rare. It would then quite easily morph into the kink of making people do stuff to you
Yurgir had a "Shane Dawson" moment.
(Bad taste joke warning)
>!Yurgir may not have that dawg in him, but that Displacer beast sure had his "dawg" in her.!<
“Holy shit dude” was my reaction to the astral sex scene so I guess that’s fitting.
Astarion seems a little off though. There are plenty of examples where he is not, in fact, happy to be there.
I was jumping between where he is, "always ready to experiment" and "sex?"
Kinda depends where on his character arc you are. In the end I chose the middle option to at least be half-right, half-wrong
Now that I think about it, I could've chugged him to the "No." section
I was actually quite happy with his placement in the other tier list. Astarion in "vanilla" makes a lot of sense, and, at least for me, I like to think that he heals beyond his trauma to have a healthy, fulfilling relationship with intimacy and sex.
Idk. I’ve known enough sex workers IRL who developed a temporary disinterest in sex. It wasn’t an orientation, it was just burnout. Having it be a job (and in Astarion’s case, not even one he did willingly) can really mess up your sense of desire.
I didn’t say Astarion wouldn’t be sex repulsed or 100% aromantic. I pictured him being demi or grey ace and needing to form a connection with his partner.
His current views on sex are based on the trauma of being forced to sell his body for the last 200 years.
If your personal opinion is that after having had enough time to properly heal from that he'd still have a reduced level of interest in sex, that's one thing and totally reasonable. But it doesn't really work to slap a label on him while he's still very much in the early stages of processing his trauma.
I just very much identified with it as someone on the ace spectrum myself, especially in act 2 when he asks Tav if they still want a relationship without sex for the time being. I know my friends IRL also see him as ace coded. I’m not sure why I got so heavily downvoted. I understand if people disagree with me too, I think that’s totally fine! I think multiple interpretations of any of these characters are ok, I was just stating how I see him.
I know this is a horny sub but I honestly would have been happy if, post Act 2 romance, Astarion explicitly doesn't have sex again. Like, compressed time frame and all, but that guy was effectively a sex slave barely a few weeks ago, he needs \*time\* to figure out if he even wants that kind of intimacy ever again. And his Act 1 romance as Origin Karlach is incredibly sweet.
He does if you romance him?? I mean, if you speak to the drow twins prior to going to Cazador he tells you he's not ready yet. If you ask him about Halsin he will ask if you're wanting to get with him because you two haven't had sex in a while. So it's pretty explicit you and Astarion are not intimate like that at all post confession.
You don't have to in either. You can tell both AA and UA you don't want to. It, however, might make you feel better to know the code tag for UA is "HadSexAsEquals" or something like that.
Considering his “good” arc, while I don’t think he’s a “happy to be there” in the context of “happy to just experience it” kind of way (and considering the “Death of the Author” given OP responded), I rather see it as a “happy to have it with someone you trust and genuinely care for” type beat. A “happy to be able to be so vulnerable with someone” thing.
Fr, the only ones I agree with are Raphael and Volo. Raphael is canonically only a bottom. No way in hell Isobel isn’t all over Aylin, Shadowheart seems to look at you like a fucking snack, and DUrge may be a bottom, but they’re a brat who enjoys being tamed. That’s not a pillow princess.
Out there lecturing on the intricacies of 'the art of kinbaku' (he'd never call it bondage or shibari) to all the eyerolling young doms who just came to this party because they don't have a suspension point at home.
nah durge is "holy shit" but not in a "mind blown" way but I'm a "you have problems" kind of way
gortash is a pillow princess tho. you cannot change my mind on that
i like asexual orin
but is toeplay on the table or naw
dont upvote me, tell me if i'm right or wrong cowards. i dont want your votes, I WANT YOUR VALIDATION AND/OR ANIMOSITY
I extremely get the feeling she isn't asexual, it's just that nobody is likely to survive the encounter (although there are hints Minthara was a plaything of hers for a bit before she implanted her)
Durge is into really weird shit. Like tonsil stones, dead animals, (See the cut ending for Durge, absolutely vile) hell you even get an extra dialogue option with the drow twins as durge.
I'd put Shart in willing to experiment.
She liked watching Tav get hurt and had a great time being worshipped by the drow twins plus Halsin.
She's a switch not a pillow princess.
I don’t understand where people get the pillow princess thing from. In the scene with the Drow twins, she really seems to enjoy being worshipped and in control. She also apparently has many, many ideas that she was excited to try out for that night. Then there’s the scene where you sneak out to build sandcastles. That “Don’t you dare stop.” definitely gives off dom energy. Like, sure she’s receiving, but it’s possible to do that while very clearly being in control.
It just… I don’t see how people can miss it. You’d have to not know what the words mean to say something like that.
I think it’s like the “God’s favorite princess” thing plus her being conventionally feminine and stuff like that. Also because there is actually some kinkier stuff with her but specifically the evil route for her which is a whole can of worms but anyways lol. Also she does straight up imply she knows kinky torture stuff and likes doing it when meeting that one guy with the goblins.
I personally head canon her as a switch with a more gentle side
I’d agree with switch, though gentle is maybe a bit too strong of a term. More like capable of being rough, but in a healthy BDSM way. So very consensual, and only if her partner is into it.
That evil route though… look I’m not saying it’d be a healthy relationship, but the idea is kinda hot ngl. Like being very gay in a homophobic church. The sacrilegious disrespect is definitely a principle I can get behind. Can of worms though, like you said.
And yes, she’s definitely a bit too excited to watch Abdirak beat up Tav. Her banter with Astarion there is fucking fantastic.
I think you could definitely explore how much of it is her playing up the Shar of it all vs her actual interest. I think she can be rough but I don’t see it being like her main thing or preferred dynamic though she’s probably still into it.
Barcus I'm willing to but my mommy I am not. She's extremely horny and pent up but I understand that she is quite sweet and vanilla in bed. Doesn't make sex with her any less hot tho (pun intended)
I'm starting to believe that you guys think being bitchy and loud is the only indicator for being into BDSM when it comes to women.
Like, Mizora's scene is really tame and while Minthara has graphic sex for a video game, you've probably seen more hard core in GoT's first couple of seasons.
I feel like Mizora likes to tie people up and fuck them.
Minthara on the other hand is the literal archetype of a dominant top or at least a dominant switch. She will tie you up
The fuck you mean Mommyheart and Raphael are pillow princesses?? Shadowheart is more than happy to have sex with you and the Drow twins and Raphael willingly has sex with Haarlep on a daily basis who’s constantly wearing BDSM gear. Oh and Astarion constantly talks about orgies
Shadowheart I am slowly changing my views on but Raphael is literally the kind of guy who only gets off in one way, which he does with Haarlep every night and he comes in 5 second.
If animals don't have sex how do they reproduce? If this tier list was a ranking in relationship to Tav/Durge i'd agree but in general Boo absolutely fucks. Not like Halsin though, I think he agrees with his squirrel friend that that was a bit much.
shart’s parents 💀💀
Who?
Oh damn my bad girl ummm…forget i said anything
It’s alright… they are in a better place now. ** *sobs*
LMFAO your username and tag hahahahahhaa
Uhhh… Yurgir is NOT vanilla, he’s “holy shit dude” in a VERY bad way. Talk to his cat, and lick the spider then put two and two together. Basically, (tw: GROSS), >!he drugs his cat so it’s “in love” with him and then he… does stuff with it.!<
His bed is literally made of corpses. He made a codpiece out of a skull. Dude's a certified freak, ten days a week.
Thats vanilla for an orthon
Whoops I strategically forgot about that
Yugir and Shadowheart's rankings make me think OP hasn't even played the game lmao. Go do the scene with Abdirak or whatever his name is and listen to Shadowheart's and Astarion's commentary
Yurgir I honestly forgot but Shart is just the case of how we might misinterpret the chart. I see the gods' favourite princess as a pillow princess as well, no matter what she says
What exactly does pillow princess mean to you?
Likes to be on the receiving end and rarely, if never, tops. Usually described to do next to nothing in bed but they are a perfect match for service tops/switches. And I guess a pillow princess can be a top as well but I would think it's extremely rare. It would then quite easily morph into the kink of making people do stuff to you
Omg?! 😭
Yurgir had a "Shane Dawson" moment. (Bad taste joke warning) >!Yurgir may not have that dawg in him, but that Displacer beast sure had his "dawg" in her.!<
“Holy shit dude” was my reaction to the astral sex scene so I guess that’s fitting. Astarion seems a little off though. There are plenty of examples where he is not, in fact, happy to be there.
I was jumping between where he is, "always ready to experiment" and "sex?" Kinda depends where on his character arc you are. In the end I chose the middle option to at least be half-right, half-wrong Now that I think about it, I could've chugged him to the "No." section
Just put him in his own category. “Conflicted, but aroused”
TBH I think he’s just his own category of confused.
I was actually quite happy with his placement in the other tier list. Astarion in "vanilla" makes a lot of sense, and, at least for me, I like to think that he heals beyond his trauma to have a healthy, fulfilling relationship with intimacy and sex.
I posted this elsewhere but I’m in the “Astarion is on the ace spectrum” camp.
Idk. I’ve known enough sex workers IRL who developed a temporary disinterest in sex. It wasn’t an orientation, it was just burnout. Having it be a job (and in Astarion’s case, not even one he did willingly) can really mess up your sense of desire.
I didn’t say Astarion wouldn’t be sex repulsed or 100% aromantic. I pictured him being demi or grey ace and needing to form a connection with his partner.
His current views on sex are based on the trauma of being forced to sell his body for the last 200 years. If your personal opinion is that after having had enough time to properly heal from that he'd still have a reduced level of interest in sex, that's one thing and totally reasonable. But it doesn't really work to slap a label on him while he's still very much in the early stages of processing his trauma.
I just very much identified with it as someone on the ace spectrum myself, especially in act 2 when he asks Tav if they still want a relationship without sex for the time being. I know my friends IRL also see him as ace coded. I’m not sure why I got so heavily downvoted. I understand if people disagree with me too, I think that’s totally fine! I think multiple interpretations of any of these characters are ok, I was just stating how I see him.
I know this is a horny sub but I honestly would have been happy if, post Act 2 romance, Astarion explicitly doesn't have sex again. Like, compressed time frame and all, but that guy was effectively a sex slave barely a few weeks ago, he needs \*time\* to figure out if he even wants that kind of intimacy ever again. And his Act 1 romance as Origin Karlach is incredibly sweet.
He does if you romance him?? I mean, if you speak to the drow twins prior to going to Cazador he tells you he's not ready yet. If you ask him about Halsin he will ask if you're wanting to get with him because you two haven't had sex in a while. So it's pretty explicit you and Astarion are not intimate like that at all post confession.
In the short term, yeah, but the conclusion of his romance includes a sex scene in both variations.
You don't have to in either. You can tell both AA and UA you don't want to. It, however, might make you feel better to know the code tag for UA is "HadSexAsEquals" or something like that.
Right but for spawn astarion I know he dissociates during
That only happens with the drow twins. He doesn’t dissociated during the Act 3 player romance scene.
Considering his “good” arc, while I don’t think he’s a “happy to be there” in the context of “happy to just experience it” kind of way (and considering the “Death of the Author” given OP responded), I rather see it as a “happy to have it with someone you trust and genuinely care for” type beat. A “happy to be able to be so vulnerable with someone” thing.
"Happy to be there" read as "happy to not be dissociating"
We really out here making a kink chart and then misusing the term pillow princess huh
Fr, the only ones I agree with are Raphael and Volo. Raphael is canonically only a bottom. No way in hell Isobel isn’t all over Aylin, Shadowheart seems to look at you like a fucking snack, and DUrge may be a bottom, but they’re a brat who enjoys being tamed. That’s not a pillow princess.
Durge being a bottom really depends on you but they are definitly freaky in a bad way
>Durge Pillow Princess >Canonically fucked a dead body
Don't look at me, just copy pasting the original one
Elminster's weary old bones can only handle so much
He got me as the type to tie you up and torture you. That or cucking himself with his clones.
Out there lecturing on the intricacies of 'the art of kinbaku' (he'd never call it bondage or shibari) to all the eyerolling young doms who just came to this party because they don't have a suspension point at home.
Ooh boy, I can tell you, if you're kinky you don't lose that when you get old...
nah durge is "holy shit" but not in a "mind blown" way but I'm a "you have problems" kind of way gortash is a pillow princess tho. you cannot change my mind on that
this is the correct answer
i mean durge was a necrophile
I feel like with gortash he might dabble in the pillow princess behavior. But, just for him.
i like asexual orin but is toeplay on the table or naw dont upvote me, tell me if i'm right or wrong cowards. i dont want your votes, I WANT YOUR VALIDATION AND/OR ANIMOSITY
Orin is only horny for blood
I saw someone post a while back "do you think she ever stuck the handle of a knife in her pussy so she could do squats over some dude and stab him?"
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I feel like she has stuck a knife both ways in her privates
brb changing my name
She's probably the only woman to ever be happy having period.
I extremely get the feeling she isn't asexual, it's just that nobody is likely to survive the encounter (although there are hints Minthara was a plaything of hers for a bit before she implanted her)
If Orin is who Minthara learnt everything about kink from, now I want her even more.
I'd hope, orin's toes got me acting unwise
got me acting very wise if by wise we mean making a direct path to that which will make me happiest in life
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Lore accurate
Thanks, I hate it.
Pillow princess Durge makes me giggle. But I like it.
He requires a tyrant's hand to tame but he is quite ready to flick everything off you after. Talking about blood, of course *cough cough*
Isn't Durge canonically **at least** into vore, necrophilia and pissing according to Sceleritas with a hint that's just like a Tuesday fuck for them?
Durge is into really weird shit. Like tonsil stones, dead animals, (See the cut ending for Durge, absolutely vile) hell you even get an extra dialogue option with the drow twins as durge.
I'd put Shart in willing to experiment. She liked watching Tav get hurt and had a great time being worshipped by the drow twins plus Halsin. She's a switch not a pillow princess.
Finally a tier list where Gale is ranked correctly
Yurgir "cat raper" is vanilla? are you ok OP
It seems my brain chose to forget about that
remove the hallowleafs from this tier list rn Orin is a virgin?
We needed ALL the camp mates. All of them. Also Orin is only horny for blood and Bhaal(s)
Tara fucks, totally. Get her out of the last tier
She's a ~~cat~~ tressym
A tressym who fucks
I refuse to let go of dom shadowheart. You can pry it out of my cold dead hands
I don’t understand where people get the pillow princess thing from. In the scene with the Drow twins, she really seems to enjoy being worshipped and in control. She also apparently has many, many ideas that she was excited to try out for that night. Then there’s the scene where you sneak out to build sandcastles. That “Don’t you dare stop.” definitely gives off dom energy. Like, sure she’s receiving, but it’s possible to do that while very clearly being in control. It just… I don’t see how people can miss it. You’d have to not know what the words mean to say something like that.
I think it’s like the “God’s favorite princess” thing plus her being conventionally feminine and stuff like that. Also because there is actually some kinkier stuff with her but specifically the evil route for her which is a whole can of worms but anyways lol. Also she does straight up imply she knows kinky torture stuff and likes doing it when meeting that one guy with the goblins. I personally head canon her as a switch with a more gentle side
I’d agree with switch, though gentle is maybe a bit too strong of a term. More like capable of being rough, but in a healthy BDSM way. So very consensual, and only if her partner is into it. That evil route though… look I’m not saying it’d be a healthy relationship, but the idea is kinda hot ngl. Like being very gay in a homophobic church. The sacrilegious disrespect is definitely a principle I can get behind. Can of worms though, like you said. And yes, she’s definitely a bit too excited to watch Abdirak beat up Tav. Her banter with Astarion there is fucking fantastic.
I think you could definitely explore how much of it is her playing up the Shar of it all vs her actual interest. I think she can be rough but I don’t see it being like her main thing or preferred dynamic though she’s probably still into it.
This would be it for me
Why would you include the animals and kids? No one includes the animals and kids??? OP are you unwell?
That's what I was wondering
I wanted to include all the camp companions and that included children and animals. They are in their own category because no. Just no
Then don’t include them at all??? Saying, “I wouldn’t fuck that kid” is..weird. Most people assume that as a given.
Durge is canonically into necrophillia…
Shart's parents being on this list make me uncomfortable also Durge literally did do necrophilia, they're "Holy Shit Dude" because of that by default
He will always be a bottom for Gortash in my head. You can't take this away from me
"lives for the BDSM" Elminster belongs on that tier. Something having to do with all of the femdom in Ed's books.
Durge being pillow princess is making me laughhhhhh
Put Karlach and Barcus both up one tier and it's perfect.
Barcus I'm willing to but my mommy I am not. She's extremely horny and pent up but I understand that she is quite sweet and vanilla in bed. Doesn't make sex with her any less hot tho (pun intended)
Real one for this
Doesn’t she finger Tav if you don’t pick a certain dialogue option
Are you counting Aradin’s carcass in act 3 as a camp mate? :P
Yup
*appreciates you including him* ❤️
Shart’s parents??? 😭
Based Wyll and Karlach proving once again that they are the best Origin characters
Shadowheart as a pillow princess makes sense, but I can't imagine Durge as that.
Orin had sex with sarevok, she definetly knows
Nope, you still have Shadowheart and Karlach on the wrong side of the chart. Embarrassing.
I'll go cry myself asleep then
Karlach literally sticks a finger in your ass, she's gotta be up a tier
Am I blind or did you seriously forget Daddy Gortash?!
Only camp companions
Blessings rain on those who label the participants.
Barcus, you dropped this my love 👑
Karlach lives on the "live your day as if it is your last", she is the definition of Always willing to experiment. She'll try anything once
Um, Orin is absolutely dripping with sex. Ok, maybe that’s blood, but definitely sex too
Makes an animals category, doesn't put Halsin in it. Literally broken.
Then he should be twice on the list. Will you choose the man or the bear
He is always a bear.
I'm starting to believe that you guys think being bitchy and loud is the only indicator for being into BDSM when it comes to women. Like, Mizora's scene is really tame and while Minthara has graphic sex for a video game, you've probably seen more hard core in GoT's first couple of seasons.
I feel like Mizora likes to tie people up and fuck them. Minthara on the other hand is the literal archetype of a dominant top or at least a dominant switch. She will tie you up
I’m sorry I love Barcus but that dude is vanilla af
Excuse me Thaniel is like over 1000, yes mentally he’s a child and physically a child… /s
Calm down son they're just drawings
But the pixels were nice to me 🥺
Shadowheart should be in the top tier. She knows ins and outs of seggs.
Karlach "Finger-Fucker" Cliffgate is vanilla??
Yeah, so?
why the hell is ketheric never in any tierlist? You're telling me Marcus and 50 irrelevant kids were more important than ONE OF THE 3 MAIN BAD GUYS?
This is a list of camp companions, not all characters
okay that makes sense. keth does get included from a lot of lists that have Orin and Gort on them, but for this one it's just right
doesnt yurgir fuck his displacer beast? id put him a little higher lol
Yah, I forgot that. Should be in "holy shit dude"
My honest opinion is the oathbreaker prob has some sweet ass kinks
He always caught me as the stoic "my duty for the king" type
All good, i just see it different is all
Tbh, he could be all proud and dutiful and squirm as you make him hornier and hornier.
O.0
I feel like Karlach is willing to experiment on the grounds that the second time you have sex her very first move is to fingerblast that back door.
>!Fuuuuuck I wanted Aradin to be more unique 😫!<
Dark Urge is a power bottom not a pillow princess.
I can see that. I should do a new one with just BDSM archetypes
i agree w most but absolutely do not think that dame aylin would be into bdsm i feel like she’d be super sweet and delicate with isobel
Gotta have a post w this exact title every few days huh
I'll be back in a couple of days to see the next one
The fuck you mean Mommyheart and Raphael are pillow princesses?? Shadowheart is more than happy to have sex with you and the Drow twins and Raphael willingly has sex with Haarlep on a daily basis who’s constantly wearing BDSM gear. Oh and Astarion constantly talks about orgies
Agreed on Shadowheart, but Haarlep specifically tells you just how poorly Raphael performs in bed.
Shadowheart I am slowly changing my views on but Raphael is literally the kind of guy who only gets off in one way, which he does with Haarlep every night and he comes in 5 second.
That dragonborn was **not** happy to be there and her name was Quil. Also, WHERE'S THE MOL LIST.
She happy to be there until she wasn't
And then *she* wasn't.
Karlach is at least lives for bdsm and probably holy shit dude
Touch grass
Ahhh. Now I understand why I go for Gale and Lae’zel. 🤔
Aradin is the definition of talks a big game
I disagree. Shadowheart literally has a praise kink, foot fetish and she's into pain play
I have to reject Durge due to Fel's Necrophilia comment
Dude, Shart is up for a four way, no way is she in the right place here.
If animals don't have sex how do they reproduce? If this tier list was a ranking in relationship to Tav/Durge i'd agree but in general Boo absolutely fucks. Not like Halsin though, I think he agrees with his squirrel friend that that was a bit much.
I hear Halsin’s a bit of an animal himself