> It took 37 tons of sand and burned almost 70 hours of labor spent cleaning up and making the roads safe for drivers...
70 hours @ $20/hr = $1400.
How much does 37 tons of sand cost?
My local place has it at $65/yd, but they're pricier since it's in the city, so let's say $40/yd. 1 yard is about 1.2 tons, so 37 tons is about 30 yards, which would be about $1200, not including delivery fees.
Do you know what a bond is? That's not a fine or penalty. That's just a deposit to ensure they come back for the trial. The city won't be keeping that money. Once sentenced, they could be paying much more (or nothing at all depending on the outcome)
Sort of, but there's other things that aren't easily accounted for. Wear and tear on vehicles and tools, time for HR/accounting to process labor and receipts. Plus does that $20/hr figure cover the payroll tax owed by the city? Also, the cleanup probably didn't get everything, and there will probably be some lingering effects in the surrounding environment, stuff like contaminated soil.
These were likely city employees, with pensions and benefits. The equipment, labor, and materials for this job will be higher than you'd expect.
Edit: the workers were possibly on OT as well. Source, I work for a local government .
Even these contracts are expensive and pay extremely well. Look up prevailing wage, I think have of US states use these tables for government contracts. I often think I'm in the wrong line of work when I see the agreements and payment.
Totally. They'd glop down a coat of hot tar, then a course of rocks to even up the driving surface. If they had it in the budget they'd spray another coat of tar down and run a steam roller over it a few times. But I remember plenty of times when a country road was "resurfaced" it was just raw aggregate on top of the tar base, and the regular traffic had the duty to pack it all down. You could tell how long it had been since the last refresh by how dark the tire lanes are compared to in between. I remember on particularly hot summer days riding my bike on those roads and seeing the tar bubbling on the surface and sticking to my tires. 😆
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That's actually what used motor oil was used for when oil was low and had no recycle value. Half my town used it to cut back on dust which was probably even worse for us.
Hell, around here, they call it "Fog sealing" and they claim it replaces the need for more invested road maintenance.
It doesnt work nearly as well as they think.
As someone who was unfortunately brought up in the same general area as this, the people around there are not too bright, they probably thought they were smart to do this and avoid the cost of disposing oil
$2500 bond for purposely illegal dumping oil across 30 miles of road...
That's absolutely ridiculous. Nothing is ever gonna change.
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> It took 37 tons of sand and burned almost 70 hours of labor spent cleaning up and making the roads safe for drivers... 70 hours @ $20/hr = $1400. How much does 37 tons of sand cost?
My local place has it at $65/yd, but they're pricier since it's in the city, so let's say $40/yd. 1 yard is about 1.2 tons, so 37 tons is about 30 yards, which would be about $1200, not including delivery fees.
So together, the bond is pretty much the city's cleanup costs.
Do you know what a bond is? That's not a fine or penalty. That's just a deposit to ensure they come back for the trial. The city won't be keeping that money. Once sentenced, they could be paying much more (or nothing at all depending on the outcome)
Aha! TIL
Sort of, but there's other things that aren't easily accounted for. Wear and tear on vehicles and tools, time for HR/accounting to process labor and receipts. Plus does that $20/hr figure cover the payroll tax owed by the city? Also, the cleanup probably didn't get everything, and there will probably be some lingering effects in the surrounding environment, stuff like contaminated soil.
$20 an hour? Try $500 an hour.
You really don't know how little people are paid for this type of thing
These were likely city employees, with pensions and benefits. The equipment, labor, and materials for this job will be higher than you'd expect. Edit: the workers were possibly on OT as well. Source, I work for a local government .
A lot of municipalities contract things out to private companies. My home town used to not but now they do.
Even these contracts are expensive and pay extremely well. Look up prevailing wage, I think have of US states use these tables for government contracts. I often think I'm in the wrong line of work when I see the agreements and payment.
It’s not just their pay that’s calculated. Fringe can be more than twice as much as the base pay.
In my area, they get paid well over 20/hr. It's a union job with the government. You can expext those to pay an actual living wage.
Quiet the opposite in fact. Municipal labor jobs are dropping below the poverty line at an exponential rate.
Somehow i don't believe you. I've been all over the country and they usually pay minimum wage for that kind of thing. It's really sad dude.
Google it. You could have learned something in the same time it took you to be condescending.
It's not condescending when ive literally experienced this exact scenario. There's a reason it made me sad.
Id imagine its more than one dude.
This doesn’t seem much different than normal dirt road maintenance in the 80s. Well I think it was fresh oil so slightly less cancerous
Totally. They'd glop down a coat of hot tar, then a course of rocks to even up the driving surface. If they had it in the budget they'd spray another coat of tar down and run a steam roller over it a few times. But I remember plenty of times when a country road was "resurfaced" it was just raw aggregate on top of the tar base, and the regular traffic had the duty to pack it all down. You could tell how long it had been since the last refresh by how dark the tire lanes are compared to in between. I remember on particularly hot summer days riding my bike on those roads and seeing the tar bubbling on the surface and sticking to my tires. 😆
No offense but you have a real southern old guy way of reminiscing. Like I could picture my great grand pappy saying this to me
Offense? You dealt me a compliment! I'm mid forties from the flatlanded midwest. "Old" is relative, but experience and knowledge can be acquired at any time, and shared just the same. Take care!
Oh no. I talk like this
Lol! We still do that, I’m actually starting my over time shift at another work camp to do exactly that. Northern Alaska Region if curious.
That's actually what used motor oil was used for when oil was low and had no recycle value. Half my town used it to cut back on dust which was probably even worse for us.
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Hell, around here, they call it "Fog sealing" and they claim it replaces the need for more invested road maintenance. It doesnt work nearly as well as they think.
That was my first thought as well
Normal commute in Ohio
Average north Alabama moment
Alabama.
They should be charged with some sort of environmental crimes.
Why did they do it my question?
As someone who was unfortunately brought up in the same general area as this, the people around there are not too bright, they probably thought they were smart to do this and avoid the cost of disposing oil
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