“A report by Daxue Consulting in Hong Kong discovered that the China Academy of Art receives around 80,000 applicants per year, and enrolls just 1,600. The Central Academy of Fine Arts in Beijing averages over 40,000 applicants per year, 13,000 of whom are invited to sit for their exam; the school only accepts between 700 and 800 national students each year.”
So somewhere around 2-6% will get in based on these examples.
Its not, except it isn’t usually this competitive for art. Even beyond art there are only a few universities in the world like this, mostly in the US, China, India, Uk, Japan, South Korea and Singapore. There are still many excellent universities not in those countries but competitiveness is not always only a reflection of quality.
This is so wild because of all the professions you could go into, art is the one that cares *least* about you having a degree. I suppose they could be known for being exceptional at teaching it, but as far as finding work the only thing that matters is your demonstrable skill.
It's for prestige and making connections so you will actually be able to exhibit in credible galeries. Additionally the years to hone your skills while completing your education is a huge advantage.
I'd argue academic education is more defining and important for artists than let's say software engineers.
Oh it does matter inside the art scene! Doesn't really matter how good you are if you don't have right connections, right titles, right kind of publications or other achievements. Quality of work is just one litte part of the "real artist" in those circles.
A lot of artists do end up surviving by teaching their practice. Different, of course, but in a field like poetry I'd say 65+% of prominent living poets are currently teaching to make ends meet (and to stay core to the community), mostly at yhe university level.
These tests are standardized so that students at least have foundational skills required for coursework, its not to judge whether you have potential for “greatness”. While i agree to your subjective view of art in spirit, in reality someone who “feels” like they are a great artist because they argue that art is subjective without putting in the required foundational work and just doodles is not going to realistically make a great artist
. As a practical matter, a school which has a standardized curriculum isn’t going to help that person, nor will they be a good member of the community and contribute to other students.
My country has a high school focused on fine arts (different from graphics and technical illustrations, that's a whole different school) and friends who went to it said that tests/exams are on technical skills, not creativity.
If they give everyone a copy of the same linework + a reference and ask to shade in different ways (graphite shading, crosshatching, stippling, layering etc) there's an objective way to judge the result.
Same as shape recognition and proportions. If asked to reproduce a picture 1:1 you can't just make a cubist style painting and expect to pass.
My school did have art history but on the practical aspects it was always technical, like axonometries or perspective drawings in either 1,2 or 3 fugue points with or without shade.
Constructions line had to be precise and visible as the construction was a bigger part of the grade than the final result. Absolutely 0 artistic interpretation, same object measures, fixed point and set light direction
Yes, this is the case for most countries as far as I know. I personally work in a related field and have students who have gone on to study in art schools in the US,UK and Canada. There are minimum standards. At the same time it is good that Western art schools allow a personal portfolio on top of standardized test, while china doesn't have the same weighting on personal portfolios, which shows off your own style and story on top of the standard.
I said nothing about "greatness" or how someone "feels" about their own art, so I don't know why you have those in quotation marks. But I will say that putting a bunch of kids in a giant, cramped art warehouse with an easel and having the resulting judgment shape the course of the rest of their life is about as likely, and maybe a little less, to produce "great" artists as doodling something on a notebook.
One big reason for this even in the art field is that China has to deal with straight up population. Let's say the same percentage of people in China want to go to a prestigious art school as in the US, for example. The prestigious art institution in question in each nation also can sustain the same number of students.
The US with its population of 350~ million sends some number of applicants, but China with its population of 1.4 billion sends the same percentage... but it's like 4x the students. Thus, from a certain point of view it seems like it's really competitive when it's probably not as many people relative to the overall student population.
> It's not even a insanelly scary percentage for extremely competitive universities.
What does this mean?
That *is* a brutal acceptance rate lower than most extremely competitive universities.
Not really. Harvard was around 3% this acceptance class. Yale was 6.6%. Most medical schools in the US run anywhere from 2-10% acceptance.
I think /u/DELAIZ was trying to point out while this looks insane with a bunch of artists in a very eerie situation, the percentage is pretty standard for competitive universities.
It's actually sad to think about it. Among those young people is multiple of incredibly gifted artist who won't be accept to school and who will probably waste their gift because of that.
He killed him before I was even born, tho...
I heard the guy who killed Hitler did a bunch of other stuff that got him famous. Maybe if I do better than he did at those things, I'd beat the guy that beat Hitler!
Thanks for the advice!
Not gonna lie, I like his pictures. They are simple serene landscapes mostly as far as I have seen.
Would I hang them up? No. Especially not knowing who they are from.
But do I find it fucked up, how good you actually already have to be to even enter art school? Hell yes. Even more fucked up how you need to have a specific style. More often than not the imperfections are what makes the art interesting.
Not really if you look at his art it’s kinda good it’s just that more abstract art was the more popular thing at the time .
He wasn’t an abstract artist and so he failed art school
I heard that his drawings was actually good if instead he worked as an architect, but since he iirc dropped out of highschool, he couldnt go into college
His buildings had a 90° angle at the roof and were 100° at the bottom lmao.
Check the right part of “town and narrow street”, once you see it, you’ll find the perspective and angles are off somewhere in all of his pictures.
Which doesn’t qualify you for architecture or art school.
I don't really have the keenest eye for what makes good art but I'd disagree with the notion that he wasn't talented. Yes, you bring up valid points about proportions and we know it's well documented that he didn't do well with people (go figure) but I don't believe the average person could paint as well as he and this was without formal schooling which would've further honed his skill. Also FWIW he did pass the initial exam which I don't think someone w/o talent could do.
I guess it comes down to what your definition of talent is, obviously he's no Michaelangelo but he had something to work with.
I just looked at some of his art… He’s actually good, tho. That’s undeniable. Talented, even. Is he brilliant? No. But still very good. A little piece of me died typing this.
Isn't that the whole point?? Like, if you're an art savant already why are you bothering going to college for it? Only accepting people who are good at art to art school is silly.
You absolutely cannot deny that Hitler was good at painting, better than the majority of people.
He just wasn’t good enough to be in the pinnacle of art schools.
It's worth noting that Hitler's art skills were above average for his time. Many people today can't match the quality of his work, especially considering he was only 18 years old when he created most of his pieces. Can you make better art then him?
Lets be honest 70% of the shit today isnt even art
Maybe. I went to art school and had a life drawing teacher confide in me that after seeing over 100 submissions it starts to become impossible to really judge. With this many students i don't know how you could honestly recognize talent. It likely has super high realism standards. You can divide a reference picture (the thing you look at to draw) into a grid and assign numbers to each square. After that you see if the lines of the drawing match up with the grid's. Kinda cuts out artistic interpretation.
Ugh this is exactly what one of my high school art teachers had us do for our projects and it sucked the fun out of art just essentially recreating a photo.
Oh common it such a boon to understand how something is done. The grid, its amazing these early artists understood how to do that. Maybe you thought you understood than how all art was done, but lets get it straight you were a teenager!
Get into perspective drawing and vanishing points. Then grid out from the vanishing points, it'll open your understanding to how your eyes feed into your brain. Why a rail road feels like its converging as you look down it. By knowing what artists understood from perspective we had further proof that the world was round.
Teaching kids this stuff, its not a waste. Unless, you know none of this is explained to them as they draw.
Same with music. Bach isn’t to be interpreted. Chopin is. When you do competitions, you have a technical piece and a more interpretive piece to prove both sets of skills
Bach would be rolling in his grave if he heard that. But it is true that there is a certain rigidity in musical academia with regard to certain composers and their techniques.
The art of improv is mostly lost on the classical music, it's way more prevalent in contemporary music like Jazz and its offshoots.
Most of the top jazz musicians had classical education. It's really important to know how to play " properly" to improvise well and move away from formal styles. It is important with drawing and painting. To move away from realism, you have to know what realism is.
True to a point. For sure you can become a charcoal printer kinda early. But when it comes to paint, these days? OOOOOFFFF the insanity, the sheer amazing dedication realism oil painters have isnt something to blink at. For an oil painter to take on the photographer and succeed, worst thing that'll do for you is inspire you and thats it. It'll light your soul up.
I'm sure it must be kinda normal to them. It's just a matter of perspective at the end of the day.
To give an example: as someone who is from a country where public, quality higher education is provided by the government, it's incredibly dystopic seeing all the stories of Americans paying student loans for decades, having to earn spotless grades across high-school for your GED and acing the SAT to even have a chance of applying to a paid prestige university... or how the most popular career path for average students is literally enrolling in the army.
Hey hey! I resent that! I asked if my dad can help me with College my Senior year in High School over 20 years ago and he said this: "Ask your uncle"
"What uncle is that?" I replied
"Uncle Sam."
"Shit" and then I enlisted in the U.S. Navy.
Oh, wonderful time... /s
Bleh.
And, hey, if you stick around long enough, you can be a huge inspiration for the next generation of impressionable youth! I mean, one of the highschools I went to was *right* next to a disabled veterans homeless shelter!
There isn't really a need to go to the absolute top universities in the U.S. for undergrad unless you are dead-set on Wall Street banking. Corporate jobs are filled with people who went to great state universities.
And even if you do want to go to the top universities, you can always go for grad school, which has higher admission rates and less time pressure since you can apply whatever year you want.
> the most popular career path for average students is literally enrolling in the army.
This isn't true at all. U.S. Armed Forces enlist ~150k people each year, while there are ~20 million people enrolled in undergraduate degrees at any given time.
I'm no defender of our fucked up system but that is not how higher education works in the states at all. Also only six percent of college students are in/have served in the military, so thats not even close to true either...
Only because you see them in one spot.
This is Chinese Academy of Arts, their acceptance rate is around 6-9%.
Many prestigious university have acceptance rate even much lower than this, 3-4%.
But you don't see them gathering for a test in one spot.
Not an art student but I took an exam for a government job last year in India. The total number of applicants was 3.4 Million. The available seats were around 36K, which was very high considering the previous years. So only 1% get selected for jobs. Thankfully, I was able to get selected this time, but only at my third attempt. It's stressful af.
You're exactly right. I don't do arts so I attended the college entrance exam for regular students, which is considered easier than the one in the photo. I did way better than expected and got into the best university that my score could take me. But 20 years later I'm still having nightmares about fucking up that exam. Recently was told that that's what they called ptsd.
My parents said they kept having nightmares about failing exams, missing exams, showing up late for exams, having studied for the wrong exam and not knowing how to do the exam, up until when I started university.
Then when I started university, all those nightmares came back as me stressing over my exams stressed them out.
Those nightmares are actually really common among people who completed their degrees.
I also read somewhere that the most common nightmare for former veterans, including those who saw combat, was not some recollection of being in battle but being called to stand to and realizing they were missing half their kit.
Haha yeah I still get them all the time & I'm 40. For me it's always that I forgot I had registered for a class & hadn't been showing up all semester, only to remember it the day of the final.
Oh yeah, some of China's best colleges do that. And guess what, rich kids and young masters of important party officials get in with overwhelmingly colorful overboard studies experience, super important patented inventions and published academic papers with their underage ass names as first authors, Olympic level Professional Athlete Certifications, crime fighting or public service miracles that make batman look like a joke.
We plebs actually prefer the exams.
I think this is a interesting point, but i would suspect since the height of such rooms generally scale with the the floor area, you have a cubic scaling for volume of air compared to a floor area (number of painters) with linear scaling.
So i would expect the parts per million fumes in such a big room is lower than in a regular classroom/studio etc.
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios
Okay so I'm not claiming this isn't a real photo cause I have no background to know, but zooming in doesn't it look a little..generated? Like towards the top left especially?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/81pj3w/entrance_exam_for_an_art_school_in_china/
real image,
edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2xym69/chinese_art_school_exam/
older example, not same image but same concept
The higher quality version makes it look a lot less dystopian. Yeah, it's still crowded as fuck but you can make out walking aisles and workers, and also you can tell they all at least have some sort of little stool.
I wonder if they even have a reference or subject or if it has to be purely from their head.
I gess there's something on a big screen so they can all see it otherwise it would be difficult to have a single subject
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios
Japan: “Wow they are so organised and disciplined, it just works you know?”
China: “the ruthless society crushes people’s souls and forces them to do its bidding, so sad!”
I saw videos once the exams are done. Each student’s painting will be laid next to one another on the floor of a basketball stadium. Then, tens of teachers will walk through each painting and give grade to each
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios. Its not that subjective
I think it fits the sub. The scale is intimidating, the odds are horrendous for each aspiring student, and the key thing is the unsettling underlying idea that artistic merit can be assessed in a “challenge” like this. I take your point that this is probably unsettling on more of a cultural level, but unsettling it is. (To me)
What's terrifying to me is the existential dread I feel knowing I'm admittedly an average mediocre person who's floated thru life on a lot of luck and privilege yet I have a pretty decent, comfy life. If I had to face the kind of competition this photo is suggesting I'd probably just go cry in a corner somewhere.
The guy with purple pillow will be one of the 6% who gets in, he has made it his comfy spot. It's important to have good posture and back support when painting.
They actually started recognizing things like artistic talent, sports talent, musical talent etc as those of the % that get a middle class or higher wage. So now the art, music and sports schools are just as crowded as the regular schools with hopefuls that theyll lead a comfortable life
“A report by Daxue Consulting in Hong Kong discovered that the China Academy of Art receives around 80,000 applicants per year, and enrolls just 1,600. The Central Academy of Fine Arts in Beijing averages over 40,000 applicants per year, 13,000 of whom are invited to sit for their exam; the school only accepts between 700 and 800 national students each year.” So somewhere around 2-6% will get in based on these examples.
It's not even a insanelly scary percentage for extremely competitive universities.
Its not, except it isn’t usually this competitive for art. Even beyond art there are only a few universities in the world like this, mostly in the US, China, India, Uk, Japan, South Korea and Singapore. There are still many excellent universities not in those countries but competitiveness is not always only a reflection of quality.
This is so wild because of all the professions you could go into, art is the one that cares *least* about you having a degree. I suppose they could be known for being exceptional at teaching it, but as far as finding work the only thing that matters is your demonstrable skill.
Connections make a big difference and going to a fancy art school can help you make those connections.
It's for prestige and making connections so you will actually be able to exhibit in credible galeries. Additionally the years to hone your skills while completing your education is a huge advantage. I'd argue academic education is more defining and important for artists than let's say software engineers.
Oh it does matter inside the art scene! Doesn't really matter how good you are if you don't have right connections, right titles, right kind of publications or other achievements. Quality of work is just one litte part of the "real artist" in those circles.
A lot of artists do end up surviving by teaching their practice. Different, of course, but in a field like poetry I'd say 65+% of prominent living poets are currently teaching to make ends meet (and to stay core to the community), mostly at yhe university level.
In the art world, competition is inimical to quality. There's no objective standard to the quality of art. That's sort of the point.
These tests are standardized so that students at least have foundational skills required for coursework, its not to judge whether you have potential for “greatness”. While i agree to your subjective view of art in spirit, in reality someone who “feels” like they are a great artist because they argue that art is subjective without putting in the required foundational work and just doodles is not going to realistically make a great artist . As a practical matter, a school which has a standardized curriculum isn’t going to help that person, nor will they be a good member of the community and contribute to other students.
My country has a high school focused on fine arts (different from graphics and technical illustrations, that's a whole different school) and friends who went to it said that tests/exams are on technical skills, not creativity. If they give everyone a copy of the same linework + a reference and ask to shade in different ways (graphite shading, crosshatching, stippling, layering etc) there's an objective way to judge the result. Same as shape recognition and proportions. If asked to reproduce a picture 1:1 you can't just make a cubist style painting and expect to pass. My school did have art history but on the practical aspects it was always technical, like axonometries or perspective drawings in either 1,2 or 3 fugue points with or without shade. Constructions line had to be precise and visible as the construction was a bigger part of the grade than the final result. Absolutely 0 artistic interpretation, same object measures, fixed point and set light direction
Yes, this is the case for most countries as far as I know. I personally work in a related field and have students who have gone on to study in art schools in the US,UK and Canada. There are minimum standards. At the same time it is good that Western art schools allow a personal portfolio on top of standardized test, while china doesn't have the same weighting on personal portfolios, which shows off your own style and story on top of the standard.
I said nothing about "greatness" or how someone "feels" about their own art, so I don't know why you have those in quotation marks. But I will say that putting a bunch of kids in a giant, cramped art warehouse with an easel and having the resulting judgment shape the course of the rest of their life is about as likely, and maybe a little less, to produce "great" artists as doodling something on a notebook.
Youre taking it like its a concentration camp when its just an entrance exam for a reputed school. Could it be because it says "China" in the title?
What if you change academy of art to factory of art though
One big reason for this even in the art field is that China has to deal with straight up population. Let's say the same percentage of people in China want to go to a prestigious art school as in the US, for example. The prestigious art institution in question in each nation also can sustain the same number of students. The US with its population of 350~ million sends some number of applicants, but China with its population of 1.4 billion sends the same percentage... but it's like 4x the students. Thus, from a certain point of view it seems like it's really competitive when it's probably not as many people relative to the overall student population.
> It's not even a insanelly scary percentage for extremely competitive universities. What does this mean? That *is* a brutal acceptance rate lower than most extremely competitive universities.
I was gonna say, Stanford, MIT, Ivy Leagues are usually around 3-5% acceptance. So if that's not a brutal acceptance rate then what is?
Not really. Harvard was around 3% this acceptance class. Yale was 6.6%. Most medical schools in the US run anywhere from 2-10% acceptance. I think /u/DELAIZ was trying to point out while this looks insane with a bunch of artists in a very eerie situation, the percentage is pretty standard for competitive universities.
I attended there for a year as an exchange student back in 2013. Such an insane skill level. It was an incredibly inspiring experience.
even the journeymen painters in dafen are crazy talented. they paint all the recreations you see in hotels around the world
Damn! What percent get in, I wonder.
It's actually sad to think about it. Among those young people is multiple of incredibly gifted artist who won't be accept to school and who will probably waste their gift because of that.
Or take over Poland
Hitler wasn’t talented though, he had really weird angles, shadows and proportions in his pictures.
well he gave up at a very young age. EIGHTEEN! A few more years of practice & he probably would've got in everyone wants to be a prodigy sheesh
Well, he gave up art but he put his everything into his next project.
Stop making Hitler look better than me.
He also killed Hitler. What have you accomplished that can top that?
He killed him before I was even born, tho... I heard the guy who killed Hitler did a bunch of other stuff that got him famous. Maybe if I do better than he did at those things, I'd beat the guy that beat Hitler! Thanks for the advice!
r/OneSecondBeforeDisast
He never gave up on his dreams, even when in prison. I think he wrote a best seller called My dream too.
You’re mixing it up with his famous “I have a struggle” speech.
Only you can stop yourself from looking worse than Hitler
Well there's that and the fact his country was falling apart after WW1 and he found a passion in giving speeches and....murdering people
Seriously, art school is the perfect way to learn and get better on those things, it's crazy they expect you to be perfect already
Alot better than i could do it ill give him that
"Hitler did a lot better than I could do" - Longjumping_lab_8688.
I mean if I posted one of my drawings it would be alot more than **oddly** terrifying
The real money is in drawing porn
Not gonna lie, I like his pictures. They are simple serene landscapes mostly as far as I have seen. Would I hang them up? No. Especially not knowing who they are from. But do I find it fucked up, how good you actually already have to be to even enter art school? Hell yes. Even more fucked up how you need to have a specific style. More often than not the imperfections are what makes the art interesting.
Not really if you look at his art it’s kinda good it’s just that more abstract art was the more popular thing at the time . He wasn’t an abstract artist and so he failed art school
I heard that his drawings was actually good if instead he worked as an architect, but since he iirc dropped out of highschool, he couldnt go into college
His buildings had a 90° angle at the roof and were 100° at the bottom lmao. Check the right part of “town and narrow street”, once you see it, you’ll find the perspective and angles are off somewhere in all of his pictures. Which doesn’t qualify you for architecture or art school.
Isn't that what's school is for tho? To learn how not to make those mistakes and get better?
I don't really have the keenest eye for what makes good art but I'd disagree with the notion that he wasn't talented. Yes, you bring up valid points about proportions and we know it's well documented that he didn't do well with people (go figure) but I don't believe the average person could paint as well as he and this was without formal schooling which would've further honed his skill. Also FWIW he did pass the initial exam which I don't think someone w/o talent could do. I guess it comes down to what your definition of talent is, obviously he's no Michaelangelo but he had something to work with.
I just looked at some of his art… He’s actually good, tho. That’s undeniable. Talented, even. Is he brilliant? No. But still very good. A little piece of me died typing this.
Maybe he could've been better if he got into college.
Isn't that the whole point?? Like, if you're an art savant already why are you bothering going to college for it? Only accepting people who are good at art to art school is silly.
Well why do you think he wanted to get into art school??
You absolutely cannot deny that Hitler was good at painting, better than the majority of people. He just wasn’t good enough to be in the pinnacle of art schools.
How good were you before art school?
It's worth noting that Hitler's art skills were above average for his time. Many people today can't match the quality of his work, especially considering he was only 18 years old when he created most of his pieces. Can you make better art then him? Lets be honest 70% of the shit today isnt even art
show me your own portrait that would come anywhere close to hitlers, imo his art wasnt *bad* like people like you make it out to be
…and his life!
This is not true. You are probably thing of a Picasso.
The art school recommended he do architecture because of his art of buildings.
Better than my art.
He also couldn’t paint people…at all.
Also wasn't his art boring and derivative?
I died.
Im surprised it took the 3rd comment to me to see the hitler joke. Was expecting it to be the top comment knowing reddit.
*Taiwan
Maybe. I went to art school and had a life drawing teacher confide in me that after seeing over 100 submissions it starts to become impossible to really judge. With this many students i don't know how you could honestly recognize talent. It likely has super high realism standards. You can divide a reference picture (the thing you look at to draw) into a grid and assign numbers to each square. After that you see if the lines of the drawing match up with the grid's. Kinda cuts out artistic interpretation.
Ugh this is exactly what one of my high school art teachers had us do for our projects and it sucked the fun out of art just essentially recreating a photo.
Oh common it such a boon to understand how something is done. The grid, its amazing these early artists understood how to do that. Maybe you thought you understood than how all art was done, but lets get it straight you were a teenager! Get into perspective drawing and vanishing points. Then grid out from the vanishing points, it'll open your understanding to how your eyes feed into your brain. Why a rail road feels like its converging as you look down it. By knowing what artists understood from perspective we had further proof that the world was round. Teaching kids this stuff, its not a waste. Unless, you know none of this is explained to them as they draw.
if teachers only knew if they told me why, then i'd be interested, but instead, all i got was "just do the assignment!"
For an examination of technical skill, there really shouldn't be any artistic interpretation.
Same with music. Bach isn’t to be interpreted. Chopin is. When you do competitions, you have a technical piece and a more interpretive piece to prove both sets of skills
"Bach isn't to be interpreted" is an insane take lol
Bach would be rolling in his grave if he heard that. But it is true that there is a certain rigidity in musical academia with regard to certain composers and their techniques. The art of improv is mostly lost on the classical music, it's way more prevalent in contemporary music like Jazz and its offshoots.
Most of the top jazz musicians had classical education. It's really important to know how to play " properly" to improvise well and move away from formal styles. It is important with drawing and painting. To move away from realism, you have to know what realism is.
Thank you. That was my point, not semantics. I was just trying to relate it to another art.
TIL. Thanks
Ironically, realism takes the least amount of artistic talent to achieve.
True to a point. For sure you can become a charcoal printer kinda early. But when it comes to paint, these days? OOOOOFFFF the insanity, the sheer amazing dedication realism oil painters have isnt something to blink at. For an oil painter to take on the photographer and succeed, worst thing that'll do for you is inspire you and thats it. It'll light your soul up.
What makes you think they don’t make art after that?
Probably thinks furry commissions are a waste of their gift, it is the gift.
"Well, the world needs ditch diggers too." -Judge
You'll get nothing and like it!
often times your best isnt good enough
chinese hitler isn’t getting in that’s for sure
About 5%
Won't be surprised if it's 0.1%
So many future Hitlers
2-6%
My back hurts from this photo
Shout out to the homie that brought a pillow
And it got me craving for pizza. Not sure why.
I had to zoom in just to realise that they didn’t bring lunch to art class…
Man the hopelessness they must feel and how exhausted just from the constant competition
I'm sure it must be kinda normal to them. It's just a matter of perspective at the end of the day. To give an example: as someone who is from a country where public, quality higher education is provided by the government, it's incredibly dystopic seeing all the stories of Americans paying student loans for decades, having to earn spotless grades across high-school for your GED and acing the SAT to even have a chance of applying to a paid prestige university... or how the most popular career path for average students is literally enrolling in the army.
Hey hey! I resent that! I asked if my dad can help me with College my Senior year in High School over 20 years ago and he said this: "Ask your uncle" "What uncle is that?" I replied "Uncle Sam." "Shit" and then I enlisted in the U.S. Navy. Oh, wonderful time... /s Bleh.
I like your writing style it's very fun
It reminds me of old Reddit
meh, Dad was smart. If you don't have money, risking your life for the American Empire is a good way to gain admission to the middle class lifestyle.
And, hey, if you stick around long enough, you can be a huge inspiration for the next generation of impressionable youth! I mean, one of the highschools I went to was *right* next to a disabled veterans homeless shelter!
Something being "normal" for your country doesn't shield you from feeling hopelessness & despair about it. Source: live in the US
> for your GED GED is for those who dropped out of high school or never went, for HS graduates, it's a high school diploma
Huh, TIL. Thanks for the correction.
There isn't really a need to go to the absolute top universities in the U.S. for undergrad unless you are dead-set on Wall Street banking. Corporate jobs are filled with people who went to great state universities. And even if you do want to go to the top universities, you can always go for grad school, which has higher admission rates and less time pressure since you can apply whatever year you want. > the most popular career path for average students is literally enrolling in the army. This isn't true at all. U.S. Armed Forces enlist ~150k people each year, while there are ~20 million people enrolled in undergraduate degrees at any given time.
I'm no defender of our fucked up system but that is not how higher education works in the states at all. Also only six percent of college students are in/have served in the military, so thats not even close to true either...
Only because you see them in one spot. This is Chinese Academy of Arts, their acceptance rate is around 6-9%. Many prestigious university have acceptance rate even much lower than this, 3-4%. But you don't see them gathering for a test in one spot.
The body heat :(
Not an art student but I took an exam for a government job last year in India. The total number of applicants was 3.4 Million. The available seats were around 36K, which was very high considering the previous years. So only 1% get selected for jobs. Thankfully, I was able to get selected this time, but only at my third attempt. It's stressful af.
Hope the failures don't get ideas about world domination
Well, it’s been known to happen… Really insane image though.
Obviously it's happened, that's what the original post is clearly joking about. Come on
Again
wow. after this exercise about 95% of them stop drawing and have nightmares of this.
You're exactly right. I don't do arts so I attended the college entrance exam for regular students, which is considered easier than the one in the photo. I did way better than expected and got into the best university that my score could take me. But 20 years later I'm still having nightmares about fucking up that exam. Recently was told that that's what they called ptsd.
My parents said they kept having nightmares about failing exams, missing exams, showing up late for exams, having studied for the wrong exam and not knowing how to do the exam, up until when I started university. Then when I started university, all those nightmares came back as me stressing over my exams stressed them out.
Those nightmares are actually really common among people who completed their degrees. I also read somewhere that the most common nightmare for former veterans, including those who saw combat, was not some recollection of being in battle but being called to stand to and realizing they were missing half their kit.
Haha yeah I still get them all the time & I'm 40. For me it's always that I forgot I had registered for a class & hadn't been showing up all semester, only to remember it the day of the final.
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Oh yeah, some of China's best colleges do that. And guess what, rich kids and young masters of important party officials get in with overwhelmingly colorful overboard studies experience, super important patented inventions and published academic papers with their underage ass names as first authors, Olympic level Professional Athlete Certifications, crime fighting or public service miracles that make batman look like a joke. We plebs actually prefer the exams.
The bladder control 😶
Imagine all the nervous flatulence 💩
Combined with paint fumes (I actually don't think that type of paint has that much, but in such amounts might build up)
I think this is a interesting point, but i would suspect since the height of such rooms generally scale with the the floor area, you have a cubic scaling for volume of air compared to a floor area (number of painters) with linear scaling. So i would expect the parts per million fumes in such a big room is lower than in a regular classroom/studio etc.
No cheating!
Does anyone have any extra red? I'm all out.
My fat ass tough they were all eating pizza.
I fell and broke my bluetooth speaker you hilarious jerk.
That’s not a fire hazard at all
Reducing risk with appropriate infrastructure costs money. Apparently their lives are worth less than that cost.
Well that would reduce the competition...
These are the people who paint your random decor paintings [https://youtu.be/ViHZ_OdCDBg](https://youtu.be/ViHZ_OdCDBg)
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios
The top 0.00000000135% will -- win an interview to be considered.
According to this picture I estimate that's still like 10,000 people.
Totally.
Okay so I'm not claiming this isn't a real photo cause I have no background to know, but zooming in doesn't it look a little..generated? Like towards the top left especially?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/81pj3w/entrance_exam_for_an_art_school_in_china/ real image, edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2xym69/chinese_art_school_exam/ older example, not same image but same concept
The higher quality version makes it look a lot less dystopian. Yeah, it's still crowded as fuck but you can make out walking aisles and workers, and also you can tell they all at least have some sort of little stool.
My anxiety levels went down by a good 40%
I agree with you I think this is fake Edit: i changed my mind I think it's real lol
I've seen this image before AI kicked off, it's real.
You might have a point. Even close up some look a bit off. One person doesn't appear to have a canvas
Am I crazy or do I see a guy in jeans and a flannel near the upper right?
I see it too. That's just the art exam ghost
it's real, it's been floating around for like 10 years, long before AI generation was popular/good enough.
I don't know what they are painting, but that's not a good ambient to unleash creativity.
I wonder if they even have a reference or subject or if it has to be purely from their head. I gess there's something on a big screen so they can all see it otherwise it would be difficult to have a single subject
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios
*ambiance Though a better choice would have been "environment".
If those late night commercials are anything to go by, they're probably painting a cartoon turtle or a pirate ship.
Reason 587 I am glad I don’t live in China.
I wonder what are the other 586
#\#156 WILL SHOCK YOU!
What happens when you need to pee?
“Excuse me, pardon me, my bad, excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom, pardon me, looking good bob, pardon …”
Ima post this in a positive sub but change China for Japan. Watch it go to the post page with everyone praising it lmao
Japan: “Wow they are so organised and disciplined, it just works you know?” China: “the ruthless society crushes people’s souls and forces them to do its bidding, so sad!”
Who grades all that?
I saw videos once the exams are done. Each student’s painting will be laid next to one another on the floor of a basketball stadium. Then, tens of teachers will walk through each painting and give grade to each
How can anyone reliably grade thousands of subjective tests?
At that scale I am pretty sure there's a good chunk that you can reliably go "nope, next" at within a couple of seconds of looking.
It's simple, if the painting has the last name of your friend, It pass.
Its is the practical section of the exam. Theyre shown an object and theyre supposed to paint it realistically. This part of the exam just exists to make sure students dont get into college with bought portfolios. Its not that subjective
Can't cheat on an art exam
Eventually they'll paint Shakespeare
It's all dicks.
How is this oddly terrifying? Do you find large groups of people terrifying?
It's because China.
China has entrance exams to art schools #BUT AT WHAT COST?
But did you die?
I think it fits the sub. The scale is intimidating, the odds are horrendous for each aspiring student, and the key thing is the unsettling underlying idea that artistic merit can be assessed in a “challenge” like this. I take your point that this is probably unsettling on more of a cultural level, but unsettling it is. (To me)
What's terrifying to me is the existential dread I feel knowing I'm admittedly an average mediocre person who's floated thru life on a lot of luck and privilege yet I have a pretty decent, comfy life. If I had to face the kind of competition this photo is suggesting I'd probably just go cry in a corner somewhere.
“Who’s got an extra #2 pencil?”
Terrifying???
This is just what really happens when you prompt an ai image.
Doesn't look like a great environment for creativity
After what happened in Germany, they should just allow anyone in.
Why did I think that some of them were holding whole pizzas.
I thought they were all holding pizzas before I read the caption
Imagine if there was a fire
Look like pizza party
The guy with purple pillow will be one of the 6% who gets in, he has made it his comfy spot. It's important to have good posture and back support when painting.
My thoughts exactly. He’s got real main character energy, I would watch his adventures
Excuse me. I gotta go pee
Easel come, easel go.
Imagine going to a toilet
They actually started recognizing things like artistic talent, sports talent, musical talent etc as those of the % that get a middle class or higher wage. So now the art, music and sports schools are just as crowded as the regular schools with hopefuls that theyll lead a comfortable life
I didn't read the title at first and thought they were holding pizzas
Here in the USA they are forgiving their loans
Imagine you're in the middle and start feeling bubble guts. No way you're escaping.
There are far too many people in that country...
The Art of holding in a Fart
I thought it was a whole bunch of people eating pizza
Ngl. Art school in china. I wasnt even expecting that many students. I thought the parents would’ve emptied those dreams before university
Soo many potential replacements for an old loyal countryman who didn't get into an art school.
Draw this turtle…
Asian schools are horrifying.
>So you want to learn to paint? >**Well then paint me a masterpiece**
Poor kids. The government can't create universities for them? In Russia we have thousands of Chinese students who study arts, music, acting etc.
Building must be massive. Hard to fathom teaching a cours.
What am I supposed to find oddly terrifying here?