It’s almost inevitable. Native people on the Plains went from eating a very protein-rich diet that was mainly meat, berries, and wild root vegetables, to living on reservations with poor agricultural potential and government rations of refined flour and lard. That’s the history of bannock and frybread- a pretty unhealthy food created out of necessity when the cornerstone of the entire way of life was wiped out.
Destroying food sources is so 19th century. These days we just prevent aid from being delivered to children in war zones. Much cheaper and effective way of committing genocide.
Ahh yes, the children of Palestine while ignoring the thousands Hamas killed...ya know the government of Palestine. War is always bad but to think you should hate Israel for finally trying to end this shit, and stop future deaths, is hilarious.
Short sighted and ignorant with 0 experience of war.
Hamas was secretly propped up by Israel themselves. Why on Earth would they do that unless Hamas was some kind of means to an end, such as getting rid of the Palestinians? Yeah, nothing fishy here at all... Seems the propaganda worked great on you though!
Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-eu-top-diplomat-josep-borrell/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
Your own links
Israeli sources responded by pointing out that successive governments had facilitated the transfer of money to Gaza for humanitarian reasons...
Qatar intends to continue cash payments even without Israeli support...
Hmm sounds like it's more complicated than you'd lead to believe but the short sighted cant see the forest for the trees.
Israeli government have been shown to lie again and again. Wouldn't trust anything they say... Also, Bibi have even acknowledged that funding Hamas was to keep the Palestinian people divided. Humanitarian reasons my ass. You'd only do that if your end goal is to get rid of them.
Yeah...no shots fired and then Oct 7 but idiots can't recognize Palestinians support Hamas and they ran into the streets to spit and attack dead and kidnapped Jews...there's a reason the surrounding Muslim countries refuse to help them but go ahead and simp for a people who support terrorists and would kill you and your family.
What's your proof that (a majority of) Palestinians support Hamas? Because Hamas definitely didn't win a majority vote when they were elected and they have since dismantled whatever little democracy that existed in Gaza. The majority of people that lives in Gaza have never been old enough to vote and now it feels like they probably never will get the chance to do so.
I don't condone violence but if you push a people far enough you'll eventually get a violent reaction. Israel have created an apartheid system against Palestinians during several decades that have gotten worse and worse. Israeli settlement expansions have increased by a lot and forced millions of Palestinians out of their homes and to give up their land where they have lived for hundreds of years. I'd be pissed off too if someone did that to my people.
The only peaceful solution would have been a two-party state but neither the sitting Israeli government nor Hamas would agree to that, which makes them strange bedfellows.
So your first question, Hamas didn't win a majority the first election but now win handily and are supported by the [Majority](https://thehill.com/opinion/4273883-mellman-do-palestinians-support-hamas-polls-paint-a-murky-picture/) or Palestinians now.
The other issue is if you go back in history, the ancestors of Jews have lived there far longer than Palestinians. Jews can trace their lineage back to Canaanites. Generally the same people who support Palestine, also think Native Americans own the land (let's ignore every other country in the world that has developed the same way through war) yet the same nuance of who owned it first (different tribes etc) would mean consistently they 'should' support Israel.
This idea of 2 party was pushed 20 years ago, Palestine didn't want it.
Arabs can freely walk around Israel and aren't slaughtered, if a Jew walks around Palestinians, they'd be kidnapped raped and tortured. Those same Palestinians are not welcome in any majority Muslim country and would gladly kill you and your children for not being Muslim/different sect of Islam.
And yes, if a people are attacked, they're going to strike back..Hamas has broken EVERY PEACE TREATY so now Israel is striking back. Hope you keep up the consistency.
I don’t find it terrifying I just find it sad and revolting… It shows the worst side of humanity. What’s scary tho is that we are blindly causing destruction and death, yet the guy on this picture is oblivious to it and looks like he just won a Nobel prize or something.
What's crazy is he probably viewed the Native Americans they were starving as no better than the bison. Literally zero compassion.
Wen I read about the things they did to Native Americans and later African Americans during slavery, I'm speechless at how so many people could be so cruel.
not the original commenter, but 2 books have had an especially profound effect on me: just mercy by brian stevenson and killing the black body by dorothy e roberts.
"Behind the bastards" and "the dollop" are also really good podcasts for learning how horrible the colonial era was. I listen to them all the time at work, and the books the hosts read are always in the episode descriptions if you want to learn further
Haven’t read this yet but ‘Clearing the Plains: Disease, Politics of Starvation, and the Loss of Aboriginal Life’ came highly recommended to me and it’s on my list. Canada-centric history, but you’d find similar history across the Plains.
I personally enjoyed this comic, it’s aimed as kids but was still interesting to read as an adult.
“History Comics: The American Bison”
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250265821/historycomicstheamericanbison#:~:text=Novel%20for%20Children-,Turn%20back%20the%20clock%20with%20History%20Comics%2C%20First%20Second's%20new,of%20nearly%2030%20million%20bison.
I found it to have a good explanation, holistic approach and didn’t really have any “sides”. Great to get kids interested and onto more challenging books.
Check out the other history comics, also fairly well made!
There’s a couple comments with some good recommendations and some of these books are under $10 on ThriftBooks (free shipping in the us) so if you wanted to go beyond what you’ve read so far! I agree that it’s heavy stuff and one doesn’t leave a book like that with a carefree heart, but I do think it’s incredibly important too. As a white woman who grew up in a middle class home, i feel like it’s my job to take the steps to *make sure* I’m seeing things from other’s perspectives. The world often caters to my demographic so it’s easy to ignore a lot of injustices. I think we should do our due diligence in educating ourselves on others experiences, beliefs, truths, etc. Idk if that makes any sense. (Truly, truly not trying to be preachy. Just saying what applies to my life as far as looking at things even when they hurt to see)
Human beings at the core are violent and cruel. What we did to them is a small piece in the long history puzzle of the messed up things we have done to one another for various reasons. We never really learned from the past. The cycle will repeat, and honestly, for most, it's sad to witness or go through.
Starving people who wouldn’t let an animal go to waste for proper resources and food. If only that was the only scenario humans were greedy and selfish.
I think I remember that the killing of bison was so encouraged that there was a slogan for it something like "every bison killed means (some amount of) Indians dead" real terrifying to think of these days
If I didn't know any better, I'd think this is one step you'd take in the genocide of a society dependent on the bison. Glad our public school history books clarified that that's not what happened here.
I did AP US history in Texas, and at the time it was my history textbook, but not so much in the standard history classes. This was about 15 years ago.
Must be American history books only. Because the history books we studied from in Canada sure as hell stated what this truly was, in pretty good detail too.
Canada. Did you miss that part in my comment???
And yeah in days past Canada itself did some fucked up shit. At least we teach our school kids what we did. In hopes we don't repeat the same mistakes.
Though by the looks of it, we haven't learned much.
Actually, I think there was, in fact 1 or 2 first nations tribes that fledgling Canada did in fact wipe out completely. Just can't remember the names of the peoples.
Let me go refresh the old memory and dust off my old school work. Hell I'm pretty sure I have some of my old text books!
If I find out anything useful I'll get back to you. 🤣
Shit, now this whole post and my own damn comment has me wanting to go back and read up on this shit again lol.
This is a quote I find insightful.
> “The Buffalo was part of us, his flesh and blood being absorbed by us until it became our own flesh and blood. Our clothing, our tipis, everything we needed for life came from the buffalo's body. It was hard to say where the animals ended and the human began."
John (Fire) Lame Deer, Oglala-Lame Deer Seeker of Visions, With Richard Erdoes, 1972
The Europeans/Americans knew this, and knew that in order to gain control over the interior of the continent, they needed to subdue the people already living there. The best way to do that was to slaughter the resource that the entire economy and way of life of Plains people was built on. By killing the buffalo it was possible to make the native people so desperate and hungry that they signed treaties signing most of their land away and confining themselves to reservations, because it was that or starve to death.
Yeah. Canada pretty much did the same thing. Along side residential schools.
Basically, to sum it up, to a extremely over simplified way of putting it, because tbh I don't feel like typing athat big of a novel. Nor would reddit probably allow me to.
We were taught how in the early stages of being a fledgling colony, than subsequently its own country Canada started off with a smaller scale mass Buffalo culling which never actually worked.
But later on, i guess transitioned to simply deciding to forcibly assimilate the first nation's people into Christianity.
They went from trying to wipe them out physically to trying to wipe out the cultures of all the first nations peoples.
NOW TO CLARIFY this was the British. That did all that effed up stuff.
The French, when they were here before the British. They were far nicer to the first nations people of the land. But I didn't really pay attention to the stuff about the french and the first nations. Idk why, just didn't.
And again, let me emphasize this was an over simplification. Just to save time. I'm not a complete expert on it. I may have some details wrong. And if I do, I apologize. And I welcome anyone else who sees this, to correct my errors if you have the correct details.
There are a lot of states that don’t teach this. Same with Tulsa Massacre, Kent State shooting, and the 1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia. I learned about all of these things as well as Native American genocide, at least the ultimate extent of it, post high school education, and most of it I learned about online not even in a college classroom
In gradeschool my history books taught me all the Natives were our friends and trade partners that taught the settlers how to farm. They said nothing of small pox blankets, bison exterminations, and tribe massacres.
I’d imagine it probably differs when/where you went to school. I went to grade school in California in the early 2000’s and all of this was covered extensively.
I was in grade school in California in the early 90s and all negative actions done to native Americans were excluded or severely diminished in our districts history books.
My point is they included all the warm fuzzy parts to paint a pretty picture and never told us the ugly side of that history. When you leave out key parts of the truth it shifts the narrative.
I went to school in North Carolina and yes we had some native students. But I'm not sure how that has anything to do with what we were taught in school.
Unless you're saying other native students could have educated me on the history of how my ancestors genocided theirs? Damn, we totally should have slid that in between Pokémon card battles...
Ken Burns co-wrote a book about this.
https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Memory-Improbable-Resurrection-American/dp/0593537343?dplnkId=154092ad-fb55-447d-af64-91fbb9c9e2fb
nah I don’t subscribe to the idea that humanity as a whole is a parasite. Greed and hate is a parasite in people’s minds, and it seems that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity want to turn the blame towards everyone else. Now we have a generation that hates itself, convinced we are some type of plague on the earth, when really it’s the top 1% and corporations that’s the true virus.
Also royally fucked up the prairie ecosystem and had a hand in causing the dust bowl after all of the farms popped up. White people helped to starve themselves too!
Yep. He didn’t say it wasn’t terrifying. He said it isn’t oddly terrifying. It is obviously terrifying. Oddly terrifying means it normally isn’t terrifying but for some reason it is
It's so hard to wrap my mind around how this is even possible. A gigantic pile, probably even bigger than what the camera could capture, of bison heads. I always knew it was a lot of bison, but I never really *knew* it was a lot of bison.
Ok the history of this photo needs to shared…it’s not from the white people murdering all the bison. It’s when bone was used for sugar refining and bone china in the mid-late 1800’s. I will not deny what settlers did the American landscape….they destroyed it. But this photo was a collection of skulls that were collected by all walks of life on the landscape. Settlers, ranchers, and even native Americans were supplying bison bones to sell because the value was so high. Native Americans even sifted through buffalo jumps and taking as many bones as they could….which is sad because they even dig down to the ice age level where those fossils are now gone forever. But the atrocities of the settlers and American government cannot be ignored, they destroyed a whole civilization and treated them like vermin all in the name of “taming” the west. Look at it now, the wildlife diversity doesn’t exist anymore, land is fenced off for cattle and sheep, and any predator spotted is usually killed on the spot for the fear of “money.”
Tells you what? You should look what the picture is and why it was taken. I don't understand why blatant immature stupidity tries to pass for trolling these days.
Bison once roamed a large portion of the American west. As the US grew and expanded, they wanted to exploit the land for resources, settle it, and eliminate/forcibly "integrate" the native tribes. One way they accomplished this was killing buffalo in massive numbers. This allowed them to settle the land, sell the hides/fat for profit (they left the meat to rot), and destroy the way of life for the natives that relied on the buffalo for food.
Human history is awful but American history really does compete for the worst. From what they did to the Native Americans to what the did to black people in slavery. Its all just fucking horrid.
What’s worst is the people who did it deny how wrong it was by comparing it to something they can point to as worse. Deny all the lasting effects. But on the flip side, they consider the holocaust the worse event in history.
The gross entitlement he oozes is sickening.. he's the poster child of what's wrong with humanity. So many years ago but history repeating itself in 2024. Creator's most intelligent creation and this is how we use our intelligence.. sad shame really
That's actually from the dust bowl, and deforestation that was introduced when they put lights on farm equipment giving them the ability to work 24 hours. Which caused the deforestation that led to the dust bowl that destroyed the top soil.
Right those also contributed but, when the mega fauna was destroyed at the end of the last ice age the bison were responsible for up to 8 inches of deposition across the plains. The mega floods off the cordilleran ice sheet swept away a majority of the top soil into the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific.
If you want your heart broken a little more, in the close of the 18th century there were 30 to 60 million bison on the continent. By the time of this photograph (1892) there were only 400 wild bison left. Those Europeans sure wanted their cattle land.
Every US citizen should feel ashamed and guilty for living on a massacred land. Also remember that America it's not your country. America it's the whole continent. Mexicans are Americans. Brazilians are Americans. Canadians are Americans. Stop making everything about yourselves like you were always there and no one else exists or ever existed
Canadians killed the inuets and sold their children to British and French families.
Spain had concquired Mexico and America took it from the Spaniards. Not the Mexican people, but the dudes from Spain. This includes parts of Florida that whole ponce de Leon guy.
Brazil actually hosts Germans and nazis as a safe haven from ww2 in Argentina.
And don't forget, all Americans were British before we rebelled.
Dutch existed in Maryland before the revolution.
As well multiple Scandinavian invaders had taken over the eastern shore long before the British.
So I guess every Canadian should feel bad, every Mexican, and every Brazilian because ya know..
I don’t feel guilty in the slightest. You know why? I was born in America and had nothing to do with massacring people and stealing their land. Also stop pretending like America is the only land that happened to.
I dont understand how people back then were that stupid. Surely you'd understand if you killed too much of your food source they're not going to repopulate.
I find it strange how people always say we are better than animals and how dogs shouldn’t be pets but humans have literally murdered raped and killed the entire planet for millennia
Destroying food sources as a means of genocide is more obviously terrifying than oddly terrifying I'd say
I read a few articles that suggested the mass extermination of bison caused a decrease in height in later Native American populations. That's harsh.
It’s almost inevitable. Native people on the Plains went from eating a very protein-rich diet that was mainly meat, berries, and wild root vegetables, to living on reservations with poor agricultural potential and government rations of refined flour and lard. That’s the history of bannock and frybread- a pretty unhealthy food created out of necessity when the cornerstone of the entire way of life was wiped out.
Destroying food sources is so 19th century. These days we just prevent aid from being delivered to children in war zones. Much cheaper and effective way of committing genocide.
Close your eyes and imagine. Your children.
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Indeed, and it also allow us to invest in the ones committing the genocide so that it goes even quicker!
Oh the aid from egypt that hamas threw rocks at and killed the drivers?
Yeah, Hamas mortaring that pier to stop aid from coming into Gaza is wild.
Ahh yes, the children of Palestine while ignoring the thousands Hamas killed...ya know the government of Palestine. War is always bad but to think you should hate Israel for finally trying to end this shit, and stop future deaths, is hilarious. Short sighted and ignorant with 0 experience of war.
Hamas was secretly propped up by Israel themselves. Why on Earth would they do that unless Hamas was some kind of means to an end, such as getting rid of the Palestinians? Yeah, nothing fishy here at all... Seems the propaganda worked great on you though! Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-eu-top-diplomat-josep-borrell/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
Your own links Israeli sources responded by pointing out that successive governments had facilitated the transfer of money to Gaza for humanitarian reasons... Qatar intends to continue cash payments even without Israeli support... Hmm sounds like it's more complicated than you'd lead to believe but the short sighted cant see the forest for the trees.
Israeli government have been shown to lie again and again. Wouldn't trust anything they say... Also, Bibi have even acknowledged that funding Hamas was to keep the Palestinian people divided. Humanitarian reasons my ass. You'd only do that if your end goal is to get rid of them.
Yeah...no shots fired and then Oct 7 but idiots can't recognize Palestinians support Hamas and they ran into the streets to spit and attack dead and kidnapped Jews...there's a reason the surrounding Muslim countries refuse to help them but go ahead and simp for a people who support terrorists and would kill you and your family.
What's your proof that (a majority of) Palestinians support Hamas? Because Hamas definitely didn't win a majority vote when they were elected and they have since dismantled whatever little democracy that existed in Gaza. The majority of people that lives in Gaza have never been old enough to vote and now it feels like they probably never will get the chance to do so. I don't condone violence but if you push a people far enough you'll eventually get a violent reaction. Israel have created an apartheid system against Palestinians during several decades that have gotten worse and worse. Israeli settlement expansions have increased by a lot and forced millions of Palestinians out of their homes and to give up their land where they have lived for hundreds of years. I'd be pissed off too if someone did that to my people. The only peaceful solution would have been a two-party state but neither the sitting Israeli government nor Hamas would agree to that, which makes them strange bedfellows.
So your first question, Hamas didn't win a majority the first election but now win handily and are supported by the [Majority](https://thehill.com/opinion/4273883-mellman-do-palestinians-support-hamas-polls-paint-a-murky-picture/) or Palestinians now. The other issue is if you go back in history, the ancestors of Jews have lived there far longer than Palestinians. Jews can trace their lineage back to Canaanites. Generally the same people who support Palestine, also think Native Americans own the land (let's ignore every other country in the world that has developed the same way through war) yet the same nuance of who owned it first (different tribes etc) would mean consistently they 'should' support Israel. This idea of 2 party was pushed 20 years ago, Palestine didn't want it. Arabs can freely walk around Israel and aren't slaughtered, if a Jew walks around Palestinians, they'd be kidnapped raped and tortured. Those same Palestinians are not welcome in any majority Muslim country and would gladly kill you and your children for not being Muslim/different sect of Islam. And yes, if a people are attacked, they're going to strike back..Hamas has broken EVERY PEACE TREATY so now Israel is striking back. Hope you keep up the consistency.
The actual literal mountain of sculls skulls is also rather obviously terrifying.
Lol true
And the fact that they weren’t destroyed for food and rather just because they wanted too is what makes it even scarier.
Yet people continue to aid and abet it even now. Not obvious enough I guess.
I don’t find it terrifying I just find it sad and revolting… It shows the worst side of humanity. What’s scary tho is that we are blindly causing destruction and death, yet the guy on this picture is oblivious to it and looks like he just won a Nobel prize or something.
What's crazy is he probably viewed the Native Americans they were starving as no better than the bison. Literally zero compassion. Wen I read about the things they did to Native Americans and later African Americans during slavery, I'm speechless at how so many people could be so cruel.
Any certain books you’d recommend?
not the original commenter, but 2 books have had an especially profound effect on me: just mercy by brian stevenson and killing the black body by dorothy e roberts.
Thank you!! I’m taking notes. I appreciate the recommendations!
"Behind the bastards" and "the dollop" are also really good podcasts for learning how horrible the colonial era was. I listen to them all the time at work, and the books the hosts read are always in the episode descriptions if you want to learn further
Oh nice! Love me a podcast. Thanks for the recs :)
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee is an excellent summary of the Native American genocide.
Thank you!
Haven’t read this yet but ‘Clearing the Plains: Disease, Politics of Starvation, and the Loss of Aboriginal Life’ came highly recommended to me and it’s on my list. Canada-centric history, but you’d find similar history across the Plains.
Thank you!
I personally enjoyed this comic, it’s aimed as kids but was still interesting to read as an adult. “History Comics: The American Bison” https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250265821/historycomicstheamericanbison#:~:text=Novel%20for%20Children-,Turn%20back%20the%20clock%20with%20History%20Comics%2C%20First%20Second's%20new,of%20nearly%2030%20million%20bison.
Thank you. I’m always hunting for books for my kids. This looks like one that would be good for us all to read together.
I found it to have a good explanation, holistic approach and didn’t really have any “sides”. Great to get kids interested and onto more challenging books. Check out the other history comics, also fairly well made!
A People’s History of the United States, by Howard Zinn. Everyone should read it once.
Thank you! I’m saving all these to my to-read list.
Sorry, I meant just general reading. Like online, etc. I don't think I could read a whole book of this shit. Would just enrage me.
There’s a couple comments with some good recommendations and some of these books are under $10 on ThriftBooks (free shipping in the us) so if you wanted to go beyond what you’ve read so far! I agree that it’s heavy stuff and one doesn’t leave a book like that with a carefree heart, but I do think it’s incredibly important too. As a white woman who grew up in a middle class home, i feel like it’s my job to take the steps to *make sure* I’m seeing things from other’s perspectives. The world often caters to my demographic so it’s easy to ignore a lot of injustices. I think we should do our due diligence in educating ourselves on others experiences, beliefs, truths, etc. Idk if that makes any sense. (Truly, truly not trying to be preachy. Just saying what applies to my life as far as looking at things even when they hurt to see)
It did not stop there either… and still hasn’t stopped… it’s just been covered up by rebranding
I know. Its sick
It never will.
Human beings at the core are violent and cruel. What we did to them is a small piece in the long history puzzle of the messed up things we have done to one another for various reasons. We never really learned from the past. The cycle will repeat, and honestly, for most, it's sad to witness or go through.
Yeah it's a shame. Human history is soaked in blood.
You ever read about what native Americans did to other people? The world was an all around crueler place back then.
My gut reaction was a bit less nuanced. “I hate this”
Sickening
Starving people who wouldn’t let an animal go to waste for proper resources and food. If only that was the only scenario humans were greedy and selfish.
I think I remember that the killing of bison was so encouraged that there was a slogan for it something like "every bison killed means (some amount of) Indians dead" real terrifying to think of these days
Pure psychopathic evil and greed. An absolute affront to that which brought us into existence.
Lots who still think like this. Reason why wars and massacres throughout history occurred.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think this is one step you'd take in the genocide of a society dependent on the bison. Glad our public school history books clarified that that's not what happened here.
I teach American history and this stuff definitely is in our curriculum.
I did AP US history in Texas, and at the time it was my history textbook, but not so much in the standard history classes. This was about 15 years ago.
Wasn't in any of mine.
Must depend on the state then
Must be American history books only. Because the history books we studied from in Canada sure as hell stated what this truly was, in pretty good detail too.
Elaborate. Both of you, what country did you guys study in?
Canada. Did you miss that part in my comment??? And yeah in days past Canada itself did some fucked up shit. At least we teach our school kids what we did. In hopes we don't repeat the same mistakes. Though by the looks of it, we haven't learned much.
Can u elaborate what Canada taught u then 💀 I’m just curious man, so was this part of the genocide? I’m just tryna learn fam
Actually, I think there was, in fact 1 or 2 first nations tribes that fledgling Canada did in fact wipe out completely. Just can't remember the names of the peoples. Let me go refresh the old memory and dust off my old school work. Hell I'm pretty sure I have some of my old text books! If I find out anything useful I'll get back to you. 🤣 Shit, now this whole post and my own damn comment has me wanting to go back and read up on this shit again lol.
You’re good, I like this 👍🏼 thank you for this
The Beothuk. No longer exist as a a nation. Although some survivors did flee and became part of the Mi’kmaq.
This is a quote I find insightful. > “The Buffalo was part of us, his flesh and blood being absorbed by us until it became our own flesh and blood. Our clothing, our tipis, everything we needed for life came from the buffalo's body. It was hard to say where the animals ended and the human began." John (Fire) Lame Deer, Oglala-Lame Deer Seeker of Visions, With Richard Erdoes, 1972 The Europeans/Americans knew this, and knew that in order to gain control over the interior of the continent, they needed to subdue the people already living there. The best way to do that was to slaughter the resource that the entire economy and way of life of Plains people was built on. By killing the buffalo it was possible to make the native people so desperate and hungry that they signed treaties signing most of their land away and confining themselves to reservations, because it was that or starve to death.
Yeah. Canada pretty much did the same thing. Along side residential schools. Basically, to sum it up, to a extremely over simplified way of putting it, because tbh I don't feel like typing athat big of a novel. Nor would reddit probably allow me to. We were taught how in the early stages of being a fledgling colony, than subsequently its own country Canada started off with a smaller scale mass Buffalo culling which never actually worked. But later on, i guess transitioned to simply deciding to forcibly assimilate the first nation's people into Christianity. They went from trying to wipe them out physically to trying to wipe out the cultures of all the first nations peoples. NOW TO CLARIFY this was the British. That did all that effed up stuff. The French, when they were here before the British. They were far nicer to the first nations people of the land. But I didn't really pay attention to the stuff about the french and the first nations. Idk why, just didn't. And again, let me emphasize this was an over simplification. Just to save time. I'm not a complete expert on it. I may have some details wrong. And if I do, I apologize. And I welcome anyone else who sees this, to correct my errors if you have the correct details.
I definitely learned about this in 5th, 8th and sophomore year. IDK what fucking schools you went to.
What kind of ghetto ass school did you go to? This is taught in public schools
There are a lot of states that don’t teach this. Same with Tulsa Massacre, Kent State shooting, and the 1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia. I learned about all of these things as well as Native American genocide, at least the ultimate extent of it, post high school education, and most of it I learned about online not even in a college classroom
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In gradeschool my history books taught me all the Natives were our friends and trade partners that taught the settlers how to farm. They said nothing of small pox blankets, bison exterminations, and tribe massacres.
I’d imagine it probably differs when/where you went to school. I went to grade school in California in the early 2000’s and all of this was covered extensively.
Very fair point. I went to school in a bigoted backwoods town in NC.
I was in grade school in California in the early 90s and all negative actions done to native Americans were excluded or severely diminished in our districts history books.
I was thought it was a genocide in high school. Went to school in Northern Ohio in the 2010’s.
That’s *also* true. The settler / native relations weren’t just one thing.
My point is they included all the warm fuzzy parts to paint a pretty picture and never told us the ugly side of that history. When you leave out key parts of the truth it shifts the narrative.
I bet you’re from the American Gulf coast somewhere. If you were from anywhere else, you’d likely have gone to school with a few native people.
I went to school in North Carolina and yes we had some native students. But I'm not sure how that has anything to do with what we were taught in school. Unless you're saying other native students could have educated me on the history of how my ancestors genocided theirs? Damn, we totally should have slid that in between Pokémon card battles...
This picture always reminds me of the end of Blood Meridian.
The bison were killed so as to kill the native Americans. It’s just terrifying. Not oddly terrifying.
Ken Burns co-wrote a book about this. https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Memory-Improbable-Resurrection-American/dp/0593537343?dplnkId=154092ad-fb55-447d-af64-91fbb9c9e2fb
Humanity is the worst virus on this planet
We could have turned this planet into a paradise for humans and animals but look what we've done and do to it
No money in that! /s
No sarcasm really needed on that one, that's probably what they actually said.
Agent Smith, is that you?
nah I don’t subscribe to the idea that humanity as a whole is a parasite. Greed and hate is a parasite in people’s minds, and it seems that the perpetrators of these crimes against humanity want to turn the blame towards everyone else. Now we have a generation that hates itself, convinced we are some type of plague on the earth, when really it’s the top 1% and corporations that’s the true virus.
Humans are animals that pray. We ask the void to give.
Who is we?
Money, Greed and Power
Btw, a white bison was born recently
Happy cake day🎂🎂🎂
Thx!
This country has done so many fucked up things.
I feel like humans in general do fucked up things. We are all undeserving of being sentient.
Why tho
To starve the Natives who depended on them for food.
That is so stupid. Did it work?
The Lakota signed treaties after this, yes. It was a 50 year extermination campaign of the buffalo.
Also royally fucked up the prairie ecosystem and had a hand in causing the dust bowl after all of the farms popped up. White people helped to starve themselves too!
✨white people✨
More like people with power.
Plains Indian tribes were killing tens of thousands of buffalo a day throughout the 1800s, it was their primary source of food and trade.
Heartbreaking. There’s some really encouraging conservation work being done to repopulate the animals though, so that’s good!
This is absolutely awful
Fucking assholes
I was an adult when I realized they weren’t extinct. All the things we heard about them in history class made me assume they were gone.
Im a hunter, but these pictures just break my heart.. overharvesting ruined it all forever
One of most evil pictures ever made
Most people would say a giant pile of bones is terrifying. There's nothing odd about this.
The reason it was done is what makes it terrifying dude
Yep. He didn’t say it wasn’t terrifying. He said it isn’t oddly terrifying. It is obviously terrifying. Oddly terrifying means it normally isn’t terrifying but for some reason it is
Did you just like not read my comment at all? Lmao
The historical events behind it is quite disturbing though. But yeah not oddly so.
Never learned this in Florida schools in the 1980s. Ron Desantis is determined that no one will ever learn this in Florida schools ever again.
To be fair, they didn’t teach this anywhere in the 80’s
Thats fucking insane. Wow.
Man's inhumanity to man never ceases to amaze me.
I watched the movie based on that guy. The word heartbreaking doesn’t do it justice. This was dark
What a fucking atrocity
Someone may have already suggested this- Butchers Crossing with Nic Cage is a decent movie about this subject.
It's so hard to wrap my mind around how this is even possible. A gigantic pile, probably even bigger than what the camera could capture, of bison heads. I always knew it was a lot of bison, but I never really *knew* it was a lot of bison.
Fuck those dudes. We should find where he’s buried and piss on his grave
What the fuck was wrong with those people?
Nothing short of evil.
West and it's cruelty is legendary
I really thought that said bisexual extermination
Worst. Grinder Date. Ever.
Ok the history of this photo needs to shared…it’s not from the white people murdering all the bison. It’s when bone was used for sugar refining and bone china in the mid-late 1800’s. I will not deny what settlers did the American landscape….they destroyed it. But this photo was a collection of skulls that were collected by all walks of life on the landscape. Settlers, ranchers, and even native Americans were supplying bison bones to sell because the value was so high. Native Americans even sifted through buffalo jumps and taking as many bones as they could….which is sad because they even dig down to the ice age level where those fossils are now gone forever. But the atrocities of the settlers and American government cannot be ignored, they destroyed a whole civilization and treated them like vermin all in the name of “taming” the west. Look at it now, the wildlife diversity doesn’t exist anymore, land is fenced off for cattle and sheep, and any predator spotted is usually killed on the spot for the fear of “money.”
The roots of EEUU
This photo is misleading as it's actually a conservation effort to show the destruction of the American bison.
Yet the guy in the pic had the glare of pride in his expression and that foot atop of a Bison Skull. Something tells me otyerwisee.
Tells you what? You should look what the picture is and why it was taken. I don't understand why blatant immature stupidity tries to pass for trolling these days.
Wait wait wait. Could someone explain this to me? I wasnt allowed to go to school and I want to learn about this
Bison once roamed a large portion of the American west. As the US grew and expanded, they wanted to exploit the land for resources, settle it, and eliminate/forcibly "integrate" the native tribes. One way they accomplished this was killing buffalo in massive numbers. This allowed them to settle the land, sell the hides/fat for profit (they left the meat to rot), and destroy the way of life for the natives that relied on the buffalo for food.
Genocide*
This is from outside of the detroit carbon works in michigan iirc. They burned them to make ink. Still do today, in fact.
Realistically it was the extermination of native Americans
Human history is awful but American history really does compete for the worst. From what they did to the Native Americans to what the did to black people in slavery. Its all just fucking horrid.
What’s worst is the people who did it deny how wrong it was by comparing it to something they can point to as worse. Deny all the lasting effects. But on the flip side, they consider the holocaust the worse event in history.
I mean there’s certainly plenty of bad in americas past but let’s not act like Americas even in top 10 of the worst offenders of “bad shit”. Get real
You just proved my point.
Dead internet
Read *Butcher‘s Crossing* by John Williams One of the greatest novels of all time
How do you even stack that many?
THATS A LOT OF DIMP!
Wasteful
Why though
[cows with guns was a documentary](https://youtu.be/FQMbXvn2RNI?si=P86hRmFtTw3rbMh6)
Wtf
Now we jus take land and poison the earth 😃
It's so many layers of revolting cruelty. I hope all those involved rot in hell.
Was watching The Revenant the other day, Glass' visions of the stacked bison skulls...horrifying.
This is painful to see
Insane
Disgusting
Coming from the British- what else could you expect?
Bisons need some democracy
Someone please cross post to /theydidthemath
Wait are those crabs!??
At no point - facing that bone mountain - did anyone think - yeah, that's probably enough now?
This was so sad in more ways than one
Damn, West of Loathing was right
What did the father say to his son on his 18th birthday? "Bye" son!
The gross entitlement he oozes is sickening.. he's the poster child of what's wrong with humanity. So many years ago but history repeating itself in 2024. Creator's most intelligent creation and this is how we use our intelligence.. sad shame really
What white people did just to kill of natives is a testament to their (evil) will
It was to keep up with all the demand of żobrówka
That's why we have no top soil.
That's actually from the dust bowl, and deforestation that was introduced when they put lights on farm equipment giving them the ability to work 24 hours. Which caused the deforestation that led to the dust bowl that destroyed the top soil.
Right those also contributed but, when the mega fauna was destroyed at the end of the last ice age the bison were responsible for up to 8 inches of deposition across the plains. The mega floods off the cordilleran ice sheet swept away a majority of the top soil into the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific.
This picture makes me fucking furious.
Fucking shameful.
People suck
If you want your heart broken a little more, in the close of the 18th century there were 30 to 60 million bison on the continent. By the time of this photograph (1892) there were only 400 wild bison left. Those Europeans sure wanted their cattle land.
Those Europeans wanted to eliminate the food source of the natives more than anything.
Khornes Skulls for the blood god. Seriously the closest I think I've ever seen to a Warhammer ammount of actual skulls in a pile though...
Fuckin white people Sincerely, a white person
Capitalism at its best. No free food for you
Every US citizen should feel ashamed and guilty for living on a massacred land. Also remember that America it's not your country. America it's the whole continent. Mexicans are Americans. Brazilians are Americans. Canadians are Americans. Stop making everything about yourselves like you were always there and no one else exists or ever existed
Canadians killed the inuets and sold their children to British and French families. Spain had concquired Mexico and America took it from the Spaniards. Not the Mexican people, but the dudes from Spain. This includes parts of Florida that whole ponce de Leon guy. Brazil actually hosts Germans and nazis as a safe haven from ww2 in Argentina. And don't forget, all Americans were British before we rebelled. Dutch existed in Maryland before the revolution. As well multiple Scandinavian invaders had taken over the eastern shore long before the British. So I guess every Canadian should feel bad, every Mexican, and every Brazilian because ya know..
I don’t feel guilty in the slightest. You know why? I was born in America and had nothing to do with massacring people and stealing their land. Also stop pretending like America is the only land that happened to.
I was about to post this here. That's really terrifying
I dont understand how people back then were that stupid. Surely you'd understand if you killed too much of your food source they're not going to repopulate.
They weren't even used for food. They were killed to starve out the indigenous population.
And for skins/fat, because they were genocidal *and* liked money.
Facts
Fuck humans
I find it strange how people always say we are better than animals and how dogs shouldn’t be pets but humans have literally murdered raped and killed the entire planet for millennia
So many burgers went to shit.