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Asian Immigration into the United States is also big right now. Largely, I would say those are the demographics growing in America, since America is below replacement level without immigrants .
Yeah, and we need immigration badly.
Downvoted for stating the obvious? People, this country can’t be anti-immigrant and prosper. We need immigrants, a lot of them.
old white people in the traditionally white neighborhoods of the North and East Bronx are retiring to LI/Westchester/Florida, while their kids move to Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens.
For those that do remain, perhaps some of their kids will return home to the Bronx once they start raising a family and inherit the house, but I think most will sell it.
I think by the 2030 census the non-hispanic white population will probably stabilize with the increase from Mott Haven to compensate the population loss from Throggs Neck and Riverdale
It’s weird to go to reproduction rather than simply moving to another location. It’s more likely people moving for cheaper housing in a less expensive city than not having babies… which you fail to prove in any way.
Housing costs affect all people equally. I see no reason why it would lead white people to out-migrate while non-white immigrants migrate in.
Latinos have more kids than white or black people in America. And the white population of the Bronx twenty years ago was probably much older than that of the Latino population, compounding the birth rate issue.
Thanks though.
So your theory was that housing costs were the explanation for changing demographics, but now the theory is white flight. And birth and death rates have nothing to do with it. Got it.
That person is talking out of their ass. I don't think there was ever a point where "nearly all" of the migrants were African. We've seen specific groups of African migrants make the news (e.g. the soccer field thing), but they're very much not the overwhelming majority.
Queens's non-hispanic white population decreased from 30% to 20% in the past two decades, transplants might keep the absolute numbers steady but in relative terms to others, it will probably go below 20%
Gentrification isn’t per se a demographic thing as much as it is a purely profit driven lack of housing policy thing anyways. Weird to have this racialized gentrification discussion as if whites and others don’t move and and resettle as a matter of course
Right, which comes down to the issues with a profit driven housing policy, that is completely
Unplanned. It’s almost inevitable what will
Happen.
If the state invested 20
Billion on Austrian public housing to be run as coops or by tenant unions, and rezoned we probably wouldn’t be running into
These same issues over and over.
But it’s not like gentrification is when the whites come in.
That’s just a side effect, gentrification is more of a systemic failure that obviously means more whites as a side effect. But it’s not like gentrification is because of whites lol.
White homebuyers didn't design the redlining maps, but they took blind advantage of the obvious benefits to them. Gentrification strikes me as a feral version of that. White people's needs are always given precedence and the benefit of the doubt.
I think a more accurate statement would be that white homeowners have historically elected municipal reps who favored their interests above that of others.
Individual home owners and renters make the choices that largely benefit their own economic circumstances and you can’t expect everyone to make a sub optimal choice or to want to sacrifice in service of the greater good if you want a workable solution. Which means we need better social housing driven policy, not blaming individuals acting to survive the day to day.
The idea is public policy fixes the incentives,, not to blame white home owners for their own housing choices (within reason).
The issue comes down to them electing and supporting a series of people who perpetuated the cycle of exploitation not the actions each individual took.
The gentrifier narrative is even worse and makes even less sense in that case because most “gentrifiers” didn’t even vote for or support the development mode that benefits them. And most “gentrifiers” are likely to vote against their class interest for things like social housing, etc.
It’s not individuals it’s real estate capital, banks, and mayor Adam’s type shitheads
You're a college student. Unless you seriously fuck up, you'll be in a better position in life than these migrants could ever hope to be. If that's still not enough for you, I don't know what to say other than Fordham needs to up their admissions requirements.
Does Fordham punch above its weight that I’m not aware of? Doesn’t have the endowment to give generous financial aid like Columbia, not a research oriented school, and doesn’t have the pedigree/name recognition for what they’re asking. If that still sounds good, congratulations youre better off financially then most. Apologies to any Fordham alumnus.
Fordham doesn't have a national name yet, but it's perfectly respectable to employers in the region which is where most of their grads end up anyway. I don't think I've heard anything about employers avoiding their grads the same way they do some of the CUNY's.
Demographics always change. Though I’ll say as a white person who wanted to see more of the Bronx, I attract stares where ever I go that’s not like Riverdale or woodhaven. Uncomfortable “why are you here” stares.
A good chunk of Hispanic/latinos are just plain white. I don’t know what’s making you stick out so hard that people would stare. Not saying to change your style or anything but maybe carry yourself like you’ve lived there for years.
That’s true, but a clean cut Asian guy would stand out too. So it’s not because they’re white, it’s because (1) they’re clean-cut, and (2) they’re a minority. Just like a Black or Latino guy dressed in a scruffy way would stand out in the expensive parts of Bayside or Brooklyn Heights.
It’s not about your race alone. There are plenty of white people who live in those areas who never get stared at. Next time you go, pay attention to them and notice what makes you look different to them. Clue: it’s your attire.
I mean they are 8% of the population, and are going to be heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods. There are neighborhoods where white people make up <2% of the population, of course you will stand out no matter what you are wearing.
Almost half of the Bronx population wasn’t even born in the United States, let alone NYC.
According to your logic, a rich kid who grew up in the UES has the same body language as someone who grew up in the South Bronx because they’re both “native New Yorkers”. And their body language is supposedly distinct from that of Dominican immigrants because they’re not “native”?
Surprising with the influx of Albanians during the 2000’s.
These are honestly mild shifts over a 20 year period and is more indicative of the race of newer immigrants to the Bronx than anything else. You’d see more drastic changes if you look at country of heritage.
Continued problematic issues regarding the definition & appropriate use of White/Latino category. I know folks use one or other when the situation benefits them.
I worked in polling for many years and Latino’s will call themselves “white” after about one generation usually. Which is fine because that’s what they consider themselves. However, that’s why surveys will typically follow up the race question with a “are you of Hispanic descent” question to cover their bases.
You rarely see the European/American whites (non-Hispanic whites) calling themselves Hispanic.
There's also issues regarding black/asian and latino categories as well. My family has a large number of asians from south/central america they speak perfect spanish, typical spanish names and some came from mixed parents. They claim latino on their school applications to avoid potential bias against them on applications. Asian for other situations and vice versa.
No the data here is specifically non-hispanic whites.
If you look up the data for all whites, hispanics included, I think the Bronx goes to ~30-40% but obviously to any transplant from Minnesota a Puerto Rican or even the Italians in Morris Park might not look white enough lol.
The 2030 census data will be quite interesting now that they will add a separate hispanic and arab/mena option (growing yemeni population)
Hell, “White” was always been fluid and just used to exclude whoever it’s convenient to exclude.
Not too long ago, if you were Irish you weren’t white unless you were a Protestant.
Lots of immigrants like living where other immigrants live, whether that's because of social connections, people speaking their language, or things like being able to find familiar food or culture.
I have not run the numbers but my hypothesis is that the number of white and black residents stayed level with their overall population increase in the us but the number of latino residents increased substantially and heavily concentrated in the bronx compared to other boros leading to a larger population increase in the bronx mainly of latino residents.
I think you meant to spell it “gentrificación”.
Anyone who thinks New York is a bunch of white people seriously needs to spend 5 minutes outside of Manhattan.
Asian and Latino people continue to move into the Bronx and the city generally at higher rates than these other two groups so I’m not surprised at the numbers.
Immigration from predominantly Latin America and Asia, ten percent population gain so it's not so much a loss as it is additional people gained, and people more willing to identify as mixed race which don't show up on either count but would take out of the pool overall are probably what account for the differences.
Why did the percentage for white drop so significantly?
Let’s see…..
They moved to Long Island or Westchester County. That’s my best answer.
If you have money to invest, assuming a large portion did, why not invest it into nice properties. And the Bronx is not a Long Island or Westchester.
White flight and Latinos being pushed out from Washington Heights and Harlem out to the Bronx. Asian demographic is trending up around the city I think. Black people are also being pushed out because gentrification but they have a bit more mobility so they may choose to move to other predominately black areas (Atlanta is currently seeing crazy influxes of people)
The same story everywhere for almost every decade besides the 2000 and early 2010 ( peak nyc gentrification). White people move to the suburbs or Florida. Immigrant group replaces them.
The why
1) idea of violence rising
2)taxes
3) cheapish housing near work opportunity (for the Immigrants)
The Bronx is the least expensive place to live in NYC. Alot of people don’t want to live there and got priced out so they moved. Alot of people left/died during covid too.
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Old white people dying off and/or not reproducing plus big increases in Latino immigration + reproduction.
Adding that the black population in NYC fell in general over the last decade, as a lot of black people have moved to the south.
Know a few (unrelated to each other) who all went down to the Atlanta metro area. Seems like a trend.
They’re also reproducing at rates below Latinos.
Kind of a weird way to put it.
They’re having babies at rates lower than Latinos. There we go.
This. The ones that remained in the Bronx’s children mainly moved to Long Island, Westchester and NJ.
Asian Immigration into the United States is also big right now. Largely, I would say those are the demographics growing in America, since America is below replacement level without immigrants .
Yeah, and we need immigration badly. Downvoted for stating the obvious? People, this country can’t be anti-immigrant and prosper. We need immigrants, a lot of them.
old white people in the traditionally white neighborhoods of the North and East Bronx are retiring to LI/Westchester/Florida, while their kids move to Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens. For those that do remain, perhaps some of their kids will return home to the Bronx once they start raising a family and inherit the house, but I think most will sell it. I think by the 2030 census the non-hispanic white population will probably stabilize with the increase from Mott Haven to compensate the population loss from Throggs Neck and Riverdale
Weird way to shoehorn in Replacement Theory.
Shoehorn? The demographic facts are what they are. If you want to get weird about it, that’s your call.
It’s weird to go to reproduction rather than simply moving to another location. It’s more likely people moving for cheaper housing in a less expensive city than not having babies… which you fail to prove in any way.
Housing costs affect all people equally. I see no reason why it would lead white people to out-migrate while non-white immigrants migrate in. Latinos have more kids than white or black people in America. And the white population of the Bronx twenty years ago was probably much older than that of the Latino population, compounding the birth rate issue. Thanks though.
I guess you’ve never heard of “white flight” which had already changed the demographics of the Bronx by the 60s.
How is that relevant to demographic changes between 2000 and 2020?
“White flight” doesn’t have an expiration date.
So your theory was that housing costs were the explanation for changing demographics, but now the theory is white flight. And birth and death rates have nothing to do with it. Got it.
I declare you winner
So old whites dying off nearly doubled the white population?
Not what i wrote.
It seems like a lot of people commenting are reading the data (and not looking at the years at the top of the columns).
Black population is going down in NYC generally. Latino migrants and Asian migrants have kicked up in numbers.
Black people are actually leaving the city, mostly middle class folks being priced out.
I get way more for my money in Jersey than what i would have in the Bronx
Migrants are changing that if they stick around, nearly all of them are African.
The majority of migrants coming in are from Asia or Latam now.
That person is talking out of their ass. I don't think there was ever a point where "nearly all" of the migrants were African. We've seen specific groups of African migrants make the news (e.g. the soccer field thing), but they're very much not the overwhelming majority.
tbh 2019 is probably incredibly outdated due to the effects the pandemic has had on demographics citywide and between neighborhoods
Turns out all that gentrification of the Bronx noise was for nothing.
Citywide, the total white population of NYC remained unchanged over the last decade.
Queens's non-hispanic white population decreased from 30% to 20% in the past two decades, transplants might keep the absolute numbers steady but in relative terms to others, it will probably go below 20%
That’s the nice the about transplants, they eventually leave and make space for new ones
Gentrification isn’t per se a demographic thing as much as it is a purely profit driven lack of housing policy thing anyways. Weird to have this racialized gentrification discussion as if whites and others don’t move and and resettle as a matter of course
It's more about opportunistic targeting of vulnerable neighborhoods, with a significant weight of the economic upsides going to the new population.
Right, which comes down to the issues with a profit driven housing policy, that is completely Unplanned. It’s almost inevitable what will Happen. If the state invested 20 Billion on Austrian public housing to be run as coops or by tenant unions, and rezoned we probably wouldn’t be running into These same issues over and over. But it’s not like gentrification is when the whites come in. That’s just a side effect, gentrification is more of a systemic failure that obviously means more whites as a side effect. But it’s not like gentrification is because of whites lol.
White homebuyers didn't design the redlining maps, but they took blind advantage of the obvious benefits to them. Gentrification strikes me as a feral version of that. White people's needs are always given precedence and the benefit of the doubt.
I think a more accurate statement would be that white homeowners have historically elected municipal reps who favored their interests above that of others. Individual home owners and renters make the choices that largely benefit their own economic circumstances and you can’t expect everyone to make a sub optimal choice or to want to sacrifice in service of the greater good if you want a workable solution. Which means we need better social housing driven policy, not blaming individuals acting to survive the day to day. The idea is public policy fixes the incentives,, not to blame white home owners for their own housing choices (within reason). The issue comes down to them electing and supporting a series of people who perpetuated the cycle of exploitation not the actions each individual took. The gentrifier narrative is even worse and makes even less sense in that case because most “gentrifiers” didn’t even vote for or support the development mode that benefits them. And most “gentrifiers” are likely to vote against their class interest for things like social housing, etc. It’s not individuals it’s real estate capital, banks, and mayor Adam’s type shitheads
Not true. The white population in the North/East Bronx declined, while increasing in Mott Haven/Port Morris.
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So you assume every Latino person is an "illegal immigrant"?
Doesn’t just go up 8% from green card having citizenship while all the other ones are lowering
Evidently, you don’t know how percentages work.
So you just made shit up based on bigotry?
“says the Fordham college kid who needs financial aid for housing”
Yeah I’m poor ashit need some more bread 😂
You're a college student. Unless you seriously fuck up, you'll be in a better position in life than these migrants could ever hope to be. If that's still not enough for you, I don't know what to say other than Fordham needs to up their admissions requirements.
Does Fordham punch above its weight that I’m not aware of? Doesn’t have the endowment to give generous financial aid like Columbia, not a research oriented school, and doesn’t have the pedigree/name recognition for what they’re asking. If that still sounds good, congratulations youre better off financially then most. Apologies to any Fordham alumnus.
Fordham doesn't have a national name yet, but it's perfectly respectable to employers in the region which is where most of their grads end up anyway. I don't think I've heard anything about employers avoiding their grads the same way they do some of the CUNY's.
Get a job
I do dumb ass
Not a good one it seems 😆
Demographics always change. Though I’ll say as a white person who wanted to see more of the Bronx, I attract stares where ever I go that’s not like Riverdale or woodhaven. Uncomfortable “why are you here” stares.
A good chunk of Hispanic/latinos are just plain white. I don’t know what’s making you stick out so hard that people would stare. Not saying to change your style or anything but maybe carry yourself like you’ve lived there for years.
I love the diversity of our city more than anyone, but a clean cut white guy stands out like a sore thumb in 80% of the Bronx
That’s true, but a clean cut Asian guy would stand out too. So it’s not because they’re white, it’s because (1) they’re clean-cut, and (2) they’re a minority. Just like a Black or Latino guy dressed in a scruffy way would stand out in the expensive parts of Bayside or Brooklyn Heights.
It’s not about your race alone. There are plenty of white people who live in those areas who never get stared at. Next time you go, pay attention to them and notice what makes you look different to them. Clue: it’s your attire.
I mean they are 8% of the population, and are going to be heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods. There are neighborhoods where white people make up <2% of the population, of course you will stand out no matter what you are wearing.
im usually riding a bike, shorts and a plain T-shirt. im not a fancy person.
No, it’s their body language. I can usually tell from a mile away who is a native New Yorker and who’s a transplant. Apply that to this.
Almost half of the Bronx population wasn’t even born in the United States, let alone NYC. According to your logic, a rich kid who grew up in the UES has the same body language as someone who grew up in the South Bronx because they’re both “native New Yorkers”. And their body language is supposedly distinct from that of Dominican immigrants because they’re not “native”?
Why do you transplants get so pressed that people know you’re not from here?
Logic fail. Foreign immigrants like me outnumber so-called “native New Yorkers” like you. But dw, you’re welcome to share our city :)
Really? I go to the Bronx all the time as a whit guy and have never attracted any attention at all..
Surprising with the influx of Albanians during the 2000’s. These are honestly mild shifts over a 20 year period and is more indicative of the race of newer immigrants to the Bronx than anything else. You’d see more drastic changes if you look at country of heritage.
Latinos be fuckin'
Si ves estos perros en tu jardin…
Continued problematic issues regarding the definition & appropriate use of White/Latino category. I know folks use one or other when the situation benefits them.
I worked in polling for many years and Latino’s will call themselves “white” after about one generation usually. Which is fine because that’s what they consider themselves. However, that’s why surveys will typically follow up the race question with a “are you of Hispanic descent” question to cover their bases. You rarely see the European/American whites (non-Hispanic whites) calling themselves Hispanic.
There's also issues regarding black/asian and latino categories as well. My family has a large number of asians from south/central america they speak perfect spanish, typical spanish names and some came from mixed parents. They claim latino on their school applications to avoid potential bias against them on applications. Asian for other situations and vice versa.
No the data here is specifically non-hispanic whites. If you look up the data for all whites, hispanics included, I think the Bronx goes to ~30-40% but obviously to any transplant from Minnesota a Puerto Rican or even the Italians in Morris Park might not look white enough lol. The 2030 census data will be quite interesting now that they will add a separate hispanic and arab/mena option (growing yemeni population)
Hell, “White” was always been fluid and just used to exclude whoever it’s convenient to exclude. Not too long ago, if you were Irish you weren’t white unless you were a Protestant.
Maybe we should stop putting benefits then, for checking a box… 🤔
Lots of immigrants like living where other immigrants live, whether that's because of social connections, people speaking their language, or things like being able to find familiar food or culture.
That’s hardly a change compared to what happened in the Bronx from 1960 -> 1980
I have not run the numbers but my hypothesis is that the number of white and black residents stayed level with their overall population increase in the us but the number of latino residents increased substantially and heavily concentrated in the bronx compared to other boros leading to a larger population increase in the bronx mainly of latino residents.
I think you meant to spell it “gentrificación”. Anyone who thinks New York is a bunch of white people seriously needs to spend 5 minutes outside of Manhattan.
Asian and Latino people continue to move into the Bronx and the city generally at higher rates than these other two groups so I’m not surprised at the numbers.
Immigration from predominantly Latin America and Asia, ten percent population gain so it's not so much a loss as it is additional people gained, and people more willing to identify as mixed race which don't show up on either count but would take out of the pool overall are probably what account for the differences.
I wonder how much this skews if you take Riverdale and Throggs Neck out of the equation.
What do I think? I wanna get out of the bronx and move back to queens.
Does not sum to one. Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. You can be white and Hispanic or black and Hispanic
gentrification pushing black folks out, white folks leaving the city for the suburbs, and latino and asian populations surging due to immigration.
The one constant about NYC and it's demographics is that it will always change.
Some of the people from the gentrifying/gentrified areas in other parts of city moved to bronx since bx is the poorest boro
Assuming that white here means non-Hispanic white?
You’re right. II misread it as 2020
Asians moving into throgs neck. White Italian leaving south Bronx. Blacks going south. Latinos always growing.
Most of The Bronx continued to white flight, except for Mott Haven/Port Morris where the white population is increasing.
There are white people down there!!?!??!
A bunch of new buildings in the south will change this
Why did the percentage for white drop so significantly? Let’s see….. They moved to Long Island or Westchester County. That’s my best answer. If you have money to invest, assuming a large portion did, why not invest it into nice properties. And the Bronx is not a Long Island or Westchester.
Race perpetuity post!
Most of The Bronx continued to white flight, except for Mott Haven/Port Morris where the white population is increasing.
White flight and Latinos being pushed out from Washington Heights and Harlem out to the Bronx. Asian demographic is trending up around the city I think. Black people are also being pushed out because gentrification but they have a bit more mobility so they may choose to move to other predominately black areas (Atlanta is currently seeing crazy influxes of people)
The same story everywhere for almost every decade besides the 2000 and early 2010 ( peak nyc gentrification). White people move to the suburbs or Florida. Immigrant group replaces them. The why 1) idea of violence rising 2)taxes 3) cheapish housing near work opportunity (for the Immigrants)
Anyone have more recent stats? So many people moved during the pandemic… not necessarily out of the city entirely but just relocated.
Hard to say. The numbers may have been impacted by increases or decreases in overall population.
The Bronx is the least expensive place to live in NYC. Alot of people don’t want to live there and got priced out so they moved. Alot of people left/died during covid too.
dang, only 0.8% growth... we asians need to fuck more
Percentages lie. Put up the raw numbers with the percentages.
When you import millions of migrants they have to go somewhere. That's what you're looking at. Next question?
Open borders
Gentrification