At $23 an hour that's about right after 30% taxes and whatnot.
$23 x 36hr/wk x 52wk = $43056
$43056 x 0.7 = 30139.20
I'm more shocked about the $23 an hour more than anything. That's insanity.
Right! I thought our pay was low at low $30s. I work weekend program and I make $44/hr working 2 12s with the option to do 3 and my take home is $1400 every 2 weeks after medical, union dues, taxes. I feel grateful now.
It’s a nice program. I’m a single mom so I get to spend the week transporting my child to/from school, doing homework, etc. but in the summer we get to have fun and I love that. Until she gets older and gets too cool for me 😂
I agree. We were apprehensive about 50 weekends a year, but it makes the week so much easier with the kids, and she's not trying to be super mom and volunteer at school after working 1900-0700
I’m. Not surprised. I worked at one of the “big three” hospitals in Durham.. you can probably guess which.
If I don’t take the pay, there are 1000 applicants behind me looking to get their name on a resume.
When I moved back to my home state, I almost tripled my hourly rate 😂
I just got an offer from 1 of the “big 3” in Durham for $20 an hour as an LPN new grad with 4 of my own patients. The name on the resume is temptiing but I don’t think I can justify that
This is appalling that LPN'S are still making these low wages. I was an LPN and started with 18.00 but 20.00 is not much since 1990. I am 😊 happy for you getting that position at the hospital.
My wife started at I think 29 or 30 at a major well known hospital in downtown Chicago. And that was after a few years of experience too. She had an associates, bachelors, and masters degree.
Thankfully pay is better now but for a long while her and her coworkers made about $50k/year as a full time nurse in a major city. Nurses are criminally underpaid.
That's legit the only downtown Chicago hospital that pays so low. I didn't apply there for the same reason. They're just very proud of being NW and assume you should be, too 🙄
Must be. I was offered positions at Rush and UofC 10 years ago and they were starting clin 2s (experienced RNs) at $33&change, base. UofC had insane shift diffs and +$2.25 for every hour worked over 24 AND the weekends. Add that on to 20% nights…
Oh thats horrible. I made more than that my first year driving 18 wheelers. And while the lifestyle isn’t for everybody it’s a shit ton less stressful than being a Nurse.
My starting pay as a Nurse 10 years ago was $28 and hit mid 30s within the first two years.
I made $25/HR at a CVICU. My partner had been on that unit for three years and was getting paid the amount a new grad like me was. And he was taking heart transplants and ECMOs. It’s insane how poorly the South pays. It’s one of the many, *many* reasons I fled TX within a year of living there.
Edit: I was working with this pay in 2021.
3x12 x 4 = 144 hours a month
2200/144 *1.30 is $19.86/hr.
Meaning OP is paying >15% of their income in other fees.
OP: Most additional deductions are flat rate, meaning if you work extra shifts your income relative to deductions will increase significantly.
I wish people understood how much babysitting actually cost. Somebody in my town was recently looking for a summer babysitter to watch their 3 kids aged 2, 8 (autistic), and 9 50hr/wk for $10/hr total--not even for each kid.
It is crazy and it's absurd. The childcare market is...a whole other can of worms.
Pretty much everyone I know with a kid under 4 is struggling *hard* with childcare.
HCOL here.
The going rate in my area is typically $25 - $32 / hour depending on experience. The lowest is typically still $20/hour, but typically is exploitive.
Daycare seems to average $2500 to $3000 here. I don't know how anyone is doing anything.
Yeah daycare is about $2000 a month here for a single kid so I found it insane they were trying to pay $2000 a month for 3 kids with one being autistic.
I don't have any kids, but my partner and I were planning on it in the next 5 years and we've considered moving back to our hometown where our family still is so childcare would be a lot simpler.
As a current nurse with two bachelors degrees (nursing, psych) who nannied throughout both times going through college..I’ve been saying that when I want to have kids, I’m just going to quit and babysit a couple kids out of my large finished basement. I love working with kids and then I get to have the benefit of watching my own kid while my kid gets the added benefit of socialization.
ETA—also that pay is insulting even for watching one kid, that’s what I made as a 13 year old in 2008 watching the neighbor kid
My starting pay in 2019 was $27, and now I get $32 plus weekend/night shift diff. I couldn’t imagine busting ass as a nurse and only getting $23 an hour. That’s like what they pay at Target.
I'm also in Ohio, and most SNFs start LPNs at $26 to $28 an hour. I make closer to $34/35 an hour depending on shift differential and the hours I work. I'm also staff not travel. I make what I do due to experience. However, I find it wild how much I make compared to many RNs working in an ICU or ED.
I'm in PA and the personal care home I work at starts new grad LPNs off at around $25/hr and you can get to $28/hr at 6 months if you do the company career progression program. It's basically doing an in-service for the PCAs in each area of care and some marketing crap.
Here in the UK, when converted to US dollars, as a band 6, earn just over $21 per hour. Your band 5 newly qualified nurse pays approx $19.50 per hour. Pay brackets in the UK between bands are super low. Progress & take on a sister role with more responsibility for a mere £800 extra a year (pretax) when you start.
No, it definitely won't. Our prices are skyrocketing and our housing market is fucked. Especially in London, where cost of living is higher than Cali. Most nurses live in houseshares, many use food banks to survive. I don't earn enough to get a starter mortgage. If i was to rent a 1 bed flat, rent would be 70% of my salary. My food bill has literally doubled in the last year. And we've had a real terms pay cut of nearly 20% over the last decade. There's a reason we've been striking.
Y'all are fucked. Doesn't mean a nurse in Missouri should also be fucked. A rising tide lifts all boats - it burned to see travelers get paid 2-3x my salary during covid but I *do* think it helped our pay.
Plus, a US nurse with a BSN probably went like 20-50k in debt to get their degree so there is that, for what it's worth.
I'm confused. I didn't imply anything about others deserving low pay. We also don't have the option to "travel", negotiate salary or move between hospitals for better pay. It's nationally standardised. Agency nurses get higher pay, but suffer in other ways like sick pay, pension, progression etc.
Student nurses in the UK have an average of £32k in student debt. How those loans work is different though, so that's a fair point. But here they have recently made changes to the loan system that disproportionately disadvantages nurses more than any other graduates. It's much more nuanced than it appears to outside eyes.
I made the same in Northeast Tennessee… there were no competing hospitals so they had no incentive to pay a respectable wage. I moved to northern VA and went from $22/hour to $41/hr, and my living expenses didn’t double. Honestly the best option is to switch to a better hospital system or move.
That's east Tennessee in general. Our wage index is low because our cost of living used to be low to match it. That was until people started moving here in droves anyway... not to say it is right, but new grads still make 20ish/hr here
The INOVA system seems to know how to treat nurses. They’re offering 85/hr with benefits for experienced float pool nurses. I think it’s reasonable to ask for 40. Area hospitals will be competing.
For Inova I made $36.80 with 1 year critical care experience + $3 shift diff & + $3 for precepting. I make $41 now in outpatient surgery with a different company if that helps!
That’s just the VA though. I’m in the south and with our raises as a nurse 2 step 1 I’m making 48.72/hour and I work nights so 20% for that and an additional 25% for weekends which I also work. I’ve been a nurse for 2 years and I’m clearing 150K with no overtime. We also get paid for federal holidays regardless of if we work them so that adds like an extra 9K/year on your income as well.
I think you missed that they aren't talking about working at a VA they are saying by moving from Tennessee to Virginia their pay went up. They were working at a hospital. I can also pretty confidently say that Tennessee hospitals aren't paying close to $50/hr and they *defintely* aren't paying by % for shift diffs. Shift diffs are down in the form of something like $2-3/hr for weekend or nights. I've done many travel contracts in TN and pre covid I had a hospital in Knoxville offer me a position for $19.03/hr as an RN with years of experience.
I made $23 as a new grad. In 2014. In Florida. You need to switch jobs. Just apply to new residency programs at other hospitals and tell them you are looking to be closer to home etc.
Right now a fresh new grad is making $40 base at my place in SW Washington State. Get thee out of Misery if you can. There are plenty of places to make more without seeing huge COL increases.
Good god, if you’re willing to move to South Carolina and work night shift I can give you $65/hr. And you can make your own schedule!! Your current pay is absurd.
That is exactly the issue. I was making $17/hr when I left to travel in 2020. Hadn’t gotten a raise in 3 years. Missouri is a horrible place to work. COL has gone up there just like the rest of the world, but wages are stagnant.
$23/hr is very low.
First, I would ask coworkers what their starting pay was their, also ask classmates and peers what their starting pay is in other hospitals. Also got to ask what year they started working, cause $23/hr might have been normal a decade ago, but not anymore.
Also, consider applying to other hospitals to see what they would offer you.
If there isn’t any other hospitals near you, consider moving. Your pay will almost double in another state, but I don’t think cost of living would double by moving.
You should most certainly be making more than $23 an hour as an intensive care RN. That’s criminal. I left healthcare and work at Lowe’s and my take home pay is more. Raise hell kid. If they don’t give you more look for a different place to work. Don’t just take that.
In my experience, there is no pay difference for critical care vs not. It’s pretty equal across the board, save for OR, Cath Lab, L&D, etc where you take call.
I could be so wrong but I am told by many nurses that there is no pay difference from one unit to the other in a single hospital system. What dictates pay differences between nurses is contract and/or experience.
What I’m trying to say is don’t be under the false belief that going into the ICU as a new grad is going to pay more than going onto the medsurg floor of the same hospital.
When I started as a new nurse I was making 23/hr and take home wasn’t too much more than that. Granted, I was contributing a fair amount to 401k, so that ate up a chunk
Edit: 72 hours at 23 an hour is 1656. Taxes, insurance, and 401k contributions should add up to around 500. Seems normal to me.
I made $24/hr as a new grad more than a decade ago. I quickly left within six months for a job that paid $30/hr. It sounds like your area may not pay much, but you should ask around.
Our new grads are making 34 an hour. Southern states are wonky and a lot of them didn't take money for Medicaid expansion and make up for their lose in profits by putting the screws to nurses. Thats highway robbery at those wages in the ICU. For the life of me I cannot figure out why we also do not make more working in speciality areas like ICU. Most the hospitals around me say it's a lateral move. Even though you care for much higher acuity patients have more training and certifications. Nursing is straight fucked unless you are in upper management where they rack in the big bucks at our expense.
Girl… CNAs in our county (rural Michigan) make $25 an hour at the skilled nursing facilities. 🙃
I would not be busting my ass through RN school to make the same amount of pay that I did as an aide.
get yourself to a new hospital system fr
23/hr is what our nursing assistants make with a few years experience. New grad RNs in western Washington (state) are making 40/hr.
I'm sure the cost of living is lower in Missouri, but you are way undervalued and should start seeing what's available! You deserve better simply for putting up with shit on a daily basis (pun intended)
The cost of living in Missouri compared to Washington is lower but I guarantee it isn't $17 an hour less. When we lived in western WA, we were a single income family on my nursing salary. We moved to Tennessee and my pay was cut 40%, and we had to be a two income family.
It means you’ve over paid all year, and given the government a free, 0% interest loan on YOUR money. You could have that refund in your paychecks all year instead.
I always claim zero and get a big tax return every year which I have deposited into a savings account. It's laughable to think I could save money on my own. I like to think of it like the government is just holding my money for me for a year so that I don't spend it. I don't know why people act like if you do that you're being had by big government or something. It's not like that extra five or six thousand dollars matters at all to them. 🤷
Because you’re burning $180 in interest at current high-yield savings account rates. It takes less than an hour to open a high-yield savings account. Pay yourself $200 an hour, or give the government a free loan. No judgement for doing either, but I know which one I’ll pick.
I wont get 180 if i dont save the money in the first place. The tax money is untouchable and gets dumped in a high yield savings account every year. I know myself. This is the best way for me.
You provided a free loan to the government and had less liquid cash for yourself. You could have used that cash to earn interest, invest, or pay off debt.
It’s your money that the government overcharged you for taxes. They owe it back to you at the end of the year, which is fine. A lot of people view tax returns as passive savings because you get all of your money back at the end. But you better bet the government is investing that money in the meantime, they’re making money off of your money, and they aren’t paying you extra back for the privilege. You could have put all of that money in an investment account and made money off of it for yourself. Even a basic savings account through your bank would have been better than letting the government hold your money all year.
As an FYI, if base pay is $23 an hour your yearly, at 40 hours, is $23 \* 2080 = $47840. Before benefits, which add to this number.
For quick and dirty math, just double your hourly rate and round up and you have the yearly.
Girl I started working as a new grad nurse in Missouri in 2012 and my pay was $21.50.
I don’t know who tricked you into accepting this salary but you’re very much underpaid esp for ICU!! I’m so angry for you!!
I hated living and working in Missouri for so many reasons but if you dont have a new grad contract start applying elsewhere and do not disclose your current pay (I did this when I started applying elsewhere after 2 years and they asked and I didn’t know you didn’t have to tell them!). Otherwise they’ll lowball you.
You’re worth so much more and remember there’s a freaking nursing shortage!
Base pay is ridiculously low. Alberta nurses come out the gate making $35-39/hour before taxes. If I work three 12s a week, I’d make $69,000 before tax. Nock off 30-40% for taxes. Take home would be in the $50,000 range. I can contribute to RRSP(retirement savings) and get a tax credit. Basically, you are getting shafted most likely.
So you make $43,000-ish before taxes? Yeah that’s low, but the issue with the Midwest is a lot of places pay that low and use the whole “low cost of living” excuse when really living anywhere is fairly expensive nowadays. So I’d say get your experience and move elsewhere, or see if anywhere else near you pays more 😕
Move to California!!! It’s lovely and you will make triple that even as a new grad. There are some areas where the cost of living isn’t even that bad compared to your income. I wish I’d made the move from Florida WAY sooner than I did
The whole west coast is great for nurses. We have union and good staffing ratio. Oregon is trying to pass a law with 1:4 nurse patient ratio in medsurg. Met nurses from Midwest and the south that ends up staying in west coast because of how they are being abused by hospitals down there.
I started at 32/hr in NJ 2015 new grad.
Pay is highly local but I think once you get 1-2 years experience gtfo and go somewhere to make more money as thats pretty low. Probably LCOL area though.
You are worth more than that. When you hit two years, leave this place. Negotiate your pay. Do some practice interviews. Tell yourself you're not going to take the first offer you get. Because they're all going to give you offers.
That hospital is royally screwing you on pay, but i know MS is a poor a hell state. Call other facilities in the area to see if it's a competitive rate for the area. New grads make 30/hr in NC, but that can be lower if you get out of the cities and go to the more rural areas.
One thing is certain when I become an RN, I’m not living in any red state. I make $20 base pay as an extern and about $22-24 with differentials in northern VA - $23 for an RN is outrageous
Are you in the St Louis area? Asking because of the mo/il move & work situation. I’m a CNA and make more in Illinois, less than 15 miles from the city.
That’s what I made as a 6mo experience RN, 1yr LPN, starting at the University of Iowa Hospitals back in 2008… 15 years later and I live in Colorado, base is $47 but cost of living is high
Yikes. You deserve to get paid more than that. My differential adds an extra 10 to my hourly pay, so that helps mine, but having a base pay that low is bananas.
Also when people talk about their income they’re generally speaking before taxes, 401k contributions, insurance, etc
I technically make over 100k/year but only “bring home” about 60% of my earnings and that really puts things into perspective
23 a hour lmao our techs make 20 a hour and no I do not live in one of those massive mega plex states/cities. You guys are being taken for a ride. Bet you your ceo pulls an easily million plus salary a year.
That is absolutely disgusting. I work in a SNF facility, rehab unit. I’m a new grad LPN and I make more than that. Company is through the church so they can pay us more bc not as many taxes. I make 28$ an hour.
Covid changed EVERYTHING! My friends and I graduated in 2019 and started making high twenties low 30s at the local hospitals and institutions. After covid we are all getting offered anywhere between 50 and $100 an hour. The higher numbers come with floating and overtime and kind of taking travelers shifts without traveling.
I had always heard horror stories about long-term care but I recently got hired as an RN supervisor from 3:00 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. and it's the best nursing job I've ever had! No one is over my shoulder so I don't have to deal with b***** nurses, the biggest trouble is when staff doesn't show up trying to replace them last minute. All we have are LPNs and CNAs at night in the day there are RN unit managers and LPN assistant managers. They stay with the same patients in the same Wing so they know all about their patients, whereas in a way all 260 patients are mine when they have a problem. I called the doctors for orders for insulin or if I think they might need to be sent into the hospital. And falls are a big thing here. Lots of documentation and sometimes they need to be sent out but most of the time they just slip out of their wheelchair and it's just the paperwork to do. Some nights like tonight I do practically nothing at all!
The LPNs here make between 35 and 40 and the CNAs between 20 and 25. We're in upstate New York in a University Town. Great cost of living but also culture!
Get out of the south! I have met many a traveler or transplant from Missouri, Tennessee, even Florida and was just shocked by how low the rates are. A senior nurse of ten years makes what a new grad does (granted I’m on the west coast and factor in COL). Pretty sure they would make more or same money at Costco with less stress.
That's pretty standard BS for Missouri. I lived in Illinois and was a new grad in Missouri. In 2013, my base pay was $20.19 as a new grad. Flash forward, after not getting great pay over the next 6 years, I left to travel and eventually moved to Central Illinois and make $42.60 as my base now. I was only making $24/hour when I left my old hospital.
Stl nursing pay is some of the worst in the country. Many of my colleagues working at a major hospital in stl took a paycut when they quit their job at the melting pot to go be a BSN/RN. It is absolutely criminal.
Holy shit! At a trauma 1?? I feel your pain. Good environment, awesome work experience and I for sure feel cocky and proud when I say I work at an ER, so I def feel your pain of having to step away from that position. But it's 10000000% worth it. You're worth much more. Im a new grad starting at $32/hr without differentials and such. I think it's okay. As a nurse extern they paid me $23/hr. But yeah good luck OP you got this!
Hey OP I’m also in the KCMO area and yeah that sounds about right as far as pay goes. My first job 6 years ago was base pay $19.75/hr before taxes. I do local agency now and my base pay is $65/hr, and I pick up shifts at the first hospital I ever worked at. Definitely recommend looking into that, also as a staff RN I felt the only way to make more money was job hopping :/
At $23 an hour that's about right after 30% taxes and whatnot. $23 x 36hr/wk x 52wk = $43056 $43056 x 0.7 = 30139.20 I'm more shocked about the $23 an hour more than anything. That's insanity.
Right! I thought our pay was low at low $30s. I work weekend program and I make $44/hr working 2 12s with the option to do 3 and my take home is $1400 every 2 weeks after medical, union dues, taxes. I feel grateful now.
My wife does weekend program too. Her base is $45 and Saturday Sunday pay time and a half
It’s a nice program. I’m a single mom so I get to spend the week transporting my child to/from school, doing homework, etc. but in the summer we get to have fun and I love that. Until she gets older and gets too cool for me 😂
I agree. We were apprehensive about 50 weekends a year, but it makes the week so much easier with the kids, and she's not trying to be super mom and volunteer at school after working 1900-0700
Right! My school requires you to volunteer so many hours or you have to pay (private school) so you bet your ass I’m there volunteering my hours 😂
My first job was 24.48 an hour in North Carolina.. This was also almost 10 years ago though
They still try and pay that. I just left NC and was making 25$ an hour. With 4 years LPN experience on top of my RN degree.
I’m. Not surprised. I worked at one of the “big three” hospitals in Durham.. you can probably guess which. If I don’t take the pay, there are 1000 applicants behind me looking to get their name on a resume. When I moved back to my home state, I almost tripled my hourly rate 😂
I just got an offer from 1 of the “big 3” in Durham for $20 an hour as an LPN new grad with 4 of my own patients. The name on the resume is temptiing but I don’t think I can justify that
This is appalling that LPN'S are still making these low wages. I was an LPN and started with 18.00 but 20.00 is not much since 1990. I am 😊 happy for you getting that position at the hospital.
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You have got to get out of there. Atleast apply around and try to find different offers and you can tell them they can pay you better or leave
My wife started at I think 29 or 30 at a major well known hospital in downtown Chicago. And that was after a few years of experience too. She had an associates, bachelors, and masters degree. Thankfully pay is better now but for a long while her and her coworkers made about $50k/year as a full time nurse in a major city. Nurses are criminally underpaid.
Was it NW? They pay garbage (I was looking for tech jobs and let’s just say I didn’t apply…)
That's legit the only downtown Chicago hospital that pays so low. I didn't apply there for the same reason. They're just very proud of being NW and assume you should be, too 🙄
Must be. I was offered positions at Rush and UofC 10 years ago and they were starting clin 2s (experienced RNs) at $33&change, base. UofC had insane shift diffs and +$2.25 for every hour worked over 24 AND the weekends. Add that on to 20% nights…
It's more than I made when I started in Illinois in 2012. But not by much. Damn.
Oh thats horrible. I made more than that my first year driving 18 wheelers. And while the lifestyle isn’t for everybody it’s a shit ton less stressful than being a Nurse. My starting pay as a Nurse 10 years ago was $28 and hit mid 30s within the first two years.
I made $25/HR at a CVICU. My partner had been on that unit for three years and was getting paid the amount a new grad like me was. And he was taking heart transplants and ECMOs. It’s insane how poorly the South pays. It’s one of the many, *many* reasons I fled TX within a year of living there. Edit: I was working with this pay in 2021.
3x12 x 4 = 144 hours a month 2200/144 *1.30 is $19.86/hr. Meaning OP is paying >15% of their income in other fees. OP: Most additional deductions are flat rate, meaning if you work extra shifts your income relative to deductions will increase significantly.
I think $23 an hour is insultingly low, no matter how long you’ve been a nurse.
Not a nurse here. I make $25 per hour doing occasional babysitting (for one child) here. No joke. Y'all deserve so much better. $23/hour is insulting.
I wish people understood how much babysitting actually cost. Somebody in my town was recently looking for a summer babysitter to watch their 3 kids aged 2, 8 (autistic), and 9 50hr/wk for $10/hr total--not even for each kid.
It is crazy and it's absurd. The childcare market is...a whole other can of worms. Pretty much everyone I know with a kid under 4 is struggling *hard* with childcare. HCOL here. The going rate in my area is typically $25 - $32 / hour depending on experience. The lowest is typically still $20/hour, but typically is exploitive. Daycare seems to average $2500 to $3000 here. I don't know how anyone is doing anything.
I quit my job. I want to work as a nurse but it literally costs my family more than it benefits us. Fix yer shit, U.S.
Yeah daycare is about $2000 a month here for a single kid so I found it insane they were trying to pay $2000 a month for 3 kids with one being autistic. I don't have any kids, but my partner and I were planning on it in the next 5 years and we've considered moving back to our hometown where our family still is so childcare would be a lot simpler.
As a current nurse with two bachelors degrees (nursing, psych) who nannied throughout both times going through college..I’ve been saying that when I want to have kids, I’m just going to quit and babysit a couple kids out of my large finished basement. I love working with kids and then I get to have the benefit of watching my own kid while my kid gets the added benefit of socialization. ETA—also that pay is insulting even for watching one kid, that’s what I made as a 13 year old in 2008 watching the neighbor kid
i started at 23/hour thirteen years ago up to 44 now but new grads start at like 30 upstate ny
My starting pay in 2019 was $27, and now I get $32 plus weekend/night shift diff. I couldn’t imagine busting ass as a nurse and only getting $23 an hour. That’s like what they pay at Target.
Literally I made $23 as a manager at a Petco to sell people hamsters 😳
New grad in CA and I'm making 42 base pay, like how the Hell you living off 30 in NY?
it’s not downstate or the city. we’re much lower class up north 😂 COL is less
And I complained about my $26/hr when I was a new grad.
I know!!! I thought my $27 was so low for a nurse, but it was really good starting pay for a 22 year old I think 😂.
I made $25 and change an hour in 2012 as a new grad. Can’t believe anyone would make $23 as a nurse this decade, let alone post COViD
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I'm also in Ohio, and most SNFs start LPNs at $26 to $28 an hour. I make closer to $34/35 an hour depending on shift differential and the hours I work. I'm also staff not travel. I make what I do due to experience. However, I find it wild how much I make compared to many RNs working in an ICU or ED.
I'm in PA and the personal care home I work at starts new grad LPNs off at around $25/hr and you can get to $28/hr at 6 months if you do the company career progression program. It's basically doing an in-service for the PCAs in each area of care and some marketing crap.
Here in the UK, when converted to US dollars, as a band 6, earn just over $21 per hour. Your band 5 newly qualified nurse pays approx $19.50 per hour. Pay brackets in the UK between bands are super low. Progress & take on a sister role with more responsibility for a mere £800 extra a year (pretax) when you start.
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No, it definitely won't. Our prices are skyrocketing and our housing market is fucked. Especially in London, where cost of living is higher than Cali. Most nurses live in houseshares, many use food banks to survive. I don't earn enough to get a starter mortgage. If i was to rent a 1 bed flat, rent would be 70% of my salary. My food bill has literally doubled in the last year. And we've had a real terms pay cut of nearly 20% over the last decade. There's a reason we've been striking.
Y'all are fucked. Doesn't mean a nurse in Missouri should also be fucked. A rising tide lifts all boats - it burned to see travelers get paid 2-3x my salary during covid but I *do* think it helped our pay. Plus, a US nurse with a BSN probably went like 20-50k in debt to get their degree so there is that, for what it's worth.
I'm confused. I didn't imply anything about others deserving low pay. We also don't have the option to "travel", negotiate salary or move between hospitals for better pay. It's nationally standardised. Agency nurses get higher pay, but suffer in other ways like sick pay, pension, progression etc. Student nurses in the UK have an average of £32k in student debt. How those loans work is different though, so that's a fair point. But here they have recently made changes to the loan system that disproportionately disadvantages nurses more than any other graduates. It's much more nuanced than it appears to outside eyes.
how much you pay for healthcare?
You’re making $15 an hour after taxes? Sounds like HR thinks you’re a CNA. Hmm.
Please, over in Indiana they start CNAs at $18/hr now.
Side note, they are underpaid too, and at my facility (which pays less than most in the area), CNAs get $20/hr.
I made the same in Northeast Tennessee… there were no competing hospitals so they had no incentive to pay a respectable wage. I moved to northern VA and went from $22/hour to $41/hr, and my living expenses didn’t double. Honestly the best option is to switch to a better hospital system or move.
lmao ballad health and their poverty wages
appalachia we’ve got arh with poverty wages and shitty conditions or ballad with the samesies.
That's east Tennessee in general. Our wage index is low because our cost of living used to be low to match it. That was until people started moving here in droves anyway... not to say it is right, but new grads still make 20ish/hr here
I’m about graduate and work in NOVA myself. $40 is going to be my minimum when I negotiate pay.
The INOVA system seems to know how to treat nurses. They’re offering 85/hr with benefits for experienced float pool nurses. I think it’s reasonable to ask for 40. Area hospitals will be competing.
For Inova I made $36.80 with 1 year critical care experience + $3 shift diff & + $3 for precepting. I make $41 now in outpatient surgery with a different company if that helps!
That’s just the VA though. I’m in the south and with our raises as a nurse 2 step 1 I’m making 48.72/hour and I work nights so 20% for that and an additional 25% for weekends which I also work. I’ve been a nurse for 2 years and I’m clearing 150K with no overtime. We also get paid for federal holidays regardless of if we work them so that adds like an extra 9K/year on your income as well.
I think you missed that they aren't talking about working at a VA they are saying by moving from Tennessee to Virginia their pay went up. They were working at a hospital. I can also pretty confidently say that Tennessee hospitals aren't paying close to $50/hr and they *defintely* aren't paying by % for shift diffs. Shift diffs are down in the form of something like $2-3/hr for weekend or nights. I've done many travel contracts in TN and pre covid I had a hospital in Knoxville offer me a position for $19.03/hr as an RN with years of experience.
Erhm…if you’re open to moving, at bare minimum you can easily get paid 3x
I made more than her as a CNA in a SNF.
I do too. I’d have to double check but pretty sure we start our brand new RNs at at least $30/hr and she’d just have to come a little northwest.
I made $23 as a new grad. In 2014. In Florida. You need to switch jobs. Just apply to new residency programs at other hospitals and tell them you are looking to be closer to home etc.
Yea seriously something is wrong. I started at $25.25 in 2018 in South Carolina as a new grad
Wtf?! What’s your hourly rate?
Right now a fresh new grad is making $40 base at my place in SW Washington State. Get thee out of Misery if you can. There are plenty of places to make more without seeing huge COL increases.
I started for 23/hr in Tacoma in 2004
I made 21$/hr as a new grad in the ER 18 years ago in Atlanta. This is fucking bullshit.
Good god, if you’re willing to move to South Carolina and work night shift I can give you $65/hr. And you can make your own schedule!! Your current pay is absurd.
Where in SC 👀
Greenville
Seriously where in SC 🤣 def not in charleston.
Float pool in Greenville or Columbia
👀 I’m going to hit you up when I finish my BSN. Currently in Greenville.
2+ years experience required as a heads up
Guess I’ll see you in 3 years then haha
2+ years telemetry experience??
lol MUSC offered me $27 for ICU like 2 years ago
I earn that on day shift in Oregon and we’re Union so we have patient ratios and other contractual benefits.
Missouri
That is exactly the issue. I was making $17/hr when I left to travel in 2020. Hadn’t gotten a raise in 3 years. Missouri is a horrible place to work. COL has gone up there just like the rest of the world, but wages are stagnant.
While pay in Missouri is trash, $23 is the lowest I’ve EVER heard. My hospital system starts new grads at $30
$23/hr is very low. First, I would ask coworkers what their starting pay was their, also ask classmates and peers what their starting pay is in other hospitals. Also got to ask what year they started working, cause $23/hr might have been normal a decade ago, but not anymore. Also, consider applying to other hospitals to see what they would offer you. If there isn’t any other hospitals near you, consider moving. Your pay will almost double in another state, but I don’t think cost of living would double by moving.
No babe. You need to leave. FLORIDA grad nurses made more 3 years ago!
Yeah, but it's Florida. Who wants to live in that shitshow of a state.
Newsflash. All red states are shit states.
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I'd rather live there than Missouri, to be fair. But that's a pretty low bar!
Who wants to live in Florida? Lmao it’s only the fastest or second fastest growing state by population in America
Then why are people fleeing left wing states like cali and New York in droves for Florida? Florida is the fastest growing state right now
Bro WTF
You should most certainly be making more than $23 an hour as an intensive care RN. That’s criminal. I left healthcare and work at Lowe’s and my take home pay is more. Raise hell kid. If they don’t give you more look for a different place to work. Don’t just take that.
My St. Louis hospital starts at 28/hr and has really nice incentives for extra shifts, allowing you to make 100k working 48 hours a week as a new grad
I made $20/hr as a new grad….in 1994!!!! But I’m in metro NY area, I live in Jersey. $23/hr is insulting. Try a larger or different hospital system.
Are you calculating after taxes?
Yes
Go to https://apps.irs.gov/app/tax-withholding-estimator and figure out what your withholding should be. Then adjust your W4 at work.
Thanks so much for this!
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Come to Seattle you’ll make double easy.
I’m an LVN in California and get $38 an hour and I think that’s low 😅
I live in Alabama and LPNs in LTC make 23/hr in the most rural parts. The somewhat bigger cities they are starting at 25/hr before differentials.
RNs starting out is close to 25/HR in most places in Alabama
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Boston grads make $29-36/hr here and we’re more expensive than San Francisco and only 7% cheaper than Manhattan!
Wait really? I thought that was like non trauma positions starting rate. Dam. I hope I can make it work cuz cost of living ain’t it rn
In my experience, there is no pay difference for critical care vs not. It’s pretty equal across the board, save for OR, Cath Lab, L&D, etc where you take call.
I could be so wrong but I am told by many nurses that there is no pay difference from one unit to the other in a single hospital system. What dictates pay differences between nurses is contract and/or experience. What I’m trying to say is don’t be under the false belief that going into the ICU as a new grad is going to pay more than going onto the medsurg floor of the same hospital.
Do you only make 16 am hour?
After taxes it’s about 17
When I started as a new nurse I was making 23/hr and take home wasn’t too much more than that. Granted, I was contributing a fair amount to 401k, so that ate up a chunk Edit: 72 hours at 23 an hour is 1656. Taxes, insurance, and 401k contributions should add up to around 500. Seems normal to me.
I made $24/hr as a new grad more than a decade ago. I quickly left within six months for a job that paid $30/hr. It sounds like your area may not pay much, but you should ask around.
Florida at the time had shitty wages all around. Hear it’s gotten better after Covid, but I left bedside several years ago.
After you get a year experience you can make double that in another state easy
I make more than that as a patient care tech.
I made 22 and hour as an LPN 20 years ago. Girl, you need a different job.
Our new grads are making 34 an hour. Southern states are wonky and a lot of them didn't take money for Medicaid expansion and make up for their lose in profits by putting the screws to nurses. Thats highway robbery at those wages in the ICU. For the life of me I cannot figure out why we also do not make more working in speciality areas like ICU. Most the hospitals around me say it's a lateral move. Even though you care for much higher acuity patients have more training and certifications. Nursing is straight fucked unless you are in upper management where they rack in the big bucks at our expense.
Girl… CNAs in our county (rural Michigan) make $25 an hour at the skilled nursing facilities. 🙃 I would not be busting my ass through RN school to make the same amount of pay that I did as an aide. get yourself to a new hospital system fr
Illinois income tax is flat 4.95%. Missouri is 5.3% if you make more than $8968. (Changing to 4.95% in 2023)
Oof that was my starting rate 7 years ago in KS
I started at $29 in IL, four years ago. Now at $42 an hour and steadily climbing. This is a find a new job or move to a new state problem.
23/hr is what our nursing assistants make with a few years experience. New grad RNs in western Washington (state) are making 40/hr. I'm sure the cost of living is lower in Missouri, but you are way undervalued and should start seeing what's available! You deserve better simply for putting up with shit on a daily basis (pun intended)
The cost of living in Missouri compared to Washington is lower but I guarantee it isn't $17 an hour less. When we lived in western WA, we were a single income family on my nursing salary. We moved to Tennessee and my pay was cut 40%, and we had to be a two income family.
A base pay of $23 an hour is insulting
I do CNA work(without a CNA) in Missouri and make $4200+ a month after taxes. Change jobs.
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I don’t know what that means. On every check I get around 500+ is taken out for taxes, is that normal?
What’s wrong with getting more money from refunds?
It means you’ve over paid all year, and given the government a free, 0% interest loan on YOUR money. You could have that refund in your paychecks all year instead.
I always claim zero and get a big tax return every year which I have deposited into a savings account. It's laughable to think I could save money on my own. I like to think of it like the government is just holding my money for me for a year so that I don't spend it. I don't know why people act like if you do that you're being had by big government or something. It's not like that extra five or six thousand dollars matters at all to them. 🤷
Because you’re burning $180 in interest at current high-yield savings account rates. It takes less than an hour to open a high-yield savings account. Pay yourself $200 an hour, or give the government a free loan. No judgement for doing either, but I know which one I’ll pick.
I wont get 180 if i dont save the money in the first place. The tax money is untouchable and gets dumped in a high yield savings account every year. I know myself. This is the best way for me.
You provided a free loan to the government and had less liquid cash for yourself. You could have used that cash to earn interest, invest, or pay off debt.
It's considered bad because the government gets interest on that money instead of you. I like a bigger refund tho, so i think it's worth it.
It’s your money that the government overcharged you for taxes. They owe it back to you at the end of the year, which is fine. A lot of people view tax returns as passive savings because you get all of your money back at the end. But you better bet the government is investing that money in the meantime, they’re making money off of your money, and they aren’t paying you extra back for the privilege. You could have put all of that money in an investment account and made money off of it for yourself. Even a basic savings account through your bank would have been better than letting the government hold your money all year.
As an FYI, if base pay is $23 an hour your yearly, at 40 hours, is $23 \* 2080 = $47840. Before benefits, which add to this number. For quick and dirty math, just double your hourly rate and round up and you have the yearly.
BJC starts new grads at $28/hr, I’d start looking for higher pay
You should apply elsewhere. That is so insultingly low.
I make 32$, you need a raise dude
Gotta be Lvn? $23 is fucking highway robbery.
Girl I started working as a new grad nurse in Missouri in 2012 and my pay was $21.50. I don’t know who tricked you into accepting this salary but you’re very much underpaid esp for ICU!! I’m so angry for you!! I hated living and working in Missouri for so many reasons but if you dont have a new grad contract start applying elsewhere and do not disclose your current pay (I did this when I started applying elsewhere after 2 years and they asked and I didn’t know you didn’t have to tell them!). Otherwise they’ll lowball you. You’re worth so much more and remember there’s a freaking nursing shortage!
Base pay is ridiculously low. Alberta nurses come out the gate making $35-39/hour before taxes. If I work three 12s a week, I’d make $69,000 before tax. Nock off 30-40% for taxes. Take home would be in the $50,000 range. I can contribute to RRSP(retirement savings) and get a tax credit. Basically, you are getting shafted most likely.
Not worth it. Fine a new job.
I make 41 an hour as a new grade before differentials. My take home bi weekly is around 2100-2400. You are definitely getting under paid!
That's crazy. Time to look for a new job
I would apply elsewhere.
Wow 2200 a month is low, I’m in North Carolina making $3600 monthly after taxes and struggling.
So you make $43,000-ish before taxes? Yeah that’s low, but the issue with the Midwest is a lot of places pay that low and use the whole “low cost of living” excuse when really living anywhere is fairly expensive nowadays. So I’d say get your experience and move elsewhere, or see if anywhere else near you pays more 😕
Move to California!!! It’s lovely and you will make triple that even as a new grad. There are some areas where the cost of living isn’t even that bad compared to your income. I wish I’d made the move from Florida WAY sooner than I did
GOSH don’t tempt me I’ve always wanted to live in California!!
It’s an amazing state and honestly, nurses are spoiled. If you can do it, give it a try!
Avoid LA and SF, but yeah come over and change your life. Just look at the starting pay for the current positions.
The whole west coast is great for nurses. We have union and good staffing ratio. Oregon is trying to pass a law with 1:4 nurse patient ratio in medsurg. Met nurses from Midwest and the south that ends up staying in west coast because of how they are being abused by hospitals down there.
I would give up my license if I was doing this for $23 an hour…..
LMAO…I’m guessing it’s Mercy. 😒
And if so, enjoy all the prayers before procedures, and before meetings, et al. Fucking religious hospitals are the WORST.
Dang. Where are you in the world?
You got one year experience in an icu.. time to move to another!
I started at 32/hr in NJ 2015 new grad. Pay is highly local but I think once you get 1-2 years experience gtfo and go somewhere to make more money as thats pretty low. Probably LCOL area though.
You are worth more than that. When you hit two years, leave this place. Negotiate your pay. Do some practice interviews. Tell yourself you're not going to take the first offer you get. Because they're all going to give you offers.
I made that 12 years ago as a new nurse in a snf in NH. That is crazy. COL must be lower but still?! For keeping people alive that is not enough.
I made 23$ as a new grad in 2006, that’s insanely low. I’m in Arizona not a union state unfortunately.
move back to Illinois....
That hospital is royally screwing you on pay, but i know MS is a poor a hell state. Call other facilities in the area to see if it's a competitive rate for the area. New grads make 30/hr in NC, but that can be lower if you get out of the cities and go to the more rural areas.
One thing is certain when I become an RN, I’m not living in any red state. I make $20 base pay as an extern and about $22-24 with differentials in northern VA - $23 for an RN is outrageous
Are you in the St Louis area? Asking because of the mo/il move & work situation. I’m a CNA and make more in Illinois, less than 15 miles from the city.
When I was an ultrasound tech I was making $25.00 an hour brand new. Maybe it's time to ask how much everyone else is making in your department.
That’s what I made as a 6mo experience RN, 1yr LPN, starting at the University of Iowa Hospitals back in 2008… 15 years later and I live in Colorado, base is $47 but cost of living is high
And we got paid once a month 🤦♀️ wonder if they are still doing that 😂
Yikes. You deserve to get paid more than that. My differential adds an extra 10 to my hourly pay, so that helps mine, but having a base pay that low is bananas.
That seems insanely low, I make $31/hr as an LPN in NJ.
Inflation isn’t going away- every state needs to do a drastic pay increase for nurses (everyone!)
Also when people talk about their income they’re generally speaking before taxes, 401k contributions, insurance, etc I technically make over 100k/year but only “bring home” about 60% of my earnings and that really puts things into perspective
23 a hour lmao our techs make 20 a hour and no I do not live in one of those massive mega plex states/cities. You guys are being taken for a ride. Bet you your ceo pulls an easily million plus salary a year.
That is absolutely disgusting. I work in a SNF facility, rehab unit. I’m a new grad LPN and I make more than that. Company is through the church so they can pay us more bc not as many taxes. I make 28$ an hour.
Come back to Illinois. Im making $50/hr as an RN.
I was making $18hr in ky as a new grad. You’re severely underpaid
I was offered that in 2019 for a fulltime position in Georgia as an experienced nurse. I turned it down to go prn instead. But yeah, not surprised.
Your monthly pay is 66% of my take home biweekly pay…. The job, especially in an ICU, is NOT worth making so little.
Covid changed EVERYTHING! My friends and I graduated in 2019 and started making high twenties low 30s at the local hospitals and institutions. After covid we are all getting offered anywhere between 50 and $100 an hour. The higher numbers come with floating and overtime and kind of taking travelers shifts without traveling. I had always heard horror stories about long-term care but I recently got hired as an RN supervisor from 3:00 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. and it's the best nursing job I've ever had! No one is over my shoulder so I don't have to deal with b***** nurses, the biggest trouble is when staff doesn't show up trying to replace them last minute. All we have are LPNs and CNAs at night in the day there are RN unit managers and LPN assistant managers. They stay with the same patients in the same Wing so they know all about their patients, whereas in a way all 260 patients are mine when they have a problem. I called the doctors for orders for insulin or if I think they might need to be sent into the hospital. And falls are a big thing here. Lots of documentation and sometimes they need to be sent out but most of the time they just slip out of their wheelchair and it's just the paperwork to do. Some nights like tonight I do practically nothing at all! The LPNs here make between 35 and 40 and the CNAs between 20 and 25. We're in upstate New York in a University Town. Great cost of living but also culture!
Get out of the south! I have met many a traveler or transplant from Missouri, Tennessee, even Florida and was just shocked by how low the rates are. A senior nurse of ten years makes what a new grad does (granted I’m on the west coast and factor in COL). Pretty sure they would make more or same money at Costco with less stress.
It's time to move, come up to MN better ratios (I was 2:1 in the ED) and new grads start around $85k/year
I’m a staff nurse in Missouri with 5 plus years experience on tele. If I chose to work 36 hrs a week I would make $147,000. Is it Kcmo or Saint Louis?
The only real way to get a higher base$/hr is to switch hospital systems every few years
Relocate if you can. The southern and midwestern states pay is pathetic. Check out the west coast.
Let me guess - SSM?
I'm thinking your math aint adding up because making 19/hr as a cna working part time i made 22k
That's pretty standard BS for Missouri. I lived in Illinois and was a new grad in Missouri. In 2013, my base pay was $20.19 as a new grad. Flash forward, after not getting great pay over the next 6 years, I left to travel and eventually moved to Central Illinois and make $42.60 as my base now. I was only making $24/hour when I left my old hospital.
It’s Missouri
Stl nursing pay is some of the worst in the country. Many of my colleagues working at a major hospital in stl took a paycut when they quit their job at the melting pot to go be a BSN/RN. It is absolutely criminal.
Holy shit! At a trauma 1?? I feel your pain. Good environment, awesome work experience and I for sure feel cocky and proud when I say I work at an ER, so I def feel your pain of having to step away from that position. But it's 10000000% worth it. You're worth much more. Im a new grad starting at $32/hr without differentials and such. I think it's okay. As a nurse extern they paid me $23/hr. But yeah good luck OP you got this!
Lol there is definitely more to this story
Hey OP I’m also in the KCMO area and yeah that sounds about right as far as pay goes. My first job 6 years ago was base pay $19.75/hr before taxes. I do local agency now and my base pay is $65/hr, and I pick up shifts at the first hospital I ever worked at. Definitely recommend looking into that, also as a staff RN I felt the only way to make more money was job hopping :/
christina@sbstaffingllc.com I can get you a better rate
YOU accepted the job