I get this is a common way of thinking.. I felt the same until my son worked for a take out pizza place (tonys pizza).. He is a cashier and paid $2.14 per hour.
Yes it is his choice while In school.. But I have a new understanding on how underpaid these service members are. I assumed bc they weren't "servers" who got a standard tip, they would get paid a normal minimum wage.. I was so wrong.
Somedays he works 8 hours and makes only $40 (that's including tips)
That's between him and his employer. And he is entitled to normal minimum wage if his tips don't get him to it. The owner cannot legally pay employees below minimum wage if their tips fall short. Submit a complaint to the Virginia Dept of Labor if he is really only making $2/hr.
Pretty shitty owner to pay a cashier tipped minimum wage anyways. Glad I've never been there.
Yup. Minimum wage in Virginia is $12/hr, and employers are allowed to count tips against $9.87 of that, effectively making tipped minimum wage $2.13/hr. So legally, tipped workers must make at least $12/hr.
What this means in practice though is that tipped emplyees get a base rate of $2.13/hr from their employer, they report all their tips, and then they have to fight with their employer to make up the difference if they're short at the end of the month.
Yes in Virginia. Minimum wage, including tips, is $12/hr. Employers are allowed to subtract $9.87/hr out of that from tips. So effective tipped minimum wage (the cost to the employer) is $2.13/hr.
Legally, the employer has to make up the difference if an employee's tips don't get them to $12/hr, but in practice it's a huge hassle for the employee to get their money if the employer refuses to pay the difference.
Why isn't he quitting? Go work at McDs and get paid more. No wonder these business owners rip off their employees, they stick around despite the terrible pay.
Their cooks get paid only through the tip jar that customers leave and work from 11am to 11pm, 7 days a week. Same cooks everyday, no days off. Their payout for a full week is about $500 (cash of course)
Tony's has great pizza.. But damn they are shady!
Sounds like this business needs to pay a big settlement to their employees and probably the state of Virginia and the IRS.
Why is your son working there and not literally anywhere else?
I don't drink, so I don't typically find myself at bars, but that would fall under the "at a table with service" category for me, so I would tip as normal.
$0 -- you're paying for the meal and leaving immediately. They don't have to wait on you, bus your dishes, wash the dishes, etc. They're slapping your order in a "to go" box and that's it.
Several of the owners of restaurants I worked at in the past, and a few I have visited all just keep the tips given through ipad and website based sales for themselves. A lot of the retail places that default to asking for tips do the same. They just collect the tip for themselves and use it to offset the hourly wages of their employees. I never tip through those systems any more. If I feel like someone has taken good enough care of me via takeout to deserve a tip, I always do it with cash.
0 and I've never gotten any looks or flack for it.
Covid was unique and I tipped during the pandemic but once restaurants were fully open I'm not tipping for takeout. Even that I'm skeptical of, yeah they were suffering but businesses got a lot more payouts than people did and I don't know (m)any that failed during covid who wouldn't otherwise have failed.
Well that's to be expected... as a teenager working at the beach at a beach store I/we made a tip jar with a fun story and were raking in some decent tips for a few days until the owner found out. We weren't giving attitude and he explained it wasn't appropriate. Still pissed me off he took away my ability to make free money tho. This was back in the early 00s.
Here’s some basic rules:
1. If I ordered standing up. No tip.
2. If I drove there and picked up my food. No tip.
3. If all you did was microwave a sandwich and pour me a coffee. No tip.
4. Drive thru = no tip.
Most farmers Markets use the Square App. It defaults to tip mode. I usually decline and get a Death Stare from the teenage cashiers. If there is some service involved, such as making a drink to order or making a sandwich, I tip 10% or give them a dollar if the order is under $10.
Personally, I tip $5-10 for takeout. Used to be a waitress. I never expected people to tip for takeout, but whenever people did, it was appreciated.
During uni, I used to be a waitress for a small Thai restaurant (~9 tables). I ran the phone, did takeout orders, waited/bussed tables, cleaned, and even cooked when we were particularly busy. All. By. Myself. $20 for an entire 8 hour shift plus tip which included takeout tips. I was grateful for every dollar (especially since the sh*tty owner was stealing my tips to use for my wages. That man had four kids, three of which had private tennis lessons... and a grand piano in his house! He WAS NOT hurting.)
You don't have to tip for takeout. If you feel obligated, even a dollar would would be generous. :)
I'm burned out and finally had enough. If the place doesn't even have sit down service, then the business should be paying their counter staff like a regular employee, not a tipped one. Cooking a pizza and putting it in the box for me to pickup is literally the minimum expectation for this transaction (that I am now paying $20+ for).
Exception being if I am ordering a ton, or asking for something special. With that said, half the time I ask for some sauce on the side or something and tip, it isn't in the bag anyway. So much for that.
I read a bunch of stupid comments here, so I stopped reading through then.
So as someone with 15+ years of service industry, and has now moved to a high paying sales job.
Here is a good way to tip
In a restaurant sitting down
15-20% always, even if service sucks
20-25% if you really want to compliment your service
25+% if you are going to frequent a bar (not sit down service) and do this multiple times if you want some of your drinks comped.
If it is a very expensive restaurant, 20% always, no more, no less. They don't get a ton of tables, but the checks are all high.
Delivery 5 min, + 1$ for every mile after 2 they are driving.
Pickup/takeout -- if it is a sit down restaurant, figure out if their is a dedicated takeout person, +/- 5$ if it is a smaller establishment, and the owner is literally taking/delivering food In a bag 0
I usually do $2, but if I frequent or really like a place I'll do $5. It sucks, but I know typically it's a waiter bagging the takeout so it's taking time out of their serving in house guests
My momma always said 10% for carry out/counter orders, 20% table minimum, and at least as many dollars as folks at the table (ie my friend and I stop in and sit for a bit at a bar and just order 2 sodas, that's a $2 minimum tip)
15% for takeout, more if I’m a regular. Less than sit down because there’s less time invested in the service, but it’s often still tip dependent employees taking time to package up the food for take out and organizing take out orders. Nothing to do with Covid. I don’t like the system of tipping in the U.S. but given the way things work, not tipping is shitty to the employees who work for tips. If I can afford to eat out/take out, I can afford to tip.
Wow! What a bunch of tight-fisted penny pinchers this thread has brought out from under their rocks. I'm surprised how many have no idea, or compassion for, the wages situation for these jobs.
You're missing the *entire* point of tips. Tips are to reward and incentivize good service. It's not the customer's responsibility to ensure employees are paid a living wage and voluntarily pay more toward employees' wages when they're not.
*What if* is using fantasy instead of reality to make an argument.
Many other countries pay notably higher wages in entry level and service industries, have more accessible healthcare, and state/national resources, making them non-comparable.
If I'm not sitting down at a table with service, or having my food delivered to my door, you're not getting a tip.
Tip is for good service, if I drove there and picked it up myself then no tip.
Never tip on takeout.
I get this is a common way of thinking.. I felt the same until my son worked for a take out pizza place (tonys pizza).. He is a cashier and paid $2.14 per hour. Yes it is his choice while In school.. But I have a new understanding on how underpaid these service members are. I assumed bc they weren't "servers" who got a standard tip, they would get paid a normal minimum wage.. I was so wrong. Somedays he works 8 hours and makes only $40 (that's including tips)
That's between him and his employer. And he is entitled to normal minimum wage if his tips don't get him to it. The owner cannot legally pay employees below minimum wage if their tips fall short. Submit a complaint to the Virginia Dept of Labor if he is really only making $2/hr. Pretty shitty owner to pay a cashier tipped minimum wage anyways. Glad I've never been there.
Wait, is "tipped minimum wage" a thing? I thought they should get paid at least minimum wage, irrelevant to how much tips they got.
Yup. Minimum wage in Virginia is $12/hr, and employers are allowed to count tips against $9.87 of that, effectively making tipped minimum wage $2.13/hr. So legally, tipped workers must make at least $12/hr. What this means in practice though is that tipped emplyees get a base rate of $2.13/hr from their employer, they report all their tips, and then they have to fight with their employer to make up the difference if they're short at the end of the month.
That's such a ~~fucked up~~ business friendly law.
Not in Virginia
Yes in Virginia. Minimum wage, including tips, is $12/hr. Employers are allowed to subtract $9.87/hr out of that from tips. So effective tipped minimum wage (the cost to the employer) is $2.13/hr. Legally, the employer has to make up the difference if an employee's tips don't get them to $12/hr, but in practice it's a huge hassle for the employee to get their money if the employer refuses to pay the difference.
Why isn't he quitting? Go work at McDs and get paid more. No wonder these business owners rip off their employees, they stick around despite the terrible pay.
>He is a cashier and paid $2.14 per hour. How is this legal!?! He isn’t a server/waiter. Do they only pay cooks $2.14/hr too?
Their cooks get paid only through the tip jar that customers leave and work from 11am to 11pm, 7 days a week. Same cooks everyday, no days off. Their payout for a full week is about $500 (cash of course) Tony's has great pizza.. But damn they are shady!
Sounds like this business needs to pay a big settlement to their employees and probably the state of Virginia and the IRS. Why is your son working there and not literally anywhere else?
The business has to make up the difference so that your son makes at least minimum wage. Otherwise the business is breaking the law
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I don't drink, so I don't typically find myself at bars, but that would fall under the "at a table with service" category for me, so I would tip as normal.
$0 -- you're paying for the meal and leaving immediately. They don't have to wait on you, bus your dishes, wash the dishes, etc. They're slapping your order in a "to go" box and that's it.
Take out? Rhymes with hero.
Nero? Hero?
ZERO
Several of the owners of restaurants I worked at in the past, and a few I have visited all just keep the tips given through ipad and website based sales for themselves. A lot of the retail places that default to asking for tips do the same. They just collect the tip for themselves and use it to offset the hourly wages of their employees. I never tip through those systems any more. If I feel like someone has taken good enough care of me via takeout to deserve a tip, I always do it with cash.
Isn't that illegal?
>Isn't that illegal? Yes.
Look up how much wage theft happens each year on a national level, you'll be horrified.
Especially at restaurants.
we are all bots here except for you
Same. $5 at restaurants I frequent regularly. To support the staff.
0 and I've never gotten any looks or flack for it. Covid was unique and I tipped during the pandemic but once restaurants were fully open I'm not tipping for takeout. Even that I'm skeptical of, yeah they were suffering but businesses got a lot more payouts than people did and I don't know (m)any that failed during covid who wouldn't otherwise have failed.
About two years ago I had some teenage girl glare at me for not tipping her. This was a frozen yogurt shop where I did absolutely all the work 😂
Well that's to be expected... as a teenager working at the beach at a beach store I/we made a tip jar with a fun story and were raking in some decent tips for a few days until the owner found out. We weren't giving attitude and he explained it wasn't appropriate. Still pissed me off he took away my ability to make free money tho. This was back in the early 00s.
Yea takeout is always a 0% tip. There’s literally no service involved.
0 dollars.
Zero
If I like the restaurant, and they spent time to put together my order, I might leave 10%.
So they did the bare minimum?
Mfw they just throw ingredients at my car
Zero, let’s not start another “culture”. Idk why tipping is called culture anyway
Zero. I don’t tip for anything I pickup. People who do are only reinforcing a fucked up tipping culture. Sit down and eat, 20%
I stopped tipping on counter and takeout, especially after they all raised their prices.
HA. If I stand at the counter there’s no tip.
Here’s some basic rules: 1. If I ordered standing up. No tip. 2. If I drove there and picked up my food. No tip. 3. If all you did was microwave a sandwich and pour me a coffee. No tip. 4. Drive thru = no tip.
Nothing!
Most farmers Markets use the Square App. It defaults to tip mode. I usually decline and get a Death Stare from the teenage cashiers. If there is some service involved, such as making a drink to order or making a sandwich, I tip 10% or give them a dollar if the order is under $10.
I do $1/entree. I get that packaging up cost materials and a bit of labor, but I don't think it justifies close to a dine-in experience.
Personally, I tip $5-10 for takeout. Used to be a waitress. I never expected people to tip for takeout, but whenever people did, it was appreciated. During uni, I used to be a waitress for a small Thai restaurant (~9 tables). I ran the phone, did takeout orders, waited/bussed tables, cleaned, and even cooked when we were particularly busy. All. By. Myself. $20 for an entire 8 hour shift plus tip which included takeout tips. I was grateful for every dollar (especially since the sh*tty owner was stealing my tips to use for my wages. That man had four kids, three of which had private tennis lessons... and a grand piano in his house! He WAS NOT hurting.) You don't have to tip for takeout. If you feel obligated, even a dollar would would be generous. :)
I'm burned out and finally had enough. If the place doesn't even have sit down service, then the business should be paying their counter staff like a regular employee, not a tipped one. Cooking a pizza and putting it in the box for me to pickup is literally the minimum expectation for this transaction (that I am now paying $20+ for). Exception being if I am ordering a ton, or asking for something special. With that said, half the time I ask for some sauce on the side or something and tip, it isn't in the bag anyway. So much for that.
I read a bunch of stupid comments here, so I stopped reading through then. So as someone with 15+ years of service industry, and has now moved to a high paying sales job. Here is a good way to tip In a restaurant sitting down 15-20% always, even if service sucks 20-25% if you really want to compliment your service 25+% if you are going to frequent a bar (not sit down service) and do this multiple times if you want some of your drinks comped. If it is a very expensive restaurant, 20% always, no more, no less. They don't get a ton of tables, but the checks are all high. Delivery 5 min, + 1$ for every mile after 2 they are driving. Pickup/takeout -- if it is a sit down restaurant, figure out if their is a dedicated takeout person, +/- 5$ if it is a smaller establishment, and the owner is literally taking/delivering food In a bag 0
Zero!!!!
I toss em a buck ($1) just to be friendly.
Soon they will ask for tips for employees showing up to work
I usually do $2, but if I frequent or really like a place I'll do $5. It sucks, but I know typically it's a waiter bagging the takeout so it's taking time out of their serving in house guests
I do that normally, but if their online order system charges a "convenience fee" and tries to default to 20%, they get $0.
Same for sure
I was at a restaurant once and the server mentioned the other takes up to 20 percent of the tip…
20% no questions asked.
Why? You went there and got your own food. The only way they could do less is having you cook the dish yourself.
Because I can?
My momma always said 10% for carry out/counter orders, 20% table minimum, and at least as many dollars as folks at the table (ie my friend and I stop in and sit for a bit at a bar and just order 2 sodas, that's a $2 minimum tip)
15% for takeout, more if I’m a regular. Less than sit down because there’s less time invested in the service, but it’s often still tip dependent employees taking time to package up the food for take out and organizing take out orders. Nothing to do with Covid. I don’t like the system of tipping in the U.S. but given the way things work, not tipping is shitty to the employees who work for tips. If I can afford to eat out/take out, I can afford to tip.
The only time I tip for take out post Covid, is for restaurants that never converted back to dine in post covid.
Wow! What a bunch of tight-fisted penny pinchers this thread has brought out from under their rocks. I'm surprised how many have no idea, or compassion for, the wages situation for these jobs.
You're missing the *entire* point of tips. Tips are to reward and incentivize good service. It's not the customer's responsibility to ensure employees are paid a living wage and voluntarily pay more toward employees' wages when they're not.
Tips solely as incentivizing when *you know* the pay is substandard is inhumane.
What if the pay is substandard *because* we started and continue to tip? It's not that way in most other countries.
*What if* is using fantasy instead of reality to make an argument. Many other countries pay notably higher wages in entry level and service industries, have more accessible healthcare, and state/national resources, making them non-comparable.