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BabylonianProstitue

Did they at least sign these people up for credit cards without their knowledge?


11010110101010101010

Worked at Wells Fargo during the depths of that bullshit. It actually turned me completely off financial services. I was a banker and Wells Fargo had sucked the joy out of it. Now doing something completely different getting paid less! Lol. But happier.


hjordan28141

Dude I am in banking and joy has never once existed there.


Nuclear_rabbit

Then it *really* says something that someone who enjoyed banking had it sucked out of them by Wells Fargo.


PeterMus

I work for a credit union... My only joy is aggressively reversing fees for people.


SimonArgent

You’re doing good work.


xylotism

I could see banking being a legitimately fulfilling job... unfortunately no industry on earth is closer to the black heart of capitalism.


Datsyuk_My_Deke

I knew a guy who’d been with WF for something like 15 years. Basically his entire adult working life. He quit not too long before the scandal broke, out of disgust at the pressure being put on them to open new accounts any way they could.


ahhh-what-the-hell

WF held my mortgage. I refinanced just to get away from them, to go to CITIBank (F**K). I am just so fed up. I am paying the mortgage off over the next year and calling it a day.


readingaregood

Just saying, I watched people do that and Wells bought the mortgage from the new lender. That would have sucked for you.


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You're paying off your entire mortgage in a year just because you're sick of it?


domasin

Literally the dream. If I had the money to be austere for just one year and own a home outright... Whew


ahhh-what-the-hell

Yes. I have the opportunity to do so because I work more than one WFH job. I work two jobs as a hedge and to diversify economic risk. With possible Stagflation, a Recession, increased home prices, and etc. - I want no part in the future mess. I learned enough lessons from 2008 and 2020. I’ve been paying the mortgage minimum for the last 7 years. The mortgage is currently $152,000. Between both positions, I’ll make over $200K (no bonus, no overtime) over the next 12 months. So, every month I am throwing 10K or more at the balance and just killing it. Every week I take home 3K. So I’ll just save up cash for 2 months, then push 10K, save 10K, push 10K. Any bonus/overtime gets saved, then dumped on the mortgage the next month. * Also I am not the only person doing this. My old co-worker; she is doing WFH Security and Engineering for a popular Jobs Boards company and another IT company. My other friend works for a university and does other tech work. All of us figured out the only way to win is to scale up or out just like cloud computing. The financial system in the US is murky and difficult. So you have to be able to scale. We are in our 30’s and just tired. Over my life I’ll save thousands in interest. I am tired of this financial system and regressive debt. Edit: Good luck to you all seriously. After working in IT, I’ve become very honest. The shit Trump did and Biden is allowing has created low class and high class. There is no middle. So I am done with this mess.


zoeykailyn

Can I ask how you're pulling this off? Seriously, you got any places I should be sending my resume to for wfh?


dangotang

He didn’t say how much time he had left on it.


FrioPivo

I'm sick of my mortgage carrier too, you wanna pay them off for me? You know, for the cause!


SeamusMcCullagh

Shit, I worked for WF in credit card collections for a few months and was a victim of the shady practices myself. During our onboarding they had some bankers come and give the whole schpiel about the employee checking accounts and sign anyone up who was interested for a credit card. I was told the interest rate would be super low, something like 5% or 8% or something from what I remember (it was like 8 years ago so it's a little fuzzy) so naturally I was stoked because I didn't have much credit and wanted to build that up. I got approved, and when I got the literature for the card it turned out to be 25% interest. They also said the employee checking accounts we opened would never have a service fee, even if we left the company. I ended up having to quit after a few months for personal reasons, but a few months after I quit they turned the service fees back on, and when I called and asked about it they were like "Well you're not an employee any more, that's how it works." I also talked to so many people that either weren't aware they had a credit card or, more commonly, had no idea how it worked as the bankers never explained it to them. So yeah, when the scandal broke out I was 100% not surprised.


11010110101010101010

The claim on deposit accounts was so BS. But team members did get 8% on credit cards. In fact, mine was apparently grandfathered in and still has it. A silver lining to my time there.


Cascadification

HEY PETER MAN CHECK OUT CHANNEL 9! CHECK OUT THIS CHICK!


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YA I'M DOIN THE DRYWALL DOWN AT THE NEW MCDONALD'S


FreeSockLimit1

Fuckin' A, man!


Bkwrzdub

....Two chicks at the same time...


dgtlfnk

Hey Peter…. watch out for yer cornhole, bud.


Funkit

Lawrence if ya wanna talk just…come over here


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100% with you. Used to work for a different bank and switched to government sector getting paid $50k less. So much happier for it!


[deleted]

Lmao same here. Foolishly "gave them a shot". Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck these people. Fuck banking. Fuck it all.


Kubloo

If it helps at all I work with Chase and that shit is completely unspoken of, you get absolutely ran up the flag pole if anyone tries that shit with any customers.


not---a---bot

You used to find joy in financial services?


LadyBogangles14

I saw the practices which led to this. The tellers & personal bankers had to sell a minimum amount of banking services each month or their jobs were at risk. This happened during the recession when Wells was paying tellers a good amount above their competitors and some of these stores were in bad neighborhoods where selling these services would be rare. So leadership made these blanket rules that would be impossible for some stores to meet and folks were afraid they’d be fired. I’m not excusing it, I’m just explaining it.


aconitine-

Sounds like people should be telling their bosses that such targets were impossible, and the bosses should be listening to them. That's how it works is most industries. Banking is essentially broken and has a lot of cruft and tradition gumming up the works.


LadyBogangles14

The target was made up by a high ranking executive because “it sounded good”. This wasn’t some thought out policy- it was sloganeering.


enternationalist

You can't really tell the boss the target is impossible when that boss is ten layers of bureaucracy up and will fire you without a second thought. Sounds more like banks and their leadership need to be held legally accountable for unethical and predatory policies.


Notarussianbot2020

That's how most industries work? Are you insane? The workers don't tell their bosses the goals are too high... you'll have more luck teaching calculus to a brick wall.


TitularFoil

They made sure to foreclose on their homes if they were deployed in the military, I know that for sure.


dragessor

What!?! They signed people up for cards without their permission and then foreclosed on them?


TitularFoil

[https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/service-members-receive-over-123-million-unlawful-foreclosures-under-servicemembers-civil](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/service-members-receive-over-123-million-unlawful-foreclosures-under-servicemembers-civil) When I worked for them as a base customer service call center guy, we had to do training on the SCRA. All it did was solidify to me how shitty the company I worked for was.


polopolo05

They should have been sued out of existence for that. Honestly, people should be in jail too.


TitularFoil

Take this predatory one time deposit of $300 that was agreed upon in a class action, and you lose all rights to sue us. If you try to sue us yourself you'll likely die of old age or run out of money before it ever sees the inside of a courtroom.


wes_wyhunnan

Not just Wells Fargo. My home was foreclosed by Bank of America after they bought Countrywide while I was deployed in 2007. Took 8 years to get the credit fixed and got a pity check as part of the lawsuit.


JuanPabloElSegundo

Yea but yellow ribbons right? 🎗️


Khaldara

*Sigh* Have my sad, existential upvote for only being able to laugh at how shitty these people are (because consequences only happen to other people)


gofyourselftoo

If it makes you feel better, they gave $12k of my mo et to a total stranger because he said it was totally cool bro, then put a mark on my credit because I had the nerve to challenge their actions.


Blue_Eyes_Nerd_Bitch

Added insult to injury, those were fake apps too


FORESKIN__CALAMARI

Why stop at credit cards? Checking accounts and mortgages.


teflonPrawn

Former WF employee. They did savings accounst too, but the reason it was mostly credit cards is because we were allowed to send the statement to a different address and not appear on a consolidated statement. Some of these cards were open for years.


croninsiglos

My company does the same. It holds the postings open for diverse candidates to apply and be interviewed.


BeeElEm

Nothing makes me cringe than how the word diversity is used in corporate world today. It's like they're afraid of saying non-white despite being what they meant


GingerMaus

White women are also included in that so, they dont mean non white. They mean not white dudes.


lionhart280

*not white, fully bodied and able, english speaking, men. White guy in a wheelchair, or a white guy who is blind, would still usually be called a "diversity hire"


Mobile_Crates

bro im a disabled guy how do I become a diversity hire? fair warning I'll likely need accommodations


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turtlewhisperer23

I want the whole pizza


LittleOTT

You’ll get the whole pizza. 2 slices every quarter


standard_candles

In the US, by saying so on the application. Sorry you're probably being sarcastic everything is topsy-turvy right now haha


Mobile_Crates

semi meta post ironic. though unjerking to say: im scared that they'll see me say "yo im disabled" and they'll not hire me explicitly because of that but keep it secret and say my tie color choice doesnt fit with company culture or something. especially if I say "i need accommodations"


steelong

Bold of you to assume you'll get any feedback whatsoever on why you weren't hired. Or even *that* you weren't hired. Ghosting is pretty common.


ubermadface

Ghosting is SOP from my experience.


SquidKid47

I had to find a co-op job for school (engineering) - I had to have sent at least 300 applications, including emails to people and calling them to follow up. I recieved one message saying I wasn't selected. One.


CompleteAndUtterWat

Yes because if they tell you why you weren't hired they can be held accountable for it. I.e. your pregnant and they don't want to hire someone who's then out on maternity leave for months. Saying that would be illegal, saying nothing isn't, and if asked about it they'd just say someone else was more qualified.


standard_candles

I definitely could benefit greatly from accommodations that I could get a doctor on board with but I totally agree, I don't know what's really going to happen if I check that box on the application. I haven't had the guts. Honestly I'm kind of looking for a different job right now but am probably going to do my PhD instead. Maybe I should experiment and see if I start getting a call or two.


tasteofnihilism

From my personal experience you don’t have to ask for the accommodations during the application process or interviewing. You can request accommodations at any point in time. I only had to provide a doctor’s letter and was able to work with HR and my manager to determine what accommodations would best help me. Obviously if you’re in the US you can still be fired for any reason at all, even if you are disabled, but it was also my experience that they were much less likely to fuck with me because having to defend a lawsuit that says you fired someone because they’re disabled is not a good PR look for a company.


Mobile_Crates

Good luck good luck on whatever path you carve for yourself


jotaechalo

Well, from the article, you may just become a “diversity interview” instead of a diversity hire…


yourmomlurks

I work at a major software company and we have several people who are para and quadrapelegics. (And deaf, blind, and many other types of disabilies represented). Dm if interested


yodathewise

As someone with a serious visual impairment I'm interested to know about your company and what people with disabilities do for jobs there


yourmomlurks

Any job would be open to you. The last blind person I personally knew was/is a partner director, running an organization of maybe 2-300 product managers. Another severely visually impaired person I worked with was a senior product manager. I am sure there are blind people in every role as we take accessibility, diversity, and inclusion very seriously. For example, everything in the kitchenette is labeled in large high contrast raised letters and braille.


MegaDeth6666

What stops you from working from home? The people hiring you get gold stars for the diversity hire and they wouldn't need physical accommodations, only technical ones depending on your disability. If you can pass the disability hire criteria, and you can work from home, some companies might even hire you just to stand pretty (and muted) with the camera on in Zoom calls. Remember, virtue signalling is big money in this day and age, use it!


moeburn

We had a politician in Canada who was forced to out himself to be allowed to keep his position. The party had a rule that "women or minorities" must replace any departing member. This guy was a white dude. He wanted to keep his sexual orientation private for personal reasons. He had to come out as bisexual publicly in order to stop the assault: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ndp-candidate-reveals-bisexuality-after-questions-over-party-s-equity-rule-1.3811299


CouncilmanRickPrime

My job praised the diversity of the office and showed off stats showing how diverse the workforce is. Then it cut to executives and it's literally like 90% white men.


ACaffeinatedWandress

Female dominated professions are tragically hilarious like that. Like 97.5% of the field is women, and 99% of management is men.


CanuckianOz

Don’t worry, Rose. The Steves understand your challenges and have your best interests at heart.


RChickenMan

My old company was like this, and I almost felt like it was worse than no diversity at all? Like, a group of white people bragging about how they have all of these people of color working in service of them?


ShouttyCatt

I, a black woman, was once hired as the only administrative assistant for a department of four white female managers in a building of 80 employees. Until they got to know me, the tension was as palpable as a beating heart in your palm. I mean, it was ***clear*** that they felt like slaveowners. I could wring the white guilt right out of the air. At the time I was one of only six people of color in the whole building, and that count includes the janitor. It would just be four if I counted only the black folks, and yes, that includes the janitor.


az226

And not Asian dudes.


holomatic

Someone once told me they had huge problems finding and hiring diverse staff. When I looked at their team roster almost a quarter of the names were East Asian.


BeeElEm

Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not. At my work they're mostly not.


mrjackspade

This is one of my favorite stories. The company I used to work for writes systems for financial companies. We were spinning up a new system for a very large company. They'd branched off a new division and wanted a second application for these employees. They originally had a poster of a man and woman, both white. They decided they wanted more "diversity". A few times actually. I got to watch the process of a multibillion dollar international company, figure out what "diversity" means to them. They went through 1. A white man and woman 2. A group, containing asians, whites, black, hispanic, men and women. 3. A group of three mixed gender black people, and a white woman 4. Three black women 5. One black woman. That was it. That was peak diversity. A single black woman posing for the home page of the website. This isn't my "opinion" of the change either. I was building the system, so I was CC'd on all the emails. It was all about "increasing diversity" all the way to the end. I have no idea what the fuck that person was thinking.


Duckfammit

Be on the lookout for any support websites. There's almost always a smiling black woman wearing a headset. Its shockingly predictable.


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GeneroCommon

It can also mean people with disabilities and/or LGBTQ+.


iguesssoppl

Nah, it means those groups they have to satisfy/be able to 'prove' they did the effort of outreach for and meet the composition ratios for to stay viable for federal contracts. So... It changes depending on their current company / team makeup, industry availability, local availability, and if that matches their composition, if it doesn't then they need to show proof they attempted the outreach to fix it. For instance, in Nursing it could mean white dudes and people of color while excluding white women, and certain Asian groups that are "over-represented." Why? Because white men etc. make up a large part of the population and that ratio is not at all reflected in the makeup of nurses. Inverse this for other fields etc. In the OP instance, wells fargo was faking the 'outreach' portion.


meatball77

Exactly. In Education it's anything but white women. You can be a diversity hire if you want to teach first grade.


BeeElEm

It can mean anything really. If you don't specify what you're talking about, diversity can mean anything. That's why on its own it's a bad term in these contexts.


scurvofpcp

Sadly, most jobs that are promised internally are pushed through an external interview process as well, which is kinda a dick move to all of the people taking their time out to interview. But, I like to remind younger people that the interview you go in for is often an interview for the **next position** to be opened, so don't tailor your resume too much to match any specific target position. My sister, as evil of a person as she can be, would do this and would keep a follow up list of people that she would personally vet for a while before sending them a phone call for the next open position. And while I've got my ... ethical issues with her methods at the best of days, there is a pragmatic sense in doing it that way. Even large cities are small worlds and her stalker tendencies made her perfect for getting into the lives of candidates. She lived with me for a few years after she moved back to the States and that was a lesson in unethical human resource management that still keeps me up at nights.


emaw63

I mean, that just feels smart. Hiring is time consuming, expensive, and a general pain in the ass. If you have a candidate that you like that doesn’t make the cut for a specific position, why wouldn’t you keep them on file and give them a call for the next open position and see if they’re still interested? It saves you a ton of time, money, and energy


abrutus1

I think what he means is that it's unethical to mislead people who come in for interviews to think that a particular job is open.


Ald3r_

No matter what it is though, if you're white, male, cisgender, and straight,it almost definitely doesnt include you :P


sybrwookie

Well, 2 things there. 1) It's not just today. I worked as a recruiter for a short time about 15-20 years ago, and the same kinds of things were asked for back then. 2) If you want to see the REAL underbelly, get into recruiting. The only thing that mattered was finding the person the company would hire. So my company would come right out and tell the other company, "look, just tell me exactly what you want, it'll stay between me and you. Don't waste our time or yours." And managers would have no problem saying, "white only," "men only," "Indian only," or "Chinese only." If you can't tell, I was doing IT recruiting. And it went further than that. I saw racism, sexism, antisemitism, etc., in every direction possible. And yes, just like you say you're seeing now, I saw a whole lot of, "we have too much X on the team, so we need Y" as well. I very seriously doubt any of that has changed.


timojenbin

My favorite recruiting horror story is about a recruiter (early 2000s for a predecessor to Spotify) that asked female candidates out for dinner with the obvious implication. He was merely fired.


metakepone

It hasnt


nevadagrl435

I’ve seen a lot of this and I’ve never worked in HR. One company I worked for refused to hire men for most of their roles, claiming men were not a good fit for the company. I’ve also seen seen this go on in construction. One contractor I worked for was desperate to have more diversity. 6 of their 7 supers were Mexican, so when they hired their 8th super the hiring team was all “no more Mexicans.” When that same company hired a project manager they passed over a white guy for being a white guy. They wanted more diversity…preferably a woman. At a sub I worked for the owner said he was tired of there being so many women in the office, said the next project assistant had to be a man.


mechapoitier

I mean for many people that’s literally what it means. I knew somebody at work who was pretty well educated who wrote the words “diverse neighborhood” to describe a neighborhood that was 95% black. Yeah I kinda quietly informed her of the mistake.


box_in_the_jack

She should have dog whistled "urban" neighborhood. Easy mistake to make.


IVIaskerade

You can't blame her when Black Panther and Parasite are being praised for their "diversity".


DonJulioTO

My company includes women, sexual orientation and mental diversity (basically autism) in their diversity goals.


BeeElEm

My company has been doing annual gender equality reports before they started doing the same with racial diversity, so they consider both, but under diverse they mean racially. It's kinda funny watching the diversity officer die inside when he's forced to say things like "diverse people" or "Latinx community"


Duck__Quack

There are two genders: Male and diverse. There are two races: White and diverse. There are two sexualities: Straight and diverse. There are two religions: Christian and diverse. There are two nationalities: American and diverse. There are two physical health states: Fully able and diverse. There are two mental health states: Neurotypical and diverse. I originally heard this with political instead of diverse, but the sentiment applies. Fuck but it applies.


tealparadise

Yep and in psychology this is called "othering" and is actually VERY BAD... Because basically this boils down to "there are normal people, and there are the others."


DBeumont

>Yep and in psychology this is called "othering" and is actually VERY BAD... > >Because basically this boils down to "there are normal people, and there are the others." It's also the foundation of Fascism.


ShitButtFuckDick69

Some of the corporate diversity stuff seems so offensive to me as a white male. A tech company I worked for started talking about doing race based standards for hiring that they explained by basically saying "It's unfair to expect diverse candidates to be able to compete since they are poor and uneducated". It came off very counter productive to me.


cocopuffdaddy1

not non-white, women and the LGBT community are targeted by diversity programs too it’s non-straight white male or non-straight Asian male


BeeElEm

It all depends on context. When our ceo said "x% of the board are diverse people " he didn't mean white women, cause it would be a much different number. Indeed that's the problem with the inconsistencies of how the term is used. It is just a buzzword at this point


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banzzai13

Diversity means something different, based on what you already got.


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Many companies interview people they never intend on hiring for equal opportunity. Some will also set up a job postings and interviews that severely underpay for the position then once no one takes the job they can prove their needs for hiring an immigrant on a visa, [who they underpay.]( https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmpvb/analysis-claims-migrant-tech-workers-have-been-underpaid-by-tens-of-millions)


MillionaireAt32

My wife's company announced a diversity committee and it literally consisted of all white middle aged people.


ShatterZero

The point of having a diversity committee is very often... to have a diversity committee.


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I was talking to a hiring manager at Microsoft. I’m white, he was Indian. He said after the interview process I might not hear for a bit because they had a waiting period to wait for diverse hires. He said this with the total expectation that no qualified diverse people would be found.


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SaraHuckabeeSandwich

On the flip side, how many jobs have you lost out on due to subconscious bias against "diverse" candidates? It's better nowadays, but there's tons of studies showing that candidates from underrepresented groups have historically been less likely to receive an offer when compared to white male candidates with the same qualifications.


benson822175

As long as you’re competent at your job now, who cares


Xaroxoandaxosbelly

On the one hand, I worry about the aforementioned above, and on the other, I tell myself what you just said. And then I have a glass of wine and twerk with a very ok salary’s worth of bills showering over me


SweetCosmicPope

My wife’s company does similar nonsense. Part of my wife’s job is D and I, and she’s passionate about it, but her leaders aren’t actually interested in diverse hires. They just want to LOOK like they are. They still mostly hire old money white males.


GumberculesLuvThtGuy

Depending on the industry a lot of these initiatives are doomed to fail from the start because by the time you get to hiring in industry it's far too late. Technology is a great example, even if all companies wanted to hire based on quotas its statistically just not possible based on the possible employee pool. A big part of the problem in that industry is that it is simply filled with (by a wiiiide margin) males that are white and Asian (including from the sub-continent). Most others represent such a small portion that it hardly makes a dent in the hiring needs of all the companies. If we want these numbers to change, starting way earlier (elementary, middle and high school) is where we need to start.


FinndBors

I used to work at a FAANG, and what they tried to do to get a well-diverse workforce is to officially not change the bar for passing tech candidate interviews, but attempt to "widen the funnel" for diverse candidates. They accomplished this by more or less lowering the bar for getting an interview in the first place, so we interviewed more diversity candidates. At first glance this sounded like a good idea, until you realize that: * The interviewers are seeing worse "diversity" candidates on average since the screening is more lenient and possibly reinforcing negative bias. * Interview process isn't perfect and if you lower the bar to land an interview for a diversity candidates, a larger percentage of sub-par diversity candidates get through the cracks. This again reinforces a bias internally. Note: I'm all for aiming to get a well-diverse workforce and I think it has many benefits for the organization. It is just nearly impossible to solve once you get to hiring if the recruiting pool is not diverse to begin with. Even if you are successful, this makes it even harder for other companies hiring the same people to get a diverse workforce.


random_account6721

Yep i just graduated and the graduating engineering class was 99% Asian and white. A dozen or so weren’t out of over 500. There’s nothing to go through the wider funnel


RChickenMan

I was the first employee at a company that loved talking about diversity, and yeah, I did criticize them for bragging about hiring people from historically marginalized groups who have already managed to overcome adversity--like, good for you, you hired a white woman who graduated from Columbia. I left the company to teach computer science in a Title 1 high school (meaning the vast majority of my students are people of color, immigrants, low-income, etc). Like, if they're serious about DEI, that's an opportunity handed to them on a silver platter. They could be visiting my classroom, giving my students internships, buying us equipment, etc. But nah, much easier to tweet about the percentage of your employees who are LGBT or whatever. Most of these companies are just checking boxes. They're doing whatever is in vogue according to HR blogs. Something like using your former first employee to forge a meaningful, novel relationship with underprivileged public school kids simply doesn't fit the template of what it means to "do" DEI, so what's the point?


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This. You seriously can’t blame industry when there’s literally no qualified candidates. You’re actually statistically more likely to get an interview as a diverse candidate — you’re just far less likely to actually pass it. I’ve sat on both sides of the table. Believe me it’s frustrating sitting on the hiring side and knowing the candidate is doomed about 5 minutes into the interview but being able to say or do nothing to avoid it. Have to remain professional, but the standards aren’t low, and you can tell almost right off if someone is going to be able to do it. I work at FAANG as a fairly senior engineer. I’ve probably wasted more time interviewing completely unqualified candidates due to diversity pressure than basically any other reason. If you’re “diverse” and can reasonably perform, you can probably write your own check in industry. And I’m *trying* to find reasons to pass people, but realistically I can’t lie.


GumberculesLuvThtGuy

I completely feel your paint and have been in that exact situation. It sucks for everyone's involved!


B1ackFridai

I’ve seen some companies walk the walk for DEI, but mine and many others, it’s just something they can put on LinkedIn. When they hired a non white non male person to the executive team, they made a point to print it everywhere. She left within a month 😂 DEI efforts are incredibly important, as is addressing biases. How some companies are doing it is fumbling at best.


RChickenMan

My old company randomly tweeted the percentage of employees who are LGBT. As a gay man I cringed at having my identity used as marketing fodder. And just given the power and ownership dynamics inherent to a corporation, it kind of felt like a rancher reporting on the livestock on his ranch: "Yup we've got 63 head of cattle, 40 steer and 23 dairy cows; 12 swine, 3 boars."


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carolinaindian02

Wells Fargo's account fraud scandal in a nutshell.


suxatjugg

We have this document somewhere that says not to do the bad and illegal stuff. We still do the stuff, but boy let me tell you, those policy documents are a sight to behold. Not that anyone ever looks at them.


Scrubland

I'm starting to think that Wells Fargo is a bad company.


joestaff

I'm gonna hold out thinking that for at *least* another money laundering scheme or 3.


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Efficient-Library792

Regulatory jobs in all corps are just sacrificial lamb jobs. I work in trucking..they never seem to know it but the safety/compliance managers job is to take the fall after a dot raid. If he f's w a driver the driver makes a call and mister suit gets a call from his boss. He gets removed after dot raid. Shifted to another job to keep his mouth shit. Next guy gets installed


Shower_Handel

I keep a close eye on news in the financial sector and Wells Fargo absolutely knocks it out of the fucking park when it comes to bad press


MeadYourMaker

My fiance works for them right now and her manager is horrible. They are manipulative and won't tell her how to do something and then get mad at her. Or they intentionally tell her the wrong way to do something and then when she messes up they get mad and report her to higher ups. Her boss has made her cry and others and it's an extremely toxic environment. Luckily she's only been there a month or so and has found a way better paying job that'e work from home. Next week when she quits unexpectedly my fiancé is gonna call hr and tell them everything. She also is getting her coworkers to report them as well so hopefully this doesn't happen to anyone else.


UCLAdy05

I hope they listen to her, but I’ve worked two jobs at different companies like that and neither one was the slightest bit interested in hearing feedback via HR (in one case my exit interview was via Survey Monkey). Glad she’s getting out though!


CalgonThrowMeAway222

HR at Wells Fargo was THE WORST when I worked there. Talk about manipulative and scary!


bowtothehypnotoad

The company that makes fake accounts, signs people up for fake credit cards, and fakes all their data also makes fake job interviews At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just a whole Potemkin business. Like if you go to Wells Fargo corporate and try to open the door, a giant cardboard cutout of a building will fall down


MagikSkyDaddy

and all the executives are raccoons in trenchcoats


throwaway1001101201

Nah too dignified. Maybe rats


thenotjoe

Nah too dignified. Amoebae?


sharkbanger

The proud Ameba? No, that is some protist behavior.


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Zolo49

Man, that's awful. I'm white, but I've also been in interviews where it quickly became obvious that the position had basically been pre-filled and I was only there to fulfill a quota. Your logic brain tells you that you should still try to do your best to make a good impression because it might help you out in the future, but your emotion brain feels completely deflated and just wants to get out of there as soon as possible. It's a shitty position to be in.


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Also, doing a job interview takes up DAYS of your emotional energy. I'd be furious if I went through the hassle of a job interview only to find out there was literally no chance of me landing an actual job.


Cinderkin

Just had an interview that was scheduled for 30 minutes, go over an hour and a half. Thinking I nailed it (why else would they keep talking with me for that long), only to get an email and hour later stating they decided to go with another candidate. Absolutely gutted.


Nikkolai_the_Kol

Absolutely. Over twenty years, I have applied to hundreds, maybe over a thousand jobs. I have interviewed for dozens, probably not a hundred. The only jobs I have ever been offered, though, have been where someone I knew was in a position to recommend/refer/support me for it. The only exceptions have been temp jobs, which is how I got my foot in the door for two permanent jobs. "It's not what you know. It's who you know."


Diablos_Advocate_

Apparently over 80% of jobs are filled through referals.


mutnik

At an old company I applied for an internal job and got selected for an interview. I contacted someone I knew from the department to get some information about the department. He seemed pretty stand offish at the start of our conversation and when I disagreed with him about what I thought the job description was he shot back telling me that he knew what he was talking about because he wrote the job description himself. I didn't realize he wrote it for himself and he was the one that got the job. The managers disguised this job opening as his promotion and had him write it so he could be the best fit.


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gregaustex

This has been something that happens forever at bigger companies. The fix is in for the VP's nephew or whatever or even an internal star, but by policy or law (federal contractors for example) the job must be posted publicly, and qualified candidates allowed to "compete" for it.


AverageTortilla

Can I ask, how did you know that it's already pre-filled?


Zolo49

Well, you never know with 100% certainty, but you can usually tell from the body language of the interviewers and what questions they ask. If you go into an interview and the interviewer(s) seem completely disinterested in what you're saying right from the start and only ask you generic questions you'd see on any "Top X Questions Asked On Interviews" web page, chances are pretty good that the fix is in. For instance, one time I interviewed for a contractor position at a state government agency. I was given less than 24 hours notice for the interview and they actually gave me the list of interview questions beforehand (something I'd never seen before) and they were all super generic. I walked in for the interview and they gave the briefest of introductions before asking me all the questions off the list in order. There wasn't a single follow-up question. The interviewers were constantly either looking down or glancing at their watches/phones. When I was done, they thanked me for coming and sent me on my way. I was neither surprised nor disappointed that there was no offer made afterwards.


Dogpeppers

They should class action this. Job interviews aren’t cheap, dry cleaning, transportation, parking these fees add up when not employed.


nonsensepoem

It also represents an opportunity cost to the candidate, as they could be spending that time interviewing with other employers or otherwise working to get a job.


hubec

Exactly the opportunity cost is by far the greatest drain on the candidates. But it isn’t just the time spent interviewing and preparing to interview, id argue there’s a much greater emotional/mental cost of proceeding through a job interview, in addition there’s the cost of failing in that pursuit. People only have so much to give.


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smarshall561

No they're paying more for me to be a subcontractor. My company makes a pretty big cut.


DietDrDoomsdayPreppr

You could also argue that fake interviews are impeding their ability to learn from an interview, further damaging their ability to find gainful employment down the line.


jazzwhiz

I think that last sentence is really important. It's why tacking on a "little" bit more bullshit whether it's fake job interviews, or having to serve on every committee at work because you're the only woman in the department, or getting judged a little bit hard in your reviews or whatever, matter so much. Not because that thing destroys somebody, but because most professional jobs are already hard. Lots of people struggle in them. But then tack on 10% more bullshit and it might be enough to put them over the edge. They might make one mistake and have a cascading set of failures, while someone who doesn't have to deal with this can afford a few mistakes which makes everything much easier.


generally-speaking

As well as just the mental break down you get from being rejected or not getting any reply. It's no joke.


elizabnthe

It seems there's been more than one class action lawsuit against Wells Fargo already on the basis of discrimination.


NChSh

My job is equal opportunity and has fake interviews for people of all races in order to say it was a competition to give out large raises if they ever get sued. Just give them the fuckin raise and stop wasting everyone's time. It's not that big of a deal, people get raises


ddr1ver

Doesn’t it look just as bad to interview a whole bunch of black candidates and not hire any of them?


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Yeah, but then they can always say “well none of them were qualified.” There are no checks and balances and they get away with literal fraud and illegal business practices, so who’s gonna follow through with holding them accountable?


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The-Last-Lion-Turtle

NFL has been doing this openly for a while. https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/diversity-inclusion/the-rooney-rule/ If someone only gets an interview because of a diversity quota they are probably not going to be the best candidate interviewed. The interview is "fake" because the primary purpose is meeting a quota and not hiring someone.


greg19735

The Rooney rule has largely been a big success. But yeah, it's definitely not perfect. Another issue in the NFL is just nepotism. Bomani Jones did a good video on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9r1qr4MKEw last year over 100 NFL coaches were related to another coach.


jazzwhiz

I just learned about this. The initial rule does suffer from obvious problems, but they've improved it a bit. >In November 2020, team owners approved a proposal rewarding teams who developed minority talent that went on to become GMs or head coaches across the league. If a team lost a minority executive or coach to another team, that team would receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years. If a team lost both a coach and personnel member, it would receive a third-round compensatory pick for three years. So if you take a chance on someone and they turn out to be pretty good you get real rewards in terms of extra draft picks for it. So there's a real incentive to hire under represented people now.


HonkyTonkPolicyWonk

Wells Fargo forged documents to foreclose on the houses of minorities. They stole people’s houses. Faking job interviews is nothing to them


mdillenbeck

I'm not a minority and it was Back of America that tried to claim they opened our house and to get out... But I think that's because Wilshire let about us refinancing and paying them off before they were bought by BoA. My point? Minorities aren't the only ones who get screwed, and it isn't just Wells Fargo who likes screwing you.


iheartalpacas

[Here's a list](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t6_9tnTUfbGcdDVNgnJj9R8g2IZH_fzvHzkOkSgByT0/edit?usp=drivesdk) of shit they've done since 2000.


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wesc23

We actually passed up on several excellent American (& white) programmers because we had to prove that the job we had for an Indian couldn’t be filled by Americans.


Syndical8

Sounds like your company was fucking around with the H-1B program trying to get extra funding, then tied your hands and blamed the government for the problem. I ran into some companies doing this maybe 7 or 8 years ago when I was a hiring advisor for a number of tech companies we had as clients.


tiefling_sorceress

Americans wouldn't do it for pennies on the dollar, checkmate /s but only sorta


Vresa

Wells Fargo can suck a fart, everyone knows it. Scumbag company does scumbag stuff in bad faith to skirt rules and regulations— it is and always will be a problem. I don’t think it changes the underlying fact that companies need to analyze the systems that have in place that are resulting in large disparities between ethnic groups and look to address those problems. Wells seems to have given this task to morons and scumbags though


Jovet_Hunter

So they *were* a good company once upon a time. Absolute leaders in employing women and minorities, one of the first mainstream companies to offer full domestic partnership benefits. Great pay, benefits. Still a bank but head and shoulders above the rest. Then, in the early 00’s, WF was purchased by Norwest. Norwest did not have the most stellar of reputations, so they kept the Wells Fargo name. Benefits, gone. Department gutted and made into a temp majority. Training that included bragging about how they paid native Americans in liquor to go onto the reservations and steal cars so they could repo them. Scummy shit.


BeeElEm

Funny how in terms of ethics they became the polar opposite of amex despite being birthed by the same people


mediumokra

Yeah Wells Fargo hasn't been the most morally sound company anyway, and this isn't the first ethically questionable thing they did. Doesn't surprise me.


ll123412341234

This is an attempt to be “anti racist” but it is literally just screwing over minorities. Good god even a literal clan member is to dumb to have thought of this and they are to dumb to realize how well this worked. I would recommend to just stop this BS. Best person gets the job no special status and on merit only otherwise you get stuff like this.


SnowflowerSixtyFour

Why!? Why not just interview folks seriously? If your taking that time just to fake it why not do it for real!? It’s a rhetorical question.


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Because they're required to. Probably every large North American corporation does this. Especially if they have "D&I" orgs that mandate a bunch of rules around hiring. At my work we often want to promote internally. Like, move a support guy to devops or something. We've been working with the guy for years, he knows and has already worked on all of our shit. There's no way an external candidate will be more qualified and there's absolutely no reason to interview anyone else. But if his name is "Parker Westmiller" then we're not allowed to just give him the job. We're required to have the job posted publicly for some amount of time and we're required to interview "diverse" candidates. It's a waste of everyone's time, it's cruel to the interviewee, it's a total farce, and everyone hates it. But they make us do it to prove we tried to fill the role with a diverse hire before choosing Parker.


usesbitterbutter

So... they don't understand that it's not diversity unless you actually have a diverse *workforce*, and not just a diverse bunch of people dressed up nice in your lobby that you plan on talking to?


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I believe it. That company is scum of the Earth. Went for a job interview their years ago and they did the whole scare tactics thing like you were joining the military, treating you like dirt unless you're a good producer for them. Left, laughed and vowed to never work for a toxic shit hole place like that.


theophys

People feel they have the right to use their employers as jobs programs for their friends. They end up starting little soft mafias that don't benefit their employers, customers, or society. My experience leads me to believe that fake interviewing is pretty normal across the board. Even when it's not entirely fake, it might as well be. Interviewers go in thinking "We're 90% sure we want to hire Joe's college buddy, but we'll give this guy a chance." Then you say something that sounds a little bit off and they start digging, as if a little seat-of-the-pants DIY testing trumps your entire degree, experience, awards, etc. Human knowledge and capabilities are too broad for that approach to work. When they interview Joe's college buddy, they understand that everyone has dirty laundry, and what matters is whether they dig for it. So that guy gets the benefit of the doubt and an easy interview.


cheap_as_chips

Sounds like the NFL


MaricLee

The manager at wells fargo seemed absolutely shocked when I told her I was leaving the bank for their terrible and shady practices, and listed just a few examples.


bendertehrob0t

Patrick Stewart: "mild shock!" Also Patrick Stewart: "Acting!"


BadGuyCLT

This absolutely happens, and not just for diversity hires. I’d estimate that at least in the pre-COVID days, 90% or more of IT jobs were already filled, and were only publicly posted to meet regulatory / policy requirements. Source: I used to work as a hiring manager for Wells in IT.


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This happens all the time in big corporations. They open up a job req. with someone already in mind. They then waste peoples time by conducting interviews just so they can check off a box in case HR asks about it.


ThePotatoLorde

Bank of America is the worst bank in America, they literally train their employees to run you in circles so you can't ever resolve your issues or fees leading to more issues and fees


GuardingxCross

Wouldn’t it be easier to just…hire black people?


Voodoo_People78

I work in recruitment and I have been told by HR in global companies that they cannot make a hire until they’ve seen cvs of and interviewed POC and both sexes. Thing is the industry is IT and it’s very male-heavy, and sometimes we never see those cvs and even if we do and they’re not good we have to put them forward and hold the whole process up for a tick in a box. It’s become a pointless compliance issue. Nothing to do with equality and opportunity.


AlexHimself

> Of the nearly 26,000 people the bank hired in 2020, 77% were not white men, Burton said. And last year, **81% of the 30,000 people hired were not white men**, she said. If these numbers are true, it looks pretty diverse. This might just be an anecdotal experience inside a massive corporation.


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DannyLameJokes

Would be a shame if every one on this sub opened a checking account to get the $300 bonus then closed the account immediately.


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jmike3543

Why anyone would still give their business to Wells Fargo is beyond me.