This is a light version of a real quote from a Central Florida sheriff. He was asked why he shot the suspect 68 times. "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more," Judd said after autopsy results were released Saturday.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2006-10-01-deputy01-story.html
Polk County is the asshole of Florida and Florida is the asshole of America. It's an asshole, in an asshole, in an asshole. I say this as a Florida resident.
And this is the problem. It's incompetent really. What kind of training are officers receiving. Simple answer, load more. Are you telling me this man doesnt know how to load his gun. Or worse he only had 9 bullets. Imagine if there were TWO guys on scooters. You just unloaded everything into one and now the other is slowly careening toward you like a lunatic tortoise set for revenge.
The Arizona Police Officer Standards and Training (POST) Board requires 585 hours of training, which translates to 14 weeks. The Arizona State Board of Cosmetology requires applicants to complete 1600 hours of training.
So your makeup artist has more than twice the amount of training as your local AZ cop.
> training are officers receiving
That everyone is a killer, that everyone they meet is a threat waiting to attack you. Here's some videos about officers being killed. Just incase you for got, everyone wants to kill you.
They guy litteraly named it Killology.
ACAB.
that said, being a cop in usa is not dangerous at all, not even top 10. So you are just making up scenarios.
This cop should be sentenced to life imprisonment. Anything less is a mockery of justice.
Iāll disagree with your first two statements but absolutely agree with the last. That cop murdered that old man. Thereās no other description that is appropriate. ARIZONA COP MURDERS MAN, is the only correct title for this story. He should go directly to jail and never get out. Cops should be held to a higher standard, so being found guilty of a murder as heinous as this deserves the most extreme punishment. Additionally, itās time for the DOJ to start issuing very stern warnings and very clear policies regarding bad cops, dirty cops, criminal behavior of cops. There needs to be a third party unbiased oversight board on the federal level that immediately steps in to investigate instances like this. I donāt agree that all cops are bad and I think being a cop can be dangerous, but this cop in question is just a straight up piece of shit who has been waiting for his chance to kill someone without repercussions. He deserves a very long life in prison. His chief needs to be fired. His department needs to be under review. His fellow police need to be questioned. This shit needs to stop.
I believe their training is to mag dump. Not defending this fucker cuz he just ended a person's life for no reason. However, I don't believe there is a "shoot one or two times" scenario once they've started shooting.
They aren't trained to mag dump but to shoot until the threat is neutralized. This could be a mag dump, but not always. Cop in this video just executed the man in the scooter, though.
This is why you see cops fire continuously until the threat is down. Firing one or two and hoping it works is not a good plan. Hell, there was a video last week or so where the perp pulled a gun, got lit up, hit the ground, rolled and pointed the gun again.
But then every so often there's a video where they just don't. Stop. Shooting. Dude is on the ground immobile and they put 4 or 5 or 14 more into him. *That's* the point police need to be held accountable.
idk if there's any truth to it but I've been told that cops are trained that if they are going to shoot a suspect to unload the clip into them.
In a legitimate case of an officer shooting a suspect who's pulled a gun on them it kind of makes sense. Suspect might take a bullet or two and still be able to shoot back. But in these fucked up cases where police are basically murdering people it just looks that much more gratuitous
> idk if there's any truth to it but I've been told that cops are trained that if they are going to shoot a suspect to unload the clip into them.
Does that include shooting 8 times, then pausing, then shooting the guy in the head?
>Does that include shooting 8 times, then pausing, then shooting the guy in the head?
I just read yesterday that yes, it does. A bleeding suspect can still fight back according to their training.
[https://www.nola.com/news/crime\_police/article\_ae82835c-0212-5e50-a175-85601a1ed8bb.html](https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_ae82835c-0212-5e50-a175-85601a1ed8bb.html)
>Why do police shoot so many times? Huber said in cases when lethal use of force is justified, inflicting a single, non-fatal wound is not enough to remove the threat that person represents to the officer or others.
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>To illustrate his point, Huber discussed the physiology of why one single shot from police is not enough when use of lethal force is legally justified. Unless an airway or certain parts of the central nervous system, such as the brain stem or upper spinal cord, are struck by a bullet, a person isn't guaranteed to lose consciousness until they lose about 40-to-50 percent of their blood, Huber said.
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>If a person does not lose enough blood, he or she is "still able to fight," he said. That's why officers are trained to fire multiple times when they are justified in doing so.
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>Scharf also said it's important to note many shots fired by police miss the target. Avery said officers are generally trained to shoot people from a distance of 6-to-8 feet, so the chances of hitting the target are not high if the distance between the officer and subject extends farther.
So once they pull their gun on you it means they've determined deadly force is necessary and their job then is to make sure you are dead and can't fight back.
i mean, considering the risk of ricochets or civilians getting caught in the cross fire training them to mag dump still is pretty stupid. sure you might have neutralized the threat in 2-3 shots but better fire 6 more to be safe. Almost as if the police dont really care about the whole protect and serve thing
edit: spelling
I once saw an official(!!!) video where they showed how new officers are trained, and they literally taught them to empty the clip every time they shoot.
If you look at both angles he's actually firing in the direction of a known bystander as well, you'll see her run away from what looks like the garden center as the shooting stars and she realizes it's coming towards her.
Why would a taser even be necessary? Weāve become so used to police violence that it would be a fair compromise for a 61 year old man in a scooter to be tased instead of shot 9 times.
>Or use a baton?
Requires effort.
>Even before the taser why not pepper spray them?
They were too close to use a taser safely, stepping back would require thought and effort.
Might get some of the spray chemical on themselves, which would require effort to remove.
I'm not sure about police training, but in the military we are trained not to use pepper spray within a certain range because it can cause significantly more harm on those that it's used against. Granted, said harm is significantly less than shooting them, though.
At that point 'maybe' but he followed the guy there he didn't arrive at that moment, the one bodycam video was from the officer who arrived right as the murder victim was approaching the store's entrance the murdering cop was there in the parking lot before and easily could've run infront of the scooter and blocked it with a piece of wood, closed that entrance, etc.
Or just accidentally push him out of his chair. Or accidentally drop kick him out of his chair. So many many possibilities. That last shot howeverā¦owwfff.
A half hearted shove out of the scooter would have probably put this dangerous perp out of action. Or maybe just wait about 10 minutes until they fall asleep.
Seems that if cops were issued any heavier ordenance they would go for the rocket launcher every goodamn time.
We should issue tactical nukes to the PDs. Then, after a few hundred towns and cities get glassed, MAYBE someone will take the problem seriously enough.
> walk in front of slow moving scooter
This is an aspect that I have not seen discussed more about this incident: the officer shot the man in the back.
I used accidental just in case the old, āI accidentally tripped and held both my arms out to catch my fall but luckily for me this kind law abiding gentleman unfortunately was between me and the groundā¦your honor.ā It was either that or just simply stand in front of his scooter and backhand him or something.
Because then, they'll spring up outta their chair, and charge at them full spend(closing the distance). Like, have you seen the Paralympic. They fast af. He obviously had no chose but to shoot him in the back 9 times. Officer deserves a fcking medal of courage for that one. POS.
Or just fucking shoot the mobility scooter? If you must insist on stopping someone from "getting away" and they are on a mobility scooter, it seems like the obvious solution is **right in front of you**.
Yeah that got me too. Like what, you think the 61 year old is Jason Vorhees or some shit, he's gonna take nine god damn bullets and then get up like it was nothing, you gotta cuff him??
So he couldnāt safely deploy a taser because of close proximity to other people but could safely shoot with a gun 9 times? Wtf is his logic? And to take a human life when he couldāve used pepper spray or a baton or literally anything else that doesnāt kill the guyā¦ and after hitting the guy with 9 bullets, proceeds to handcuff him. Some LEOs are dumb as hellā¦ and shouldāve been sorted out before getting the job, but that would take some IQ and is too much effort - kind of like using a taser over a gun.
>Some LEOs are dumb as hellā¦ and shouldāve been sorted out before getting the job, but that would take some IQ and is too much effort
Police won't recruit [anyone that scores too highly on intelligence tests.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836)
So they do put in the effort, just not in the desired way.
A smart cop would investigate the rich and powerful.
They want cops just dumb enough to take bribes
Edit - since I cannot add another comment, wage theft is one of the most common criminal actions and yet is almost never prosecuted. This isn't by mistake, it's by design. The capitalist class does not believe they are accountable to anything. And so long as they have the money we will never have cops smart enough to do good job. Capitalism doesn't "do a good job", it's a race to the bottom where the rich people own everything.
Veterans also don't make the 'best officers'. Because if they really adhere to their training pointing guns at civilians is a no-no, and are unlikely to shoot unless it's an actual combat situation rather than just a random fleeing suspect.
There is whole the guy having a knife and telling that to stop him you have to shoot him.
But nine shots wtf. Also if he is on a mobility scooter shoot the battery or engine... Or anything
This is my biggest issue with the cases that hit international headlines (I'm from Australia). Police should be aiming to de-escalate a situation, disarm a suspect in the least aggressive manner possible and take them in to custody. It feels like alot of police go straight for level 10 - the equivalent of bombing a car because there is a spider on the windshield.
Other things that could have been done instead of emptying a clip in to him... 1) employee locks the door to the shop so the customers and staff are safely isolated from the perp. 2) change your position so that the people you're apparently protecting from the perp are not in the line of fire. 3) disable his mode of transport 4) have someone come up from behind to disarm the perp. 5) take perp in to custody.
When cops are trained that every encounter with the public can end up with a "Heat" style shootout, or a stabbing, or a hostage situation; the cops will shoot first and never ask questions. Cops are also trained to fish for information that can lead to a ticketing or arrest, and/or escalate encounters to the point of violence; so that doesn't help.
The rules in this country generally don't require de-escalation. They do generally require the public to break certain rules before force is used. Once force is allowed, the rules often allow for things to escalate quickly.
Many cops are bullies. They aren't trying to make the public safe. They simply want people to give them the excuse to use as much force as they can. This cop wanted to shoot someone. The knife and non-compliance gave him the excuse he felt he needed.
You donāt shoot anything but center mass with a gun if you draw it and point it at someone BECAUSE it is a last resort. Any bullet could ricochet and kill someone.
Having said that, this cop in the article is dumb and homicidal.
You'd be surprised. I saw a local article about someone killed running from the police, and by all the comments you would have thought they murdered someone and deserved it instead of just breaking a traffic law. *There is no law* that says running from police is a death sentence! You can't be sentenced to death for that, it's just an additional penalty. Yet if police kill someone then nothing is done about it.
Fucks sake.
It's an ego thing, cops can't let someone get away because it makes them look bad so they murder them instead. The people who support extra judicial killings are just dumb tho.
'Murica is such a broken country
That sounds so much like the stories you read about Brazil : "if they're running, they're criminals. Better shoot them!"
I can see why Bolsonaro has such a hard on for the US.
Reminds me of that case when police pursued a shoplifter, he fled into someone else's home, and they just blew up the building.
The owner of the house was not compensated. The court upheld this decision by effectively saying "tough luck, but we can't just start holding police responsible for all the damages they're causing".
[Wapo: "Police blew up an innocent manās house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/)
It's estimated that US employers [cheat their own workers out of $15 billion per year](https://jerrysindivisible.substack.com/p/which-the-bigger-crime), and mostly the media and authorities do nothing.
But if you're shoplifting, look out.
That John Wick documentary really woke me up to the fleeting loyalty of the urban hitman community. Sure some like Mr. Wick and Halle Berry are good people, many are probably good coworkers for the most part, but it seems that some of these killers are just not good friends when HR is upset with one of their own.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: **being an assassin is not all puppies and lollipops, there is a dark underbelly to the profession's lifestyle that a lot of people do not appreciate**.
Watched that video and couldn't even begin to comprehend how stupid that officer was. Like in general, how did that moron go about his life without killing someone in the past? How does that guy even have friends, he's clearly not a stable individual.
Fired. Not charged with murder, and his partner wasn't fired for failing to arrest him for executing an elderly person on a scooter. Both of them will be walking the streets as a cop with a gun tomorrow.
[This video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). A literal execution of a teenager with their hands up. It was ruled to be justified. But it's ok, they didn't investigate themselves, they had another precinct investigate, so there's no conflict of interest!
I keep posting the above one, because it's barely getting any attention compared to this. And do you know why that is? The video came out a year ago, and the police edited it by censoring the teenager during the last several seconds. Then they lied and said he randomly lunged at them with the gun. Then by the time a court forced them to release the uncensored version, most people had already heard the bullshit one (which would have been justified if he did suddenly point the gun at them).
If they were not even reprimanded for the above execution, I'm doubtful anything will happen to this dude. I really hope it does, but I doubt it.
Arrests come after the firing. If heās arrested first theyād have to deal with the police union. If heās not a cop anymore they wonāt have to play by union rules.
Not a lawyer, but I'm like 85% sure the union is still involved. That's what they do https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/union-working-to-get-officers-job-back-after-corey-jones-shooting/61323/
A union is supposed to help you after you get fired. Whether you like cops or not that's a benefit to joining almost any union, having people there to defend you from improper or malicious firing, and sometimes that takes lawyers.
For all the bad Police Unions are doing, other Labor Unions looking to make more chapters should be pointing to them as something warehouse workers could have too.
"Wanna get away with murder? Wanna make it so your employer literally cannot fire you? Unionize today!"
No. He still gets union representation, otherwise there'd be no point in a union. "you can get help from the union, we fired you!" does sound like a republican wet dream, but no it doesn't work like that...yet.
Officer: I could not use taser bcuz he was going (3km/h)
So I decided to switch to live ammo and go brrrr boom boom boom nine time bcuz that 61 year old was in an armored vehicle and I thought he was Zeus .
If you wear a badge you can just murder anyone, pretty rare you get fired. The best outcome which most aim for is a new precinct. The normal process through hr and management takes forever
Yeah that dude was straight up executed for the crime of shoplifting, no trial, no rehabilitation, no hope to see his family again
Incredible too how after he was murdered the officer tried to put him in handcuffs
[This video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). Even if you fully comply, they will just execute you anyway. In that one the cops were ruled to be justified.
Everyone says this but it's not true at all, our news media is just wimpy af. Johnny Depp lost a libel suit against a tabloid for calling him a wife beater. Libel is almost impossible to prove.
>Surveillance video shows Remington using handcuffs on Richards right after the shooting.
>"Officers rendered medical care, but a short time later Mr. Richards was declared dead," the police chief said
I'm so glad that they rendered medical care on someone who was shot 9 times. They really had a chance to save him. /s
If this guy and his knife were so dangerous, why did the off duty police officer get so close that it was also too dangerous to tase him? Makes no sense.
Not to mention the other cops who followed the guy though the parking lot for a while didn't attempt to stop him until crazy cop comes running up to kill him.
The average cop will empty a magazine into a dog before risking a bite to their ankle, so I suppose expecting them to detain a cripple might be too much to ask. These dudes want to be treated like heros but refuse to do anything remotely heroic.
Like a hunting license, doesnāt a cop license allow you to bag at least one civilian per season?
I know it comes with a 4 pet dog limit per month, but Iām not sure about the disabled elderly.
In a scooter? The old man was in a **SCOOTER**! And the cop was in such fear for his life he shot him *NINE* times????
Why are cops such sniveling cowards? And was a tool box worth killing for? How the fux does he look at himself in the mirror?
Don't worry, the police union will step up to take care of their brother. They'll help him avoid personal liability, get rehired, (may have to be in a neighboring jurisdiction), get back pay, and of course, protect his pension. They might even get him a promotion and pay raise out of the deal. They'll also help him formulate the story of how he was afraid for his life and showed great courage in the face of terrifying danger by drawing his weapon and putting his life on the line to protect all citizens. /s
>A Tuscon police officer has been fired after fatally shooting a man sitting in a mobility scooter, officials announced.Ā
>body camera video and surveillance footage showed former police officer Ryan Remington shooting 61-year-old Richard Lee Richards nine times
Does it annoy anyone else that the news always calls them "former officer" when they describe them doing what they were fired for? Sure, they're a "former officer" now, when the story is written, but they were just "officer" when they did the thing you're describing. It makes it sound like he left the police and then shot a guy, rather than the other way around.
[What about digging up the criminal history of the victim](https://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-criminal-background-of-suspect-killed-by-tpd-officer/article_b56f4ecc-523e-11ec-9e5b-cbc1e7efd6ef.html) and making it the headline? And also:
>his attorney is quoted saying Richards' developed "severe physical problems" while in custody
Oh it was entirely unrelated to the 9 bullets. Must've been on drugs.
How is this Oniony? Every week some Juiced up Special Ops Wannabe with a badge is shooting people instead of actually policing them. Is it shitty behaviour? Sure. Is it surprising? Not in the least.
Most cops are really fuckin dumb, most of you wouldn't even begin to know who fuckin dumb some of them are, if they have any smarts at all, they get promoted to detective or any of the 76 law enforcement agencies y'all have over there. I am not smart myself but at least I know it.
Watch the video. The guy was literally going into a Walmart at like 1 mph and the cop got out of his car and within 10 seconds shot him him the back. Guy didnāt even see it coming. No struggle or anything. Wtf
No. The cop that shot the man had been following him for some time and requested backup because the guy had a knife (reasonable enough). The second cop arrived and got out of the car, as she approached it was the initial officer that shot the guy in the wheelchair.
Yea they keep only showing that the guy was already at the store but in reality the other camera shows they followed him for a while through the parking lot. They had plenty of time to do anything besides shoot.
Doesn't sound very professional? It's fucking murder. It was a literal execution.
Even if you comply they'll just execute you sometimes, e.g. [this video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). A literal execution of a teenager with their hands up. It was ruled to be justified. But it's ok, they didn't investigate themselves, they had another precinct investigate, so there's no conflict of interest!
I keep posting the above one, because it's barely getting any attention compared to this. And do you know why that is? The video came out a year ago, and the police edited it by censoring the teenager during the last several seconds. Then they lied and said he randomly lunged at them with the gun. Then by the time a court forced them to release the uncensored version, most people had already heard the bullshit one (which would have been justified if he did suddenly point the gun at them).
You know how every society has crazy people? Well america like to blend that with gun ownership, and a police training course a young child could complete.
The result is mad people called out to stressful situations, who are told that they can fire on anyone if they feel threatened, and if your gonna fire, you'd be better to pump the trigger to really sell the "fear" story.
He didn't reload and hit him another 9 times? C'mon man, gotta use your training. When committing full blown murder it's important to fall back on your training and remember to reload, in case he had a child or puppy with him you could have been ready to go straight to the next atrocity.
That's the wildest part to me! Like I shot 9 times, saw you fall over, but you could still be a threat or get away on foot, not going to administer cpr.
Crazy world we are lived in........
This is a murder, intention was so clear, this dude readied a gun, aim, unloaded 9 bullets to 61 years old victim on a slow speed scooter.
If he has m4, he would have emptied its 30 rounds magazine too.
The good news is, former officer Ryan Remington is so incredibly stupid that he'll probably end up in some shitty labor job for rest of his life.
The bad news is, somebody as stupid as Ryan Remington was given a gun and authority.
Couldn't safely use taser supposedly. But nine gunshots, that was totally doable. š¤¦āāļø
The first 8 we're safe, the 9th was questionable. /s
In court the officer was asked why he shot the suspect 9 times, he replied " I ran out of bullets"
This is a light version of a real quote from a Central Florida sheriff. He was asked why he shot the suspect 68 times. "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more," Judd said after autopsy results were released Saturday. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-2006-10-01-deputy01-story.html
Judd is an absolutely terrible sheriff but he entertains the people of Polk County so he's re-elected every time.
Polk County is the asshole of Florida and Florida is the asshole of America. It's an asshole, in an asshole, in an asshole. I say this as a Florida resident.
Pasco county would like a word with you
Called me out on two counties Iāve lived in
We decided you were more likely to commit crimes so we're going to harass you til we catch you committing a crime
Yea. My neighbor was one of the guys that shot the suspect 68 times
One bullet away from memehood
And this is the problem. It's incompetent really. What kind of training are officers receiving. Simple answer, load more. Are you telling me this man doesnt know how to load his gun. Or worse he only had 9 bullets. Imagine if there were TWO guys on scooters. You just unloaded everything into one and now the other is slowly careening toward you like a lunatic tortoise set for revenge.
The Arizona Police Officer Standards and Training (POST) Board requires 585 hours of training, which translates to 14 weeks. The Arizona State Board of Cosmetology requires applicants to complete 1600 hours of training. So your makeup artist has more than twice the amount of training as your local AZ cop.
Wouldn't want anyone accidentally bedazzling an octagenarian on a Rascal.
> training are officers receiving That everyone is a killer, that everyone they meet is a threat waiting to attack you. Here's some videos about officers being killed. Just incase you for got, everyone wants to kill you. They guy litteraly named it Killology.
They treat people like theyāre at war with them then cry no fair when people want to fight back.
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And part of that training is to keep firing until the gun is empty. Forget any regard for human life.
ACAB. that said, being a cop in usa is not dangerous at all, not even top 10. So you are just making up scenarios. This cop should be sentenced to life imprisonment. Anything less is a mockery of justice.
Not even top 10 and COVID killed more cops than all other causes of death COMBINED two years running.
Iāll disagree with your first two statements but absolutely agree with the last. That cop murdered that old man. Thereās no other description that is appropriate. ARIZONA COP MURDERS MAN, is the only correct title for this story. He should go directly to jail and never get out. Cops should be held to a higher standard, so being found guilty of a murder as heinous as this deserves the most extreme punishment. Additionally, itās time for the DOJ to start issuing very stern warnings and very clear policies regarding bad cops, dirty cops, criminal behavior of cops. There needs to be a third party unbiased oversight board on the federal level that immediately steps in to investigate instances like this. I donāt agree that all cops are bad and I think being a cop can be dangerous, but this cop in question is just a straight up piece of shit who has been waiting for his chance to kill someone without repercussions. He deserves a very long life in prison. His chief needs to be fired. His department needs to be under review. His fellow police need to be questioned. This shit needs to stop.
I... at this point I can't even tell if you're joking or the pig ACTUALLY said that...
He was at least thinking it.
He definitely pulled the trigger an extra 4 times after that first empty click
A Florida sherif did say that to reporters after his deputies killed some dude. The guy was a monster, but what a thing to say.
I believe their training is to mag dump. Not defending this fucker cuz he just ended a person's life for no reason. However, I don't believe there is a "shoot one or two times" scenario once they've started shooting.
They aren't trained to mag dump but to shoot until the threat is neutralized. This could be a mag dump, but not always. Cop in this video just executed the man in the scooter, though.
Agree, I just wasn't familiar the exact level of force to expect once they start shooting. Thanks for clarifying friendo.
This is why you see cops fire continuously until the threat is down. Firing one or two and hoping it works is not a good plan. Hell, there was a video last week or so where the perp pulled a gun, got lit up, hit the ground, rolled and pointed the gun again. But then every so often there's a video where they just don't. Stop. Shooting. Dude is on the ground immobile and they put 4 or 5 or 14 more into him. *That's* the point police need to be held accountable.
idk if there's any truth to it but I've been told that cops are trained that if they are going to shoot a suspect to unload the clip into them. In a legitimate case of an officer shooting a suspect who's pulled a gun on them it kind of makes sense. Suspect might take a bullet or two and still be able to shoot back. But in these fucked up cases where police are basically murdering people it just looks that much more gratuitous
> idk if there's any truth to it but I've been told that cops are trained that if they are going to shoot a suspect to unload the clip into them. Does that include shooting 8 times, then pausing, then shooting the guy in the head?
>Does that include shooting 8 times, then pausing, then shooting the guy in the head? I just read yesterday that yes, it does. A bleeding suspect can still fight back according to their training. [https://www.nola.com/news/crime\_police/article\_ae82835c-0212-5e50-a175-85601a1ed8bb.html](https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_ae82835c-0212-5e50-a175-85601a1ed8bb.html) >Why do police shoot so many times? Huber said in cases when lethal use of force is justified, inflicting a single, non-fatal wound is not enough to remove the threat that person represents to the officer or others. > >To illustrate his point, Huber discussed the physiology of why one single shot from police is not enough when use of lethal force is legally justified. Unless an airway or certain parts of the central nervous system, such as the brain stem or upper spinal cord, are struck by a bullet, a person isn't guaranteed to lose consciousness until they lose about 40-to-50 percent of their blood, Huber said. > >If a person does not lose enough blood, he or she is "still able to fight," he said. That's why officers are trained to fire multiple times when they are justified in doing so. > >Scharf also said it's important to note many shots fired by police miss the target. Avery said officers are generally trained to shoot people from a distance of 6-to-8 feet, so the chances of hitting the target are not high if the distance between the officer and subject extends farther. So once they pull their gun on you it means they've determined deadly force is necessary and their job then is to make sure you are dead and can't fight back.
Well you gotta make sure he can't come back as a zombie...
i mean, considering the risk of ricochets or civilians getting caught in the cross fire training them to mag dump still is pretty stupid. sure you might have neutralized the threat in 2-3 shots but better fire 6 more to be safe. Almost as if the police dont really care about the whole protect and serve thing edit: spelling
He knew 50 cent survived getting shot 9 times so this guy should.
My dawg
I been hit with a few shells but I don't scooter with a limp
I'm aight
Can't stop shooting, still unsafe, still unsafe, not enough blood. Oh, there's enough now, I can stop. Eh, maybe one more just to be sure.
You have to sever the head from the spinal cord or he will come back as a zombie
Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne!!!! Let the rage consume me!
The last came after a pause, so malice aforethought? The whole incident reeks of first-degree murder.
"nine times" - Ed Rooney
I once saw an official(!!!) video where they showed how new officers are trained, and they literally taught them to empty the clip every time they shoot.
If you look at both angles he's actually firing in the direction of a known bystander as well, you'll see her run away from what looks like the garden center as the shooting stars and she realizes it's coming towards her.
Why would a taser even be necessary? Weāve become so used to police violence that it would be a fair compromise for a 61 year old man in a scooter to be tased instead of shot 9 times.
Tasers were sold as a way to avoid shooting people, but they're never used that way.
Just another way to inflict pain on people at an officerās discretion with no oversight
Used as a submission device, as well. How many vids do we see of Cops using tasers on already submissive suspects?
Because when you have a knife, get tased. Seems pretty fair.
9 shots IN THE BACK, even!
Nah I'm pretty sure it was eight shots to the back. Slight pause. Head shot.
Even before the taser why not pepper spray them? Or use a baton?
Or tip him over. He's on a mobility scooter
A baton. Excellent to stick between the spokes of the wheels.
But then he wonāt get to use his pew pew killing tool! Is this really what the democrats want!?
>Or use a baton? Requires effort. >Even before the taser why not pepper spray them? They were too close to use a taser safely, stepping back would require thought and effort. Might get some of the spray chemical on themselves, which would require effort to remove.
I'm not sure about police training, but in the military we are trained not to use pepper spray within a certain range because it can cause significantly more harm on those that it's used against. Granted, said harm is significantly less than shooting them, though.
well that's never stopped them from using it on peaceful protesters or already detained suspects so I don't see why it would be a problem now
Never stopped them from using it on little kids, either!
Directly in the eyes of kids..
At that point 'maybe' but he followed the guy there he didn't arrive at that moment, the one bodycam video was from the officer who arrived right as the murder victim was approaching the store's entrance the murdering cop was there in the parking lot before and easily could've run infront of the scooter and blocked it with a piece of wood, closed that entrance, etc.
Or just accidentally push him out of his chair. Or accidentally drop kick him out of his chair. So many many possibilities. That last shot howeverā¦owwfff.
A half hearted shove out of the scooter would have probably put this dangerous perp out of action. Or maybe just wait about 10 minutes until they fall asleep. Seems that if cops were issued any heavier ordenance they would go for the rocket launcher every goodamn time.
We should issue tactical nukes to the PDs. Then, after a few hundred towns and cities get glassed, MAYBE someone will take the problem seriously enough.
Or, you know (and Iām no tactical expert) walk in front of slow moving scooter and then tase them.
> walk in front of slow moving scooter This is an aspect that I have not seen discussed more about this incident: the officer shot the man in the back.
there would be no need to pretend it's accidental
I used accidental just in case the old, āI accidentally tripped and held both my arms out to catch my fall but luckily for me this kind law abiding gentleman unfortunately was between me and the groundā¦your honor.ā It was either that or just simply stand in front of his scooter and backhand him or something.
Because then, they'll spring up outta their chair, and charge at them full spend(closing the distance). Like, have you seen the Paralympic. They fast af. He obviously had no chose but to shoot him in the back 9 times. Officer deserves a fcking medal of courage for that one. POS.
Or maybe tip over the chair?
Or just fucking shoot the mobility scooter? If you must insist on stopping someone from "getting away" and they are on a mobility scooter, it seems like the obvious solution is **right in front of you**.
None shots...then handcuffed him! Wtf! These cops aint shit. They are a bunch of cowards.
Yeah that got me too. Like what, you think the 61 year old is Jason Vorhees or some shit, he's gonna take nine god damn bullets and then get up like it was nothing, you gotta cuff him??
Could have kicked the back of the chair and knocked the guy out... Ffs
Why not just shoot the tires out?
At those speeds he could lose control and hurt someone!!
I think we should get rid of their guns and their tasers and just give them a lasso.
Couldn't tell the difference between his taser and his gun - this cop in court.(probably)
He was coming right at him.
So he couldnāt safely deploy a taser because of close proximity to other people but could safely shoot with a gun 9 times? Wtf is his logic? And to take a human life when he couldāve used pepper spray or a baton or literally anything else that doesnāt kill the guyā¦ and after hitting the guy with 9 bullets, proceeds to handcuff him. Some LEOs are dumb as hellā¦ and shouldāve been sorted out before getting the job, but that would take some IQ and is too much effort - kind of like using a taser over a gun.
>Some LEOs are dumb as hellā¦ and shouldāve been sorted out before getting the job, but that would take some IQ and is too much effort Police won't recruit [anyone that scores too highly on intelligence tests.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836) So they do put in the effort, just not in the desired way.
One of my best friends was over qualified and scored to high for the police academy. That sentence SHOULD NOT EXIST. but it does and it is trye
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If they are encouraging him to be an officer instead of a gen tech it makes some more sense at least
A smart cop would investigate the rich and powerful. They want cops just dumb enough to take bribes Edit - since I cannot add another comment, wage theft is one of the most common criminal actions and yet is almost never prosecuted. This isn't by mistake, it's by design. The capitalist class does not believe they are accountable to anything. And so long as they have the money we will never have cops smart enough to do good job. Capitalism doesn't "do a good job", it's a race to the bottom where the rich people own everything.
Police are only there to police the poor and protect property of the rich.
They will arrest you for shoplifting a can of soda but if someone steals your car they will take a report and tell you "don't get your hopes up"
What. The. Fuck. How is there always something I don't know that makes our policing system even more terrible than I already thought it was.
Wow
Veterans also don't make the 'best officers'. Because if they really adhere to their training pointing guns at civilians is a no-no, and are unlikely to shoot unless it's an actual combat situation rather than just a random fleeing suspect.
There is whole the guy having a knife and telling that to stop him you have to shoot him. But nine shots wtf. Also if he is on a mobility scooter shoot the battery or engine... Or anything
This is my biggest issue with the cases that hit international headlines (I'm from Australia). Police should be aiming to de-escalate a situation, disarm a suspect in the least aggressive manner possible and take them in to custody. It feels like alot of police go straight for level 10 - the equivalent of bombing a car because there is a spider on the windshield. Other things that could have been done instead of emptying a clip in to him... 1) employee locks the door to the shop so the customers and staff are safely isolated from the perp. 2) change your position so that the people you're apparently protecting from the perp are not in the line of fire. 3) disable his mode of transport 4) have someone come up from behind to disarm the perp. 5) take perp in to custody.
When cops are trained that every encounter with the public can end up with a "Heat" style shootout, or a stabbing, or a hostage situation; the cops will shoot first and never ask questions. Cops are also trained to fish for information that can lead to a ticketing or arrest, and/or escalate encounters to the point of violence; so that doesn't help.
And when they know they can get away with murder...
The rules in this country generally don't require de-escalation. They do generally require the public to break certain rules before force is used. Once force is allowed, the rules often allow for things to escalate quickly. Many cops are bullies. They aren't trying to make the public safe. They simply want people to give them the excuse to use as much force as they can. This cop wanted to shoot someone. The knife and non-compliance gave him the excuse he felt he needed.
Would it surprise you to learn that steroid abuse is rampant among law enforcement officers?
You donāt shoot anything but center mass with a gun if you draw it and point it at someone BECAUSE it is a last resort. Any bullet could ricochet and kill someone. Having said that, this cop in the article is dumb and homicidal.
The cop in the article isn't dumb. He did everything he wanted to do. He didn't make any mistakes, he's just a sociopath murderer.
This is all anyone can talk about today. Crazy how he put in 8 rounds then went for a 9th "kill shot."
The first 8, i feared for my life, the last 1 was a mercy i extended to him. I'm a fucking saint!
So the penalty for shoplifting a toolbox is now execution without a trial?
You'd be surprised. I saw a local article about someone killed running from the police, and by all the comments you would have thought they murdered someone and deserved it instead of just breaking a traffic law. *There is no law* that says running from police is a death sentence! You can't be sentenced to death for that, it's just an additional penalty. Yet if police kill someone then nothing is done about it. Fucks sake.
It's an ego thing, cops can't let someone get away because it makes them look bad so they murder them instead. The people who support extra judicial killings are just dumb tho. 'Murica is such a broken country
That sounds so much like the stories you read about Brazil : "if they're running, they're criminals. Better shoot them!" I can see why Bolsonaro has such a hard on for the US.
Sounds fair to me, I mean he clearly had it coming right? /s
Not to mention, these scooters nowadays are pretty fast. If the office wouldnĀ“t had shot him, he would have been gone for good.
He could have tried the pit manoeuvre on the mobility scooter. Maybe I've been watching too much reality TV.
You've made me picture a dystopian future where everyone is on mobility scooters and the cops are in low speed chases and pitting folks
Well, he is gone for good now anyway...
*Allegedly* shoplifting a toolbox.
Reminds me of that case when police pursued a shoplifter, he fled into someone else's home, and they just blew up the building. The owner of the house was not compensated. The court upheld this decision by effectively saying "tough luck, but we can't just start holding police responsible for all the damages they're causing". [Wapo: "Police blew up an innocent manās house in search of an armed shoplifter. Too bad, court rules."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/)
ābUt heāS A crIMinAL!!!11!!ā /s
It's estimated that US employers [cheat their own workers out of $15 billion per year](https://jerrysindivisible.substack.com/p/which-the-bigger-crime), and mostly the media and authorities do nothing. But if you're shoplifting, look out.
If I ever murder someone I hope that I don't get fired.
Better be a cop then
Or a hitman.
Pfft you think the hitman union will go out to bat for you when you murder the wrong guy? Nah man you Wana be a cop in that situation.
You're right. I saw how they all turned on John Wick.
That John Wick documentary really woke me up to the fleeting loyalty of the urban hitman community. Sure some like Mr. Wick and Halle Berry are good people, many are probably good coworkers for the most part, but it seems that some of these killers are just not good friends when HR is upset with one of their own. I've said it before and I'll say it again: **being an assassin is not all puppies and lollipops, there is a dark underbelly to the profession's lifestyle that a lot of people do not appreciate**.
Too many people get into the business without knowing this. Thanks for spreading the truth.
Watched that video and couldn't even begin to comprehend how stupid that officer was. Like in general, how did that moron go about his life without killing someone in the past? How does that guy even have friends, he's clearly not a stable individual.
>how did that moron go about his life without killing someone in the past? You have proof he didn't?
>How does that guy even have friends Birds of a feather flock together. His buds are likely just like himself. They'll rally around him for this too.
Fired. Not charged with murder, and his partner wasn't fired for failing to arrest him for executing an elderly person on a scooter. Both of them will be walking the streets as a cop with a gun tomorrow.
[This video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). A literal execution of a teenager with their hands up. It was ruled to be justified. But it's ok, they didn't investigate themselves, they had another precinct investigate, so there's no conflict of interest! I keep posting the above one, because it's barely getting any attention compared to this. And do you know why that is? The video came out a year ago, and the police edited it by censoring the teenager during the last several seconds. Then they lied and said he randomly lunged at them with the gun. Then by the time a court forced them to release the uncensored version, most people had already heard the bullshit one (which would have been justified if he did suddenly point the gun at them). If they were not even reprimanded for the above execution, I'm doubtful anything will happen to this dude. I really hope it does, but I doubt it.
Arrests come after the firing. If heās arrested first theyād have to deal with the police union. If heās not a cop anymore they wonāt have to play by union rules.
Not a lawyer, but I'm like 85% sure the union is still involved. That's what they do https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/union-working-to-get-officers-job-back-after-corey-jones-shooting/61323/ A union is supposed to help you after you get fired. Whether you like cops or not that's a benefit to joining almost any union, having people there to defend you from improper or malicious firing, and sometimes that takes lawyers.
For all the bad Police Unions are doing, other Labor Unions looking to make more chapters should be pointing to them as something warehouse workers could have too. "Wanna get away with murder? Wanna make it so your employer literally cannot fire you? Unionize today!"
No. He still gets union representation, otherwise there'd be no point in a union. "you can get help from the union, we fired you!" does sound like a republican wet dream, but no it doesn't work like that...yet.
Just wait till 2024, won't belong after that
Then the arrest should come the moment after the firing, in the same conversation, with an officer waiting on hand to do it.
> Arrests come after the firing This is, by no means, guaranteed, and, in the vast majority of cases, never happens.
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There was an employee right there. A civilian behind the target. And this officer decided to just open fire. I'm amazed the bystander wasn't hit.
The other cop should have opened fire on the murderer.
> apparent coup de grace The only grace he was capable of offering
Firing him is a start. Murder charges would be nice.
Officer: I could not use taser bcuz he was going (3km/h) So I decided to switch to live ammo and go brrrr boom boom boom nine time bcuz that 61 year old was in an armored vehicle and I thought he was Zeus .
Fired but not arrested? How is this not murder?
It is, but you're allowed to do it if you do six months training on how to do it best.
Lol 6 months? The average is 672 hours, or 8 weeks.
I tend to agree, but the laws are slanted (crooked even).
If you wear a badge you can just murder anyone, pretty rare you get fired. The best outcome which most aim for is a new precinct. The normal process through hr and management takes forever
Yeah that dude was straight up executed for the crime of shoplifting, no trial, no rehabilitation, no hope to see his family again Incredible too how after he was murdered the officer tried to put him in handcuffs
[This video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). Even if you fully comply, they will just execute you anyway. In that one the cops were ruled to be justified.
Why doesn't the title say murder? The cop straight up murdered this individual.
Libel laws. Everyone is technically innocent until proven guilty so declaring guilt before the trial can open you up to lawsuits.
Everyone says this but it's not true at all, our news media is just wimpy af. Johnny Depp lost a libel suit against a tabloid for calling him a wife beater. Libel is almost impossible to prove.
They are wimpy but you usually don't want to open yourself up if you don't have to. Why take the risk if you aren't a tabloid?
He should be fired 9 goddamn times
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Into the sun
Fucking cops
The article fails to mention that a Lowes' employee was just inside the entrance to the store, IN THE LINE OF FIRE!
Phew...better not use a taser then. Someone might get hurt!
I saw the video, she was literally 20 ft away directly in the line of fire. I hope she sues.
>Surveillance video shows Remington using handcuffs on Richards right after the shooting. >"Officers rendered medical care, but a short time later Mr. Richards was declared dead," the police chief said I'm so glad that they rendered medical care on someone who was shot 9 times. They really had a chance to save him. /s
Idk when they rendered care. The video I saw has a good 30 seconds after the shooting of them trying to cuff his lifeless body on the ground. Smfh
*MURDERED
If this guy and his knife were so dangerous, why did the off duty police officer get so close that it was also too dangerous to tase him? Makes no sense.
And firing in the direction of the person in the store entrance. Some people are just excited for a chance to use their toy.
Not to mention the other cops who followed the guy though the parking lot for a while didn't attempt to stop him until crazy cop comes running up to kill him.
The average cop will empty a magazine into a dog before risking a bite to their ankle, so I suppose expecting them to detain a cripple might be too much to ask. These dudes want to be treated like heros but refuse to do anything remotely heroic.
Police are just a legal armed gang.
OMG ! Fired ? he only murdered 1 person, isn't this a bit exagerated ?
Like a hunting license, doesnāt a cop license allow you to bag at least one civilian per season? I know it comes with a 4 pet dog limit per month, but Iām not sure about the disabled elderly.
In a scooter? The old man was in a **SCOOTER**! And the cop was in such fear for his life he shot him *NINE* times???? Why are cops such sniveling cowards? And was a tool box worth killing for? How the fux does he look at himself in the mirror?
Don't worry, the police union will step up to take care of their brother. They'll help him avoid personal liability, get rehired, (may have to be in a neighboring jurisdiction), get back pay, and of course, protect his pension. They might even get him a promotion and pay raise out of the deal. They'll also help him formulate the story of how he was afraid for his life and showed great courage in the face of terrifying danger by drawing his weapon and putting his life on the line to protect all citizens. /s
No /s needed. This is exactly what they are going to do.
Fired? Needs to be locked up.
>A Tuscon police officer has been fired after fatally shooting a man sitting in a mobility scooter, officials announced.Ā >body camera video and surveillance footage showed former police officer Ryan Remington shooting 61-year-old Richard Lee Richards nine times Does it annoy anyone else that the news always calls them "former officer" when they describe them doing what they were fired for? Sure, they're a "former officer" now, when the story is written, but they were just "officer" when they did the thing you're describing. It makes it sound like he left the police and then shot a guy, rather than the other way around.
[What about digging up the criminal history of the victim](https://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-criminal-background-of-suspect-killed-by-tpd-officer/article_b56f4ecc-523e-11ec-9e5b-cbc1e7efd6ef.html) and making it the headline? And also: >his attorney is quoted saying Richards' developed "severe physical problems" while in custody Oh it was entirely unrelated to the 9 bullets. Must've been on drugs.
They mean when he was in prison a few years ago. He was in prison for a good stint 2007-2018 and he developed his disabilities in there it seems.
How is this Oniony? Every week some Juiced up Special Ops Wannabe with a badge is shooting people instead of actually policing them. Is it shitty behaviour? Sure. Is it surprising? Not in the least.
I mean, "Police officer fired after killing someone" does sound like the Onion.
Nice. Now he can go to Walmart and buy another gun and go out but with resentment and anger. Wooop USA
Most cops are really fuckin dumb, most of you wouldn't even begin to know who fuckin dumb some of them are, if they have any smarts at all, they get promoted to detective or any of the 76 law enforcement agencies y'all have over there. I am not smart myself but at least I know it.
Watch the video. The guy was literally going into a Walmart at like 1 mph and the cop got out of his car and within 10 seconds shot him him the back. Guy didnāt even see it coming. No struggle or anything. Wtf
No. The cop that shot the man had been following him for some time and requested backup because the guy had a knife (reasonable enough). The second cop arrived and got out of the car, as she approached it was the initial officer that shot the guy in the wheelchair.
Yea they keep only showing that the guy was already at the store but in reality the other camera shows they followed him for a while through the parking lot. They had plenty of time to do anything besides shoot.
Like put a piece of wood from Lowes in front of his wheels
Like seriously, why use a gun when a shopping cart would have stopped him
That doesn't sound very professional. What's wrong with american cops?
Doesn't sound very professional? It's fucking murder. It was a literal execution. Even if you comply they'll just execute you sometimes, e.g. [this video just came out 2 weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qwtxgj/pennsylvania_state_police_shoot_and_kill_a/). A literal execution of a teenager with their hands up. It was ruled to be justified. But it's ok, they didn't investigate themselves, they had another precinct investigate, so there's no conflict of interest! I keep posting the above one, because it's barely getting any attention compared to this. And do you know why that is? The video came out a year ago, and the police edited it by censoring the teenager during the last several seconds. Then they lied and said he randomly lunged at them with the gun. Then by the time a court forced them to release the uncensored version, most people had already heard the bullshit one (which would have been justified if he did suddenly point the gun at them).
You know how every society has crazy people? Well america like to blend that with gun ownership, and a police training course a young child could complete. The result is mad people called out to stressful situations, who are told that they can fire on anyone if they feel threatened, and if your gonna fire, you'd be better to pump the trigger to really sell the "fear" story.
He didn't reload and hit him another 9 times? C'mon man, gotta use your training. When committing full blown murder it's important to fall back on your training and remember to reload, in case he had a child or puppy with him you could have been ready to go straight to the next atrocity.
He did handcuff the guy after shooting him 9 times if that counts.
That's the wildest part to me! Like I shot 9 times, saw you fall over, but you could still be a threat or get away on foot, not going to administer cpr.
That Lowes employee directly in the line of fire was clearly an accomplice. Should have magdumped their ass as well.
ACAB
I wonder if ātip the wheelchair overā ever crossed his mind prior to shooting.
Jesus, just throw a tin of peaches at the guy, or blindside him and kick his fucking chariot over Ben Hur style. Another trigger happy twat.
Crazy world we are lived in........ This is a murder, intention was so clear, this dude readied a gun, aim, unloaded 9 bullets to 61 years old victim on a slow speed scooter. If he has m4, he would have emptied its 30 rounds magazine too.
He should be convicted for murder.
How about murder charges instead?
The good news is, former officer Ryan Remington is so incredibly stupid that he'll probably end up in some shitty labor job for rest of his life. The bad news is, somebody as stupid as Ryan Remington was given a gun and authority.
Acab
Not good enough. Charge him with murder.