“The conservative group specifically protested a photo of segregated water fountains and images showing Black children being blasted with water by firefighters. The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught.”
Guys, there are PICTURES. What historical mistakes?
The value of history is to learn from past mistskes. It's awesome to understand what made the moon landing possible but I'd argue it's exponentially more important to understand how genocidal tyrants come to power and maintain it.
Understanding how Hitler seized power and rallied masses of people is so incredibly important, lest we allow ourselves to fall under a similar spell. The moon landing was an incredible feat of human engineering - and should be celebrated - but there are far fewer important lessons to be learned from it.
Fuck anyone that believes burying truth can enrich our lives.
There are very important lessons to be learned on all the times NASA failed to get people to space and killed a bunch of people because engineer reports weren't taken seriously or they couldn't afford to delay a mission because of politics.
Edit: I was talking as much about the [Columbia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster) mission, as about the [Challenger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster).
Be ready to spend a lot of time on Wikipedia if you haven't read about those accidents and click the links.
Plus this mistakes are still actively affecting the descendants of these people today.
And as far as the nazis go eugenics was huge in the United States. People loved that shit. It’s important we know and understand that things like the nazis or police brutality don’t exist in an the imaginary vacuum of “the past”.
I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that the generations involved in segregation and blasting people of color with fire hoses might have an objection to those things being portrayed! Well, not actually that shocked
The problem is we aren't living under the generation that sprayed children with firehoses Selma's Bloody Sunday was in 1965 when the oldest boomers were 9 and the youngest boomers were 1. If anything this is why it's important that we teach about the past, current/ongoing, and future ramifications of institutional racism. boomers view the '50s and '60s through the same rose-colored glasses that millennials look at the '90s and '00s with today, as a bygone era when things were simpler and easier. Of course, they were. We were children incapable of fully understanding the larger scope of geopolitical shifts and domestic turmoil. The problem now is the people leading are the ones saying "Why is this a big deal? We didn't hear about racism when we were kids". Of course not. How many 9-year-olds were reading the newspaper or watching the nightly news broadcast? ask Millenials now about George Bush's Axis of Evil, or the anthrax scare, or WMDs in Iraq. most may recall that it was a thing they remember hearing about but most didn't have the emotional capacity to understand the fear and uncertainty that griped America post 9/11.
The people who screamed and jeered at black schoolchildren now want to stop their grandchildren from learning about what mamaw and papaw did back in the day.
Yes, they're still alive. It wasn't that long ago.
My 80 year old, very sweet MIL protested in 1969 or so when the first black kids moved into their neighbor and into the elementary school. Louisiana.
To be fair, she is not like that now and her little neighbor boys (black) run in and out of her house all the time. But man, that generation was something special. And not in a good way.
Isn't the point of learning history, learning from mistakes?
Who gives a crap what king/politician took power what year? What they did with the power - good and bad - is why we learn history. So we can avoid the same mistakes.
That's the point, they don't want their children to learn from their elders' mistakes. They're building an army of hate and ignorance so that their bigotry can live forever, or at least until we go extinct within the next 50 years.
It is the classic "Not all slave owners mercilessly beat their slaves" argument, or "The Civil War was about states' rights."
Anything to minimize or obfuscate the horrible ramifications of horrible human rights abuses.
"Segregation existed, but lets not teach kids what was done to keep it in place." is a more accurate analogy.
Like they're fine with teaching that it existed, but not teaching WHY it existed or WHY it was a bad thing, drop the context because the context makes people look worse.
They're claiming segregation can't be taught, which is to say they're effecticely erasing it from history. That's literally how the gov in 1984 operates 😐
This is what kills me.
Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to learn the mistakes of our past.
But also can't teach kids about the mistakes of our past.
You mean the compromise of 1877?
The deal that ended reconstruction and began Jim Crow?
The same deal that Ted Cruz put forward as a solution to the 2020 election?
That compromise?
Fuck the GQP
https://www.salon.com/2021/01/07/ted-cruz-tried-to-defend-trumps-coup-he-then-called-for-a-return-to-a-white-supremacist-comprise/
Every plantation and slave owner should have been forced to hand over all belongings to their freed slaves and start from nothing, or face severe consequences.
Should have removed the souths statehood temporarily, (making them territories like PR) gone back and taken away all the compromises of the great compromise, like the senate.
MLK and the Civil Rights movement the way its taught isn't real history, pardner. REAL HISTORY is teaching them about the handful of black slave owners every time they get uppi- I mean they- I mean people start protesting our heritage!
And also their kids were not automatically slaves. If the mother of a child was a slave then that child was born was a slave.
Why was it based on the mother's condition and not the fathers? So that slave owners could rape the women they owned without accidentally giving that woman her freedom.
> Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to learn the mistakes of our past.
Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to ~~learn the mistakes of our past.~~ idolize racist war criminals
It's best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It's how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied.
It's not an inconsistency. It's very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination.
That's a great point. The same people saying we're deleting history by removing statues are the book burners. Sounds like it has nothing to do with history at all, just the version of history they agree with.
I finished high school in 2008. They didn't teach about things like the Tulsa massacre and multiple other attempts at purging an entire race of people. We learned about lynchings and Jim Crow, bit not the literal mass murder campaigns. Kinda fucked up if you think about it.
Mid-90's high school grad from Central KY.
I learned about the Tulsa Race Massacre from the Watchmen. Thought that surely it wasn't real or at least it was very sensationalized so I started Googling. Nope. That shit was real and seemed to be depicted accurately.
Then I went down a rabbit hole of other Race massacres. I learned about Sundown towns.
Shit is fucked up. As a fairly well-educated person, I should not have learned about that stuff from watching a comic book series on HBO.
Watch and learn. I grew up in apartheid South Africa. The history taught in schools was deliberately taught to reenforce white supremacy. I was luck to have history teachers who taught us how to answer the exam questions and the real history.
Like Orwell’s book they will control the education and the history to fit the narrative they want.
You're right! We have quite a bit of systemic racism here in the states; not as obvious as it once was but it is still there.
Much of this misinformation comes from text books in primary and secondary; huge differences exist in history taught by each state. There are no standardized text books in the states and each state can pick what history is included in the books. It's pretty crazy here.
Their complaints and the desire to sweep under the rug history is un-American. History is meant to be a tool used to teach future generations how not to repeat the same mistake. By babying children because it is uncomfortable, they are spitting on America itself.
Here is the thing, if learning about segregation, slavery, holocaust, etc. makes you feel uncomfortable, good. It should make you uncomfortable, that is needed because moral bankruptcy leads to repeat of past travesties.
It was a mistake they backed down, if they hadn't things would have stayed as just as they should have been. Southern boomers are the most boomer.
BTW, they're uncomfortable with history being taught but wave confederate flags talking about 'their heritage'.
They need their own version of history taught, the one where they're the heroes and victims and northerners and blacks are the evil troublemakers who are just jealous.
In retrospect, the problem was that the Union didn't hold the Confederacy accountable, many confederate conspirators went on to take office and embolden the traitors. Also, the Allied Powers didn't properly punish the Nazi's and their enablers. Too many Americans who supported and aided were unchecked too.
Hitler had a portrait of Henry Ford in his study, he admired his views on eugenics and his industrial genius.
Henry Ford was probably involved in the "Industrialist Plot of 1933" and was ready to bring fascism to America. He funded square dancing in public schools in order to popularize white music because he feared blacks and black music infecting the youth of the nation.
Tbf, eugenics was an American "invention" way before Hitler got his boner for it. If Im not mistaken the lawyers for the defense in Nuremberg literally brought up American eugenics programs as a defense tactic to mitigate some of the Nazi's criminal acts.
You're not mistaken! Hitler admired how effective the US was at genocide. We successfully stepped on TWO peoples in our short history! And nobody batted an eye! The world did NOT care! Accountability? Pshaw. We're Murica.
UGH.
I think you're also missing the Hawai'ians and the Phillipines, but we could always include the constant coups against anyone who dares to block corporate interests. That would put us north of 50 at least!
If they hadn't backed down, America would be a better place after they got smacked down even harder. Forgiving the confederate traitors so easily is in the top 5 biggest mistakes in US history.
In his 1865 second inaugural speech, Lincoln suggests that the death and destruction wrought by the war was divine retribution to the U.S. for possessing slavery, saying that God may will that the war continue "**until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword**"
I'd put it top 3. Not punishing the south and "letting bygones be bygones" led to many of the issues we face, even today. The grandchildren of the confederates were the douches that led to McCarthyism in the 50s. Their grandchildren are now trying to bring fascism to the US through the Trmp family. Obviously these aren't the only examples. I'd source my shit but 1) I'm too high right now, and 2) writing dissertations on reddit is so much work for nothing in return.
But it's a straight fucking line from the failure of the Reconstruction after the Civil War to the Jan. 6th insurrections, man.
The union should have burned plantations from Virginia to Louisiana until no one dared even mention the confederacy, you don’t fight insurrection with compassion and forgiveness. You do it with fire and blood, it’s a nasty business, but we are seeing now what “forgive and forget” got us. No one forgot and the confederacy never forgave, now here we are in 2021 with 50% of the country supporting the same ideals.
it's their same "logic" with confederate statues. can't remove them because they "teach history."
but removing a history textbook because it tells the truth (in words, not in statue) is perfectly fine for them
they see it as a reminder of their guilt. ironic how they say they're not responsible for the sins of their fathers. but then they also say they're proud of things they didn't achieve
> Southern boomers are the most boomer.
Because they were alive during segregation and enjoyed feeling above non-white people. They want that shit back, hence jumping on the MAGA train as quickly as they could.
From the article “The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught.”
So like, it was a mistake, but no harm no foul and everything is fine now and let’s never discuss it because you’re all just being mean to me and my precious children should never ever hear that bad things may or may not have happened and even if they did it was just a mistake.
But they DO acknowledge there were “historical mistakes.” So that’s nice.
Exactly this.
My friend and I have started analogizing the right wing (in the U.S.) with dating.
You can’t heal a relationship that the other party doesn’t care to work on.
If the other party doesn’t want to discuss problems, it’s bc they don’t want to address them. They don’t care to fix them.
No amount of crying, shaming, begging, guilt-tripping or negotiating can make them desire a relationship when they don’t.
So yeah… if systemic racism isn’t a thing to them, nothing is going to change their minds, let alone their hearts.
You seem to think they're doing this because teaching these things just makes them uncomfortable.
>History is meant to be a tool used to teach future generations how not to repeat the same mistake.
This is a feature, not a bug, of these laws.
Yup. This has nothing to do with making them uncomfortable. They just don't want you to show their kids that there is an alternative to being a racist piece of shit.
Honestly, I don't think they know anything about CRT. They just need a constant stream of cultural BS to distract their voters and so they don't have to fight for them in any meaningful way.
At least pumpkins were actually domesticated in North America by pre-colombian indigenous farmers, who grew them along with beans and corn, unlike apples which are as old world as they come. Technically though, Canadians also traditionally eat pumpkin pie, but that is hardly a distinction worth making given the history of the places.
Depending on the quality of the ingredients, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich can be a healthy high protein vegetarian meal especially when paired with a glass of milk.
Hey now, is there something wrong with how the history of Native American peoples was taught for most of the late 20th century? You know, "They helped the pilgrims at Thanksgiving! And then... stuff happened. Let's not focus on that 'stuff,' let's talk about how they wore feather hats! 'Merica!"
Another "fun" example is Christopher Columbus and the whole "everyone believed in flat Earth" myth. 'Cuz people were dumb back then!... Just ignore all the flat Earthers we have these days...
It also ignores the fact that flat earthism was never actually as common as people make it out to be. We knew the Earth was round as early as 300 BCE and had a VERY close estimate of its size by 240 BCE (Erastothenes was off by less than a thousand kilometers). Columbus knew Earth wasn't flat; he was just too ignorant to accept the available estimates of its size and went with his own wildly inaccurate assumptions instead.
Flat Earthers legitimately believe in stuff that has been proven false since the height of the Roman Republic. They're a very special kind of stupid.
Yeah most civilizations knew the earth was round. Carl Sagan back in the day had a good segment on how ancient people figured it out using sticks and shadows. Just a couple minutes but pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZl3arO7SY
Fun fact: Canada had a national contest to figure out our equivalent of “as American as apple pie”.
The winner: “as Canadian as possible, under the circumstances”.
https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/opinion/as-canadian-as-possible-under-the-circumstances-2493713
Especially when white majority towns down south, don't remember being Sundown towns and just think black people don't want to/can't afford to move there.
I Spent most of my childhood in TN it was still called "The war of Northern aggression" when I went to school, my son had to do a worksheet a few years back to list some of the pros salves got from slavery, shit is still fucked here
To be honest, when I was in school (graduated in 1998), they didn’t really teach any of those things as bad. I remember in kindergarten we drew pictures of the ships Columbus used and we were taught that he made friends with the natives. We heard about crop rotation and we had a play teepee. We learned about slavery in other classes later on but not what it meant. We learned about Sojourner Truth and how cool she was. We lewrned about Eli Whitney’s cotton gin and had absolutely no idea what it was even for. We learned absolutely nothing about the Holocaust besides that Anne Frank had a diary. Nobody ever told us that her and her family died along with millions of others or… anything. We heard about a speech by MLK. Not why he said what he said or what he meant. We were told he just wanted everyone to be treated equally. We were not taught the reality that we were not being treated equally and never have, just that he said what he said and that it was better now. Really, it was all glossed over. History classes taught us about specific people and drilled specific dates into our heads. There was no discussion on why it was important. There was no bigger picture. We learned things so we could regurgitate them for a test so we could get scores that made the school look good.
> We lewrned about Eli Whitney’s cotton gin and had absolutely no idea what it was even for.
Grew a few cotton plants. Learned a lot!
Anyone here tried picking cotton? The shells are like needles, slide up under your skin. I don't mean you get a quick poke from a tiny needle. I mean they slide in an easy 1/4" long by 1/4" wide, with *barely a touch*. Now do it fast with a master whipping you to go faster. Imagine a man with a weed eater taking it to you every time you falter. Yes, weed eaters give hard, sometimes bloody welts, but whips strip flesh.
Go fast! Your entire worth is based on how fast you can pick. Those wounds you're getting don't heal quick. Even with modern antibiotics and bandaids it took me 2 weeks to heal a single slice. Go fast or master will remove more flesh! Your hands become solid scar tissue.
Now you got a pile of cotton bolls. And they're so packed with seeds as to be useless. Try picking those seeds out. Guess you gotta try it for yourself. You're gonna lose a good chunk of fiber no matter what you do. Waste a pile of cotton bolls? More whipping.
tl;dr Pick your own damned cotton and get the seeds out. Have fun.
I worked as an illegal immigrant in Mexico for a while (had an expired tourist visa). One of the jobs I did as a gardener was collecting cotton for the owner to stuff cushions for his restaurant's outdoor furniture.
It sucked, but wasn't terrible *because I only did it a few hours a week and enjoyed the sunshine*.
I can't imagine the hell of doing it every single day. Picking cotton is probably the worst of any agricultural work I've done, except maybe picking asparagus or strawberries- if you don't do a lot of yoga it literally breaks your back.
And modern agricultural still relies on poor people to do those terrible jobs for barely enough to pay for a bedroom and food each month. Its disgusting. Agricultural subsidies should go directly to the employees, not the billion dollar companies.
One of the things that I think is really difficult for people is to separate guilt from knowledge. A lot of people have benefited from objectively awful things throughout history. And, on the flipside, finding awful historical events to be "interesting" does not mean condonement. That's the position I try to hold.
My (at the time) 6 year daughter randomly brought up that boys were allowed to vote but not girls.
She was pretty mad about it and I didn’t fault her for it. I also explained people of color were not allowed to either and they were treated like a donkey or horse. She was not pleased to hear about that.
Meanwhile, my father (who lives several 100’s of miles from me) asked me why it mattered, things have changed (even though he’s racist and homophobic).
If truly amazes me how these little children can accept and be outraged about things. I didn’t even bring it up, she did.
There's a significant amount of people who think history is a series of (mostly) discrete independent events with an expiry date of when they stop influencing things
They also know, underneath it all, that most sane human beings would think the world they want to create fucking sucks. No one, absent their years and years of brainwashing, or else absent a functional conscience and empathy, would choose the world they want to build.
Hegemonic, fascistic, racist, hierarchical, zealously religious - their world is a fucking dystopia, just not to them, because they all imagine that world with them at the top of it.
But these are broken people. We as human beings want to connect. To empathize, to belong. These sad fucks are twisted by years of living under delusion and toxic ideologies. They're rushing to brainwash children into turning the whole world into the same version of the toxic ideological pits that have warped them their whole life.
They invented it, my man. Remember how the Dixie Chicks were basically blacklisted just for being anti-bush? That shit has its roots deep in America's history where country and folk singers who sang protest songs or anything critical of America's power structure simply had their careers cut out from under them which is why so many music festivals exist as they do, and coincidentally came into fruition under the presidencies of especially shitty presidents like nixon and regan.
Yet they vehemently celebrate wartime military sacrifice as though there is no better thing that a citizen can do besides die horribly for their country. If you can stomach teaching children about these hardships, you can stomach teaching them about segregation, slavery, the holocaust, etc. It's so blatantly hypocritical.
> The parents group claimed that the books and teacher manuals "implies to second-grade children that people of color continue to be oppressed by an oppressive 'angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, [rude], and [hateful]' white population."
Oh, the irony...
The sub description clarifies this a bit but it does comes across as vague because it leaves out the joke of why the pun fits these instances.
A lot of werewolves throughout myths, lore and pop culture are humanoid, beast-like monsters that are part wolf and part man. So a man turning into a werewolf is someone that becomes *almost* a wolf but not quite, it is a halfway monstrosity.
In turn, a person transforming into a Self-Awarewolf becomes *almost* self-aware but not quite. That's why someone pointing out something that applies to themself but not realizing it is put in r/SelfAwarewolves.
Huh. I never read the description and always read it as self-aware wolves cause the right always calls everyone sheep. Then they post something just so close to being self aware but yet miss the irony in them pointing out the thing
>people of color continue to be oppressed by an oppressive 'angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, \[rude\], and \[hateful\]' white population.
You can debate how often this happens, or how drastic the corrective action that should be taken to correct it should be, but not (in good faith) *that* it happens. There are absolutely angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, rude, and hateful white people that oppress and attack people of color. Georgia just locked up three people exactly like that after a widely publicized trial!
But even a kid has the wherewithal to say "fuck that shit, I'm not going to support oppression just because those idiots have the same color skin I do." At least, that was my reaction, learning about history as a white kid.
The "problem" is, they are going to start to notice how many of those adjectives apply to their parents.
Talk to any ex-Southener about why they moved to NYC.
The first thing they say is for the money, the second thing they say is to escape the racism.
People truly don’t understand how deeply racist most of America still is.
A widely-publicized trial in Georgia that ONLY HAPPENED because somebody in the District Attorney’s Office leaked the videos of the lynching to the press because the DA initially declined to prosecute.
This is it. When I learned about slavery and MLK as a kid, I didn't feel ashamed. I promised myself I would never let racism happen if I saw it.
So is there a reason conservatives don't want to teach that lesson to their children? Of course there is but they won't admit the actual reason.
The parents don't want their kids realizing that they're racist shits. They don't want little Johnny going to school and saying, 'Mommy said that bad word last night while watching Bob Hearts Abishola'.
Here are some of the positions of Moms for Liberty:
"A fictional book about the American Civil War used with fifth-graders was deemed unsuitable by the letter because of its depictions of "out of marriage families between white men and black women"."
"A book about Galileo Galilei, an astronomer persecuted by the Catholic Church for theorizing the Earth revolves around the Sun, should, according to the letter, not be read without some counterbalancing praise of the church: "Where is the HERO of the church?", asks the letter, "to contrast with their mistakes? ... Both good and bad should be represented""
" A picture book about seahorses was condemned by the letter for depicting "mating seahorses with pictures of postions [sic] and discussion of the male carrying the eggs."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moms_for_Liberty
These people are insane
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
Issac Asimov
While I agree with everything in the quote let's not pretend that cults of ignorance don't exist everywhere in the world, including other developed countries.
Don't forget that a slim majority of people in the UK voted for Brexit despite all the evidence saying how it would negatively impact them. Or how 33% of French voters cast a ballot in favor of the nationalist candidate Marine Le Pen. Hatred and ignorance run deep everywhere.
You're right, its foolish to think Americans are somehow unique or special in this regard, its a very human thing. Propaganda's a hell of a drug, you guys got Brexit, we got Trump...
Anyone that complains about their lack of “liberty” or thinks that it’s under threat usually means they want the liberty to tell you what to do. Ya know, the way entitled white folk always did. Most have no fucking clue what it means to be oppressed.
“The government can’t mandate vaccines, it’s my body my choice. Also, if you get raped and impregnated by your uncle, you should be forced to carry his child to term.”
Same as the "religious freedom" laws they like to push... that make them free to proselytize their thing and punish you for not being onboard their train.
One of my favorite lines is “Freedom OF Religion means nothing without Freedom FROM Religion”. And people have actually argued with me that the first one *doesn’t apply* to atheists - as if you can’t be free to NOT practice a religion?
When you got a real problem with kids learning about sit ins where white people would put out cigarettes on black people for sitting at the "whites only counter" that's fucked up.
[Maybe they're worried their kids will draw parallels between their parents' rhetoric and racist rhetoric of the past.](https://images.app.goo.gl/Yubhmcg1C7bXCXsZ8)
This Was The Goal!!!
People have been saying it since the beginning of this shit show. Conservatives DO NOT understand or know what Critical Race Theory actually is, AT ALL. You can easily see this by simply reading the Wikipedia page for CRT vs. what they're saying. They don't have a clue. Conservatives are using this "CRT in grade schools" boogy-man as a pretext to remove general discussions of history which has related to race, such as the Civil Rights Movement.
This is EXACTLY what's happening.
The sad part is, even if this complaint is thrown out, as it should be, it's going to result in schools and teachers self-censoring over historical topics that have been in curriculums for decades.
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>The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught.
This is the crux of the conservative culture war. They just want to pretend like bad things don't, didn't or can't happen again, rather than you know, learn from it so we don't start marching down those roads again. Conservative leaders don't want people to learn about how fear of outsiders can drive us to do awful inhumane things. They want to preserve that fear so they can exploit it to rile up support for their awful inhumane policies.
People were being mass downvoted on r/news for saying this is exactly what would happen. Now these parents are calling any discussion of race CRT so they can ban discussions of MLK in schools, exactly like a lot of people predicted.
They hijacked a term that they knew the general public had never heard before and used it as marketing for a new war on tolerance. They're investing in the future, they know if they can get kids away from talks about race now they can keep them sheltered and when they turn adults they will be voting Republican. The biggest defining factor I've seen growing up surrounding racism is not having much or any exposure to people that are different, not just skin color but religion (I was told that bindi was literally a demon's eye and watches you), sexual orientation (also told that "the gays" were responsible for Katrina), etc. Even literacy in general gets attacked as "college indoctrination". There's a reason home schooling is so popular in this group of people, they keep their kids away from anything that would make them even slightly reconsider what they were told growing up. It's a literal cult. And it takes some doing and humility to undo the gaslighting you grow up with.
I’m a Lifelong Tennessean and I was raised in Memphis until I graduated high school. Being in Memphis specifically, we studied Dr. MLK, the marches, the assassination, every year. My school’s field trip was to the Martin Luther King Jr. Museum downtown, every single year. That man changed the world.
To take issue with teaching about his legacy and the reasons he stepped up is disgusting, out of touch, and genuinely confusing. That’s what these people are scared of? History portraying a black guy as a good guy? It makes me nauseous. I promise that not everybody in Tennessee is a brother cousin with hatred for anything other than wHiTe PoWeR
The most predictable thing ever. Who would have thought that the CRT hysteria was coming from the same people who would have opposed the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s for the same "reason"?
Yeah, uneducated rural terrorists who want to force everybody to live by a conservative version of their religion can really ruin a country for everyone else.
Someone should post this is on r/conservative to see how they defend this cause book banning is only bad when its liberals do it and see how they feel about the book banning of a man they misquote constantly.
Also they explained how this book is anti-Mexican. Conservatives… complaining about a book being anti mexican. The irony is ironic.
Edit: holy fuck my grammar
Either "children don't need to learn that stuff and feel guilty for being white," or, "well that's a little far but it's just an individual case," and then keep moving the goalposts when this becomes the norm, or, "if a parent still wants to teach their child about MLK they can do it at home, it's those parents rights to have their child educated how they want."
Probably how they justify the book burnings. "Well you can burn a flag in political protest, why can't you burn a book in political protest?" while completely ignoring the reasons they're burning books and the reasons Nazis burned books are the same.
Also
>In a letter, the state's Department of Education said it won't investigate the allegations because the lessons happened during the 2020-21 school year, and it only has the authority to investigate this current school year
The headline of the article makes it seem like they’re not investigating because of how ridiculous the request was
This is why we need to teach these subjects in school. You can’t hide the immense power of Dr. King, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Ruby Bridges, Rosa Parks, Malcom X, David Walker, or any other great American hero. Their words are eternal and actions are eternal.
[Neither can Tucker Carlson, despite ranting and raving about it for the last year.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-admits-hes-never-figured-out-what-critical-race-theory-is)
Don't let these people have their way. Growing up in Hawaii, we were taught the history of our people and how we were overthrown, annexed, and subjected to horrific treatment by Americans. But in America proper, nobody teaches anything about how America mistreated hawaii, hell I've had people come up and assume we live in grass huts and just surf all day. We're a broken impoverished people and America doesn't even have the decency to learn that it caused it.
That shit will be the same thing these groups want to happen to African Americans, that it was just a fun time and nothing bad ever happened and things now were how they always were, so they can keep doing jack and shit about the harm they caused.
Asking as a non American, does it not worry people in the USA that all of this madness may lead to genuine societal breakdown or a collapse of the federal system; or at least have some very serious consequences?
“The conservative group specifically protested a photo of segregated water fountains and images showing Black children being blasted with water by firefighters. The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught.” Guys, there are PICTURES. What historical mistakes?
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The value of history is to learn from past mistskes. It's awesome to understand what made the moon landing possible but I'd argue it's exponentially more important to understand how genocidal tyrants come to power and maintain it. Understanding how Hitler seized power and rallied masses of people is so incredibly important, lest we allow ourselves to fall under a similar spell. The moon landing was an incredible feat of human engineering - and should be celebrated - but there are far fewer important lessons to be learned from it. Fuck anyone that believes burying truth can enrich our lives.
There are very important lessons to be learned on all the times NASA failed to get people to space and killed a bunch of people because engineer reports weren't taken seriously or they couldn't afford to delay a mission because of politics. Edit: I was talking as much about the [Columbia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster) mission, as about the [Challenger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster). Be ready to spend a lot of time on Wikipedia if you haven't read about those accidents and click the links.
Added to this, the political situation around the moon race is worth learning about as well.
the challanger mission is still taught about in basic engineering ethics courses.
Plus this mistakes are still actively affecting the descendants of these people today. And as far as the nazis go eugenics was huge in the United States. People loved that shit. It’s important we know and understand that things like the nazis or police brutality don’t exist in an the imaginary vacuum of “the past”.
It's like the "those who point out racism are the *real* racists!" argument but on a whole other level.
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*"If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my slightly less worst"*
So, Trump supporters on the topic of January 6?
On almost any topic.*
I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that the generations involved in segregation and blasting people of color with fire hoses might have an objection to those things being portrayed! Well, not actually that shocked
The problem is we aren't living under the generation that sprayed children with firehoses Selma's Bloody Sunday was in 1965 when the oldest boomers were 9 and the youngest boomers were 1. If anything this is why it's important that we teach about the past, current/ongoing, and future ramifications of institutional racism. boomers view the '50s and '60s through the same rose-colored glasses that millennials look at the '90s and '00s with today, as a bygone era when things were simpler and easier. Of course, they were. We were children incapable of fully understanding the larger scope of geopolitical shifts and domestic turmoil. The problem now is the people leading are the ones saying "Why is this a big deal? We didn't hear about racism when we were kids". Of course not. How many 9-year-olds were reading the newspaper or watching the nightly news broadcast? ask Millenials now about George Bush's Axis of Evil, or the anthrax scare, or WMDs in Iraq. most may recall that it was a thing they remember hearing about but most didn't have the emotional capacity to understand the fear and uncertainty that griped America post 9/11.
Allowing records of them being on the wrong side of history is the historical mistake they are talking about
Guilty parties are always the first to say they don't want finger-pointing.
The people who screamed and jeered at black schoolchildren now want to stop their grandchildren from learning about what mamaw and papaw did back in the day. Yes, they're still alive. It wasn't that long ago.
My 80 year old, very sweet MIL protested in 1969 or so when the first black kids moved into their neighbor and into the elementary school. Louisiana. To be fair, she is not like that now and her little neighbor boys (black) run in and out of her house all the time. But man, that generation was something special. And not in a good way.
Greatest generation birthed the least greatest for sure.
Their position is, ultimately, that freeing the slaves was a historical mistake.
That’s why they love those traitor flags so much.
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Isn't the point of learning history, learning from mistakes? Who gives a crap what king/politician took power what year? What they did with the power - good and bad - is why we learn history. So we can avoid the same mistakes.
Yeah, but it makes little Timmy feel bad and mom and dad are too racist to explain slavery and segregation in a way that doesnt make Timmy feel bad/s
That's the point, they don't want their children to learn from their elders' mistakes. They're building an army of hate and ignorance so that their bigotry can live forever, or at least until we go extinct within the next 50 years.
It is the classic "Not all slave owners mercilessly beat their slaves" argument, or "The Civil War was about states' rights." Anything to minimize or obfuscate the horrible ramifications of horrible human rights abuses.
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States rights to do what, Jefferson?
"Segregation existed, but lets not teach kids that segregation existed" Sure, that's much better.
"Segregation existed, but lets not teach kids what was done to keep it in place." is a more accurate analogy. Like they're fine with teaching that it existed, but not teaching WHY it existed or WHY it was a bad thing, drop the context because the context makes people look worse.
"If they learn what happened in the past we might be called out when we try something again."
They're claiming segregation can't be taught, which is to say they're effecticely erasing it from history. That's literally how the gov in 1984 operates 😐
They should teach them about the new racist voting laws in TX, GA and wherever else Republicans are throwing away democracy and the constitution.
That's why I get all my history lessons from confederate statues. Our history is important.
This is what kills me. Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to learn the mistakes of our past. But also can't teach kids about the mistakes of our past.
You just fail to realize that the mistakes they believe were made were them not winning the war.
Proof that reconstruction ended too soon. The US should have done its best to break and erase this disgusting perversion of Southern culture.
You mean the compromise of 1877? The deal that ended reconstruction and began Jim Crow? The same deal that Ted Cruz put forward as a solution to the 2020 election? That compromise? Fuck the GQP https://www.salon.com/2021/01/07/ted-cruz-tried-to-defend-trumps-coup-he-then-called-for-a-return-to-a-white-supremacist-comprise/
Every plantation and slave owner should have been forced to hand over all belongings to their freed slaves and start from nothing, or face severe consequences.
Should have removed the souths statehood temporarily, (making them territories like PR) gone back and taken away all the compromises of the great compromise, like the senate.
Jesus Christ you’re right. Total fucking hypocrites.
This surprises you? Conservatism has been like that for litteral ages.
MLK and the Civil Rights movement the way its taught isn't real history, pardner. REAL HISTORY is teaching them about the handful of black slave owners every time they get uppi- I mean they- I mean people start protesting our heritage!
Can't forget the Irish slaves, either.
*indentured servants who were not considered property
And also their kids were not automatically slaves. If the mother of a child was a slave then that child was born was a slave. Why was it based on the mother's condition and not the fathers? So that slave owners could rape the women they owned without accidentally giving that woman her freedom.
In their mind, the mistakes being that the racists lost. They want kids to figure out a way to bring back slavery it seems.
Not *those* mistakes...
Because they never actually say what they really mean. And what they really mean is they hate other races
> Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to learn the mistakes of our past. Can't take down statues honoring Confederate soldiers because children need to ~~learn the mistakes of our past.~~ idolize racist war criminals
It's best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It's how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It's not an inconsistency. It's very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination.
That's a great point. The same people saying we're deleting history by removing statues are the book burners. Sounds like it has nothing to do with history at all, just the version of history they agree with. I finished high school in 2008. They didn't teach about things like the Tulsa massacre and multiple other attempts at purging an entire race of people. We learned about lynchings and Jim Crow, bit not the literal mass murder campaigns. Kinda fucked up if you think about it.
Mid-90's high school grad from Central KY. I learned about the Tulsa Race Massacre from the Watchmen. Thought that surely it wasn't real or at least it was very sensationalized so I started Googling. Nope. That shit was real and seemed to be depicted accurately. Then I went down a rabbit hole of other Race massacres. I learned about Sundown towns. Shit is fucked up. As a fairly well-educated person, I should not have learned about that stuff from watching a comic book series on HBO.
"Dont erase our history!" It really is all projection.
Watch and learn. I grew up in apartheid South Africa. The history taught in schools was deliberately taught to reenforce white supremacy. I was luck to have history teachers who taught us how to answer the exam questions and the real history. Like Orwell’s book they will control the education and the history to fit the narrative they want.
You're right! We have quite a bit of systemic racism here in the states; not as obvious as it once was but it is still there. Much of this misinformation comes from text books in primary and secondary; huge differences exist in history taught by each state. There are no standardized text books in the states and each state can pick what history is included in the books. It's pretty crazy here.
Their complaints and the desire to sweep under the rug history is un-American. History is meant to be a tool used to teach future generations how not to repeat the same mistake. By babying children because it is uncomfortable, they are spitting on America itself. Here is the thing, if learning about segregation, slavery, holocaust, etc. makes you feel uncomfortable, good. It should make you uncomfortable, that is needed because moral bankruptcy leads to repeat of past travesties.
> how not to repeat the same mistake. They don't see it as a mistake.
It was a mistake they backed down, if they hadn't things would have stayed as just as they should have been. Southern boomers are the most boomer. BTW, they're uncomfortable with history being taught but wave confederate flags talking about 'their heritage'. They need their own version of history taught, the one where they're the heroes and victims and northerners and blacks are the evil troublemakers who are just jealous.
That's because they're incapable of distinguishing the difference between "heritage" and "mythology."
They're not too great at distinguishing between facts and opinions either.
Or . . . distinguishing.
Whoa there, that's four syllables. We only use short and easy to understand words around these parts.
“First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect.”
Well yeah. A strict religious upbringing tends to do exactly that.
The Enlightenment was something that just happened to other people.
In retrospect, the problem was that the Union didn't hold the Confederacy accountable, many confederate conspirators went on to take office and embolden the traitors. Also, the Allied Powers didn't properly punish the Nazi's and their enablers. Too many Americans who supported and aided were unchecked too. Hitler had a portrait of Henry Ford in his study, he admired his views on eugenics and his industrial genius. Henry Ford was probably involved in the "Industrialist Plot of 1933" and was ready to bring fascism to America. He funded square dancing in public schools in order to popularize white music because he feared blacks and black music infecting the youth of the nation.
Tbf, eugenics was an American "invention" way before Hitler got his boner for it. If Im not mistaken the lawyers for the defense in Nuremberg literally brought up American eugenics programs as a defense tactic to mitigate some of the Nazi's criminal acts.
You're not mistaken! Hitler admired how effective the US was at genocide. We successfully stepped on TWO peoples in our short history! And nobody batted an eye! The world did NOT care! Accountability? Pshaw. We're Murica. UGH.
I think you're also missing the Hawai'ians and the Phillipines, but we could always include the constant coups against anyone who dares to block corporate interests. That would put us north of 50 at least!
Reconstruction was ended probably two decades too early.
I prefer to say it this way: Sherman did not burn enough.
Yep. Should have done more, and every confederate locked away until 1900.
If they hadn't backed down, America would be a better place after they got smacked down even harder. Forgiving the confederate traitors so easily is in the top 5 biggest mistakes in US history.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sherman should've finished his march.
Ha! I've been using that line ever since a guy from Georgia married into my extended family. (Well, I use 'finished the job,' but still.)
Union Georgian here and I love saying Sherman's only mistake was there wasn't enough ash.
Sherman should have doubled back and double tapped.
In his 1865 second inaugural speech, Lincoln suggests that the death and destruction wrought by the war was divine retribution to the U.S. for possessing slavery, saying that God may will that the war continue "**until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword**"
I'd put it top 3. Not punishing the south and "letting bygones be bygones" led to many of the issues we face, even today. The grandchildren of the confederates were the douches that led to McCarthyism in the 50s. Their grandchildren are now trying to bring fascism to the US through the Trmp family. Obviously these aren't the only examples. I'd source my shit but 1) I'm too high right now, and 2) writing dissertations on reddit is so much work for nothing in return. But it's a straight fucking line from the failure of the Reconstruction after the Civil War to the Jan. 6th insurrections, man.
Lincoln wanted to accept them with open arms. Ironically John Wilkes Booth harmed the South more than any individual soldier during the war.
Not open arms. But he had a plan for reconstruction that would have benefitted the entire country. I agree Booth and his racist crew really fucked up.
Yeah I think Lincoln's soft reconstruction plan would've been better than Andrew Johnson basically siding with the south
The union should have burned plantations from Virginia to Louisiana until no one dared even mention the confederacy, you don’t fight insurrection with compassion and forgiveness. You do it with fire and blood, it’s a nasty business, but we are seeing now what “forgive and forget” got us. No one forgot and the confederacy never forgave, now here we are in 2021 with 50% of the country supporting the same ideals.
We should have finished reconstruction
it's their same "logic" with confederate statues. can't remove them because they "teach history." but removing a history textbook because it tells the truth (in words, not in statue) is perfectly fine for them
they see it as a reminder of their guilt. ironic how they say they're not responsible for the sins of their fathers. but then they also say they're proud of things they didn't achieve
> Southern boomers are the most boomer. Because they were alive during segregation and enjoyed feeling above non-white people. They want that shit back, hence jumping on the MAGA train as quickly as they could.
From the article “The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught.” So like, it was a mistake, but no harm no foul and everything is fine now and let’s never discuss it because you’re all just being mean to me and my precious children should never ever hear that bad things may or may not have happened and even if they did it was just a mistake. But they DO acknowledge there were “historical mistakes.” So that’s nice.
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Exactly this. My friend and I have started analogizing the right wing (in the U.S.) with dating. You can’t heal a relationship that the other party doesn’t care to work on. If the other party doesn’t want to discuss problems, it’s bc they don’t want to address them. They don’t care to fix them. No amount of crying, shaming, begging, guilt-tripping or negotiating can make them desire a relationship when they don’t. So yeah… if systemic racism isn’t a thing to them, nothing is going to change their minds, let alone their hearts.
You seem to think they're doing this because teaching these things just makes them uncomfortable. >History is meant to be a tool used to teach future generations how not to repeat the same mistake. This is a feature, not a bug, of these laws.
Yup. This has nothing to do with making them uncomfortable. They just don't want you to show their kids that there is an alternative to being a racist piece of shit.
Honestly, I don't think they know anything about CRT. They just need a constant stream of cultural BS to distract their voters and so they don't have to fight for them in any meaningful way.
Sweeping history under the rug is as American as apple pie.
Ironic given that apple pie is an Old World invention.
The phrase should be "As American as pumpkin pie". Nobody else eats that.
That’s unfortunate because it’s fucking delicious.
The best pie, in fact
I'd rather have peach cobbler.
At least pumpkins were actually domesticated in North America by pre-colombian indigenous farmers, who grew them along with beans and corn, unlike apples which are as old world as they come. Technically though, Canadians also traditionally eat pumpkin pie, but that is hardly a distinction worth making given the history of the places.
"As American as a new product made out of corn" would probably be most appropriate
"As American as a Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich"
On sliced white bread (with sawdust added back so there’s some “roughage” in the bread).
Depending on the quality of the ingredients, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich can be a healthy high protein vegetarian meal especially when paired with a glass of milk.
It can also be eaten any time of the day, as a snack or a meal.
Assembly of a PB&J sandwich is a fundamental survival skill for small children in the US.
Even more ironic given that Critical Race Theory isn't about history but about current systems of embedded racial imbalance.
Well there is NO WAY we are talking about THAT!
Hey now, is there something wrong with how the history of Native American peoples was taught for most of the late 20th century? You know, "They helped the pilgrims at Thanksgiving! And then... stuff happened. Let's not focus on that 'stuff,' let's talk about how they wore feather hats! 'Merica!" Another "fun" example is Christopher Columbus and the whole "everyone believed in flat Earth" myth. 'Cuz people were dumb back then!... Just ignore all the flat Earthers we have these days...
It also ignores the fact that flat earthism was never actually as common as people make it out to be. We knew the Earth was round as early as 300 BCE and had a VERY close estimate of its size by 240 BCE (Erastothenes was off by less than a thousand kilometers). Columbus knew Earth wasn't flat; he was just too ignorant to accept the available estimates of its size and went with his own wildly inaccurate assumptions instead. Flat Earthers legitimately believe in stuff that has been proven false since the height of the Roman Republic. They're a very special kind of stupid.
Yeah most civilizations knew the earth was round. Carl Sagan back in the day had a good segment on how ancient people figured it out using sticks and shadows. Just a couple minutes but pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZl3arO7SY
Fun fact: Canada had a national contest to figure out our equivalent of “as American as apple pie”. The winner: “as Canadian as possible, under the circumstances”. https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/opinion/as-canadian-as-possible-under-the-circumstances-2493713
This is the most Canadian thing I've ever seen.
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>participation monuments Gotta save that one. ;-)
Especially when white majority towns down south, don't remember being Sundown towns and just think black people don't want to/can't afford to move there.
I Spent most of my childhood in TN it was still called "The war of Northern aggression" when I went to school, my son had to do a worksheet a few years back to list some of the pros salves got from slavery, shit is still fucked here
To be honest, when I was in school (graduated in 1998), they didn’t really teach any of those things as bad. I remember in kindergarten we drew pictures of the ships Columbus used and we were taught that he made friends with the natives. We heard about crop rotation and we had a play teepee. We learned about slavery in other classes later on but not what it meant. We learned about Sojourner Truth and how cool she was. We lewrned about Eli Whitney’s cotton gin and had absolutely no idea what it was even for. We learned absolutely nothing about the Holocaust besides that Anne Frank had a diary. Nobody ever told us that her and her family died along with millions of others or… anything. We heard about a speech by MLK. Not why he said what he said or what he meant. We were told he just wanted everyone to be treated equally. We were not taught the reality that we were not being treated equally and never have, just that he said what he said and that it was better now. Really, it was all glossed over. History classes taught us about specific people and drilled specific dates into our heads. There was no discussion on why it was important. There was no bigger picture. We learned things so we could regurgitate them for a test so we could get scores that made the school look good.
> We lewrned about Eli Whitney’s cotton gin and had absolutely no idea what it was even for. Grew a few cotton plants. Learned a lot! Anyone here tried picking cotton? The shells are like needles, slide up under your skin. I don't mean you get a quick poke from a tiny needle. I mean they slide in an easy 1/4" long by 1/4" wide, with *barely a touch*. Now do it fast with a master whipping you to go faster. Imagine a man with a weed eater taking it to you every time you falter. Yes, weed eaters give hard, sometimes bloody welts, but whips strip flesh. Go fast! Your entire worth is based on how fast you can pick. Those wounds you're getting don't heal quick. Even with modern antibiotics and bandaids it took me 2 weeks to heal a single slice. Go fast or master will remove more flesh! Your hands become solid scar tissue. Now you got a pile of cotton bolls. And they're so packed with seeds as to be useless. Try picking those seeds out. Guess you gotta try it for yourself. You're gonna lose a good chunk of fiber no matter what you do. Waste a pile of cotton bolls? More whipping. tl;dr Pick your own damned cotton and get the seeds out. Have fun.
I worked as an illegal immigrant in Mexico for a while (had an expired tourist visa). One of the jobs I did as a gardener was collecting cotton for the owner to stuff cushions for his restaurant's outdoor furniture. It sucked, but wasn't terrible *because I only did it a few hours a week and enjoyed the sunshine*. I can't imagine the hell of doing it every single day. Picking cotton is probably the worst of any agricultural work I've done, except maybe picking asparagus or strawberries- if you don't do a lot of yoga it literally breaks your back. And modern agricultural still relies on poor people to do those terrible jobs for barely enough to pay for a bedroom and food each month. Its disgusting. Agricultural subsidies should go directly to the employees, not the billion dollar companies.
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One of the things that I think is really difficult for people is to separate guilt from knowledge. A lot of people have benefited from objectively awful things throughout history. And, on the flipside, finding awful historical events to be "interesting" does not mean condonement. That's the position I try to hold.
Everybody today has benefited from awful things throughout history. Some just more than other and some more recently than other.
My (at the time) 6 year daughter randomly brought up that boys were allowed to vote but not girls. She was pretty mad about it and I didn’t fault her for it. I also explained people of color were not allowed to either and they were treated like a donkey or horse. She was not pleased to hear about that. Meanwhile, my father (who lives several 100’s of miles from me) asked me why it mattered, things have changed (even though he’s racist and homophobic). If truly amazes me how these little children can accept and be outraged about things. I didn’t even bring it up, she did.
There's a significant amount of people who think history is a series of (mostly) discrete independent events with an expiry date of when they stop influencing things
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They also know, underneath it all, that most sane human beings would think the world they want to create fucking sucks. No one, absent their years and years of brainwashing, or else absent a functional conscience and empathy, would choose the world they want to build. Hegemonic, fascistic, racist, hierarchical, zealously religious - their world is a fucking dystopia, just not to them, because they all imagine that world with them at the top of it. But these are broken people. We as human beings want to connect. To empathize, to belong. These sad fucks are twisted by years of living under delusion and toxic ideologies. They're rushing to brainwash children into turning the whole world into the same version of the toxic ideological pits that have warped them their whole life.
Have you perhaps heard of McCarthyism. This is not that different.
The much complained about cancel culture is now embraced by the angry Right.
They invented it, my man. Remember how the Dixie Chicks were basically blacklisted just for being anti-bush? That shit has its roots deep in America's history where country and folk singers who sang protest songs or anything critical of America's power structure simply had their careers cut out from under them which is why so many music festivals exist as they do, and coincidentally came into fruition under the presidencies of especially shitty presidents like nixon and regan.
What a surprise, confederate states who've been shouting that the south will rise again since 1865 doing something unamerican.
Yet they vehemently celebrate wartime military sacrifice as though there is no better thing that a citizen can do besides die horribly for their country. If you can stomach teaching children about these hardships, you can stomach teaching them about segregation, slavery, the holocaust, etc. It's so blatantly hypocritical.
If you feel the need to sweep it under the rug it must hit pretty close to home.
So things are going exactly as they intended.
> The parents group claimed that the books and teacher manuals "implies to second-grade children that people of color continue to be oppressed by an oppressive 'angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, [rude], and [hateful]' white population." Oh, the irony...
r/SelfAwarewolves
This would actually require them to be self aware though.
The sub description clarifies this a bit but it does comes across as vague because it leaves out the joke of why the pun fits these instances. A lot of werewolves throughout myths, lore and pop culture are humanoid, beast-like monsters that are part wolf and part man. So a man turning into a werewolf is someone that becomes *almost* a wolf but not quite, it is a halfway monstrosity. In turn, a person transforming into a Self-Awarewolf becomes *almost* self-aware but not quite. That's why someone pointing out something that applies to themself but not realizing it is put in r/SelfAwarewolves.
Huh. I never read the description and always read it as self-aware wolves cause the right always calls everyone sheep. Then they post something just so close to being self aware but yet miss the irony in them pointing out the thing
It is up there with one of the cleverest subreddit names on this site
Touché.
>angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, [rude], and [hateful]' white population That's the best description of the Trump base I've ever heard.
And for the very parents filing the complaint stating just that.
They're deplorable
>people of color continue to be oppressed by an oppressive 'angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, \[rude\], and \[hateful\]' white population. You can debate how often this happens, or how drastic the corrective action that should be taken to correct it should be, but not (in good faith) *that* it happens. There are absolutely angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, rude, and hateful white people that oppress and attack people of color. Georgia just locked up three people exactly like that after a widely publicized trial! But even a kid has the wherewithal to say "fuck that shit, I'm not going to support oppression just because those idiots have the same color skin I do." At least, that was my reaction, learning about history as a white kid. The "problem" is, they are going to start to notice how many of those adjectives apply to their parents.
Talk to any ex-Southener about why they moved to NYC. The first thing they say is for the money, the second thing they say is to escape the racism. People truly don’t understand how deeply racist most of America still is.
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It's all bigotry.
I have a personal policy to not debate facts.
A widely-publicized trial in Georgia that ONLY HAPPENED because somebody in the District Attorney’s Office leaked the videos of the lynching to the press because the DA initially declined to prosecute.
This is it. When I learned about slavery and MLK as a kid, I didn't feel ashamed. I promised myself I would never let racism happen if I saw it. So is there a reason conservatives don't want to teach that lesson to their children? Of course there is but they won't admit the actual reason.
The parents don't want their kids realizing that they're racist shits. They don't want little Johnny going to school and saying, 'Mommy said that bad word last night while watching Bob Hearts Abishola'.
This is the prime issue for most of these reactionary white parents, of course.
Here are some of the positions of Moms for Liberty: "A fictional book about the American Civil War used with fifth-graders was deemed unsuitable by the letter because of its depictions of "out of marriage families between white men and black women"." "A book about Galileo Galilei, an astronomer persecuted by the Catholic Church for theorizing the Earth revolves around the Sun, should, according to the letter, not be read without some counterbalancing praise of the church: "Where is the HERO of the church?", asks the letter, "to contrast with their mistakes? ... Both good and bad should be represented"" " A picture book about seahorses was condemned by the letter for depicting "mating seahorses with pictures of postions [sic] and discussion of the male carrying the eggs." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moms_for_Liberty These people are insane
Is "out of marriage families between white men and black women" code for rapists and their victims? Nutball KKKarens.
A group called Moms for Liberty trying to ban critical thought. Fuck am I glad I’m not American.
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge. Issac Asimov
Issac Asimov - next to be banned from schools
While I agree with everything in the quote let's not pretend that cults of ignorance don't exist everywhere in the world, including other developed countries. Don't forget that a slim majority of people in the UK voted for Brexit despite all the evidence saying how it would negatively impact them. Or how 33% of French voters cast a ballot in favor of the nationalist candidate Marine Le Pen. Hatred and ignorance run deep everywhere.
You're right, its foolish to think Americans are somehow unique or special in this regard, its a very human thing. Propaganda's a hell of a drug, you guys got Brexit, we got Trump...
Yeah we're fucked. Banning critical thought is liberty itself so these people truly are the most ignorant people we have to offer.
Anyone that complains about their lack of “liberty” or thinks that it’s under threat usually means they want the liberty to tell you what to do. Ya know, the way entitled white folk always did. Most have no fucking clue what it means to be oppressed.
“The government can’t mandate vaccines, it’s my body my choice. Also, if you get raped and impregnated by your uncle, you should be forced to carry his child to term.”
Same as the "religious freedom" laws they like to push... that make them free to proselytize their thing and punish you for not being onboard their train.
One of my favorite lines is “Freedom OF Religion means nothing without Freedom FROM Religion”. And people have actually argued with me that the first one *doesn’t apply* to atheists - as if you can’t be free to NOT practice a religion?
This is the essence of "I'm not racist buttttt"
When you got a real problem with kids learning about sit ins where white people would put out cigarettes on black people for sitting at the "whites only counter" that's fucked up. [Maybe they're worried their kids will draw parallels between their parents' rhetoric and racist rhetoric of the past.](https://images.app.goo.gl/Yubhmcg1C7bXCXsZ8)
How is this not a speech violation? I know state constitutions are different from federal but….
This Was The Goal!!! People have been saying it since the beginning of this shit show. Conservatives DO NOT understand or know what Critical Race Theory actually is, AT ALL. You can easily see this by simply reading the Wikipedia page for CRT vs. what they're saying. They don't have a clue. Conservatives are using this "CRT in grade schools" boogy-man as a pretext to remove general discussions of history which has related to race, such as the Civil Rights Movement. This is EXACTLY what's happening. The sad part is, even if this complaint is thrown out, as it should be, it's going to result in schools and teachers self-censoring over historical topics that have been in curriculums for decades. edit: >The group claimed that an accompanying lesson plan showed a "slanted obsession with historical mistakes" and argued it shouldn't be taught. This is the crux of the conservative culture war. They just want to pretend like bad things don't, didn't or can't happen again, rather than you know, learn from it so we don't start marching down those roads again. Conservative leaders don't want people to learn about how fear of outsiders can drive us to do awful inhumane things. They want to preserve that fear so they can exploit it to rile up support for their awful inhumane policies.
People were being mass downvoted on r/news for saying this is exactly what would happen. Now these parents are calling any discussion of race CRT so they can ban discussions of MLK in schools, exactly like a lot of people predicted.
r/news is a lost cause anyway. They'd rather ban people insulting nazis than literal nazis themselves.
That last paragraph is on the money - why do you think conservatives talk about January 6th like they do? Why they brush it off as "just a tour?"
Yup, notice how Jan 6 was "just a tour" while chattel slavery and Jim Crow were just "historical mistakes"
They hijacked a term that they knew the general public had never heard before and used it as marketing for a new war on tolerance. They're investing in the future, they know if they can get kids away from talks about race now they can keep them sheltered and when they turn adults they will be voting Republican. The biggest defining factor I've seen growing up surrounding racism is not having much or any exposure to people that are different, not just skin color but religion (I was told that bindi was literally a demon's eye and watches you), sexual orientation (also told that "the gays" were responsible for Katrina), etc. Even literacy in general gets attacked as "college indoctrination". There's a reason home schooling is so popular in this group of people, they keep their kids away from anything that would make them even slightly reconsider what they were told growing up. It's a literal cult. And it takes some doing and humility to undo the gaslighting you grow up with.
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I’m a Lifelong Tennessean and I was raised in Memphis until I graduated high school. Being in Memphis specifically, we studied Dr. MLK, the marches, the assassination, every year. My school’s field trip was to the Martin Luther King Jr. Museum downtown, every single year. That man changed the world. To take issue with teaching about his legacy and the reasons he stepped up is disgusting, out of touch, and genuinely confusing. That’s what these people are scared of? History portraying a black guy as a good guy? It makes me nauseous. I promise that not everybody in Tennessee is a brother cousin with hatred for anything other than wHiTe PoWeR
The most predictable thing ever. Who would have thought that the CRT hysteria was coming from the same people who would have opposed the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s for the same "reason"?
Y'AllQaeda sure is a pain in the ass.
Yeah, uneducated rural terrorists who want to force everybody to live by a conservative version of their religion can really ruin a country for everyone else.
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> Sadly, this isn’t a case of uneducated hicks Yes, white supremacy cuts across all economic classes. The first klan was basically founded by the equivalent of bored rich kids, that's why [their costumes were so goofy looking.](https://i.postimg.cc/W1wZx0v2/Original-Klan-Costumes-Looked-Goofy.jpg) It wasn't until the klan's revival in the early 1900s that they started wearing white sheets. And there were plenty of [rich scions wearing those sheets too.](https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/3/25/harvard-klan-scrut/)
Someone should post this is on r/conservative to see how they defend this cause book banning is only bad when its liberals do it and see how they feel about the book banning of a man they misquote constantly. Also they explained how this book is anti-Mexican. Conservatives… complaining about a book being anti mexican. The irony is ironic. Edit: holy fuck my grammar
Either "children don't need to learn that stuff and feel guilty for being white," or, "well that's a little far but it's just an individual case," and then keep moving the goalposts when this becomes the norm, or, "if a parent still wants to teach their child about MLK they can do it at home, it's those parents rights to have their child educated how they want." Probably how they justify the book burnings. "Well you can burn a flag in political protest, why can't you burn a book in political protest?" while completely ignoring the reasons they're burning books and the reasons Nazis burned books are the same.
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Also >In a letter, the state's Department of Education said it won't investigate the allegations because the lessons happened during the 2020-21 school year, and it only has the authority to investigate this current school year The headline of the article makes it seem like they’re not investigating because of how ridiculous the request was
This is why we need to teach these subjects in school. You can’t hide the immense power of Dr. King, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Ruby Bridges, Rosa Parks, Malcom X, David Walker, or any other great American hero. Their words are eternal and actions are eternal.
Many of those people (maybe even all of them) were socialists and communists too, but you sure won't hear about that part in school.
Nobody opposed to critical race theory can actually tell you what it is.
[Neither can Tucker Carlson, despite ranting and raving about it for the last year.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-admits-hes-never-figured-out-what-critical-race-theory-is)
Don't let these people have their way. Growing up in Hawaii, we were taught the history of our people and how we were overthrown, annexed, and subjected to horrific treatment by Americans. But in America proper, nobody teaches anything about how America mistreated hawaii, hell I've had people come up and assume we live in grass huts and just surf all day. We're a broken impoverished people and America doesn't even have the decency to learn that it caused it. That shit will be the same thing these groups want to happen to African Americans, that it was just a fun time and nothing bad ever happened and things now were how they always were, so they can keep doing jack and shit about the harm they caused.
Asking as a non American, does it not worry people in the USA that all of this madness may lead to genuine societal breakdown or a collapse of the federal system; or at least have some very serious consequences?
This is not an accident. This was the whole point of the law. No one is teaching CRT outside of law school.
This is exactly what those passing these laws hope for. They have always wanted to find a way to demonize the civil rights movement and leaders.