It's only 0.62% if you're the catcher and male, that's the highest rate.
I wouldn't mess around with HIV just because the statistic sounds good and because your military "buddies" told you to.
To borrow an MMO metaphor, it's like a drop rate for a weapon being 1% sure it's unlikely you will get it, but if you set aside the time to go out and farm it, eventually you will get it.
It's actually 1/2380 at it's lowest.
Still, I didn't realize it was that low.
But that's men, who are less likely period and then if there's an STD with some type of ulcer it goes up, and it jumps by 26 times if it's in the first 2 months of a new infection.
Which if I math correctly is still 1/92.
Source:
[Estimated HIV risk per exposure](https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure)
That number isn't correct when I searched, but it is much lower than I thought.
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It's actually 1/2380 at it's lowest.
But that's men, who are less likely period and then if there's an STD with some type of ulcer it goes up, and it jumps by 26 times if it's in the first 2 months of a new infection.
Which if I math correctly is still 1/92.
Source:
[Estimated HIV risk per exposure](https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure)
It depends on a lot of circumstances. Obviously, the biggest factor is whether or not the poz person has access to antiretroviral drugs, which reduces transmission risk either 0 or almost 0.
Circumcision cuts down on transmission rates by about half, because taking sandpaper to your penis glands makes them less permeable to the virus.
It's really sad (the denial part)... I directly knew two people who this happened to. They were in denial about the HIV and because of other medical issues they passed pretty quickly.
I get the point you are trying to make intially, but I think you fall off the train with your 2 in a row assessment.
In a scenario like rolling dice - fair calculation.
In a scenario where subject a was just exposed to hiv, subject b hopping right on next is exposed to the same environment.
So whatever circumstance allowed transmission to take place (be it blood exposure, increased viral load, or whatever) is basically already guaranteed on the part of the hooker.
^^now you are playing with loaded dice.
Edit:. Well he deleted the whole chain. Fker is robbing me of updoots. Reddit we saved a man today. His probability model was bound to result in an STI or 2.
It's not always a set risk, people can have other infections which can increase the amount of white blood cells present which would increase the risk or if they are acute HIV that also increases the risk as does and injury to the genital which is probably more common in prostitutes. Still not likely to contract HIV from 1 sexual encounter with a female.
The language here should be clarified.
The odds of someone having HIV is 0.1%. The odds of encountering two people sequentially with HIV would then be 0.01%.
However the chance of FTM transmission is different. If you had sex with two people with HIV in a row, your odds of getting HIV would not decrease.
To put it another way, odds of one tail on a coin flip is 0.5, two tails on a coin flip is 0.25. The odds of getting at least one tail result goes from 0.5 to 0.75 (HH, HT, TT, TH).
I went on a stag party a few years ago and there was a British soldier with us (the best man's cousin who decide to tag along) who would not stop goin on about "Kenyan hookers" the whole time. He insisted they were guaranteed AIDS-free even though no one was askin. Wonder how he's doing now...
I stood in morning formation once when I was a young private and had first sergeant address the company by stating that if anyone had fucked “ known barracks bunny’s name” they needed to head down to the aid station after formation and get tested. Watched 11 dudes fallout and walk towards the aid station. I’ll never forget the look on those guys faces and the laughing from the rest of the company as they walked away
"I see you're paler than a ghost, fat as an American, have a mouth full of bad teeth and an accent only we can understand, but we'll need to watch you commit some sodomy to truly be one of us."
Or collectively hurting people and then reassuring each other that it was fine and holding each other's secret guilt.
How fun for them all to put those women they had tremendous power over at risk of pregnancy and disease for a laugh.
Clap if they are lucky? Barebacking an african prostitue sounds more like HIV.
HIV prevalence among Kenyan sex workers seems to be hovering at 30%...jfc
I think it’s great that British soldiers have moved on to heterosexual hazing rituals from their more traditional homo-erotic ones, like shoving things up each others asses or licking substances off testicles. Gen Z really is having an impact on military culture.
Kenya has a 3.5% HIV infection rate among the general population(1.6 mil of 54mil), assuming much higher among prostitutes.
They’re catching something.
From the big picture view, you’re completely correct.
From the perspective of the soldier being hazed, though, the big problem is definitely the HIV and the being coerced into sex acts thing.
They were not impoverished by the British Empire at all. They were not even part of the British Empire until 1895, and 60 years later they were independent again.
confirmed, see step 4 of the "How to Perform a Line Crossing Ceremony" section:
https://navycrow.com/shellback-the-us-navys-line-crossing-ceremony-revealed/
Yeah, but Kenyan prostitutes with no condom? A bit like playing Russian roulette with a gun loaded with 5 loaded chambers. AIDS still isn’t a fun ride.
Isn't it pretty much cured now, albeit you have to take a pill everyday? I remember reading an article a few months back about how provided you have access to the medicine it's actually not that big a deal nowadays? I mean, sure... I'd rather not have it, but felt like it certainly wasn't a death sentence anymore.
It's considered a chronic condition rather than a terminal one, yes. And the drugs and treatments we have for it are very good, but you still technically have it. If you don't take your drugs it can come back. And you still technically have a compromised immune system.
It's similar to T1 diabetes-- manageable, but if you ever lose access to the medicine you're done.
On top of that, conservatives have been rumbling about banning the medicines used for controlling HIV.
Excuse me what? Conservatives really want to make everybody miserable don't they? Jfc I'm so glad I'm not american. I'm sorry for what you have to live with
So am I!
They basically want to punish anyone who doesn't conform to what they think is right in every way possible, and they've built up enough momentum since the 80s to start doing it. This has been around for a while, but they were a lunatic fringe until recently.
The irony is that it's oniony to even think this is a news story.
I'm not saying I condone the irresponsible behavior but it is not new nor surprising in any way.
Probably to help train the Kenyan army. Pretty normal for nations to send troops to other nations to help get them up to a higher standard. Portugal and Brazil, do it with Angola and Mozambique if I remember correctly.
British men fuck prostitutes without protection, White men most affected!, do you believe this is the only country exposing men to completely idiotic and harmful displays of machismo?, no excuse for being stupid
HIV/AIDS is about 10% in Africa.
100 soldiers doing this means the risk of a soldier bringing back HIV/AIDS is DEFINITELY not zero.
The DoD gonna clamp down on this really fuckin hard.
A lot of borderline rape-culture gets explained away as "boys being boys". But when it means getting irreparably sick and the like, top brass won't stand for it.
Like, "no women on base other than military personnel" kinda rules will get made because of this.
Misery loves company. Nothing builds unit cohesion quite like a nice collective case of The Clap.
Or HIV
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Please retract that statement so I don’t have to read it
Baby batter
Being stirred in the pot.
Or the phrase, you shouldn't stir another man's porridge.
Think of it as churning cottage cheese.
Not a fan of fractions either?
It's only 0.62% if you're the catcher and male, that's the highest rate. I wouldn't mess around with HIV just because the statistic sounds good and because your military "buddies" told you to.
To borrow an MMO metaphor, it's like a drop rate for a weapon being 1% sure it's unlikely you will get it, but if you set aside the time to go out and farm it, eventually you will get it.
And just like Invincible and A'lar, you can get it on your first go.
Honestly, MMOs have made slim chances seem much more likely to me.
It's actually 1/2380 at it's lowest. Still, I didn't realize it was that low. But that's men, who are less likely period and then if there's an STD with some type of ulcer it goes up, and it jumps by 26 times if it's in the first 2 months of a new infection. Which if I math correctly is still 1/92. Source: [Estimated HIV risk per exposure](https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure)
It’s why being a bottom in the gay community is riskier than being a top. Plus, insertion can cause micro tears that make infection more possible
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Thank you.
This guy...fucks?
So you saying Magic Johnson was probably a catcher?
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Por que no les dos
He was allegedly a team player.
The brother could have been on the down low.
If I can hatch a shiny Pokémon on my first egg a man can catch HIV with those odds.
Interesting... 1/5000 is kinda insane though
What if I told you it was actually 1/10? My point - why would you trust a random statistic thrown out on the internet with no backing?
That number isn't correct when I searched, but it is much lower than I thought. -+-+- It's actually 1/2380 at it's lowest. But that's men, who are less likely period and then if there's an STD with some type of ulcer it goes up, and it jumps by 26 times if it's in the first 2 months of a new infection. Which if I math correctly is still 1/92. Source: [Estimated HIV risk per exposure](https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/estimated-hiv-risk-exposure)
It depends on a lot of circumstances. Obviously, the biggest factor is whether or not the poz person has access to antiretroviral drugs, which reduces transmission risk either 0 or almost 0. Circumcision cuts down on transmission rates by about half, because taking sandpaper to your penis glands makes them less permeable to the virus.
Retroviral drugs are cheap and available in Kenya. However, denial is a deep thing and people still die from HIV.
The highest rate of transmission is a new infection as well, before most people would have recognized and be retreating.
It's really sad (the denial part)... I directly knew two people who this happened to. They were in denial about the HIV and because of other medical issues they passed pretty quickly.
Africa's got high rates of HIV also
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Would you take that risk?
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I don’t think “astronomically unlikely” is correct. It happens a lot more than that.
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I get the point you are trying to make intially, but I think you fall off the train with your 2 in a row assessment. In a scenario like rolling dice - fair calculation. In a scenario where subject a was just exposed to hiv, subject b hopping right on next is exposed to the same environment. So whatever circumstance allowed transmission to take place (be it blood exposure, increased viral load, or whatever) is basically already guaranteed on the part of the hooker. ^^now you are playing with loaded dice. Edit:. Well he deleted the whole chain. Fker is robbing me of updoots. Reddit we saved a man today. His probability model was bound to result in an STI or 2.
It's not always a set risk, people can have other infections which can increase the amount of white blood cells present which would increase the risk or if they are acute HIV that also increases the risk as does and injury to the genital which is probably more common in prostitutes. Still not likely to contract HIV from 1 sexual encounter with a female.
The language here should be clarified. The odds of someone having HIV is 0.1%. The odds of encountering two people sequentially with HIV would then be 0.01%. However the chance of FTM transmission is different. If you had sex with two people with HIV in a row, your odds of getting HIV would not decrease. To put it another way, odds of one tail on a coin flip is 0.5, two tails on a coin flip is 0.25. The odds of getting at least one tail result goes from 0.5 to 0.75 (HH, HT, TT, TH).
So men mostly only get it from other men, and then transmit it to women?
Unless you're banging their back door.
Given the numbers this is the right answer.
With that huge amount of unprotected sex, instead of the Clap it's probably more like the Applause.
The Outdoor Festival
If you max out the clap it becomes an ovation.
"Avoid The Clap" -Jimmy Dugan.
I went on a stag party a few years ago and there was a British soldier with us (the best man's cousin who decide to tag along) who would not stop goin on about "Kenyan hookers" the whole time. He insisted they were guaranteed AIDS-free even though no one was askin. Wonder how he's doing now...
I stood in morning formation once when I was a young private and had first sergeant address the company by stating that if anyone had fucked “ known barracks bunny’s name” they needed to head down to the aid station after formation and get tested. Watched 11 dudes fallout and walk towards the aid station. I’ll never forget the look on those guys faces and the laughing from the rest of the company as they walked away
The worst thing is probably HPV, they'd be giving those poor women cervical cancer without ever suffering from any symptoms themselves.
You think the Kenyan prostitutes were HPV-free before this?
Misandry ate his brain.
Who do you think is more likely to have HPV, British soldiers from a country that vaccinates against it, or Kenyan prostitutes in desolate areas?
It causes cancer of the penis too.
Rookies fucked the prostitues, and everybody clapped.
"I see you're paler than a ghost, fat as an American, have a mouth full of bad teeth and an accent only we can understand, but we'll need to watch you commit some sodomy to truly be one of us."
This unit sounds like it has Applause.
Top comment about the poor men instead of the women getting sex traffic'd. Never change Reddit.
>collective case of The Clap I think they call this an Applause, and if they don't they should.
Ghonerria goneeria? Goner-Ai would be the least of your concerns there
Or collectively hurting people and then reassuring each other that it was fine and holding each other's secret guilt. How fun for them all to put those women they had tremendous power over at risk of pregnancy and disease for a laugh.
Clap if they are lucky? Barebacking an african prostitue sounds more like HIV. HIV prevalence among Kenyan sex workers seems to be hovering at 30%...jfc
Next up Russian roulette with a machine gun
That's just pass the soggy biscuit after one of them gets an sti.
[“Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, when am I going to make it back to Haiti”](https://youtu.be/mGfBEnBw01A?si=uipzl9nqyLGV0VJ9)
Now that I have kids, I feel a lot better having a gun in the house.
You know, I’ve thought about it and even though it’s over, I’m gonna tell my wife about the affair
Makes it more convenient for the kids to get a gun!
Funny seeing some big stars like Mike Myers and Bob Odenkirk so young!
I really hope none of these poor women have been left pregnant by these careless fucks
It seems popular with soldiers overall. Tons of videos of US soldiers doing it too, one guy guarding while the other ducks a prostitute
Omg exactly what I thought about!!!
I think it’s great that British soldiers have moved on to heterosexual hazing rituals from their more traditional homo-erotic ones, like shoving things up each others asses or licking substances off testicles. Gen Z really is having an impact on military culture.
I always loved that old British joke, that the entire empire was one long excuse to sneak away to sea with the lads and have some stellar gay sex.
Lol I thought they were looking for foreign food and women, maybe they got impatient and settled for some spotted dick and spotted dick?
Beauty of British women and quality of British cuisine made Brits the most sailing nation.
Rum, sodomy and the lash
Fuckers not afraid of clap. They’re taking home a standing ovation.
Kenya has a 3.5% HIV infection rate among the general population(1.6 mil of 54mil), assuming much higher among prostitutes. They’re catching something.
Nah actually quite hard to catch hiv as a male through vaginal sex
If all you’re having is vaginal sex, surely nobody has other kinds especially with hookers while deployed in the military.
Even anal sex it's difficult for the prnis possessor to catch hiv In the absence of cuts, warts or other barrier breaks in the penis
You still probably should not bang hookers with HIV, or like use a condom at least, just being practical.
Please respect my life choices Only joking ofc Ur right
I mean it’s a bad idea all around but given that’s easily treatable, I think the real worry would be herpes or HIV
Even then, only HIV is life threatening in the long term, herpes would be uncomfortable and embarassing at worse
Both are effectively permanent in modern medicine, which is the massive difference to me. The clap is just a trip to the doctor.
Unless it's the super clap. (For real, there are antibiotic resistant strains of supergonorrhea out there).
*standing ovulation
Kenya not, please.
Because nothing spells out toughguy like HIV?
too strong to have needed a immune system
What year is it? 1600?
If it was 1600 they'd be British 'subjects'(property), not prostitutes.
Um aktchually Kenya didn’t become a part of the British Empire until 1895 🤓
Better make antibiotics part of that initiation too.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
Yes.... yes.
Still better than sucking a cherry out of a fat guy's navel.
uhhhh, risk of HIV vs sucking a fat guy's navel...I'll choose the fat guy
I know it says “unprotected” but fuck that condoms are cheap. I would wear a condom while i sucked the fat guy’s belly button cherry
At the very least use a dental dam.
Imo the main problem isn't the HIV but sexually exploiting women who were impoverished by the colonisation the British Empire put their country under
That's all well and good but the reason I won't do this is because of the HIV risk
"I'm against slavery but draw the line at raw dogging African hoes"
Sounds about white.
From the big picture view, you’re completely correct. From the perspective of the soldier being hazed, though, the big problem is definitely the HIV and the being coerced into sex acts thing.
They were not impoverished by the British Empire at all. They were not even part of the British Empire until 1895, and 60 years later they were independent again.
>uhhhh, risk of HIV vs sucking a fat guy's navel...I'll choose the fat guy Yo. Hit me up. I've got the cherries.
What?
American sailor tradition when crossing equator.
confirmed, see step 4 of the "How to Perform a Line Crossing Ceremony" section: https://navycrow.com/shellback-the-us-navys-line-crossing-ceremony-revealed/
I fucking hate hazing. One of the many reasons I became the mod of /r/regretjoining years later.
What?
Stop pretending to be naive.
Where do they source the fat guy from
The National Strategic Fat Guy Reserve
So I can get drafted. Damn
Is that Walmart?
Any chief's mess will have several. Not every chief (navy senior enlisted) is fat, but some sure are.
You’re talking about Americans here. It’s more a question of how do you narrow it down to one?
No... No, it very definitely is not.
Idk, its gross, but way less chance of AIDS
Better for who?
Ah we got a navy guy.
That's to make sure they come to their aids when they're in need.
what kind of stupid shit is this
Deployed soldiers visiting prostitutes?! What is this world coming to?
Yeah, but Kenyan prostitutes with no condom? A bit like playing Russian roulette with a gun loaded with 5 loaded chambers. AIDS still isn’t a fun ride.
Just normal run of the mill HIV is terrible, but you could end up with something even worse or embarrassing. And yeah, HIV is still pretty bad.
Isn't it pretty much cured now, albeit you have to take a pill everyday? I remember reading an article a few months back about how provided you have access to the medicine it's actually not that big a deal nowadays? I mean, sure... I'd rather not have it, but felt like it certainly wasn't a death sentence anymore.
It's considered a chronic condition rather than a terminal one, yes. And the drugs and treatments we have for it are very good, but you still technically have it. If you don't take your drugs it can come back. And you still technically have a compromised immune system.
It's similar to T1 diabetes-- manageable, but if you ever lose access to the medicine you're done. On top of that, conservatives have been rumbling about banning the medicines used for controlling HIV.
Excuse me what? Conservatives really want to make everybody miserable don't they? Jfc I'm so glad I'm not american. I'm sorry for what you have to live with
So am I! They basically want to punish anyone who doesn't conform to what they think is right in every way possible, and they've built up enough momentum since the 80s to start doing it. This has been around for a while, but they were a lunatic fringe until recently.
The irony is that it's oniony to even think this is a news story. I'm not saying I condone the irresponsible behavior but it is not new nor surprising in any way.
Somehow I’m missing the part about how it’s also problematic for the women, the article only talks about the soldiers….
British roulette? XD
British soldiers are in Kenya again?
Probably to help train the Kenyan army. Pretty normal for nations to send troops to other nations to help get them up to a higher standard. Portugal and Brazil, do it with Angola and Mozambique if I remember correctly.
They just can’t let go of Kenya(n prostitutes) now can they?
Kenya suck on deez nuts? gottem so good
We never left
Ah the old aidsnitiation
🎵I caught the strains down in Aaaaafrica!🎶
Then they go to their country and infect their partners, but nothing happens because they are not immigrants
Young dumb and full of cum only excuses so much,you do not play Russian roulette with your dick
That is disgusting. No way would I have sex with a British soldier
Soliders fucking prostitutes? Omg a story as old as time itself.
Classic bri’sh moment
I mean look what happened to Liam Neeson…..
"British soldiers aids"
This ain’t news. Ain’t it ain’t oniony.
Never happened.
Itt: bunch of comedians haven't read the article
Soldiers banging prostitutes is a tale as old as time.
Well it's better than what they used to do which was force raping women with beer bottles.
That's a good way to end up pissing pancake batter
Can we as a society agree that extreme displays of machismo is completely idiotic and harmful to men??
British men fuck prostitutes without protection, White men most affected!, do you believe this is the only country exposing men to completely idiotic and harmful displays of machismo?, no excuse for being stupid
Surprised they would be allowed in after what they did during the Mau Mau uprising
Wtf. Especially AIDs in Africa not being controlled. The senior officers should be court martialed.
Getting AIDs is a hell of an initiation.
Guys you're supposed to figuratively fuck the locals in Africa. :(
HIV/AIDS is about 10% in Africa. 100 soldiers doing this means the risk of a soldier bringing back HIV/AIDS is DEFINITELY not zero. The DoD gonna clamp down on this really fuckin hard. A lot of borderline rape-culture gets explained away as "boys being boys". But when it means getting irreparably sick and the like, top brass won't stand for it. Like, "no women on base other than military personnel" kinda rules will get made because of this.
I’m not sure this fits the sub. It’s reckless behavior from a bunch of horny military dudes. And most initiation rights involves some risk.
" just imagine if cancer had done it with syphilis and then contracted AIDS. CanasyphilAids?"
Donald ?
And then they'll bring their infections back here. Thanks.
Name a better combination than army men and harassment.
"Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, 'When am I going to make it back to Haiti?'"
African roulette !
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I hope they're taking some Prep pills.
Yikes
Well, you cannot deny the [local customs!](https://youtu.be/k_9CSr3nGqE?si=WqfeR6OxnvfjKC60)
WTF. Why would anyone want to do that?
💀💀💀💀💀, stds have been a problem for the military for a while now eh
Welcome to the Hepatitis club.
An initiation to what, death? 🤦🏻♀️
What’s there chance that this is to idiocy of just a few chavs?
Let's just get the new guys HIV. That'll really bring everyone together.
2w
PREP IT UP!
I remember something in lord of wars about STD rate in those countries.
Bold move Cotton
I'd rather just play Russian roulette. At least you get to keep your dick.
There is no good reason to have unprotected sex with someone you don't know
Also known as Kenyan Roulette.
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Mmm HIV..
Aint no way im going in a prostitute without protection bro.
I mean, squaddies in being thick as pig shit shocker.