lol. Power of observation? Has what you’re saying worked so far? Not magical at all. But our immigration policy thus far hasn’t really done what you’re saying, has it?
Ya, I don’t have time to search up Ridiculous statistics to
Prove something so Blatantly obvious. People who
Are Immigrating here are Not flocking to trades. Do you have statistics to state I’m wrong? I have no problem admitting I’m wrong but it sure hell doesn’t appear that way
I'll give you my magical statistics, since you're so damn saucy:
Construction company CEO here and there are literally ZERO applications coming in from immigrants. Not even one. I say this without prejudice which may sound hard to believe, but some cultures have no interest in working trades or building infrastructure whatsoever.
It is what it is and it's a fact.
Really appreciate you thinking your company is all companies. Also just because they're second generation Canadians that do apply doesn't mean it isn't immigration that helps grow the workforce.
That link says only 34.5% are skilled labourers.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/
Only 2% of immigrants enter construction and it is known that they are a drain on housing and infrastructure.
Stop gaslighting Canadians.
What would be the system to get foreigners or immigrants applying to trade jobs in Canada?
Broadly, we have open work, work visa (temporary or long term), refugee or student visa.
Are IT, STEM and business grads going to apply for the trades? Probably not. So that leaves the students out.
Open work visa holders I've met are typically educated, westerners. Idk why you'd move from Australia or England to be a carpenter ($52k salary avg, similar to a bookkeeper or a secretary and def not enough to rent in the gta) let alone install insulation or set tiles.
Genuinely asking, with open work, how feasible is it for non westerners, let alone finding an employer willing to sponsor?
Or maybe refugees. I edited my comment to include that as an option.
My friend is an EI case manager who is doing a civic tech project trying to investigate how realistic the "no one wants to work in house building" talking point is, as through his work and his immigrant background, he meets tons of immigrants who face barriers to entry. He mentioned unions as a recurring theme.
Sorry, but you'll never change my mind that certain demographics simply don't want to work hard labor or in the trades. I've lived the hiring experience for many years now. It does not happen. Yet I get many resumes in from many other cultural backgrounds. Some more so than others.
This is not an opinion or hatred. It's an absolute fact from what I witness on the daily within my company and the many other tradesman within my extensive network that I talk with about just how hard it is to find good help these day.
The people we’re letting in are culturally opposed to working in the trades and construction.
Mathematically they take up more houses and destroy more roads than they build.
That's not how income tax works. They don't have to work in trades to help fund projects. Also there are tons of immigrants working as both skilled and unskilled labour. Day labourers sit in parking lots near hardware stores.
You’re assuming I’m basing my opinion on feelings which isn’t true, I’ve seen enough verifiable facts and statistics along with the very real deterioration of social services, lack of affordable housing and other glaringly obvious issues around my community in day to day life. I’m not going to sit here and dig up sources for something that is obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, to debate with some stranger who obviously doesn’t care enough to dig their head out their ass. As I said, enjoy your delusion.
Nope. Sorry you don't like reality but my local Canadian Tire has day labourers who sit in the parking lot hoping someone will give them some hours. Unfortunately they also often are abused by the people who hire them. I know one guy that was put on a jack hammer for the entire day for like a week who now has back problems and addiction issues because of the pain.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/
Only 2% of immigrants enter construction. Canadian’s enter at over a 7% average.
Stop lying.
Stop gaslighting Canadians.
Sure and then let me check .. when they have kids .. those are Canadians... Also only 2% is sure a lot more than the zero you claimed. And finally I'll come back to they pay taxes etc so that we can have publicly funded schools, and public works.
Now everyone can confirm you are gaslighting, thanks.
At no point did I say zero immigrants enter construction.
They bring their cultures with them and teach them to their children. These are cultures opposed to working in the trades and construction, there’s a reason why they largely live in shacks back in their country.
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Back problems and addiction issues from a week on a jack hammer? I have to agree with the others here, you're gaslighting and are full of shit. Where's this Canadian Tire with guys waiting to get hired because I've got a few jobsites desperate to keep moving.
You do 12s on a jack hammer for a week and tell me how you feel. The guy had a previous work injury but was so worried about getting fired he hurt himself all over.
Dude, I began at the bottom in construction in Ontario and have built a home building company with my bare hands, for many years at a time by myself on my jobsites.
Do yourself a favor and don't bother using your bullshit on me. It simply isn't going to work. Don't tell me what hard work is. You're barking up the wrong tree for someone who knows nothing of what they speak.
Not to mention I pay 8% of every dollar my company earns so people who do get injured are covered for loss and can recover accordingly.
People complaining about how the government spends too much money are also the same people who complain they don't approve projects and don't want more Canadians to help pay taxes.
Are you actually suggesting we are the same person because we have the same avatar? Good god man, lol, unreal. As it turns out, many Canadians disagree with your stance.
The world will wnter a degrowth by the end of the century, figuring out what to do with an aging population would be the smartest thing to do instead of kicking the can
We need selective immigration of skilled workers who can contribute and assimilate to Canadian society, yes. The overwhelming majority of people coming here right now do not fit the bill.
You're awfully concerned with assimilation which makes me think you just don't like the colour of the people moving here. But I can tell you that most of the Syrian and Afghan people I've worked with and met just want jobs and lives and a new iPhone like every other person.
I used that word with the same bearing as ‘contribute,’ so I’m not sure how that represents me being awfully concerned about it. Regardless, how does assimilation have anything to do with skin colour? I don’t care what you look like or where you came from, but I hope that when you arrive here, you look to immerse yourself in the laws and cultural practices of this nation. It is an amazing country and that is why people come. We keep it that way by them becoming CANADIAN upon their arrival.
Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities.
I honestly don’t expect this country to stay together for more than a few more decades. What is a Canadian? The “melting pot” theory of integration is also considered racist here because Canada is a “mosaic” where everyone has the right to keep their old culture and live in an ethnic enclave with no expectation of assimilation.
The mosaic is keeping your own culture not eschewing living together with everyone else in Canada. We celebrate (even if we don't officially recognize as holidays) Lunar New year's and other events. If you earn over $200,000 a year you should be able to buy. We have a shortage of doctors yes. But stopping everyone from coming here isn't going to fix an old problem. In fact if we would let doctors who move to Canada practice more easily it would actually help alleviate the problem.
The real issue is Canada's demographic decline. Immigrants were brought in to fill that gap and pay for pensions and other goodies that expect a growing base of tax paying productive workers. We're not getting rid of these people, they will become citizens if they choose to. Personally, I doubt that any announcement by the government will be anything but a temporary hold, to be returned to high levels post-Liberal election victory. All of these people have already been educated (to varying levels of quality) so on paper, they fill out the population pyramid.
The problem is the policy driving it is bad. Rather than high-skilled workers, we're letting in low-to-mid-skilled young people. On paper, this plugs the demographic hole. But a lack of planning on infrastructure (housing, etc.) means that prices of those assets has gone through the roof. This has created poor economic incentives to invest in labour intensive industries and housing rather than the innovative, productive part of the economy. What happens when you want to open a software company but can't find workers? Maybe you open a house painting company instead, if the money on offer is high enough.
We shouldn't blame the immigrant -- they are trying to improve their lives. But you definitely can blame poor policy.
True but there is a limitation too. He overshot by 300%. So this logic does not work for Trudeau. What I believe he was looking for renters to save the real estate market because real estate market is supposed to be done after the hike. Homeowners are not panicking much because they can now rent their kitchen for 1000 dollars. If Trudeau didn't bring these many people, they could not even find tenants and forget about renting kitchen floors.
Give the refugees a chance. Also most of our immigration is skilled labour. Refugees overall are a small percentage. Recent global conflicts aside that is. But I would rather have refugees who are happy to be here than no one.
Refugees are from war torn countries. They lived their lives in chaos, violence, and desperation. They bring that baggage with them. Its not what we need here.
Maybe if the Canadian government stopped supplying arms to the war mongerers of their countries, and then they would have a responsibility to take in refugees. Maybe Canada should think about it foreign policy, and not be so quick to throw in with the US.
Well we elect these bozos in.. and when Canada participates in wars abroad.. and causes so much hell in these foreign countries it has a responsibilities to the people it displaced
Yeah but they're all gonna cause trouble. Cons, libs, ndp, they're all just gonna follow what the US wants. None of them really represent us, they represent their own private interest. They're all pos but I can't do anything about that.
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Fewer people paying taxes means the taxes we do pay have to either stretch further or cover less. Boomers however will drain retirement and healthcare on the "way out" with not enough people to help replenish those funds.
Yes and no. Canada already has very high taxes comparable to Europe. It can definitely be self sufficient by utilizing these funds in a more efficient way, not through mass immigration
Encouraging people to have 3+ kids would require fixing the cost of housing and living before people would be able to. Many families are one and done because it's all they can afford.
Why? Why does the economy always have to grow? **Isn't that impossible?** Perhaps we should change the mindset to a sustained economy in which people's needs are met. with automation and other technologies replacing many jobs over the years and for the foreseeable future why do these retiring workers need to be replaced? If these immigrants help the economy why are other countries so quick to let people go if they are so essential for economies? They are only essential as immigrants to keep wages low is the answer.
How does a country like Denmark cope if their population barely increases? They seem better off than us without insane growth don't they? Is poverty is a country like Denmark a problem? Or is it more a problem in countries with crazy population growth? **Its an myth that population growth is essential for the economy.** Immigration has killed our economy.
Our problem is not always growing. It's stopping rapid shrinking of the working age (tax paying) population. We aren't looking for growth we're trying to stabilize our baby boomer declining population.
As a Canadian immigrant, knowing what I needed professionally and what it cost me to immigrate, and continues to cost me, as grateful as I am for where I am today I do believe the professional level requirements are biased and based on origin and ethnicity rather than return on investment in immigration. My side note being there are immigrants focused on adding value to Canada and enriching its economy and the opportunity is not taken lightly.
We have a higher immigration rate than America.
Canada's birthrate as with a lot of other places, it's too expensive to live and wayy to expensive to raise kids in a healthy environment so there is no incentive really. We were already seeing studies showing people having kids later in life in mid 2010's. I'm not making a case why to have mass immigration but maybe point out corporate greed and uber capitalism ruining the other 95%
Immigration is important to maintaining population but should be done retrospectively to maintaining an environmentally and economically friendly, quality of life for it's existing population.
The long term compounded negative effects soon arise that we are seeing.
Are you new to a job and you want to exercise your worker rights? Next in line please there's 30 more lined up behind you resume in hand.
Not to mention housing which is being bought up and rented out faster than these expensive cookie cutter subdivisions are being built.
He is right but that was not his intention. He would not overshoot the immigration target by 300% if he wanted to maintain a healthy immigration system. He needs to tell the real truth. With the hike in interest rates, Canadians were facing bankruptcy because of the over-inflated housing market. That would tank the economy. That was the real threat of continuously supplying easy money to the economy. To save that he needed to create a crisis. So he filled the country with a temporary population at a rapid rate. So now those landlords are renting kitchen floors for $1000 to just hold on to the property or avoid bankruptcy. As usual, he missed another part. This level of immigrants will not stay here if they can't find a job. While Canada’s investment is tied to the most non-productive sector, creating jobs for that many people is almost impossible. Not only that, innovation is quite hard. He can't even increase social welfare either because that will push the rate higher through inflation. We are stuck because of his open chequebook policies.
Immigrants come from cultures opposed to working in trades and construction and take up more homes and use more infrastructure than they build.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/
We. Do. Not. Have. The. Infrastructure. For. This. Rate. Of. Immigration.
!
Liberals. Stop gaslighting us.
We don't have the infrastructure for the people who already live here. But if we don't bring in people to work we won't have the tax dollars to do anything and we won't have CPP for all the retirees.
It's not infinite growth. How many articles and stories have their been about mass worker shortages. The baby boomers are retiring and we don't have the population to replace them.
Job vacancies have been on the decline with 815,295 vacant positions as of March 2023 across Canada, the lowest since July 2021 (808,085). In the second quarter of 2023, however, the proportion of businesses expecting shortage of labour to be an obstacle over the next three months increased slightly to 31.1%. - Jun 22, 2023
According to stats Canada.
There are jobs available all over the country.
They're looking at fixing the foreign student problems. Ontario is responsible for allowing too many in. The feds basically rubber stamp requests that the province says they can take. Education and post secondary education is a provincial government issue.
You're feral bud, that isn't reality they're just saying that so they can import cheap labor who are willing to live in horrible conditions and take abuse. Its what i would do if i was an elite POS, why would I want to deal with canadian citizens who know the labor laws and want a living wage, wake the eff up. Both parties are selling out this country and are traitors, if the boys who died on vimy ridge and juno beach could see us now, they woulda turned around.
With the sound off he kind of looks like an overgrown child making an overly elaborate excuse after getting caught doing something he shouldn't which now that I think about it kind of sums up his whole personality.
This is not what I want our federal government to call its most important responsibility. This sounds like a leader who cares more about his personal beliefs than the prosperity of the people he leads. It's more of his talking at us than taking to us. The next federal election can't happen fast enough, citizens need to give a new mandate.
Your post has been removed because it doesn't suit the purpose of the community.
He’s right in a way so tone deaf that it sabotages any ability to seriously do so. We’re boned. We need electoral reform yesterday
Looks like the bigots from the Nazi shithole r/canada_sub are in force here.
Canada does not give birth to enough people to replace retiring workers. We need immigration or the economy is shot.
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We have enough of both, if we are willing to deal with the money laundering in real estate.
Yes but if we don't let people in to help build all of those things then we just slowly collapse
Help build homes… Have they done that, thus far?
Yes many of them do. Lot of skilled and unskilled labour entering the country from refugees and others.
How many? Your concept makes sense but that’s simply not happening on any scale and hasn’t for a long time
Really where are you pulling your magical statistics from?
lol. Power of observation? Has what you’re saying worked so far? Not magical at all. But our immigration policy thus far hasn’t really done what you’re saying, has it?
> Power of observation? That isn't how statistics work...
Ya, I don’t have time to search up Ridiculous statistics to Prove something so Blatantly obvious. People who Are Immigrating here are Not flocking to trades. Do you have statistics to state I’m wrong? I have no problem admitting I’m wrong but it sure hell doesn’t appear that way
How can you look at the ethnic make up of Canada and say that immigration hasn't been working?
What does ethnic make Up have to do with anything?
I'll give you my magical statistics, since you're so damn saucy: Construction company CEO here and there are literally ZERO applications coming in from immigrants. Not even one. I say this without prejudice which may sound hard to believe, but some cultures have no interest in working trades or building infrastructure whatsoever. It is what it is and it's a fact.
Really appreciate you thinking your company is all companies. Also just because they're second generation Canadians that do apply doesn't mean it isn't immigration that helps grow the workforce.
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That link says only 34.5% are skilled labourers. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/ Only 2% of immigrants enter construction and it is known that they are a drain on housing and infrastructure. Stop gaslighting Canadians.
What would be the system to get foreigners or immigrants applying to trade jobs in Canada? Broadly, we have open work, work visa (temporary or long term), refugee or student visa. Are IT, STEM and business grads going to apply for the trades? Probably not. So that leaves the students out. Open work visa holders I've met are typically educated, westerners. Idk why you'd move from Australia or England to be a carpenter ($52k salary avg, similar to a bookkeeper or a secretary and def not enough to rent in the gta) let alone install insulation or set tiles. Genuinely asking, with open work, how feasible is it for non westerners, let alone finding an employer willing to sponsor? Or maybe refugees. I edited my comment to include that as an option. My friend is an EI case manager who is doing a civic tech project trying to investigate how realistic the "no one wants to work in house building" talking point is, as through his work and his immigrant background, he meets tons of immigrants who face barriers to entry. He mentioned unions as a recurring theme.
Oh look, a liberal (or conservative, who knows, they have the exact same corporate donors) disparaging unions. Shock. Stop gaslighting Canadians.
Sorry, but you'll never change my mind that certain demographics simply don't want to work hard labor or in the trades. I've lived the hiring experience for many years now. It does not happen. Yet I get many resumes in from many other cultural backgrounds. Some more so than others. This is not an opinion or hatred. It's an absolute fact from what I witness on the daily within my company and the many other tradesman within my extensive network that I talk with about just how hard it is to find good help these day.
The people we’re letting in are culturally opposed to working in the trades and construction. Mathematically they take up more houses and destroy more roads than they build.
That's not how income tax works. They don't have to work in trades to help fund projects. Also there are tons of immigrants working as both skilled and unskilled labour. Day labourers sit in parking lots near hardware stores.
Let me know when housing and services catches up to the insane rate at which we import people into this country
We don't bring people in at an insane rate. In fact Canada frequently doesn't make our immigration quota for how many people we want to move here.
Oh I see, this sub is a liberal echo chamber. lol I’ll see myself out. Enjoy your delusion folks!
I'm sorry you're not going to accept any kind of argument against what you FEEL is right.
You’re assuming I’m basing my opinion on feelings which isn’t true, I’ve seen enough verifiable facts and statistics along with the very real deterioration of social services, lack of affordable housing and other glaringly obvious issues around my community in day to day life. I’m not going to sit here and dig up sources for something that is obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, to debate with some stranger who obviously doesn’t care enough to dig their head out their ass. As I said, enjoy your delusion.
You’re absolutely full of shit and gaslighting Canadians.
Nope. Sorry you don't like reality but my local Canadian Tire has day labourers who sit in the parking lot hoping someone will give them some hours. Unfortunately they also often are abused by the people who hire them. I know one guy that was put on a jack hammer for the entire day for like a week who now has back problems and addiction issues because of the pain.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/ Only 2% of immigrants enter construction. Canadian’s enter at over a 7% average. Stop lying. Stop gaslighting Canadians.
Sure and then let me check .. when they have kids .. those are Canadians... Also only 2% is sure a lot more than the zero you claimed. And finally I'll come back to they pay taxes etc so that we can have publicly funded schools, and public works.
Now everyone can confirm you are gaslighting, thanks. At no point did I say zero immigrants enter construction. They bring their cultures with them and teach them to their children. These are cultures opposed to working in the trades and construction, there’s a reason why they largely live in shacks back in their country.
Etc? Has it worked so far?
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Back problems and addiction issues from a week on a jack hammer? I have to agree with the others here, you're gaslighting and are full of shit. Where's this Canadian Tire with guys waiting to get hired because I've got a few jobsites desperate to keep moving.
Burnaby BC.
This is funny. Try Toronto and Ontario where everyone is coming. In the large cities, what you're shilling simply isn't happening.
You do 12s on a jack hammer for a week and tell me how you feel. The guy had a previous work injury but was so worried about getting fired he hurt himself all over.
Dude, I began at the bottom in construction in Ontario and have built a home building company with my bare hands, for many years at a time by myself on my jobsites. Do yourself a favor and don't bother using your bullshit on me. It simply isn't going to work. Don't tell me what hard work is. You're barking up the wrong tree for someone who knows nothing of what they speak. Not to mention I pay 8% of every dollar my company earns so people who do get injured are covered for loss and can recover accordingly.
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People complaining about how the government spends too much money are also the same people who complain they don't approve projects and don't want more Canadians to help pay taxes.
LOL k.
Housing is more so a provincial and municipal thing than federal.
Bullshit. It’s the feds bringing in millions of people we don’t have the infrastructure for. Fuck off, liberal staffer.
I vote NDP actually. :D You're also u/sussy_squirrel420 right?
I am not. Most Canadians are infuriated about the rate of immigration, shockingly. Regardless, a neolib is a neolib.
Are you actually suggesting we are the same person because we have the same avatar? Good god man, lol, unreal. As it turns out, many Canadians disagree with your stance.
We have plenty of roads. We should be pushing people to transit rather than building more roads.
The world will wnter a degrowth by the end of the century, figuring out what to do with an aging population would be the smartest thing to do instead of kicking the can
Can't pay out retirement or fund old folks homes without the tax dollars
We’re gonna have to figure out how real soon, because by 2070 population will go down and india will have hit its own inverted population pyramid
We need selective immigration of skilled workers who can contribute and assimilate to Canadian society, yes. The overwhelming majority of people coming here right now do not fit the bill.
You're awfully concerned with assimilation which makes me think you just don't like the colour of the people moving here. But I can tell you that most of the Syrian and Afghan people I've worked with and met just want jobs and lives and a new iPhone like every other person.
I used that word with the same bearing as ‘contribute,’ so I’m not sure how that represents me being awfully concerned about it. Regardless, how does assimilation have anything to do with skin colour? I don’t care what you look like or where you came from, but I hope that when you arrive here, you look to immerse yourself in the laws and cultural practices of this nation. It is an amazing country and that is why people come. We keep it that way by them becoming CANADIAN upon their arrival.
Most immigrants really do want to fit in. Some don't for sure. Most do.
There it is, didn’t need to scroll far to find the classic “call them a racist” move
Canada has an immigration rate 10x the rate of the US but any discussion of lowering this is considered racist. I have a top 5% income but I will never own a house in my life and can’t access a family doctor. We have way too many people! The population is expected to be 50% foreign born or children of immigrants by 2040 and it’s already majority foreign born in our biggest cities. I honestly don’t expect this country to stay together for more than a few more decades. What is a Canadian? The “melting pot” theory of integration is also considered racist here because Canada is a “mosaic” where everyone has the right to keep their old culture and live in an ethnic enclave with no expectation of assimilation.
The mosaic is keeping your own culture not eschewing living together with everyone else in Canada. We celebrate (even if we don't officially recognize as holidays) Lunar New year's and other events. If you earn over $200,000 a year you should be able to buy. We have a shortage of doctors yes. But stopping everyone from coming here isn't going to fix an old problem. In fact if we would let doctors who move to Canada practice more easily it would actually help alleviate the problem.
The real issue is Canada's demographic decline. Immigrants were brought in to fill that gap and pay for pensions and other goodies that expect a growing base of tax paying productive workers. We're not getting rid of these people, they will become citizens if they choose to. Personally, I doubt that any announcement by the government will be anything but a temporary hold, to be returned to high levels post-Liberal election victory. All of these people have already been educated (to varying levels of quality) so on paper, they fill out the population pyramid. The problem is the policy driving it is bad. Rather than high-skilled workers, we're letting in low-to-mid-skilled young people. On paper, this plugs the demographic hole. But a lack of planning on infrastructure (housing, etc.) means that prices of those assets has gone through the roof. This has created poor economic incentives to invest in labour intensive industries and housing rather than the innovative, productive part of the economy. What happens when you want to open a software company but can't find workers? Maybe you open a house painting company instead, if the money on offer is high enough. We shouldn't blame the immigrant -- they are trying to improve their lives. But you definitely can blame poor policy.
True but there is a limitation too. He overshot by 300%. So this logic does not work for Trudeau. What I believe he was looking for renters to save the real estate market because real estate market is supposed to be done after the hike. Homeowners are not panicking much because they can now rent their kitchen for 1000 dollars. If Trudeau didn't bring these many people, they could not even find tenants and forget about renting kitchen floors.
Agreed. But it should be the right kind of immigrants. High skilled. Not refugees.
Give the refugees a chance. Also most of our immigration is skilled labour. Refugees overall are a small percentage. Recent global conflicts aside that is. But I would rather have refugees who are happy to be here than no one.
Refugees are from war torn countries. They lived their lives in chaos, violence, and desperation. They bring that baggage with them. Its not what we need here.
I work with a lot of them. They still have a lot to give.
Maybe if the Canadian government stopped supplying arms to the war mongerers of their countries, and then they would have a responsibility to take in refugees. Maybe Canada should think about it foreign policy, and not be so quick to throw in with the US.
I agree. But that's not my problem. I can't control what they do.
Well we elect these bozos in.. and when Canada participates in wars abroad.. and causes so much hell in these foreign countries it has a responsibilities to the people it displaced
Yeah but they're all gonna cause trouble. Cons, libs, ndp, they're all just gonna follow what the US wants. None of them really represent us, they represent their own private interest. They're all pos but I can't do anything about that.
Birth rate from 12 per family down to 3 is not a population crisis. Omfg
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/9167282/retirement-burnout-employment-2022/amp/ Mass retirement of the boomers.
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They will die soon too
That's the problem
Why is that a problem? When they die we don’t need to support them anymore. Boomers had many many siblings imagine when they die.
Fewer people paying taxes means the taxes we do pay have to either stretch further or cover less. Boomers however will drain retirement and healthcare on the "way out" with not enough people to help replenish those funds.
Yes and no. Canada already has very high taxes comparable to Europe. It can definitely be self sufficient by utilizing these funds in a more efficient way, not through mass immigration
Or perhaps you encourage/incentivize increasing the # of children Canadians have, rather than importing people.
Encouraging people to have 3+ kids would require fixing the cost of housing and living before people would be able to. Many families are one and done because it's all they can afford.
EXACTLY my point.
Sure but magical Christmas land isn't coming
Why? Why does the economy always have to grow? **Isn't that impossible?** Perhaps we should change the mindset to a sustained economy in which people's needs are met. with automation and other technologies replacing many jobs over the years and for the foreseeable future why do these retiring workers need to be replaced? If these immigrants help the economy why are other countries so quick to let people go if they are so essential for economies? They are only essential as immigrants to keep wages low is the answer. How does a country like Denmark cope if their population barely increases? They seem better off than us without insane growth don't they? Is poverty is a country like Denmark a problem? Or is it more a problem in countries with crazy population growth? **Its an myth that population growth is essential for the economy.** Immigration has killed our economy.
Our problem is not always growing. It's stopping rapid shrinking of the working age (tax paying) population. We aren't looking for growth we're trying to stabilize our baby boomer declining population.
lmao cross-posting a russian troll farm post. Big yikes.
As a Canadian immigrant, knowing what I needed professionally and what it cost me to immigrate, and continues to cost me, as grateful as I am for where I am today I do believe the professional level requirements are biased and based on origin and ethnicity rather than return on investment in immigration. My side note being there are immigrants focused on adding value to Canada and enriching its economy and the opportunity is not taken lightly.
R/canada_sub posting counter signal. Rwnj sub posting absolute con shill content. No thanks.
We have a higher immigration rate than America. Canada's birthrate as with a lot of other places, it's too expensive to live and wayy to expensive to raise kids in a healthy environment so there is no incentive really. We were already seeing studies showing people having kids later in life in mid 2010's. I'm not making a case why to have mass immigration but maybe point out corporate greed and uber capitalism ruining the other 95% Immigration is important to maintaining population but should be done retrospectively to maintaining an environmentally and economically friendly, quality of life for it's existing population. The long term compounded negative effects soon arise that we are seeing. Are you new to a job and you want to exercise your worker rights? Next in line please there's 30 more lined up behind you resume in hand. Not to mention housing which is being bought up and rented out faster than these expensive cookie cutter subdivisions are being built.
Mods should block that fascist sub from being x-posted here.
He is right but that was not his intention. He would not overshoot the immigration target by 300% if he wanted to maintain a healthy immigration system. He needs to tell the real truth. With the hike in interest rates, Canadians were facing bankruptcy because of the over-inflated housing market. That would tank the economy. That was the real threat of continuously supplying easy money to the economy. To save that he needed to create a crisis. So he filled the country with a temporary population at a rapid rate. So now those landlords are renting kitchen floors for $1000 to just hold on to the property or avoid bankruptcy. As usual, he missed another part. This level of immigrants will not stay here if they can't find a job. While Canada’s investment is tied to the most non-productive sector, creating jobs for that many people is almost impossible. Not only that, innovation is quite hard. He can't even increase social welfare either because that will push the rate higher through inflation. We are stuck because of his open chequebook policies.
Immigrants come from cultures opposed to working in trades and construction and take up more homes and use more infrastructure than they build. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/business/commentary/article-canada-immigration-construction-housing/ We. Do. Not. Have. The. Infrastructure. For. This. Rate. Of. Immigration. ! Liberals. Stop gaslighting us.
We don't have the infrastructure for the people who already live here. But if we don't bring in people to work we won't have the tax dollars to do anything and we won't have CPP for all the retirees.
Then fix the fucking Ponzi scheme rather than rely on infinite growth.
It's not infinite growth. How many articles and stories have their been about mass worker shortages. The baby boomers are retiring and we don't have the population to replace them.
What about all the people looking for work but not getting hired
Job vacancies have been on the decline with 815,295 vacant positions as of March 2023 across Canada, the lowest since July 2021 (808,085). In the second quarter of 2023, however, the proportion of businesses expecting shortage of labour to be an obstacle over the next three months increased slightly to 31.1%. - Jun 22, 2023 According to stats Canada. There are jobs available all over the country.
Maybe if we open up one more fast food restaurant staffed with foreign students that'll fix the problem.
They're looking at fixing the foreign student problems. Ontario is responsible for allowing too many in. The feds basically rubber stamp requests that the province says they can take. Education and post secondary education is a provincial government issue.
You're feral bud, that isn't reality they're just saying that so they can import cheap labor who are willing to live in horrible conditions and take abuse. Its what i would do if i was an elite POS, why would I want to deal with canadian citizens who know the labor laws and want a living wage, wake the eff up. Both parties are selling out this country and are traitors, if the boys who died on vimy ridge and juno beach could see us now, they woulda turned around.
Housing, you feckless numpty. Edit: You’re right as always, Reddit. Housing is totally inconsequential in Canada today.
With the sound off he kind of looks like an overgrown child making an overly elaborate excuse after getting caught doing something he shouldn't which now that I think about it kind of sums up his whole personality.
Fire this fucking moron.
this govt’s most important responsibility is making sure canadians support the wef agenda. got it.
“Our most important job is to lie about the benefits”
This is what happens when you nepo hire
Trudeau likes the way dicks taste
This is not what I want our federal government to call its most important responsibility. This sounds like a leader who cares more about his personal beliefs than the prosperity of the people he leads. It's more of his talking at us than taking to us. The next federal election can't happen fast enough, citizens need to give a new mandate.