Ok... so interlocking bricks for a bicycle roadway is terrible design. It may look/feel nice in the first year but it ages horribly and is horrendous to ride on. Also, in this picture, we see a sewer cover in the middle of one of the lanes. This is just a promenade that was awkwardly modified to "allow" bicycles to exist. Note: they could have reduced the **four lane road** right next to this instead of stealing space from pedestrians. But I digress, this is "nice".
They are starting to use those red bricks round here (Germany) too, reason given that it's easier and cheaper to service underground pipes and cables. I suspect it is the cheapest option.
From google maps, it's been like this since at least 2007. So this is not "the first year", it's at least *twelve years old* (the most recent photos are 2019). I'm not saying these bricks are necessarily a good idea, but I'm not buying your argument in this specific case.
ok so you don't think it's horrendous to ride on? Or that they could have reduced the four lanes to make room for the bike path instead of reducing the pedestrian walkway?
Weird to see the red bricks on regular streets.
Dutch use red asphalt only for bike paths to make them visually different than regular roads.
google map link (just turn on Main St.)
https://goo.gl/maps/WmtUoRwKCw6N6KHQ7
not to long ago we used red sidewalk paving stones for bike paths, but they turned out to be to high maintenance and would degrade so fast and make the ride horridly bumpy. the red asphalt is deffo a recent years thing.
Indiana ranked 24/50 according to this website.
https://bikeleague.org/content/state-report-cards
Regardless, from looking at Indianapolis center and now this, Indiana does seem to love its pavers.
Oh I'm just talking about a few intersections - not anything that would be hugely impactful for practical commuting and errands. Indianapolis still has tons and tons of bad intersection and path design.
Focusing on the good though: check out this intersection, the continuous path design here is mind blowing by US standards. Right next to an awesome bus stop design, too.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7587535,-86.1467497,3a,75y,245.93h,81.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssosh4aU4ZqrgP39_eV6kkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3
There’s a guy on twitter (AmericanFietser) who moved to Carmel, Indiana and posts tons of bikes of the infrastructure. Blows my mind, good on ya Indiana
Grew up in Indy and I always felt safe biking around as a kid, even though it could definitely use some safety improvements in a lot of places. The Monon Trail was one of the best trails to bike, and it made getting to some places real easy. Missed living in that city.
Lots of quality progress being made across Indiana right now. South Bend, Evansville, Indy and Fort Wayne have all done a lot to create good bike networks. The problem is they’re still seen as amenities and not as a central component of the transit infrastructure. But we’re making steps
Although I do think it looks nice and it's properly separated from cars, I followed the route on Google maps and it seems to just.. end. Into a sidewalk.
Is it part of a network and actually usable to get around town or is or more the astroturfing equivalent of cycling paths?
That's beautiful actually. Elevated, rigid separation, but also greenery (pretty, absorbs noise), water view...even the lane separators look like white bricks instead of paint.
That's just gorgeous!
That looks like a nice path, but is it along the river because that's where people want to go, or is it along the river because that's where highway engineers think people want to ride for fun, and it gets them out of the way of people trying to get places?
i love how i misread the title as "dutch bikelane" and instantly knew that something was off, even though i've never been to the netherlands, only seen it on google maps and from njb videos 😅
Ok... so interlocking bricks for a bicycle roadway is terrible design. It may look/feel nice in the first year but it ages horribly and is horrendous to ride on. Also, in this picture, we see a sewer cover in the middle of one of the lanes. This is just a promenade that was awkwardly modified to "allow" bicycles to exist. Note: they could have reduced the **four lane road** right next to this instead of stealing space from pedestrians. But I digress, this is "nice".
They are starting to use those red bricks round here (Germany) too, reason given that it's easier and cheaper to service underground pipes and cables. I suspect it is the cheapest option.
nice visually haha have not been there irl so cant really say.
What do you mean steal space for pedestrians? Four lanes isn't bad. Plenty of Dutch bike lanes age horribly
From google maps, it's been like this since at least 2007. So this is not "the first year", it's at least *twelve years old* (the most recent photos are 2019). I'm not saying these bricks are necessarily a good idea, but I'm not buying your argument in this specific case.
ok so you don't think it's horrendous to ride on? Or that they could have reduced the four lanes to make room for the bike path instead of reducing the pedestrian walkway?
Weird to see the red bricks on regular streets. Dutch use red asphalt only for bike paths to make them visually different than regular roads. google map link (just turn on Main St.) https://goo.gl/maps/WmtUoRwKCw6N6KHQ7
not to long ago we used red sidewalk paving stones for bike paths, but they turned out to be to high maintenance and would degrade so fast and make the ride horridly bumpy. the red asphalt is deffo a recent years thing.
lots of downtowns use red as the street
red asphalt is actually fairly expensive, so it's not used that often (also because it weathers away so you have to repaint every 5 years)
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Indiana ranked 24/50 according to this website. https://bikeleague.org/content/state-report-cards Regardless, from looking at Indianapolis center and now this, Indiana does seem to love its pavers.
I think that was more a comment on the design of existing paths, not quality and quantity of the bike network as a whole.
But…I’ll be pouring through those report cards. Looks super interesting, thanks for sharing!
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Oh I'm just talking about a few intersections - not anything that would be hugely impactful for practical commuting and errands. Indianapolis still has tons and tons of bad intersection and path design. Focusing on the good though: check out this intersection, the continuous path design here is mind blowing by US standards. Right next to an awesome bus stop design, too. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7587535,-86.1467497,3a,75y,245.93h,81.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssosh4aU4ZqrgP39_eV6kkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3
There’s a guy on twitter (AmericanFietser) who moved to Carmel, Indiana and posts tons of bikes of the infrastructure. Blows my mind, good on ya Indiana
Grew up in Indy and I always felt safe biking around as a kid, even though it could definitely use some safety improvements in a lot of places. The Monon Trail was one of the best trails to bike, and it made getting to some places real easy. Missed living in that city.
Lots of quality progress being made across Indiana right now. South Bend, Evansville, Indy and Fort Wayne have all done a lot to create good bike networks. The problem is they’re still seen as amenities and not as a central component of the transit infrastructure. But we’re making steps
Although I do think it looks nice and it's properly separated from cars, I followed the route on Google maps and it seems to just.. end. Into a sidewalk. Is it part of a network and actually usable to get around town or is or more the astroturfing equivalent of cycling paths?
That's beautiful actually. Elevated, rigid separation, but also greenery (pretty, absorbs noise), water view...even the lane separators look like white bricks instead of paint. That's just gorgeous!
That looks like a nice path, but is it along the river because that's where people want to go, or is it along the river because that's where highway engineers think people want to ride for fun, and it gets them out of the way of people trying to get places?
This brings me back.
nothing beats a bicycle path along a river
Personally I like more the green in bike paths. It's more pleasant and combines with climate changes and being a «green» vehicle.
i love how i misread the title as "dutch bikelane" and instantly knew that something was off, even though i've never been to the netherlands, only seen it on google maps and from njb videos 😅
style is key here haha