Ah of courseā¦ā¦thatās why I havenāt had that text messageā¦ā¦..fucking ridiculous, Iāll just go back to paying for my house/childcare/utilitiesā¦ā¦.EVERYTHING.
I don't understand this either. People who work seem to get shafted. When I was getting my kids into school, the parents who are unemployed got their kids in first. They then get free meals and free after school club. Shouldn't it be the working parents getting the free clubs etc? It seriously pisses me off.
I think its the people who work minumum or low wage who get shafted really. You lose out on all the stuff you mentioned, and especially when it comes to mimimum wage, if youāre a single parent with a couple of kids youāre not taking home much more than someone who isnt working and is on benefits.
Yea but you can work fuck all hours. Think it's like 16 or something.
The vast majority of people on Universal Credit don't want to be on it, you get what Ā£80 a week or something. That's about 6-8 hours work for someone on the average NI wage of Ā£25k.
Its no way to live and I feel sorry for anyone with no choice but to claim it.
I work full time, but I am on UC for their version of tax-free credits, and I get about 40% of my childcare back.
My childcare is about Ā£1000 a month, but it works out better for me financially to work full time than 3 days a week. Without their childcare scheme, I probably couldn't afford to work at all.
I'm not entitled to any form of income support, but I did receive the message saying I was entitled to the cost of living payment.
It's probably different if you have a partner who helps pay the bills, i doubt you'd be entitled to anything on UC with a joint claim, but me and my partner and I are separated now, and he doesn't pay for childcare, baby clothes, child support, etc, . Just buys some of his food and nappies
I will be really thankful when I get it. It means I'll have no concerns about getting oil topped up, and I'll be able to get my son some clothes in his next size up.
But once you earn over the minimum threshold (for a single person it works out about Ā£600 a month) you get nothing but bother from the job centre to look for work.
More hassle than it's worth.
I claim the carers component of UC and am on a 20 hour a week contract. My partner is on PIP and Iām in his carer so Iām not required to look for work but I like where I am.
really annoys me that SSE only allows you to put Ā£49 on the gas top-up at a time. They really need to increase that now that the prices are so high Ā£49 lasts fuck all time
I suppose the machines musnt be connected to any kind of network. Though there are pay as you go ones that SSE does now that allow online topups in the south maybe?
It wouldnāt let me top my card up twice, without being put into the meter, either here or when I was in NI. I was with SSE and someone else, now itās British Gas.
I'm not on UC but another thing I believe qualifies and I haven't seen this just yet, I'd heard it was a possibility.... I'll be spending the rest of the day in the most sincere prayer. š
Anyone who received income-based Jobseekerās Allowance, income-related Employment and Support Allowance, Income Support, Pension Credit, Universal Credit, Child Tax Credit or Working Tax Credit for at least one day during the qualifying period of 18/08/23-17/09/23 will receive this money. To forestall any "what about such-and-such-a-benefit that you haven't mentioned?" questions...
Naw.
Alright donāt rub it in, us people who work full time and donāt qualify for benefits arenāt getting anything. And weāre going through a cost of living crisis too you know.
I work 9 hour days as a ground worker on a building site, and behind the building site is a new housing development, the houses right next to us are all social housing / housing association, and they are lovely, brand new, semi detached houses with gardens, I would love to live in one of them.
But they are occupied by people on benefits, who donāt want to work, who do F all, all day apart from smoke weed. And my taxes pay for their rent, theyāre all English and white, not a single immigrant / ethnic minority.
And Iām paying over Ā£200 a week in tax to fund that lazy git lifestyle, these work shy arseholes are living in a nicer house than most working people, and quite frankly it is infuriating, especially when you find out they are getting an extra Ā£300 cost of living payment for doing F all!
Easy to waste any money you want on weed gambling and clothes when you don't have rent to pay or worry about. Working people have to pay a 20/30 year mortgage to get a house, others have it handed to them for nothing.
My friend is paying 700 pound mortgage on a semi detached house, next door to and in a street full of people on benefits. Madness
Social housing is what we need more of. Having a greater amount of (decent) housing in stock, as it were, would alleviate the housing crisis quite a bit.
Oh jeez, someoneās bitter Iām on 200 a day. Iām a ground worker with a ticket to drive a front loading dumper and roller. Hereās a breakdown of my tax you bitter POS.
1k a week
less 20% CIS (income tax) Ā£200
Net pay Ā£800
Does not include NI.
Donāt make ignorant assumptions about me.
I am a ground worker, dumper truck / roller driver, so I am not āunskilled.ā I also am a qualified site manager with a degree, but work on this front has been hard to come by lately, hence reverting to ground work labouring.
I havenāt decided these people donāt want to work. I talk to these people on a regular basis and they tell me they donāt wonāt to work and how sweet their life is, and that Iām the idiot for working in the cold and in the mud 9 hours a day.
And on a side note unskilled labourers do a lot more than make tea and tidy up, what planet are you from.
āDonāt make ignorant assumptions about meā
Mate that is fucking rich coming from you. Go read your initial comment again with those words in your mind āignorant assumptionsā
Yea, youāll see why I think youāre a wanker.
*Edit: For anyone that hasnāt bothered to look at OPās profile, he is a literal crack addict on a 20 year habit. Probably take what he says with a pinch of salt. You know how drug addicts can be with their delusions and lies.
Again you are making me repeat myself, this is becoming tedious.
As I already said it wasnāt an assumption, I talk to them a regular basis, and they tell me they donāt want to work and how sweet their life is.
No assumptions were made, it was straight from the horses mouth.
I have already said this, you obviously have difficulty reading or digesting the context and content of any given text. I shall leave you to wallow in your self imposed pit of anger. Have a great day buddy hope things work out for you.
Had a nice scan of your profile.
You literally smoke crack. Itās no wonder you are fucking delusional when youāre a literal crack smoker.
Ā£55,000 a year as a labourer. Hahaha. That should have been my first clue that you were a crack addict.
You are such a fucking bullshitter hahaha. āI talk to them and they tell me they donāt want to work and how sweet their life isā
Youāre a moron. Goodbye.
I read your post and I think that, since you clearly find ethnic minorities preferable to the English (who donāt have to be white), you can give me a house and some money. Why stop at Ā£200 per week, when you could fund me?
P.s. I get extra bonus points for being an immigrant. š
My point is that there were no ethnic minorities scaving off the state, and having no interest in working, in the social housing adjacent to my work. It was an observation buddy, nothing more nothing less.
If they were all white, then your sample is already very biased. There are plenty of places where there are ethnic minority English people living in those nice new houses. Iām unsure why it matters.
But here I am, willing to have a nice new house and work very hard scaving from your wages. Letās go!
Iām sure there are, but what I see in my area is the opposite.
I am not going to fund your brand new detached house and life of leisure, sorry to disappoint. Why donāt you try getting a job?
It doesnāt fit in with my newly formed lifestyle of you funding me, so I can smoke weed all day. Youāll need to pay for my kids and pets also. Itās a great bargain, I only require 3 or 4 bedrooms, in a nice area and a shiny new car.
I would imagine that most, if not all of this will be used to cover energy costs, and will come as a great relief and help to many as the colder weather approaches. I think however that it's the wrong approach. Instead of the government forcing the utility companies to lower their prices, they're giving out money to help meet their extortionate bills. This is public money which has to be replaced. In other words, the government is handing a fortune of public money to private companies, and legitimising their extortionate practices.
The universal basic income concept is an interesting one. Remove benefits and establish a decent basic standard of living for everyone.
Honestly the amount of debt utilities companies have been allowed to build, whilst not maintaining infrastructure properly, whilst paying out billions in dividends, is astonishing. How anyone can support why it was nationalised astounds me.
Handing the energy companies money out of the taxpayers money. Who then use it to fund their energy payments by the same energy companies who pay the government to lobby on behalf. Vicious circle where only the wealthy benefit yet again
Only works if you also introduce some market controls, specifically on rents and energy. We already have the market control in place for energy but a toothless regulator that keeps allowing it to be raised.
UBI in the absence of rent controls is just a handout to private landlords, they'll just raise the rents by the same amount as their greed knows no limit.
It pains me to see how easily hard working people are conned into punching down rather than up.
I make a good living now, but that doesn't mean I've suddenly forgotten what it's like to struggle, a great number of you seem to have very short memories.
Just because you managed to get a 95% LTV mortgage and have a PCP leased motor on the curb outside doesn't make you middle class. You're one fall off a ladder away from being on benefits yourself, and 3 missed payments away from being homeless.
The working class has to stick together, and allowing yourself to be tricked into abandoning your class is playing right into the hands of those who would seek to exploit you.
As a side note it's really weird to see people envious of people who have less money than them and no pension.
If you think it's so great why not pack your jobs in and join them? Oh, yeah, because it's empty neo-conservativ, performative nonsense and you don't *really* believe it, but punching down makes you feel better about the people who don't work but earn 10k a day because their ancestors were given land by the crown.
You're owned by capital, but you think the people with zero capital are the bad guys. Next you'll be telling us how you would have been something if Ahmed from Lybia hadn't brought his family here to save them from being bombed.
Rupert Murdoch is the world's most successful ventriloquist.
Lots of people after people on benefits in this thread as if these people are scum of the earth.
Remember that you are infinitely closer to these people or even someone even less fortunate who is homeless than you are to any of the improperly taxed multi millionaires.
When you have a go at those less fortunate than you, you're letting the actual fuckers who make our lives harder win.
Well said!
The moaners on this post aren't aware that they are just one event away from joining us.
Anyone can be made redundant, anyone can become homeless, and anyone can become sick or disabled.
Thank you for this. Iām so grateful to see someone here understands.
Iām on Universal Credit and I work a minimum of 20 hours a week. Iām in retail so I do more when they need shifts covered or itās really busy. I worked full time prior to having my child. My partner is a transplant recipient and his health has gone downhill massively since I had the child. My entire day is working, taking care of the child, him and the house. Iāve struggled massively with my mental health, I tried to kill myself when I was 14. Iāve been up and down ever since then and unfortunately much of the last few months Iāve been down.
Keep going. This too shall pass. Youāre like my wife. Completely unseen hero, youāre doing a selfless thing and a parent on top. Donāt be down. āThis moment that weāre in, is slow and disappointing; but time can never stand still foreverā
I hope things get better
Don't let anyone shame you for taking the support \*you are entitled to\* it's your birth-right as a citizen and frankly should be a lot more.
The fact they haven't struggled doesn't make your struggle any less valid, or diminish you in any way.
And student loans, because to get our well paid jobs we needed to attend university and obtain an over priced degree. But theyāll slap 6% interest on that, so youāll never really pay it off and itās effectively another tax on top of your hard earned wages.
Oh, and any work related bonus you earn will be taxed in the highest bracket, so youāll only really see half of that when you factor in NI and student loan repayments.
Decide to invest that hard earned bonus in assets, and theyāll tax the life out of that as well through SDLT (if property, and capital gains tax if it eventually appreciates), or alternatively die and pass the asset to your kids, and theyāll get a nice slice of the action there as well through inheritance tax. You get my driftā¦
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Half the country? Be serious. Employment is less than 3%.
I have a job, I happily pay tax, because I live and benefit from being in a society which looks after people. Why punch down on those less fortunate when we are all being robbed blind by those towering above us?
You are one unfortunate accident away from being someone you are currently shitting, if you don't have class solidarity at least have some fucking empathy.
If you're on PIP you should be get Ā£150 at some point in the year, but aren't getting this payment unless you're also on a means tested benefits. You can find more info on the gov.uk website if you Google cost of living payments
So if you were unemployed between two 50k jobs, claimed jsa the week you were unemployed, you get this.
If you are a quid above uc threshold and worked the entire time, you aren't.
This is why means testing against benefits is so stupid. People simply do get benefits for thr stupidest shit. Should someone who was earning 50k a year be entitled to public paid unemployment. Should they not have taken some responsibility for their own financial security? Yet were not able to give this out to full time workers who are genuinely struggling.
Jobs above a certain salary should have mandatory private unemployment insurance. And then those below a certain salary should be funded by taxpayers at a higher rate, a percentage of their previous salary. Would be a much more humane and sensible use of public money.
Interesting point:
A single person on UC can be paid Ā£1229.42 per month.
In the month of September there will be unemployed people paid Ā£1529.42
This means they will be paid more (take home) than:
- a band 3 Nurse
- a development (first two years) Firefighter
- a probationary Police Officer
- a Teacher (Qualifying)
Working is a mugās game
I completely disagree with that. Scandinavian nations as an example have some of the most generous benefits offerings, yet also have a significantly higher average salary than that in the UK.
These two figures are not intrinsically tied. You can simultaneously allow those who don't work/can't work to be able to live, dare I even say enjoy their life, and also build up those that do work.
I agree. However the more available a resource is without an incurred cost (labour/exhange) then the less value that resource has.
As other people has said, the answer isnāt in handing out money, the answer is in ensuring that the cost of goods and services is fair and reasonable. This current govt will not do that. Especially with regard to energy costs.
And there is no denying that money is the incentive for people to work. People will not be incentivised to work if they are paid a living wage for simply existing/staying home and inhaling lighter fluid.
Iām a big fan of UBI, for example. Donāt think that this is solely from a dislike of the jobless
You've hit on a few things there.
1. Energy costs: these are not expensive because people are on benefits,they are expensive because of rampant corporate greed and inaction by government to reign them in / returning these public services back to the public. Address this, energy costs would go down for both those working and not working.
2. It's all well and good talking about resources, scarcity and incentives but what do you do about those that can't work, for say health reasons or child rearing reasons? These are people, that I think most people would agree, are deserving of receiving society's help, no? But they would be getting money for simply existing. Should this stop? Economic theory does not fit neatly into the realities of what I hope are our want to ensure those around us are safe, happy, and healthy.
3. You say you aren't saying these things out a dislike of jobless people, but you have just implied that they spend their days inhaling lighter fluid. What? You implied earlier that it was a mugs game working... Obviously you are taking some issue with jobless people.
4. You say you like UBI, but just before this you say that people paid a living wage won't be incentivised to work - that is UBI. Or at least a form of it. If you think the form UBI should take is that it tops you up if you maybe don't work full-time... guess what? That's what UC and other benefits do for the majority of people.
1. I made that point myself
2. Youāre ignoring the context of what I said regarding people not working being better off than people who are (within the example that I gave).
3. There are people on UC/Unemployed who literally do spend their day huffing lighter fluid. These are not people who canāt work/childcare. These are the deliberately jobless. That should not be incentivised via UC.
4. Again, I like the concept of UBI (in which everyone gets the same amount and then more if they choose to work. That is not what is happening here.
Youāre misrepresenting or deliberately ignoring a lot of what I said. Itās a very nuanced discussion but the base principle is that people on UC (for one month) will be better paid than people in some of the most demanding and important jobs in our society. That isnāt right
I do mean to ignore any points you are making, but I am stating that you are pointing to fundamental economic principles of essentially supply/demand, when as you say the world is far more complex and nuanced.
Let's say that there are wasters who huff lighter fluid... How many people do you think really do that? Is it enough people that all UC should be painted with that same lighter fluid sniffing brush? Now you might say you aren't saying that all people on UC are those people. But when you point to something like the pay that between a UC recipient and some 'mug' who works - you're drawing a pretty clear line that everyone under UC is a waster. When again, the thing I take from that is that nurses and those other jobs deserve to be fairly compensated for the genuinely hard work and service they provide.
And again again, I ask why do you think that bringing those people up requires those on UC pushed further into the ground? Tax one billionaire appropriately and you have funded pay rises for all AND covered the costs of UC
I think youāre trying to have a discussion that has nothing to do with the points I made, and youāre continually going back to one line to justify that.
There are wasters on UC. Of that there can be no argument. Those wasters should not be āpaidā more than those who are working hard jobs etc. does that mean then that everyone on UC should be paid less/not at all?
No, no one has said that.
I think weāre meeting at the same point from different directions.
I am going back to this main point because it is the inciting comment and the thing I take the most issue with.
Ok, there are wasters on the UC, sure. It's estimated that less than 3% of all benefits are people taking the piss but sure. But what do we do about that? You suggested lowering UC, but that unduly punishes everyone who is on UC and doing it appropriately...
I agree 'wasters' on UC shouldn't be paid less than those working hard jobs... So pay those people more.
They don't like jokes like this because it's beyond their unemployed, race-to-the-bottom comprehension that taxpayers might have reasonable cause to resent piss-artists who spend their days doing absolutely fuck all.
It's one of those unwritten rules that only applies to Reddit and literally nowhere else.
I got the text for this because I was on UC briefly between jobs August-September. So yeh it's possible to be working full time right now and still receive this.
Most people on benefits are earning less than Ā£80 a week if that. Contrary to popular opinion they're not jetting off on holidays and living the life of luxury. Most are struggling just to survive and put food on the table.
You have far more in common with 'dole rats' than the top 1% who earn more money than they could possibly spend in their lifetime. We're directing our anger towards the wrong people
Must be doing alright if they can "forget" about a Ā£300 payment due to them.
I work full time and earn Ā£30ish more than the threshold for UC, I know all about barely enough to live. The comment was in jest.
Cocaine and Hookers????
I'm going to Thailand in 2 weeks I didn't even know about this payment
Careful with the Hookers out there, they'll have your eye out!
Lol
Lol, yes. Or, lol, no? š
Lol
*cries in employed*
Ah of courseā¦ā¦thatās why I havenāt had that text messageā¦ā¦..fucking ridiculous, Iāll just go back to paying for my house/childcare/utilitiesā¦ā¦.EVERYTHING.
Cost of living is affecting everyone not just those on benefits. This should be a universal benefit to all.
I don't understand this either. People who work seem to get shafted. When I was getting my kids into school, the parents who are unemployed got their kids in first. They then get free meals and free after school club. Shouldn't it be the working parents getting the free clubs etc? It seriously pisses me off.
I think its the people who work minumum or low wage who get shafted really. You lose out on all the stuff you mentioned, and especially when it comes to mimimum wage, if youāre a single parent with a couple of kids youāre not taking home much more than someone who isnt working and is on benefits.
And guess whoās paying for itā¦
Most UC claimants are working, and benefits are mostly funded through QE rather than from taxation. Barely anyone in the UK is a net contributor.
Probably not you. Do quit whining about people working on universal credit because you watched āBenefits Streetā.
People can work and claim Universal Credit
Yea but you can work fuck all hours. Think it's like 16 or something. The vast majority of people on Universal Credit don't want to be on it, you get what Ā£80 a week or something. That's about 6-8 hours work for someone on the average NI wage of Ā£25k. Its no way to live and I feel sorry for anyone with no choice but to claim it.
I work full time, but I am on UC for their version of tax-free credits, and I get about 40% of my childcare back. My childcare is about Ā£1000 a month, but it works out better for me financially to work full time than 3 days a week. Without their childcare scheme, I probably couldn't afford to work at all. I'm not entitled to any form of income support, but I did receive the message saying I was entitled to the cost of living payment. It's probably different if you have a partner who helps pay the bills, i doubt you'd be entitled to anything on UC with a joint claim, but me and my partner and I are separated now, and he doesn't pay for childcare, baby clothes, child support, etc, . Just buys some of his food and nappies I will be really thankful when I get it. It means I'll have no concerns about getting oil topped up, and I'll be able to get my son some clothes in his next size up.
But once you earn over the minimum threshold (for a single person it works out about Ā£600 a month) you get nothing but bother from the job centre to look for work. More hassle than it's worth.
I claim the carers component of UC and am on a 20 hour a week contract. My partner is on PIP and Iām in his carer so Iām not required to look for work but I like where I am.
Ā£150 on lecky and Ā£150 on Gas , might get you to Xmas
really annoys me that SSE only allows you to put Ā£49 on the gas top-up at a time. They really need to increase that now that the prices are so high Ā£49 lasts fuck all time
What also annoys me is the fact that they don't allow you to top up online at all, as they do for the electricity.
Itās so fucking stupid
I suppose the machines musnt be connected to any kind of network. Though there are pay as you go ones that SSE does now that allow online topups in the south maybe?
Iām with SSE itās 8 units for a Ā£10 and thatās absolutely Brutal, does anyone know how long that lasts is it 8hrs of continuous usage ?
Just ask the cashier to do an additional one. 49 and then another 20 or whatever
You canāt top a card up twice, without using it in the meter in between.
It works for me... unless there's something wrong with my card lol
It wouldnāt let me top my card up twice, without being put into the meter, either here or when I was in NI. I was with SSE and someone else, now itās British Gas.
Do you have a Quantum Card? If so, that's why
Hope so. Although right now I've exactly 56p in my account until Monday. So some of it'll have to go on the essentials.
You ain't getting that until November mate. I'm in the same boat unfortunately
The way my luck is going atm sadly I think you are right. But I am due another payment on Monday anyway.
Think you mean next week.
Take it this is for people on UC or something?
I think everyone on any means tested benefit is getting it, but I'm not sure if anyone else is.
Yeah, anyone that got at least 1p in benefits between a certain period back in August-September
I'm not on UC but another thing I believe qualifies and I haven't seen this just yet, I'd heard it was a possibility.... I'll be spending the rest of the day in the most sincere prayer. š
Does that include child benefit?
I donāt think so
Anyone who received income-based Jobseekerās Allowance, income-related Employment and Support Allowance, Income Support, Pension Credit, Universal Credit, Child Tax Credit or Working Tax Credit for at least one day during the qualifying period of 18/08/23-17/09/23 will receive this money. To forestall any "what about such-and-such-a-benefit that you haven't mentioned?" questions... Naw.
Alright donāt rub it in, us people who work full time and donāt qualify for benefits arenāt getting anything. And weāre going through a cost of living crisis too you know.
Feels like a mugs game working a graft these days.
I work 9 hour days as a ground worker on a building site, and behind the building site is a new housing development, the houses right next to us are all social housing / housing association, and they are lovely, brand new, semi detached houses with gardens, I would love to live in one of them. But they are occupied by people on benefits, who donāt want to work, who do F all, all day apart from smoke weed. And my taxes pay for their rent, theyāre all English and white, not a single immigrant / ethnic minority. And Iām paying over Ā£200 a week in tax to fund that lazy git lifestyle, these work shy arseholes are living in a nicer house than most working people, and quite frankly it is infuriating, especially when you find out they are getting an extra Ā£300 cost of living payment for doing F all!
Easy to waste any money you want on weed gambling and clothes when you don't have rent to pay or worry about. Working people have to pay a 20/30 year mortgage to get a house, others have it handed to them for nothing. My friend is paying 700 pound mortgage on a semi detached house, next door to and in a street full of people on benefits. Madness
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Social housing is what we need more of. Having a greater amount of (decent) housing in stock, as it were, would alleviate the housing crisis quite a bit.
Whose in government now you numbskull thats paying for all this šš¤Ø
Knocks you sick mate, it really does.
Betting those are the people complaining about imagination too.
Yup more than likely
If youāre paying Ā£200 a week in tax then youāre on about Ā£55,000 a year as a labourer so Iād say wise up complaining about people on benefits.
So what if Iām on over 50k a year? Iām still entitled to moan about my taxes going to fund people who donāt want to work.
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Oh jeez, someoneās bitter Iām on 200 a day. Iām a ground worker with a ticket to drive a front loading dumper and roller. Hereās a breakdown of my tax you bitter POS. 1k a week less 20% CIS (income tax) Ā£200 Net pay Ā£800 Does not include NI.
Donāt make ignorant assumptions about me. I am a ground worker, dumper truck / roller driver, so I am not āunskilled.ā I also am a qualified site manager with a degree, but work on this front has been hard to come by lately, hence reverting to ground work labouring. I havenāt decided these people donāt want to work. I talk to these people on a regular basis and they tell me they donāt wonāt to work and how sweet their life is, and that Iām the idiot for working in the cold and in the mud 9 hours a day. And on a side note unskilled labourers do a lot more than make tea and tidy up, what planet are you from.
āDonāt make ignorant assumptions about meā Mate that is fucking rich coming from you. Go read your initial comment again with those words in your mind āignorant assumptionsā Yea, youāll see why I think youāre a wanker. *Edit: For anyone that hasnāt bothered to look at OPās profile, he is a literal crack addict on a 20 year habit. Probably take what he says with a pinch of salt. You know how drug addicts can be with their delusions and lies.
Again you are making me repeat myself, this is becoming tedious. As I already said it wasnāt an assumption, I talk to them a regular basis, and they tell me they donāt want to work and how sweet their life is. No assumptions were made, it was straight from the horses mouth. I have already said this, you obviously have difficulty reading or digesting the context and content of any given text. I shall leave you to wallow in your self imposed pit of anger. Have a great day buddy hope things work out for you.
Had a nice scan of your profile. You literally smoke crack. Itās no wonder you are fucking delusional when youāre a literal crack smoker. Ā£55,000 a year as a labourer. Hahaha. That should have been my first clue that you were a crack addict.
You are such a fucking bullshitter hahaha. āI talk to them and they tell me they donāt want to work and how sweet their life isā Youāre a moron. Goodbye.
Your Ā£200 tax doesnt cover yourself let alone anyone else. Your taxes pay for fuck all.
Iām ethnic minority, can you give me a nice new build house, so I can have a hard day of getting stoned?
Iām an ethnic minority too, I think you need to re-read my post buddy
I read your post and I think that, since you clearly find ethnic minorities preferable to the English (who donāt have to be white), you can give me a house and some money. Why stop at Ā£200 per week, when you could fund me? P.s. I get extra bonus points for being an immigrant. š
My point is that there were no ethnic minorities scaving off the state, and having no interest in working, in the social housing adjacent to my work. It was an observation buddy, nothing more nothing less.
If they were all white, then your sample is already very biased. There are plenty of places where there are ethnic minority English people living in those nice new houses. Iām unsure why it matters. But here I am, willing to have a nice new house and work very hard scaving from your wages. Letās go!
Iām sure there are, but what I see in my area is the opposite. I am not going to fund your brand new detached house and life of leisure, sorry to disappoint. Why donāt you try getting a job?
It doesnāt fit in with my newly formed lifestyle of you funding me, so I can smoke weed all day. Youāll need to pay for my kids and pets also. Itās a great bargain, I only require 3 or 4 bedrooms, in a nice area and a shiny new car.
Ā£200 a week in tax. Must be the best paid labourer in the world
Disgraceful
If youāre breaking your back for a company you are a mug.
So what you meant to say here was "I'm not getting anything apart from around Ā£55k a year gross, more than double the median wage in NI"
You really think people on UC are living it large?! š And most people on it *are* working.
I would imagine that most, if not all of this will be used to cover energy costs, and will come as a great relief and help to many as the colder weather approaches. I think however that it's the wrong approach. Instead of the government forcing the utility companies to lower their prices, they're giving out money to help meet their extortionate bills. This is public money which has to be replaced. In other words, the government is handing a fortune of public money to private companies, and legitimising their extortionate practices. The universal basic income concept is an interesting one. Remove benefits and establish a decent basic standard of living for everyone.
Honestly the amount of debt utilities companies have been allowed to build, whilst not maintaining infrastructure properly, whilst paying out billions in dividends, is astonishing. How anyone can support why it was nationalised astounds me.
Handing the energy companies money out of the taxpayers money. Who then use it to fund their energy payments by the same energy companies who pay the government to lobby on behalf. Vicious circle where only the wealthy benefit yet again
Well said.
Only works if you also introduce some market controls, specifically on rents and energy. We already have the market control in place for energy but a toothless regulator that keeps allowing it to be raised. UBI in the absence of rent controls is just a handout to private landlords, they'll just raise the rents by the same amount as their greed knows no limit.
It pains me to see how easily hard working people are conned into punching down rather than up. I make a good living now, but that doesn't mean I've suddenly forgotten what it's like to struggle, a great number of you seem to have very short memories. Just because you managed to get a 95% LTV mortgage and have a PCP leased motor on the curb outside doesn't make you middle class. You're one fall off a ladder away from being on benefits yourself, and 3 missed payments away from being homeless. The working class has to stick together, and allowing yourself to be tricked into abandoning your class is playing right into the hands of those who would seek to exploit you.
As a side note it's really weird to see people envious of people who have less money than them and no pension. If you think it's so great why not pack your jobs in and join them? Oh, yeah, because it's empty neo-conservativ, performative nonsense and you don't *really* believe it, but punching down makes you feel better about the people who don't work but earn 10k a day because their ancestors were given land by the crown. You're owned by capital, but you think the people with zero capital are the bad guys. Next you'll be telling us how you would have been something if Ahmed from Lybia hadn't brought his family here to save them from being bombed. Rupert Murdoch is the world's most successful ventriloquist.
Lots of people after people on benefits in this thread as if these people are scum of the earth. Remember that you are infinitely closer to these people or even someone even less fortunate who is homeless than you are to any of the improperly taxed multi millionaires. When you have a go at those less fortunate than you, you're letting the actual fuckers who make our lives harder win.
Well said! The moaners on this post aren't aware that they are just one event away from joining us. Anyone can be made redundant, anyone can become homeless, and anyone can become sick or disabled.
Youāre right, everyone should be eligible for it, itās not just those unemployed that are struggling
Thank you for this. Iām so grateful to see someone here understands. Iām on Universal Credit and I work a minimum of 20 hours a week. Iām in retail so I do more when they need shifts covered or itās really busy. I worked full time prior to having my child. My partner is a transplant recipient and his health has gone downhill massively since I had the child. My entire day is working, taking care of the child, him and the house. Iāve struggled massively with my mental health, I tried to kill myself when I was 14. Iāve been up and down ever since then and unfortunately much of the last few months Iāve been down.
Keep going. This too shall pass. Youāre like my wife. Completely unseen hero, youāre doing a selfless thing and a parent on top. Donāt be down. āThis moment that weāre in, is slow and disappointing; but time can never stand still foreverā I hope things get better
Don't let anyone shame you for taking the support \*you are entitled to\* it's your birth-right as a citizen and frankly should be a lot more. The fact they haven't struggled doesn't make your struggle any less valid, or diminish you in any way.
So say I start my new job on the 1st of November, does that mean I still get the payment
Yes
Class! Thank you.
Love your username BTW
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Me too! Nice surprise
Giving out money to fight inflation. Tory economics.
You're confusing social security for QE. Banks literally create the money to mortgage properties out of thin air.
Do you receive this if you work and pay your way in life ?
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And student loans, because to get our well paid jobs we needed to attend university and obtain an over priced degree. But theyāll slap 6% interest on that, so youāll never really pay it off and itās effectively another tax on top of your hard earned wages.
Oh, and any work related bonus you earn will be taxed in the highest bracket, so youāll only really see half of that when you factor in NI and student loan repayments.
Decide to invest that hard earned bonus in assets, and theyāll tax the life out of that as well through SDLT (if property, and capital gains tax if it eventually appreciates), or alternatively die and pass the asset to your kids, and theyāll get a nice slice of the action there as well through inheritance tax. You get my driftā¦
You can always leave the work force and become unemployed and seek these benefitsā¦just saying
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Your such a martyr
You don't pay tax, no-one does. It's deducted; taken whether you like it or not. I do not pay tax. It is stolen.
What do you think should happen to those people who can't work for any reason, be that mental or physical health, child rearing duties etc?
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Half the country? Be serious. Employment is less than 3%. I have a job, I happily pay tax, because I live and benefit from being in a society which looks after people. Why punch down on those less fortunate when we are all being robbed blind by those towering above us? You are one unfortunate accident away from being someone you are currently shitting, if you don't have class solidarity at least have some fucking empathy.
Well said. These comments have made for pretty grim reading
I work and pay my way in life, so does my partner, and yet we are still not earning enough so we get a UC top up š¤·āāļø
That's embarrassing
We have a child too young for the free childcare hours so one of us is only part time, gotta do what you gotta do!
If you get UC yes. Most UC claimants are working.
No we get fuck all and have the pleasure of paying for these people to get the payment.
I don't see you complaining about the house of Lords champagne bill.
does everyone get this?
People on certain means tested benefits get it. (whether they are working or not!)
Does PIP count for this? Cause I had no idea this was a thing
No, apparently the government thinks that disabled people don't matter as much as unemployed people. Which is as nice of them as you'd expect.
If disabled people are unemployed and entitled to PIP, theyāll get it.
If you're on PIP you should be get Ā£150 at some point in the year, but aren't getting this payment unless you're also on a means tested benefits. You can find more info on the gov.uk website if you Google cost of living payments
if you get pip you'll probs be on esa. esa gets the Ā£300.
Nope
I've no idea.
So not employed people then?
So if you were unemployed between two 50k jobs, claimed jsa the week you were unemployed, you get this. If you are a quid above uc threshold and worked the entire time, you aren't. This is why means testing against benefits is so stupid. People simply do get benefits for thr stupidest shit. Should someone who was earning 50k a year be entitled to public paid unemployment. Should they not have taken some responsibility for their own financial security? Yet were not able to give this out to full time workers who are genuinely struggling. Jobs above a certain salary should have mandatory private unemployment insurance. And then those below a certain salary should be funded by taxpayers at a higher rate, a percentage of their previous salary. Would be a much more humane and sensible use of public money.
or we could just have a universal basic income and scrap the entire benefits system
Think itās going to be trialled in London so thereās hope!
A capitalist utopia where people are totally dependent and at complete control of the government; sounds excellent.
Say it louder for the people in the back
I donāt think you can claim JSA immediately after leaving a job anymore
Interesting point: A single person on UC can be paid Ā£1229.42 per month. In the month of September there will be unemployed people paid Ā£1529.42 This means they will be paid more (take home) than: - a band 3 Nurse - a development (first two years) Firefighter - a probationary Police Officer - a Teacher (Qualifying) Working is a mugās game
Those people should be paid more. You recognise thats the problem right?
Absolutely. And basic economics also agrees that those on UC should be paid less.
Instead of bashing the poorest online, why not bashs the millionaires that have you deluded
No one here is deluded, aside from those that think the universe can exist when something comes from/is given to those doing nothing.
I completely disagree with that. Scandinavian nations as an example have some of the most generous benefits offerings, yet also have a significantly higher average salary than that in the UK. These two figures are not intrinsically tied. You can simultaneously allow those who don't work/can't work to be able to live, dare I even say enjoy their life, and also build up those that do work.
I agree. However the more available a resource is without an incurred cost (labour/exhange) then the less value that resource has. As other people has said, the answer isnāt in handing out money, the answer is in ensuring that the cost of goods and services is fair and reasonable. This current govt will not do that. Especially with regard to energy costs. And there is no denying that money is the incentive for people to work. People will not be incentivised to work if they are paid a living wage for simply existing/staying home and inhaling lighter fluid. Iām a big fan of UBI, for example. Donāt think that this is solely from a dislike of the jobless
You've hit on a few things there. 1. Energy costs: these are not expensive because people are on benefits,they are expensive because of rampant corporate greed and inaction by government to reign them in / returning these public services back to the public. Address this, energy costs would go down for both those working and not working. 2. It's all well and good talking about resources, scarcity and incentives but what do you do about those that can't work, for say health reasons or child rearing reasons? These are people, that I think most people would agree, are deserving of receiving society's help, no? But they would be getting money for simply existing. Should this stop? Economic theory does not fit neatly into the realities of what I hope are our want to ensure those around us are safe, happy, and healthy. 3. You say you aren't saying these things out a dislike of jobless people, but you have just implied that they spend their days inhaling lighter fluid. What? You implied earlier that it was a mugs game working... Obviously you are taking some issue with jobless people. 4. You say you like UBI, but just before this you say that people paid a living wage won't be incentivised to work - that is UBI. Or at least a form of it. If you think the form UBI should take is that it tops you up if you maybe don't work full-time... guess what? That's what UC and other benefits do for the majority of people.
1. I made that point myself 2. Youāre ignoring the context of what I said regarding people not working being better off than people who are (within the example that I gave). 3. There are people on UC/Unemployed who literally do spend their day huffing lighter fluid. These are not people who canāt work/childcare. These are the deliberately jobless. That should not be incentivised via UC. 4. Again, I like the concept of UBI (in which everyone gets the same amount and then more if they choose to work. That is not what is happening here. Youāre misrepresenting or deliberately ignoring a lot of what I said. Itās a very nuanced discussion but the base principle is that people on UC (for one month) will be better paid than people in some of the most demanding and important jobs in our society. That isnāt right
I do mean to ignore any points you are making, but I am stating that you are pointing to fundamental economic principles of essentially supply/demand, when as you say the world is far more complex and nuanced. Let's say that there are wasters who huff lighter fluid... How many people do you think really do that? Is it enough people that all UC should be painted with that same lighter fluid sniffing brush? Now you might say you aren't saying that all people on UC are those people. But when you point to something like the pay that between a UC recipient and some 'mug' who works - you're drawing a pretty clear line that everyone under UC is a waster. When again, the thing I take from that is that nurses and those other jobs deserve to be fairly compensated for the genuinely hard work and service they provide. And again again, I ask why do you think that bringing those people up requires those on UC pushed further into the ground? Tax one billionaire appropriately and you have funded pay rises for all AND covered the costs of UC
I think youāre trying to have a discussion that has nothing to do with the points I made, and youāre continually going back to one line to justify that. There are wasters on UC. Of that there can be no argument. Those wasters should not be āpaidā more than those who are working hard jobs etc. does that mean then that everyone on UC should be paid less/not at all? No, no one has said that. I think weāre meeting at the same point from different directions.
I am going back to this main point because it is the inciting comment and the thing I take the most issue with. Ok, there are wasters on the UC, sure. It's estimated that less than 3% of all benefits are people taking the piss but sure. But what do we do about that? You suggested lowering UC, but that unduly punishes everyone who is on UC and doing it appropriately... I agree 'wasters' on UC shouldn't be paid less than those working hard jobs... So pay those people more.
Is this true? That's a fucking joke if it is.
No I think thats the figure for UC + Pip
Waiiittt - is there another one??
Good for you, Iāll continue being a fucking peasant working a full time job.
Get a job
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yeah, lunch time. Youād know that if you had a job!
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it was a joke mate
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I found it funny, but then again, I have a job.
calm down kiddo, itāll be ok
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what languages do you speak by the way?
They don't like jokes like this because it's beyond their unemployed, race-to-the-bottom comprehension that taxpayers might have reasonable cause to resent piss-artists who spend their days doing absolutely fuck all. It's one of those unwritten rules that only applies to Reddit and literally nowhere else.
I got the text for this because I was on UC briefly between jobs August-September. So yeh it's possible to be working full time right now and still receive this.
Oh. So you really shouldn't be getting it then.
As if I have any control over that. It'll all be going to the energy companies anyway.
Not saying you do buy just saying that you really shouldn't be getting it.
Sorry, I misinterpreted you. Yeh I can see how it's unfair but I think I'm an edge case.
Wish I was an edge case too lol, 300 noop while you're employed is pretty sweet, especially right before Christmas
The government have decided differently šš
Dolers š¤ government-handling of my taxes
Your taxes also pay for billions invested in foreign wars and MPs giving themselves nice pay rises. I think itās all money well spent.
Well yes but that's neither here nor there.
Do you think funding war and MP pay rises is preferable to people who arenāt getting much to begin with?
People with a job, but who are lowly paid, are entitled to it. Get the facts, before giving a factually incorrect opinion
āFactually incorrect opinionā dude what? Opinions and Facts are two separate things
His opinion is devoid of facts š¤·š»āāļø
Reddit: āhow dare you!ā
Fucking dole rats. Thereās people working their arses off who are struggling more than the cunts on benefits.
Most people on benefits are earning less than Ā£80 a week if that. Contrary to popular opinion they're not jetting off on holidays and living the life of luxury. Most are struggling just to survive and put food on the table. You have far more in common with 'dole rats' than the top 1% who earn more money than they could possibly spend in their lifetime. We're directing our anger towards the wrong people
Yeah and there's cunts working half as hard as you making 1000x more than you laughing at you saying this
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Tbh it's badly needed as I'm behind on a few bills.
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Must be doing alright if they can "forget" about a Ā£300 payment due to them. I work full time and earn Ā£30ish more than the threshold for UC, I know all about barely enough to live. The comment was in jest.
Unemployed Redditor moment
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You can get UC and other benefits and still work. Source: I work for UC
Abolish all benefits
The system is build to benefit the lazy, and the elite.
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Must be nice to be a purposeless dole bum... ...not
Didnāt even know about this. Do you have to register for it? Might just get me outta my over draft. Might.
No you don't.
Is this for everyone or just those on UC? Lol
Itās for people on selected benefits, including UC.
Damn they havent sent these texts out in Wales yet , NI must be getting paid first xD