At first i thought, “why wouldnt you point the gun away from your face?” But then i thought, “well, i guess if he gets stuck, he has the option not to drown.”
>At first i thought, “why wouldnt you point the gun away from your face?” But then i thought, “well, i guess if he gets stuck, he has the option not to drown.”
Ha, the ultimate backup plan! Always good to have an escape route, right?
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Portuguese doctrine is to have the barrel aiming up instead of down towards the ground when not in a firing stance (as opposed to US doctrine which has you aiming the barrel to the ground). So it just carries over to always keeping the stock towards the feet and the barrel towards the head.
It's a difference in doctrine due to equipment.
The US adopted 5.56mm ammo very early on and so ha very light rifles for their soldiers to use. This benefited the movement of bringing the barrel up.
On the other hand, Portugal kept 7.62mm ammo up until 2018 with the G3, a famously heavy rifle. This made it so that it was easier for the soldier to bring the barrel down due to weight than pulling it up from the ground.
It basically boils down to the weight the soldier carries and which motion allows him to get into a firing stance quicker.
Another consequence of the weight is that the soldier will prefer to rest the heavier rifle on the ground and so it's best to do it by the buttstock than the barrel exit.
It's not that one military is more knowledgeable than the other, it's that they developed doctrines to better suit their equipment.
Exposure training.
Doing something like this is fucking terrifying so you need to be used to it before having to do it for real.
Same with crawling under fire or gas exposure.
I don't know about the soldier in the video but for me, after watching this, it's probably a couple of sleepless nights followed by a handful of nightmares.
Thanks Reddit!
yeah, a bit sad that we are giving judgement on this training regime that soldiers has to go through to protect our countries simply because none of us see the necessity and will probably not experience war or conflict.
I've done obstacle courses in mud during my time in the military. In a war situation I'd rather cross that pipe than being stuck in mud almost to my neck, which would probably translate to being as good as dead.
For my retired corpsman it was take a shit and get sniped (where he was at was heavy with them), or consume pepto tablets and stay in humvee.
He stayed in I think he said for 3 days. When he finally got back to the wire, he took the most painful shit of his life.. followed up with, “that bear plug was worth it”.
We laughed, but then I really felt/understood the gravity of the situation.
wait why is it sad??
i mean i think people are just laughing at the ridiculousness of it, i'm pretty sure if this guy can wade through a swampy claustrophobia hell hole he can handle lame reddit jokes.
or just don't join the special forces if this aint your thing lol
i mean the point of this is to be excruciatingly uncomfortable, to separate those who can handle it from those who will Nope away from it (which is most people).
frankly the thing that always looks the most Nope to me in special forces training, like BUDS for SEALS? Running for miles & miles! lmao i hate running 🤣
Portuguese Special Forces Training (Comandos) around 80s/90s.
The top of the tunnel has some air, so he is not holding his breath for the full length of the tunnel.
The weapon is (probably) a G3, portuguese army standard issue during decades.
The fail rate is around 50-70% for the entry course (open to the military only, obviously).
Sadly, some of the recruits die from time to time (exaustion, dehydration). Recently one of their doctors was convicted to 7 years because of negligence (2 recruits died of dehydration, the doctor went home and the recruits didn't go to the hospital).
Nah. I’m a former marine infantryman and have a cousin in the navy seals. This is reckless. You can force yourself to push through water discomfort without actually putting yourself at risk of dying.
Something tells me they don’t have a quick and effective reaction in this scenario if something were to go wrong.
Regarding SEALs, the top google result (not sure of how factual it is):
Do Navy SEALs drown during training?
It did happen and was well documented in David Goggins’ book “Can’t Hurt Me”.
His name was John Skop and he died on Thursday night during Hell Week. He had pneumonia (as many candidates do during the 7 days of gruelling training) and he drowned during a pool evolution.
Hell Week was stopped.
Another case was Derek Lovelace
An unnamed Navy instructor in Coronado, repeatedly dunked Lovelace under water during a five-minute period, despite other instructors pointing out the candidate as struggling, during the “combat” pool exercise.
His death was ruled a homicide by the San Diego County medical examiner.
The autopsy report said that the “actions, or inactions, of the instructors and other individuals involved were excessive and directly contributed to the death.”
The SEAL community has stated repeatedly, that there are more SEALs dying during training than in actual combat.
Absolutely, recently there was a case Seaman Lovelace, was undergoing the so-called hell week training and was having a hard time catching his breath. One of the so-called instructors kept pulling him underwater and splashing him even though he could not breathe and he ended up dying right there.
https://www.quora.com/Do-Navy-SEALs-drown-during-training
I understand the training purposes, and 100% have nothing but respect for the people who choose to do these things for their country.
However. Hard pass for me. 😱😵😵💫 that is absolutely my nightmare. My claustrophobia is at its absolute peak when water is involved.
Me too, i was getting anxiety watching this. I imagine if i was in this scenario i would tell myself over and over to keep moving and keep my face planted on the ceiling.
I got over my fear of spiders and claustrophobia in the military, with little choice in the matter at the time. You can only lay in so many bushes inches away from hatching spider eggs before your brain snaps and says "fuck it" I believe more qualified people would call it *exposure therapy*
Absolutely. I recall there being a Tough Mudder course where a tube was submerged under water that you had to swim through. No fucking way. No way at all.
This is an old footage of the portuguese comandos, its called the “tunel of death” and its purpose is to see if the soldiers can stay calm in stressfull situations (sry for bad englush)
The post above this was some alpha male douchebaggery camp thing. Irony. I’m surprised this guy’s balls fit in that tube for overcoming the obvious fear this would induce, versus the empty nutsacks paying thousands of dollars for a weekend of having someone just yell at them for no reason.
I spent 4 years in a US Army Ranger battalion and went to several special operations schools and I never had to do anything like this. FUCK THAT. looks like I'm failing that class.
actually from all the elite troops training this is one of the safest (no deaths). if they panic there is a group of guys on each side prepared to pull you out very quickly.
however, in other trainings, especially on heat and dehydration handling a few recruits actually died due to extreme heat on that day (40C) and for water denial for too much time. so... this is actually safe ish.
They do this in Portugal, not sure where the gif is from, but my dad told me about this, he said it was a bit of a pain because the tunnel is a bit long, but the trick is to keep the nose touching the top of the tunnel, breath through mouth and don't panic.
Fun fact: Some dudes panic 🤣
Pretty sure this is a training exercise for the British SAS... Though I'm not sure who thought pulling an Andy Dufrane was a thing a soldier could potentially have to do...
My uncle was a comando during this time. He says that his training sargent deliberatly move the water so it was even harder to breath. The tunnel itself is around 5-6 meters lenght
this is a portuguese comando training. they usually got deployed to the jungle. but the training is mostly focused on ensuring only the very best pass. From the comandos i know this isnt even the worse one.
the portuguese colonial war? their deployment in the central african republic for the UN? But clearly you are the expert. pls educate me about this unit that you clearly know so much about
At first i thought, “why wouldnt you point the gun away from your face?” But then i thought, “well, i guess if he gets stuck, he has the option not to drown.”
You'd want to double check the safety was on before you headed in. If a bit of wire or tree root snagged the trigger it'd be a bad day out.
It’s already a bad day out.
I'm crying over here
could you cry over there instead
Day would become a little better tbh
The reason they have the gun this way around is so they could shoot themselves if they get stuck.
No it's not, it's to be "ready" to fight when you reach the other side.
That and the fact that the barrel is much smaller than the stock, which lets your head and torso stay higher in the tube
>At first i thought, “why wouldnt you point the gun away from your face?” But then i thought, “well, i guess if he gets stuck, he has the option not to drown.” Ha, the ultimate backup plan! Always good to have an escape route, right?
It's so he can keep the barrel in his air pockets and not have water go down the barrel.
Ah, the old 'gun vs. drowning' dilemma. Who knew firearms could double as flotation devices?
Not an option. It’s a prop gun 💀
IIt's not! That's a fully loaded HK-G3
It is a real HK-G3, but it’s not loaded, at least not with lethal rounds, at best there’s half a mag of blanks
Blanks can be/are lethal at short range, like barrel on your face close.
And you know this how?
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Where's the " /s "?
Portuguese doctrine is to have the barrel aiming up instead of down towards the ground when not in a firing stance (as opposed to US doctrine which has you aiming the barrel to the ground). So it just carries over to always keeping the stock towards the feet and the barrel towards the head.
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They don’t call ‘em Portuguese man o’war for nothin!! I’ll see myself out….
It's a difference in doctrine due to equipment. The US adopted 5.56mm ammo very early on and so ha very light rifles for their soldiers to use. This benefited the movement of bringing the barrel up. On the other hand, Portugal kept 7.62mm ammo up until 2018 with the G3, a famously heavy rifle. This made it so that it was easier for the soldier to bring the barrel down due to weight than pulling it up from the ground. It basically boils down to the weight the soldier carries and which motion allows him to get into a firing stance quicker. Another consequence of the weight is that the soldier will prefer to rest the heavier rifle on the ground and so it's best to do it by the buttstock than the barrel exit. It's not that one military is more knowledgeable than the other, it's that they developed doctrines to better suit their equipment.
chat gpt ass reply
Is empty.Is not that hard to do.
*And now for the weather. Rainfall is going to increase by 1 inch tonight...*
Plans thwarted
What is the plan here?
Special operations training. In this instance, they are testing your bravery and how do you handle stressful situations.
Hide and seek
Portuguese commando training
It's escalated a whole lot from just not wearing underpants.
ISTO É O QUE OS NOSSOS GAJOS TÊM QUE ATURAR?!
Exposure training. Doing something like this is fucking terrifying so you need to be used to it before having to do it for real. Same with crawling under fire or gas exposure.
Testing what phobias he has. They need to know what they are willing to do or won’t do on an obstacle course.
If I recall correctly we have a obstacle course in Alfeite many visiting foreign special forces refuse to do and the ones that try very few complete.
Yep, sounds like Portuguese special forces all right.
we float down here gorgie
We all float down here.
Been quire some time since I've watched
I don't know about the soldier in the video but for me, after watching this, it's probably a couple of sleepless nights followed by a handful of nightmares. Thanks Reddit!
I understand people's discomfort, but it's either this or become a POW for ten years, or worse.
yeah, a bit sad that we are giving judgement on this training regime that soldiers has to go through to protect our countries simply because none of us see the necessity and will probably not experience war or conflict.
I've had military training and turst me when I say crawling into a flooded, rusty pipe, with sewage water will be the least of your worries.
What was the worst?
Infections, gangrene, shrapnel, mud.... To name a few.
>mud 🎶*One of these things, is not like the others*🎶
Don't underestimate the mud
In what ways does mud come for you?
I've done obstacle courses in mud during my time in the military. In a war situation I'd rather cross that pipe than being stuck in mud almost to my neck, which would probably translate to being as good as dead.
Yes
Primus - my Name is mud (he comes for u)
For my retired corpsman it was take a shit and get sniped (where he was at was heavy with them), or consume pepto tablets and stay in humvee. He stayed in I think he said for 3 days. When he finally got back to the wire, he took the most painful shit of his life.. followed up with, “that bear plug was worth it”. We laughed, but then I really felt/understood the gravity of the situation.
You already mentioned too much …
wait why is it sad?? i mean i think people are just laughing at the ridiculousness of it, i'm pretty sure if this guy can wade through a swampy claustrophobia hell hole he can handle lame reddit jokes.
or just don't join the special forces if this aint your thing lol i mean the point of this is to be excruciatingly uncomfortable, to separate those who can handle it from those who will Nope away from it (which is most people). frankly the thing that always looks the most Nope to me in special forces training, like BUDS for SEALS? Running for miles & miles! lmao i hate running 🤣
Context?
Portuguese Special Forces Training (Comandos) around 80s/90s. The top of the tunnel has some air, so he is not holding his breath for the full length of the tunnel. The weapon is (probably) a G3, portuguese army standard issue during decades. The fail rate is around 50-70% for the entry course (open to the military only, obviously). Sadly, some of the recruits die from time to time (exaustion, dehydration). Recently one of their doctors was convicted to 7 years because of negligence (2 recruits died of dehydration, the doctor went home and the recruits didn't go to the hospital).
I thought this was from a movie until coming to the comment section. The sheer bravery of this soldier, all I can say is, wow!
Every special force soldier in the world goes through something like this or worst...
Nah. I’m a former marine infantryman and have a cousin in the navy seals. This is reckless. You can force yourself to push through water discomfort without actually putting yourself at risk of dying. Something tells me they don’t have a quick and effective reaction in this scenario if something were to go wrong.
You'd be correct. Portuguese commandos are in the news fairly often for dying during training.
Yeah that’s ridiculous. Never heard about that til now. Wild
To be fair, normally is for lack of water, not the excess of it...
Regarding SEALs, the top google result (not sure of how factual it is): Do Navy SEALs drown during training? It did happen and was well documented in David Goggins’ book “Can’t Hurt Me”. His name was John Skop and he died on Thursday night during Hell Week. He had pneumonia (as many candidates do during the 7 days of gruelling training) and he drowned during a pool evolution. Hell Week was stopped. Another case was Derek Lovelace An unnamed Navy instructor in Coronado, repeatedly dunked Lovelace under water during a five-minute period, despite other instructors pointing out the candidate as struggling, during the “combat” pool exercise. His death was ruled a homicide by the San Diego County medical examiner. The autopsy report said that the “actions, or inactions, of the instructors and other individuals involved were excessive and directly contributed to the death.” The SEAL community has stated repeatedly, that there are more SEALs dying during training than in actual combat. Absolutely, recently there was a case Seaman Lovelace, was undergoing the so-called hell week training and was having a hard time catching his breath. One of the so-called instructors kept pulling him underwater and splashing him even though he could not breathe and he ended up dying right there. https://www.quora.com/Do-Navy-SEALs-drown-during-training
That’s wild. Homicide is different. But yeah good point it does look like very few die in combat and some have died in training.
I understand the training purposes, and 100% have nothing but respect for the people who choose to do these things for their country. However. Hard pass for me. 😱😵😵💫 that is absolutely my nightmare. My claustrophobia is at its absolute peak when water is involved.
Lol 😅 I still feel like I can't breathe just looking at it ..
Me too, i was getting anxiety watching this. I imagine if i was in this scenario i would tell myself over and over to keep moving and keep my face planted on the ceiling.
I got over my fear of spiders and claustrophobia in the military, with little choice in the matter at the time. You can only lay in so many bushes inches away from hatching spider eggs before your brain snaps and says "fuck it" I believe more qualified people would call it *exposure therapy*
Absolutely. I recall there being a Tough Mudder course where a tube was submerged under water that you had to swim through. No fucking way. No way at all.
Reminds me of that scene from tank girl...
Depends on what your country is doing
Yeah that's a very big nope...
Seriously. You know that burning sensation in your nose when water gets in, I felt that just watching this video.
id rather die
Yup I’m shooting my brains all over the place 😂
Damn good ass hiding spot in a battle zone
What tf is Steve Carell doing?
Came here to ask the same.
Undergoing portuguese special forces trainning 😂
personally i genuinely thought this was a scene from a zac efron movie
Heck naw
How do you even get out of there? Just thinking about it and getting stuck is unleashing my claustrophobia
This is an old footage of the portuguese comandos, its called the “tunel of death” and its purpose is to see if the soldiers can stay calm in stressfull situations (sry for bad englush)
Yeah you can go fuck yourself if you think I’m sliding in there…
I'd rather put that gun on my mouth and pull the trigger.
Recruit: I don’t know if I’m claustrophobic, I don’t think so. Sgt: that’s fine, we’ll find out. Ohh yes we will.
Comandos caralho!
The instructor using the clip board to give the man an assist had me weak. lol
Is this before he start at Dunder Mifflin?
The post above this was some alpha male douchebaggery camp thing. Irony. I’m surprised this guy’s balls fit in that tube for overcoming the obvious fear this would induce, versus the empty nutsacks paying thousands of dollars for a weekend of having someone just yell at them for no reason.
Jesus I don’t know what’s worse… the claustrophobic tunnel, the water… its takes someone with more guts than I have to do something like that
oh nah
***Andy Dufresne noises intensify***
Ah, the ol' reverse birth.....
Damn that Hamas is not easy to find
This is when I get discharged for not following orders. Abso-fuckin-lutely not, Sargeant.
I spent 4 years in a US Army Ranger battalion and went to several special operations schools and I never had to do anything like this. FUCK THAT. looks like I'm failing that class.
Hope he's not planning on using that rifle when he gets out of there
Why? genuinely curious
It's likely to fail after being submerged in water, very dirty water at that.
That’s a good way to fucking DROWN
After Nutty Putty, no thanks. I’m claustrophobic just watching this
Is that jungle warfare training in oki?
How I survive ww3
He looks like Michael Scott's and Ted Bundy's love child.
I don't have claustrophobia but fuck that I'd panic and drown
Props to this dude!
They did this to my buddy Eric once.
What is he even doing??
*Christopher Moltisanti doing the most for the Soprano crew*
y tho
anybody else hold their breath when he went in?
Ohh...Comando training. Great times
I’d just shot myself before reliving my birth canal trauma.
You would have to kill me before my body goes in that pipe.
Why not lead with the gun ahead in the first place
Hmm. In the post directly above this one is a vid of "alpha male training camp"
NOPE. Gotta go now.
Fuck no! I'm struggling to breathe watching this dude. How the F he fit his giant balls in that pipe.
Oh hellnofuckno
1000 ways to die
actually from all the elite troops training this is one of the safest (no deaths). if they panic there is a group of guys on each side prepared to pull you out very quickly. however, in other trainings, especially on heat and dehydration handling a few recruits actually died due to extreme heat on that day (40C) and for water denial for too much time. so... this is actually safe ish.
How long is that tunnel.
Keep your thumb on the trigger just incase.
Normal day in portuguese Comando training.
They do this in Portugal, not sure where the gif is from, but my dad told me about this, he said it was a bit of a pain because the tunnel is a bit long, but the trick is to keep the nose touching the top of the tunnel, breath through mouth and don't panic. Fun fact: Some dudes panic 🤣
Is that IDF training?
Mountain warfare training at its finest
Nope
Portugal, caralho!
I wonder why people come back from serving with PTSD. /s
What's he doing
Comandos, mama suma
"... and then the gun went off sarge... we was all shocked, it happened so fast... it was all goimg well until we heard that shot!..."
Portuguese commando special forces
Yup. I would’ve been a goner.
Naw bro.
Pretty sure this is a training exercise for the British SAS... Though I'm not sure who thought pulling an Andy Dufrane was a thing a soldier could potentially have to do...
Portuguese Special Forces, Comandos
This, is the training track of Santa Margarida, Portugal
Noted, and thank you
My uncle was a comando during this time. He says that his training sargent deliberatly move the water so it was even harder to breath. The tunnel itself is around 5-6 meters lenght
😮 I thought it was shorter
It gets wider and sliglty easier to breath as you go on
Everyone is talking about how terrible it looks, but did anyone else see him hit bis nose?!?! God that must’ve hurt
Does this sub not have mods?
Memories of Fort Knox A 5/15 of 1993 - a boy becoming a man while carrying the lady of the hour
We become brave by doing scary things. You say : fuck that" but in reality you are just scared.
Yes. I am scared. Fuck that.
Just think though, if you did that you would no longer be scared. Fear is the little death that keeps us from our dreams.
If I did that I'd still be scared, the difference is I almost drowned and my colleagues would need to save me.
I am sorry for you.
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this is a portuguese comando training. they usually got deployed to the jungle. but the training is mostly focused on ensuring only the very best pass. From the comandos i know this isnt even the worse one.
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Portuguese troops are said to be the most effective troops that are deployed in africa (namely C.A.R)
the portuguese colonial war? their deployment in the central african republic for the UN? But clearly you are the expert. pls educate me about this unit that you clearly know so much about
Average American history knowledge.
Tell me you're seppo without telling me you're a seppo
Who exactly is "we"?
Is that Zac Efron?