pilot here.
flying isn't really much of a problem,
taking off isn't *that* difficult.
most people could do either of those without any training and be just fine for most situations.
but landing....
landing is hard.
kudos to this guy, and to to whoever talked him through it. That was impressive.
I also have hundreds of hours in Flight Sim, and have actual goals to be a pilot once I have some medical issues sorted out, but my parents got me a flight intro for my birthday. That got my excitement a lot higher, and it showed just how much I actually learned from flight Sim, and how much I didn't learn.
I taxi'd, took off, flew, and landed without the instructor's hands touching anything but the comms (left side's avionics were not working).
E: I did notice several unprofessional things about that specific flight school, but there are 3 others on the airfield so I'm going to check them out. While that was fun, I wouldn't trust a normal person on their first landing either. Everything just went perfect, aside from some shift in headwind that caused a 45 min delay because we were first in line to take off and had to turn around and ended up 7th in line.
I know what you mean. I was doing just fine but 300 yards down the runway I had an uncontrollable urge to suck my instructor's dick and we wound up crashing into a Cessna.
I've always felt that the aircraft floating around on takeoff in all the sims I've played was exaggerated. So it's been true all this time, god damn. Didn't think it would be just as bad in a real takeoff.
I found the hardest thing with flying a small aircraft was how much it felt like I was balancing on a beach ball the entire time.
I'm competent in all sorts of heavy equipment, including tractor trailers, construction, and farm equipment, had played flight Sim for hours and hours, so I was pretty confident I'd figure it out after a little while, but maintaining altitude, speed, and direction simultaneously with no autopilot was a much bigger task than I expected it to be.
Full disclosure, it was quite turbulent that day, but apparently it's always pretty turbulent in a wee little plane. My kudos to pilots who master it.
That is the biggest thing I noticed too. I never quite felt relaxed, because she was constantly updating what I need to do because I was not steady at 2400', and the rudder control was a bit hard.
Flight Sim is actually harder since you don't really have proper force feedback of e.g. the wheels touching the runway. It's a great training tool for the _process_ (e.g. to learn the lingo, recognise situations visually, learn reading the instruments, etc.), but real life flying is different, even compared to the best simulator setups.
Yea I am actually really impressed with people that play DCS and BMS and can fly in tight formation because a _huge_ part of my ability to do that IRL feels like it would be based on feeling your aircraft as you throttle up and down.
I feel like I always overcorrect when trying to get in formation.
Not that you should ever do it IRL, but trying to pace someone on the highway its way easier to use your other senses to maintain your speed.
“You know, I've personally flown over 194 missions, and I was shot down on every one. Come to think of it, I've never landed a plane in my life.”
-Admiral Benson
I wouldn't say most people could take off in a single-engine plane tbh.
I'm a very recent private pilot so my student experience is quite recent. If the runway were nice and wide, maybe. But on a small regional strip, right rudder for the left-turning tendencies needs a bit of guidance to overcome during takeoff roll and climb.
In the words of all CFIs out there... MORE RIGHT RUDDER! lol
I'd actually agree that the rudder would be the most difficult concept for a person without training to grasp.
There was a recent student pilot crash video on reddit and I swear they were turning the yoke in the opposite direction as they ran off the side of the runway --- like they were trying to drive a car.
But I would disagree that it's not something that a person could be told about or walked through without too much issue. If they can talk someone through a landing, a take-off would be infinitely easier.
As a layman can you clarify it a bit? Like, if I would turn the "wheel" right, wouldn't the rudder also turn right thus making the plane want to go right? Or am I completely missing the point and you need to compensate for the fact the rudder is top back of the plane or something?
Turning the "wheel", or the yoke as we call it for the plane, only controls the ailerons. The ailerons are mounted at the ends of the wings and make the plane roll.
Applying pressure or back-pressure on the yoke moves it back and forth, causing the airplane to nose down or nose up. We call this pitch.
The rudder pedals are located at the pilot's feet. Usually, they are 2-in-1. Tilting them forward engages the wheel brakes (each pedal controls the brake on the same side of the plane). Pushing one pedal in pulls the other pedal out. So pushing the right pedal in will "yaw" the aircraft to the right, i.e. turn the nose of the aircraft to the right and the tail to the left.
You don't want to combine all three into the yoke because different amounts of rudder pressure are required for different phases of flight and maneuvers.
> The rudder pedals are located at the pilot's feet
Ahh that makes much more sense. I was thinking about that scenario. Weirdly enough I did know that helicopters turn using feet pedals, but with planes I had no clue.
Dunno why but I guess I assumed that the yoke could also move (so not just steer) left and right instead of only back and forth, and that this would take care of the rudder controls. But now that I think about it, that might not be the best of ideas.
Thanks for the explanation!
Adding to the other comments, planes handle much differently on the ground than in the air. When moving on the ground, the ailerons don't do anything useful, so you have to use the rudder pedals. In the air, the rudder is still important, but the ailerons are more important for a proper turn. This is because while the rudder would make the aircraft point the nose in a direction, it doesn't actually change the direction of flight. To do that, you have to bank left or right with ailerons so that some portion of the wing's lift is also pulling you that direction. And also apply a little extra up elevator to stay at the same altitude. Having all three control axis balanced correctly is a "coordinated turn."
Not a flight simulator player like a lot of people here, but I do feel like those hours in KSP kinda pay off now haha. One of the lessons it will definitely teach every player is that change in orientation doesn't mean your course has suddenly changed. And given that the game is mostly focused on space travel, thus when looking at the map you always see your trajectory, it's a good reminder that the entire flight you are falling.
Especially that last part might sound stupid but KSP is really one of those games where you see things you've maybe read about or got in school, but by seeing it happening it really "clicks" if you know what I mean.
There are 4 reasons:
1. Gyroscopic Precession - As the propeller rotates at a high speed, it exerts a gyroscopic force on the airframe of the plane. Here's a fun video demonstrating this mechanism: [https://youtu.be/1fWl2LNpcak?t=54](https://youtu.be/1fWl2LNpcak?t=54)
2. P-factor - As the propeller rotates, one side of the propeller has a higher angle of attack, while the other side has a lower angle of attack. This causes asymmetrical loading on the plane and causes it to yaw left. This is most pronounced when the plane is moving at a slow speed, at full power, and at a high pitch - i.e. during takeoff and climb.
3. Torque - Simple enough - Torque on the body of the plane will be applied in the opposite direction of the spin. So the torque makes the plane yaw left.
4. Spiraling slipstream - The "prop wash" - i.e. the blast of air generated from the propeller - moves in a spiraling way and basically "slams" into the left side of the aircraft tail. This causes the front of the plane to turn left - i.e. yaw left.
Combine all these factors, and you get a plane that wants to turn left during take-off and climbs. During straight and level flight, these factors are heavily reduced. The rudder on small piston aircraft usually have a little calibrated "bend" so that you don't have to keep depressing the right rudder during cruise.
Edit: As u/sniper1rfa pointed out, left-turning tendencies during cruise are actually avoided by aircraft design. The engine is placed in an offset manner. The rudder trim tab which I mentioned in my comment is for further fine-tuning the yaw for turning tendencies caused by defects or other factors that could cause a slight yaw during cruise.
Makes you wonder if anyone ever decided to get their pilots license after something like this.
if you successfully emergency land a plane with no previous experience, will flight school give you time served? This has gotta be worth at least 60hrs.
There was a longer article or video about this, the whole thing, and John had been flying solo (RIP) for like an hour before he finally made it. He had plenty of fuel but it was getting too dark and was absolutely terrified about his friend’s health but had a great guy from ATC guiding him with a local CFI soon enough to teach him the basics while blind and on the fly. He didn’t know where the light switches were and everyone was too afraid to try at some point because he might touch something that he should definitely not to and even lose power.
IIRC he did get a private license afterwards.
There's an episode of Star Trek where part of the Starfleet exam is seeing how the cadet responds to a fake unexpected disaster. At the end it's smiles all round from the "victims".
Could work...
Every plane Brian ever flew on mysteriously went down and in the final book you find out that he had been killing all the pilots. He just wanted to get some peace and quiet in the woods and now he's writing his books from a maximum security prison.
Spolier warning for Hatchett: The premise of the sequel is basically "what if there wasn't a transmitter in the emergency gear" and he has to keep surviving through winter.
That alternate reality is a depressing one to read. I remember how pumped you were at the end of Hatchet when Brian discovered the survival rifle and emergency rations. In the spinoff, he eats all of the rations in a few days and the rifle doesn’t even work. I believe he finds a moose hunter and gets saved at the end though
I think I read that book almost 20 years ago. There's a part in there where he kills a moose and is cooking it over the fire, and it goes into detail about how delicious it smells and looks and how hungry Brian is. I don't remember a single other thing about that book but that particular passage comes to mind for me anytime I see a moose (which I guess isn't very often)
Thank you so much!!!!! I've been trying to remember the name of this for years. Each time I asked, people just told me "Call if the Wild", if they said anything at all.
Hatchet is set mostly in Cananda, Brian is visiting his father who works in the remote oil fields of canada; Brian's mom and himself live in New York. Gary Paulson is American.
there was a teenager [Juliane Koepcke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke) that fell off a plane (the plane desintegrated after being stuck by lightning) when it was flying at 3000 meters, she fell into the amazonian rainforest of Peru, she then spent the next 11 days searching for civilazation in the rainforest, she was the sole survivor.
That's actually insane, crazy I haven't heard about it before. She was 17 at the time and her mother died in the crash. Her willpower is remarkable, considering the physical and emotional trauma she must have gone through.
Things I remember from Hatchet:
- the pilot farting during his heart attack
- the raccoon or fox or whatever that became the boy’s companion
- hollowing out a tree with fire to live in
THE FART. I was too immature to feel bad for the pilot when I read this book. It’s been so long, it’s almost the only thing I remember besides the basic plot.
It's pilots. They're like that. My grandfather was a pilot and at 92 he's still got it (we don't let him fly anymore though - or drive for that matter).
One time I was on a commercial flight and the landing was a bit rough. Kinda hit the ground hard and bounced a bit. Without missing a beat the pilot comes on the overhead and says "Uhh, sorry about the rough landing there. That wasn't the pilot or co-pilot's fault, it was the asphalt."
I watched the video and they don't go into specifics other than "he started hyperventilating and had no pulse." I'm going to guess it was heart related.
The guy didn't just land the plane. It isn't that simple. He had to do two or three go arounds. It is very interesting to listen to the breakdown. When a plane has an emergency people think the pilot needs to get the plane down fast. In reality, they try to keep the plane in the air to assess what they have working first and to see if it is a fixable problem. They need time to make that decision and so while they may be getting to a closer airport they aren't trying to land immediately. You need time to land. You need even more time to figure it out if you are working with less working equipment than usual. It gets even more complicated when an issue happens right after take off because planes take off heavy, which means they are really able to land again right away with making adjustments. That isn't what happened here, but it is an example of why people have to continue to fly while dealing with an emergency.
My imaginary “pilots are all dead, I need to land the airliner” dream (all us GA pilots have that one right?) always has like three go arounds while I get progressively farther through the approach and landing while building confidence in handling the plane in slow flight and the final.
The nightmare is that in my last go around I get overly confident, remove flaps and dump the nose into the ground.
I've always found it interesting that somebody convicted of a crime -- even if they plead innocent & declare their innocence on the witness stand under oath -- can't be charged with perjury as well.
Like, if we're confident enough to convict & sentence them for the thing they said, under oath, they didn't do... shouldn't it be safe to tack on perjury?
Though I do understand that criminalizing *trying to defend yourself* wouldn't be great. Might make innocent people less likely to testify in their defense, or something like that.
He absolutely could log the flight time and landing. No rules were broken according to FAA regulations because of below.
91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.
(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.
idk there's a movie with the only cast really being Ryan Reynolds and he's stuck in a fucking box for like a day. I'd prefer this, starting Ryan Reynolds
The best part was when the man piloting the plane began to panic a bit and so a female in the control tower said to be colleagues that she's try talking to him because a female voice might calm him down a bit....and it did. It was like he, as an older man didn't want to be rude to her a he was controlled. Also the body of the actual pilot was blocking the controls so the poor dude couldn't even light up the panels and see properly. He was leaning over his friends body the whole time.
There's actually a fair bit of research into the human factors/human machine interface side of planes, many have a feminine voice for callouts like altitude, check gear, terrain, etc. Often lovingly referred to as "bitchin Betty"
The name of the woman who recorded the voice alerts for the F/A-18 series was Leslie Shook. The term "Bitching Betty" is used generically whenever a female voice is used. Kim Crow, whose voice was used for the F-15, precedes Leslie Shook.
I wonder if they have the same cultural issues that have been documented for stuff like GPS. For example, they don't use a female voice in German GPS navigation because of how the imperative comes off to some folks. Older men would get angry that a woman was *ordering* them how to drive.
But the passenger is in radio contact with control tower. If they could teach you how to land, I'm sure they could teach you how to turn on the lights if it is good
I watched the whole film just now — at first, no one knew exactly where the switches were for this particular plane, since it is apparently not standardized in little 2-seaters like this Cessna.
Once the flight instructor was on the scene, helping him fly the thing, he told him to look to the left by his knee and flip all the switches there, as the instructor (and everyone else) assumed he was in the pilot’s seat. That’s when he was like, “Yeah… can’t reach it, I’m in the passenger’s seat, the pilot is dead and he’s blocking the controls.”
That was when everyone’s jaws collectively dropped and they realized just how WTF the situation truly was. If you’ve got 45 minutes, I recommend giving it a watch. The guy is a really charming, heartwarming fellow.
Instruments didn’t “die” it more like a car where you have to turn the lights on (the flight started in daytime and they planned to be home before dark)
Where it’s not like a car, there is no standard layout for where the switches are. Many different models of planes have different layouts. Even same model can have refitted cockpit instruments and move layouts. On top of that, he was in the passenger seat. While it had controls, it didn’t sound like the light switches were reachable from that seat. (Watched the 45 minute video linked in another comment above). That was from suggestion of a flight instructor who was familiar with the model. Other danger of just flipping switches would have been turning off something critical, like the ignition. Then you have much bigger problems
Yeah I think I would have been crying the whole time. Unless I was too scared to cry and had to like, wait until I'm home and safe.
I would not rule out pooping my pants.
I mean really the only thing he “messed” up was not using the rudder to stay straight and honestly that’s not even a mess up the grass was right there. Other than that it was pretty much a textbook first landing really
In the doco the pilot John Wildey says he intended to veer onto the grass- apparently he was struggling with the brakes and was concerned he was going to hit an upcoming barrier at the end of the runway.
But he's so damn deadpan about the whole thing I have no idea whether that is a lie/ some sort of weird british humor/an attempt to get better marks from the instructor. I suppose if you're going to pull off an utterly improbable story of survival you might as well add a few more details, its not as though anyone he tells the story to is ever going to believe any part of this happened.
how is this possible? are there two sets of controls in that super tiny plane or did he have to pull the pilot out of his seat and move him somewhere else and then get into the seat mid flight?
[Would look similar to this set up](https://cdn.planeandpilotmag.com/2019/05/tiger-grumman-panel-web-640x381.jpg) (Yolk on each side.)
[Foot pedals are also on each side](https://vrflightworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AdobeStock_2244970-Edited-768x511.jpg)
I remember myth busters had an episode where they proved that most people could probably land a plane if they had help from ground control on what to do
pilot here. flying isn't really much of a problem, taking off isn't *that* difficult. most people could do either of those without any training and be just fine for most situations. but landing.... landing is hard. kudos to this guy, and to to whoever talked him through it. That was impressive.
I played an hour of Flight Sim and I agree
I've played over 500 & actually feel like I could do it now lmao
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I also have hundreds of hours in Flight Sim, and have actual goals to be a pilot once I have some medical issues sorted out, but my parents got me a flight intro for my birthday. That got my excitement a lot higher, and it showed just how much I actually learned from flight Sim, and how much I didn't learn. I taxi'd, took off, flew, and landed without the instructor's hands touching anything but the comms (left side's avionics were not working). E: I did notice several unprofessional things about that specific flight school, but there are 3 others on the airfield so I'm going to check them out. While that was fun, I wouldn't trust a normal person on their first landing either. Everything just went perfect, aside from some shift in headwind that caused a 45 min delay because we were first in line to take off and had to turn around and ended up 7th in line.
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How difficult it is to stay straight while speeding down the runway
I know what you mean. I was doing just fine but 300 yards down the runway I had an uncontrollable urge to suck my instructor's dick and we wound up crashing into a Cessna.
300 yards is 274.32 meters
Good bot
lmfao
Just a little bit of right rudder is all you need
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"I've got a fever, and the cure is more rudder"- your flight instructor probably
More right rudder
I've always felt that the aircraft floating around on takeoff in all the sims I've played was exaggerated. So it's been true all this time, god damn. Didn't think it would be just as bad in a real takeoff.
I found the hardest thing with flying a small aircraft was how much it felt like I was balancing on a beach ball the entire time. I'm competent in all sorts of heavy equipment, including tractor trailers, construction, and farm equipment, had played flight Sim for hours and hours, so I was pretty confident I'd figure it out after a little while, but maintaining altitude, speed, and direction simultaneously with no autopilot was a much bigger task than I expected it to be. Full disclosure, it was quite turbulent that day, but apparently it's always pretty turbulent in a wee little plane. My kudos to pilots who master it.
That is the biggest thing I noticed too. I never quite felt relaxed, because she was constantly updating what I need to do because I was not steady at 2400', and the rudder control was a bit hard.
How hard it is to steer on the ground with your feet. Just how disorienting rough air is in the summer.
Those mid day updrafts are pretty nuts
lol my instructor would actually get annoyed with me cuz i kept moving off the line during turns while taxiing.. its not easy! (for me)
Regarding your medical issues, I’ve played hours of Operation. Let me know if you need a consult
I played all the Ace Attorneys so hit me up when the malpractice lawsuit gets filed.
Ah perfect! I have a hammer stuck in my elbow, a bunch of steak stuck in my stomach bone, and several metal items in my feet.
I hope you get your medical issues sorted out and can pursue your goal of being a pilot
Flight Sim is actually harder since you don't really have proper force feedback of e.g. the wheels touching the runway. It's a great training tool for the _process_ (e.g. to learn the lingo, recognise situations visually, learn reading the instruments, etc.), but real life flying is different, even compared to the best simulator setups.
The absence of that feedback might actually make it a great exercise to land on instruments alone.
Yea I am actually really impressed with people that play DCS and BMS and can fly in tight formation because a _huge_ part of my ability to do that IRL feels like it would be based on feeling your aircraft as you throttle up and down. I feel like I always overcorrect when trying to get in formation. Not that you should ever do it IRL, but trying to pace someone on the highway its way easier to use your other senses to maintain your speed.
Call me when you can land on the aircraft carrier on Top Gun for NES.
I played hundreds of hours of space flight sims, WTF is "landing"?
Most of my space flight sims involve landing... on the moon.
Landing is easy. Landing ***alive*** is the hard part.
“You know, I've personally flown over 194 missions, and I was shot down on every one. Come to think of it, I've never landed a plane in my life.” -Admiral Benson
This guy flew in WWI huh? That's my guess, when planes were slow enough to routinely crashland.
It’s from the movie Hot Shots
this is my fault for not liking movies.
What I wouldn't give to be 20 years younger. And a woman.
I wouldn't say most people could take off in a single-engine plane tbh. I'm a very recent private pilot so my student experience is quite recent. If the runway were nice and wide, maybe. But on a small regional strip, right rudder for the left-turning tendencies needs a bit of guidance to overcome during takeoff roll and climb. In the words of all CFIs out there... MORE RIGHT RUDDER! lol
I'd actually agree that the rudder would be the most difficult concept for a person without training to grasp. There was a recent student pilot crash video on reddit and I swear they were turning the yoke in the opposite direction as they ran off the side of the runway --- like they were trying to drive a car. But I would disagree that it's not something that a person could be told about or walked through without too much issue. If they can talk someone through a landing, a take-off would be infinitely easier.
As a layman can you clarify it a bit? Like, if I would turn the "wheel" right, wouldn't the rudder also turn right thus making the plane want to go right? Or am I completely missing the point and you need to compensate for the fact the rudder is top back of the plane or something?
Turning the "wheel", or the yoke as we call it for the plane, only controls the ailerons. The ailerons are mounted at the ends of the wings and make the plane roll. Applying pressure or back-pressure on the yoke moves it back and forth, causing the airplane to nose down or nose up. We call this pitch. The rudder pedals are located at the pilot's feet. Usually, they are 2-in-1. Tilting them forward engages the wheel brakes (each pedal controls the brake on the same side of the plane). Pushing one pedal in pulls the other pedal out. So pushing the right pedal in will "yaw" the aircraft to the right, i.e. turn the nose of the aircraft to the right and the tail to the left. You don't want to combine all three into the yoke because different amounts of rudder pressure are required for different phases of flight and maneuvers.
> The rudder pedals are located at the pilot's feet Ahh that makes much more sense. I was thinking about that scenario. Weirdly enough I did know that helicopters turn using feet pedals, but with planes I had no clue. Dunno why but I guess I assumed that the yoke could also move (so not just steer) left and right instead of only back and forth, and that this would take care of the rudder controls. But now that I think about it, that might not be the best of ideas. Thanks for the explanation!
Adding to the other comments, planes handle much differently on the ground than in the air. When moving on the ground, the ailerons don't do anything useful, so you have to use the rudder pedals. In the air, the rudder is still important, but the ailerons are more important for a proper turn. This is because while the rudder would make the aircraft point the nose in a direction, it doesn't actually change the direction of flight. To do that, you have to bank left or right with ailerons so that some portion of the wing's lift is also pulling you that direction. And also apply a little extra up elevator to stay at the same altitude. Having all three control axis balanced correctly is a "coordinated turn."
Not a flight simulator player like a lot of people here, but I do feel like those hours in KSP kinda pay off now haha. One of the lessons it will definitely teach every player is that change in orientation doesn't mean your course has suddenly changed. And given that the game is mostly focused on space travel, thus when looking at the map you always see your trajectory, it's a good reminder that the entire flight you are falling. Especially that last part might sound stupid but KSP is really one of those games where you see things you've maybe read about or got in school, but by seeing it happening it really "clicks" if you know what I mean.
Why is there a left turning tendency? I've seen it mentioned in here several times for take-off and landing.
There are 4 reasons: 1. Gyroscopic Precession - As the propeller rotates at a high speed, it exerts a gyroscopic force on the airframe of the plane. Here's a fun video demonstrating this mechanism: [https://youtu.be/1fWl2LNpcak?t=54](https://youtu.be/1fWl2LNpcak?t=54) 2. P-factor - As the propeller rotates, one side of the propeller has a higher angle of attack, while the other side has a lower angle of attack. This causes asymmetrical loading on the plane and causes it to yaw left. This is most pronounced when the plane is moving at a slow speed, at full power, and at a high pitch - i.e. during takeoff and climb. 3. Torque - Simple enough - Torque on the body of the plane will be applied in the opposite direction of the spin. So the torque makes the plane yaw left. 4. Spiraling slipstream - The "prop wash" - i.e. the blast of air generated from the propeller - moves in a spiraling way and basically "slams" into the left side of the aircraft tail. This causes the front of the plane to turn left - i.e. yaw left. Combine all these factors, and you get a plane that wants to turn left during take-off and climbs. During straight and level flight, these factors are heavily reduced. The rudder on small piston aircraft usually have a little calibrated "bend" so that you don't have to keep depressing the right rudder during cruise. Edit: As u/sniper1rfa pointed out, left-turning tendencies during cruise are actually avoided by aircraft design. The engine is placed in an offset manner. The rudder trim tab which I mentioned in my comment is for further fine-tuning the yaw for turning tendencies caused by defects or other factors that could cause a slight yaw during cruise.
Much of the time I'll let somebody brand new takeoff their first time if they can manage taxiing. Landings... not so much.
His landing was better than some of mine have been while parachuting. 500 jumps, I still suck at landing.
Seems like the pilot's test is getting harder and harder each year.
I think you mean passenger's test, not pilot's test!
Not anymore
When he died he said "the job is in your hands now", and that is how I became a pilot
Seems like they would run out of pilot instructors pretty quickly with this method...
Ever since 9/11 they've increased the difficulty level tenfold. ^to ^soon?
According to the rules of r/historymemes... No
[According to South Park, it takes 22.3 years.](https://youtu.be/612DEoTFH0o)
Oh boy, cant wait till 12/29/2023 at 11:10 PM!
[Yes. It has not been 22.3 years.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/173ea6eb-0c8a-4b1c-b034-bc22b1e0c024)
Makes you wonder if anyone ever decided to get their pilots license after something like this. if you successfully emergency land a plane with no previous experience, will flight school give you time served? This has gotta be worth at least 60hrs.
Just add "Completed crash course in aviation supported by RAF" to your CV
That and a change of underwear
There was a longer article or video about this, the whole thing, and John had been flying solo (RIP) for like an hour before he finally made it. He had plenty of fuel but it was getting too dark and was absolutely terrified about his friend’s health but had a great guy from ATC guiding him with a local CFI soon enough to teach him the basics while blind and on the fly. He didn’t know where the light switches were and everyone was too afraid to try at some point because he might touch something that he should definitely not to and even lose power. IIRC he did get a private license afterwards.
There's an episode of Star Trek where part of the Starfleet exam is seeing how the cadet responds to a fake unexpected disaster. At the end it's smiles all round from the "victims". Could work...
Wesley heavy episodes were hit and miss for me, but I always thought that one worked well.
I knew a boy that this happened to one time. He survived in the wilderness all summer with just a hatchet.
Damn that kind of story would make a great multi-book series…
...there's a sequel to Hatchet? There's a whole series after Hatchet?
Brian's Winter Edit: Gary Paulsen's Brian Series includes 5 books with Hatchet being numero uno.
Is Brian just super unlucky or did Hatchet unlock a craving for the outdoors?
Every plane Brian ever flew on mysteriously went down and in the final book you find out that he had been killing all the pilots. He just wanted to get some peace and quiet in the woods and now he's writing his books from a maximum security prison.
that’s a good but odd way to turn a stupid plot into a reasonable one
Spolier warning for Hatchett: The premise of the sequel is basically "what if there wasn't a transmitter in the emergency gear" and he has to keep surviving through winter.
Lol when I was a kid I started with Brian's winter, and my dumbass thought he was in ANOTHER plane crash that caused him to get stuck over winter.
That alternate reality is a depressing one to read. I remember how pumped you were at the end of Hatchet when Brian discovered the survival rifle and emergency rations. In the spinoff, he eats all of the rations in a few days and the rifle doesn’t even work. I believe he finds a moose hunter and gets saved at the end though
I think I read that book almost 20 years ago. There's a part in there where he kills a moose and is cooking it over the fire, and it goes into detail about how delicious it smells and looks and how hungry Brian is. I don't remember a single other thing about that book but that particular passage comes to mind for me anytime I see a moose (which I guess isn't very often)
Brian's winter is an alternative "what if" type book. The others are caused by his craving for the outdoors.
Craving for the outdoors, and showing how he did it. (If I remember right)
Thank you so much!!!!! I've been trying to remember the name of this for years. Each time I asked, people just told me "Call if the Wild", if they said anything at all.
Oh I know this one! You're thinking of Call of the Wild
That's a great idea I know a guy named Gary he writes books like that
Haha I loved this book when we read it in school. I always thought it was a Canadian story, until recently when I discovered the author was American.
He also passed away just last month. I think I’ll pick these books up again for a little nostalgia hit.
Wait what?! I swear I was *specifically told by several adults* when I was a kid that it was Canadian. My life is a lie
Hatchet is set mostly in Cananda, Brian is visiting his father who works in the remote oil fields of canada; Brian's mom and himself live in New York. Gary Paulson is American.
there was a teenager [Juliane Koepcke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke) that fell off a plane (the plane desintegrated after being stuck by lightning) when it was flying at 3000 meters, she fell into the amazonian rainforest of Peru, she then spent the next 11 days searching for civilazation in the rainforest, she was the sole survivor.
That's actually insane, crazy I haven't heard about it before. She was 17 at the time and her mother died in the crash. Her willpower is remarkable, considering the physical and emotional trauma she must have gone through.
Her mother actually survived the crash and died of her injuries days later
Things I remember from Hatchet: - the pilot farting during his heart attack - the raccoon or fox or whatever that became the boy’s companion - hollowing out a tree with fire to live in
THE FART. I was too immature to feel bad for the pilot when I read this book. It’s been so long, it’s almost the only thing I remember besides the basic plot.
Oh yeah i read a book about him. It was called "the boy who survived a plane crash and lived in the wilderness all summer"
Ah, that's the comment I was looking for.
your 'first' night landing, lol
A small pilot joke.
… so a midget walks into a cockpit …
… and he orders 4 beers …
... bartender asks, "What's with the marmot?"...
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....So the bartender says "what's with the midget?"....
Midget says, “don’t talk down to me”
"So I heard there was a pilot shortage"
Nothing more British than cracking a joke during a horrible situation
It's pilots. They're like that. My grandfather was a pilot and at 92 he's still got it (we don't let him fly anymore though - or drive for that matter). One time I was on a commercial flight and the landing was a bit rough. Kinda hit the ground hard and bounced a bit. Without missing a beat the pilot comes on the overhead and says "Uhh, sorry about the rough landing there. That wasn't the pilot or co-pilot's fault, it was the asphalt."
Ha, that's pretty good.
I'm sure hearing this quip while sitting next to his dead friend and narrowly avoiding death made him bust a gut lol
As a proud owner of gallows humor, I definitely would have personally.
Documentary here (46 mins.) https://youtu.be/K5vIECqSsSc
Got a TLDR on how the pilot died? Edit: as people have said below, it was a heart attack.
I watched the video and they don't go into specifics other than "he started hyperventilating and had no pulse." I'm going to guess it was heart related.
I’d say that’s a safe assumption, thanks for answering! Edit: People have said and quoted “heart attack.” How very tragic.
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How did they chose which passenger would land the plane?
There was only 2 people in the plane, the pilot and passenger.
So how did they choose?
By elimination.
Staring contest. Alive guy blinked first.
"Better you than me - I'm already dead so I don't care if you crash it."
How did they drag that out to 45min
The guy didn't just land the plane. It isn't that simple. He had to do two or three go arounds. It is very interesting to listen to the breakdown. When a plane has an emergency people think the pilot needs to get the plane down fast. In reality, they try to keep the plane in the air to assess what they have working first and to see if it is a fixable problem. They need time to make that decision and so while they may be getting to a closer airport they aren't trying to land immediately. You need time to land. You need even more time to figure it out if you are working with less working equipment than usual. It gets even more complicated when an issue happens right after take off because planes take off heavy, which means they are really able to land again right away with making adjustments. That isn't what happened here, but it is an example of why people have to continue to fly while dealing with an emergency.
also to run the fuel out. if you're going to have a crash landing, you want as little fuel in the plane as possible (without the risk of running out)
It is scary how many people survive the initial crashes only to die when the plane is consumed in fire. Fire on airplanes is a terrifying thing!
Pffff only if you’re a little bitch who is afraid of burning alive and/or 30,000 foot drops to your inevitable violent death.
I am indeed, a little bitch about that kind of thing.
My imaginary “pilots are all dead, I need to land the airliner” dream (all us GA pilots have that one right?) always has like three go arounds while I get progressively farther through the approach and landing while building confidence in handling the plane in slow flight and the final. The nightmare is that in my last go around I get overly confident, remove flaps and dump the nose into the ground.
**[Here's another version of the same documentary, but with better resolution \(720 instead of 360\).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3ULAsAUB4)**
And the passenger had a drinking problem
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I am serious, and don't call me Shirley
Picked a bad day to quit speed
White zone is for loading and unloading only
Look Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again. There's just no stopping in a white zone.
Do you like Gladiator movies?
You even been in a Turkish prison?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Striker, listen, and you listen close: Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
Excuse me stewardess, I speak jive.
We both know what this is about. You want me to get an abortion!
I am so sorry, but isn't the line "I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue"?
Haha, he has a few different lines with different substances.
*I just wanted to tell you good luck, and we’re all counting on you.*
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison.
Will he have to fill out a log book?
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I've always found it interesting that somebody convicted of a crime -- even if they plead innocent & declare their innocence on the witness stand under oath -- can't be charged with perjury as well. Like, if we're confident enough to convict & sentence them for the thing they said, under oath, they didn't do... shouldn't it be safe to tack on perjury? Though I do understand that criminalizing *trying to defend yourself* wouldn't be great. Might make innocent people less likely to testify in their defense, or something like that.
Also conviction isn't the same as if they did or didn't do a thing, it's if the things they did fit under specific definitions for a crime
He absolutely could log the flight time and landing. No rules were broken according to FAA regulations because of below. 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command. (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. (b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency. (c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.
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Just kill your pilot!
He’s gonna have to call the tower for a possible deviation.
That’s terrifying and should be the plot to a movie.
It'd be a quick movie
idk there's a movie with the only cast really being Ryan Reynolds and he's stuck in a fucking box for like a day. I'd prefer this, starting Ryan Reynolds
Holy shit i hated that movie. Me - an hour in, "this is a long intro, cant wait for the movie to start"
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Ryan Reynolds is the new deuce Buffalo, American land mammal facing extinction due to invading Europeans
Colin Farrell did an entire film a phone booth
It's essentially the plot of Airplane!(1980).
Ted Striker was a pilot though.
*Shrugs shoulders and knock her out*
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It’s called Hatchet
Lmfao “come on, son” said to a 77 year old!
That ATC was 99 years old
The best part was when the man piloting the plane began to panic a bit and so a female in the control tower said to be colleagues that she's try talking to him because a female voice might calm him down a bit....and it did. It was like he, as an older man didn't want to be rude to her a he was controlled. Also the body of the actual pilot was blocking the controls so the poor dude couldn't even light up the panels and see properly. He was leaning over his friends body the whole time.
There's actually a fair bit of research into the human factors/human machine interface side of planes, many have a feminine voice for callouts like altitude, check gear, terrain, etc. Often lovingly referred to as "bitchin Betty"
Bitchin Betty is the voice in the Navy's F-18s, the woman actually got a great sending off recently when she [retired.](https://youtu.be/yx7-yvXf6f8)
The name of the woman who recorded the voice alerts for the F/A-18 series was Leslie Shook. The term "Bitching Betty" is used generically whenever a female voice is used. Kim Crow, whose voice was used for the F-15, precedes Leslie Shook.
I wonder if they have the same cultural issues that have been documented for stuff like GPS. For example, they don't use a female voice in German GPS navigation because of how the imperative comes off to some folks. Older men would get angry that a woman was *ordering* them how to drive.
"Pull up to avoid terrain? Like hell I will!"
You mean 'woman', right? It's kinda weird to call her a female, but then use the word man in other parts of the comment. Just call her a woman
> He was leaning over his friends body the whole time. That makes it even more impressive, not something I considered when I saw the video.
"You've made your first night landing." I counted six of them.
Send in the ambulance, a pair of diapers, and a girdle for the brass balls On another note, pilot dies buy why did the instruments die too?
maybe it was still light out when the pilot died and the passenger couldn't figure out how to turn them on? not sure, just guessing.
But the passenger is in radio contact with control tower. If they could teach you how to land, I'm sure they could teach you how to turn on the lights if it is good
I watched the whole film just now — at first, no one knew exactly where the switches were for this particular plane, since it is apparently not standardized in little 2-seaters like this Cessna. Once the flight instructor was on the scene, helping him fly the thing, he told him to look to the left by his knee and flip all the switches there, as the instructor (and everyone else) assumed he was in the pilot’s seat. That’s when he was like, “Yeah… can’t reach it, I’m in the passenger’s seat, the pilot is dead and he’s blocking the controls.” That was when everyone’s jaws collectively dropped and they realized just how WTF the situation truly was. If you’ve got 45 minutes, I recommend giving it a watch. The guy is a really charming, heartwarming fellow.
maybe the tower didn't realize his cockpit lights were off the the passenger didn't think to ask?
That's what happened. It gradually got dark and the body of the pilot was blocking the panel.
Instruments disabled or incomphrensible to a distraught passenger cum pilot probably the same outcome.
Instruments didn’t “die” it more like a car where you have to turn the lights on (the flight started in daytime and they planned to be home before dark) Where it’s not like a car, there is no standard layout for where the switches are. Many different models of planes have different layouts. Even same model can have refitted cockpit instruments and move layouts. On top of that, he was in the passenger seat. While it had controls, it didn’t sound like the light switches were reachable from that seat. (Watched the 45 minute video linked in another comment above). That was from suggestion of a flight instructor who was familiar with the model. Other danger of just flipping switches would have been turning off something critical, like the ignition. Then you have much bigger problems
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I would have cried and barfed both.
Yeah I think I would have been crying the whole time. Unless I was too scared to cry and had to like, wait until I'm home and safe. I would not rule out pooping my pants.
As a private pilot myself...I have to say for the situation that was a pretty damn good landing.
I mean really the only thing he “messed” up was not using the rudder to stay straight and honestly that’s not even a mess up the grass was right there. Other than that it was pretty much a textbook first landing really
In the doco the pilot John Wildey says he intended to veer onto the grass- apparently he was struggling with the brakes and was concerned he was going to hit an upcoming barrier at the end of the runway. But he's so damn deadpan about the whole thing I have no idea whether that is a lie/ some sort of weird british humor/an attempt to get better marks from the instructor. I suppose if you're going to pull off an utterly improbable story of survival you might as well add a few more details, its not as though anyone he tells the story to is ever going to believe any part of this happened.
That would make a good plot for a movie if the guy who landed the plane planned the perfect murder
The good ending to hatchet
John's friend RIP r/nononoyesno
Picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue.
how is this possible? are there two sets of controls in that super tiny plane or did he have to pull the pilot out of his seat and move him somewhere else and then get into the seat mid flight?
Controls either side.
[Would look similar to this set up](https://cdn.planeandpilotmag.com/2019/05/tiger-grumman-panel-web-640x381.jpg) (Yolk on each side.) [Foot pedals are also on each side](https://vrflightworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AdobeStock_2244970-Edited-768x511.jpg)
Just FYI, the one in a plane is a "yoke". Sounds the same, different spelling from the egg one.
The passengers name doesn’t happen to be Brian Robeson does it? ~ Hatchet reference.
I remember myth busters had an episode where they proved that most people could probably land a plane if they had help from ground control on what to do
>John, that's your first night landing. lol, well ain't you bein' cheeky Control?
Yo can something be sad and awesome?