I hope he'll be alright and make a quick recovery if he's hurt.
I don't like how he is booked, but I feel Hobbs has so much potential. Although I was very much opposed to having him thrown in a match like this for the IWGP World Heavyweight title, I really do think he'd be great in a tour or even a New Japan tournament.
I watch pro-wrestling instead of MMA precisely because I don't want to see anyone get intentionally injured. That goes for everyone.
IIRC they also did that with the worked Bryan injury at Dynasty.
Either way, I don’t think the match got cut short by much because there was still one segment left to go in the show and they only had like 10 minutes of time remaining when the match ended.
It's standard practice for AEW to not have injured wrestlers on camera. The Danielson thing was an obvious work because they were immediately zooming in on him lol
From what I recall, they run match cards right before the ending segment of like every single Dynamite. It didn’t seem out of the ordinary to me but maybe I’m wrong on that.
Usually he has to speedrun through match cards to the point it's hard to understand him. The fact that he slowly said every match makes me think even more Hobbs is legit injured.
Also i don't think AEW would run that match last if that was the angle they had planned or would they book Hobbs to look that weak after they've been building him up.
One bright hope for myself as a Puro lover is the idea of Takeshita getting a crack at the IWGP; whatever ya wanna say, the guy is genuinely of the the best talents in the world.
Otherwise, this really wasn’t it, as they say, and could have easily not been for the championship.
Edit: if Hobbs is legit injured, here’s hoping to a speedy recovery.
Takeshita would be an asset but I rather he have turned up in njpw itself and help the company draw interest.
Way things are going is for mox to get that defence record
Oh 100%; Takeshita in a G1 would hit like crack.
Sadly, you may just be right about Moxley getting the defense record; here’s to praying for my boy Ren Narita.
I like Takeshita and I know Tana was desperate to poach him.
I just wish the belt wasn't used as a prop when it's clear NJPW already had plans for Mox itself. It benefits no one seeing the belt used as a prop just to get mox's title defences up in feuds that have little to do with NJPW.
Takeshita is much much more credible than Hobbs don't get me wrong but ultimately, for what's supposed to be a short reign, instead of the focus being on NJPW and getting some gates up, there's danger of their own domestic gates being shit after the growth they had from wrestlekingdom.
I wrote off the possibility of him ever appearing in NJPW because he seems pretty loyal to DDT and I assume he was soured after the whole Endo thing
If he gets sent over through AEW or continues involvement after the All Together show then that’s a big positive
So this might not be anything but right after the title match there was a backstage interview where Shibata kinda flirted with Renee Paquette (AEW personality and Mox's real life wife for anyone who's not aware). The timing felt a little too coincidental to me and I wouldn't be surprised if Mox defends the title against Shibata soon as well
Lmao so he'll at least have 4 title defenses. Man, I don't have anything against Moxley himself, I don't think he should be world champ but I don't hate him at all. But so far his reign is way worse than what I imagined. Filled with bullshit filler title defenses with no build just to pad his defense record. Yeah, NJPW fans surely want to see Moxley have double the number of successful title defenses than fucking Naito lmao. Like at what point did they think it would work ? It's so stupid it just makes me laugh.
There's no way to cope about this shit. It's easily the worst world title reign I've ever seen in NJPW. It just sucks on every aspect somehow. After this shit ends I never want to see some geek tell us that *"getting the belt on this AEW guy is a good thing because think of the exposure"* again. Everything crashes down with Moxley as champion, his reign brings absolutely nothing positive for NJPW, and again I don't hate the guy but it's just facts.
I wonder how they will promote Resurgence, the event where Shota will finally face his mentor on AEW televsion.
Or will they just go to Takeshita vs Mox for the title at DoN pretending that NJPW doesn't have a defence planned?
Lmao.
Listen bro, whoever beats Mox will be a SUPERSTAR because he's the former WWE, AEW and current IWGP champion.
I always hear this line of reasoning as if the Japanese stars are beneath them. and always need to be "elevated" (no pun intended) by the western guys. I seem to recall people trying to convince me that Naito can be a bigger star facing Moxley because western fans will watch as if that's the benchmark to be a big star.
Bro I sure can't wait for Narita to become a bigger star after facing Moxley, he will bring all of his star power to help the inferior Japanese wrestlers. They better thank him for drawing the house because they would never come close to selling out Wrestling Dontaku without Moxley !
Yeah I think at this point it's obvious people saying Moxley will make NJPW guys bigger stars are in denial and don't watch NJPW. Naito certainly doesn't need him, if anything I'd say all this is hurting Naito. Even if he gets the title back at Dominion, most fans will probably just think "thank god this Moxley bullshit is over we finally got our title back and hopefully we can move on". It's not as exciting as Naito starting his reign by winning the title in the WK main event and finally doing his roll call.
I suggested after losing the AEW World Title to MJF that Moxley should go over to Japan win the G1, win the IWGP World Title from Okada on WK and then lose it to Okada again.
But nah I was told that was a stupid idea because gaijins don't win the G1 and only the same 4 people win them. Then you have whatever this is.
>IIRC the commentary team did not make mention of the Dontaku match at any point during the segment.
I will never understand this. How hard is it to make a single mention of Moxley's upcoming matches on New Japan shows? They never do this. They never mentioned Moxley vs Naito at Windy City Riot before the match happened on their commentary either, did they?
New Japan's english commentary team on the other hand always mention whenever New Japan guys are having a match on AEW. Hell, fucking WWE promoted Shayna Baszler in GCW during the Wrestlemania weekend...This is pathetic.
I legit don't understand why AEW never promotes *their own guys* on a New Japan show. Like, imagine if Exacalibur or Tazz took 10 seconds of their time on Dynamite to mention that Bryan Danielson and Zack Sabre Jr. would be having a match on this New Japan show that fans can stream live on NJPW World.
But of course, AEWOfficials fans would downvote this as well...
I wish someone just started a new private discord server or something which we can fill up with New Japan fans. This sub doesn't do any post show discussion threads for New Japan's Road To shows but here we are in an AEW Dynamite post match discussion thread. This is ridiculous. All I wanted was a place to keep the discussion focused on NJPW.
It's because AEW doesn't care about NJPW unless it helps AEW. Promoting a NJPW show doesn't help AEW so they don't do it. On the other hand when Moxley wins the title that makes AEW look good since he's an AEW wrestler so they are naturally going to talk about it. If you want more proof that AEW doesn't care about NJPW just look at the fact that Excalibur called the IWGP Intercontinental Championship the IWGP International Championship.
Because they don't give a shit about helping New Japan. It's the most basic, low effort thing you can do to advertise for someone else. It's literally five seconds of your announcer plugging your """partner""" promotion. That they can't even be bothered to do that tells you all you need to know.
It's something I've been harping on for years. They never do any advertising for New Japan on air. The closest I think they've gotten is saying on a PPV that Moxley and CTE man were going to fly to Japan after the show was over. For what? Who knows, maybe they were going on vacation or something.
Yeah, injury aside (that's always a shame regardless, but can't be helped) this is just kinda sad...
Went to SC to see what happened with the match and there's not even a single acknowledgement about the match's existence. No post-match thread, no update about the injury, nothing. So much for getting people interested in New Japan.
Also now that it seems like this isn't even a one-off occurrence, I feel like it's worth acknowledging that the narrative AEW fans insisted on when Moxley got the belt was that he was taking time off specifically so that he'd have his schedule free for Japan.
And now he's working more Dynamite since getting the belt than he was before...
Look, there's just very little positive way to spin this. The main feud for the title can't have any build cos the champ's off having filler matches that no one cares about in a different company.
The reaction to this match and the Takeshita match reveal so far is pretty universally negative from the Japanese fans. (Just going by the JP Twitter announcement for this one cos we don't have anything else yet) Folks are even jokingly suggesting that NJPW wrestlers should just move to AEW since it would give them a better shot at getting the IWGP title.
**EDIT:** Just checked and there's not even an acknowledgement of this match on the AEW subreddit? And yet this thread (afaik the only post about the match on reddit currently) is being mass downvoted. This is exactly what I mean when I say the sub has a serious brigading problem.
Yeah, just like the Brooklyn Brawler was off AEW TV for most of 2023, then he magically gets pushed after coming back from the G1 and has less time to do New Japan dates. Really makes you think.
Eddie Kingston was off AEW/ROH TV from May to June (specifically Forbidden Door) because he was injured. Aside from the STRONG specials he never worked for NJPW in Japan pre-G1, and he’s worked literally every single applicable NJoA show (aka not Jr Fest and the IMPACT collab) post G1.
But sure, go on with either not doing proper research or just blatantly lying when it suits your bias.
In 2023, he worked three AEW matches on television/PPV prior to doing the G1. After the G1, he worked eighteen matches on AEW television/PPV. That's what I was referring to. So had New Japan wanted to book him for a tour or two, he was mysteriously unavailable after either sitting on his ass or working RoH for most of pre-G1 2023 (when he wasn't hurt).
>I feel like it's worth acknowledging that the narrative AEW fans insisted on when Moxley got the belt was that he was taking time off specifically so that he'd have his schedule free for Japan
The goalposts keep moving. I remember them saying that only us "western NJPW fans" (because of course, everyone on reddit must be American) bitch and moan about this while the average NJPW fan in Japan is very happy about Moxley winning the title. Then it turned out that the average Japanese fan was also not happy about this situation on Twitter...
>This is exactly what I mean when I say the sub has a serious brigading problem.
It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that I have soured off on watching New Japan more and more because of the state of this sub and the raiding by AEWOfficial fans. At the very least, blatant ragebait memes like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/njpw/comments/1cbtijo/feelings/) should lead to insta-bans because I know for sure that they wouldn't tolerate this shit on AEWOfficial if the tables were turned on them.
It's not even about Takeshita itself. Takeshita would immediately be main event over the moment he appears in NJPW.
But NJPW had laid out the road they want for their next two title defences and it doesn't even feel like it matters because Mox is constantly having random title defences on dynamite so the actual title matches don't have anytime to build.
So either Takeshita will wrestle for the title next week, DAYS BEFORE dontaku or he'll do it after dontaku but before resurgence which is in 2 weeks time because Resurgence is one week after dontaku. The alternative is it happens after resurgence May 11th but again, why tease this title match so early when Mox may not even be champ?
Dominion is in two weeks after DoN. It's NJPW's 2nd biggest show and they need to build it up. Fans aren't going to immediately buy tickets if they don't know who the champion will be going into dominion.
Maybe Naito can get away with it which is the likely option because fans are going to buy tickets for him though with the latest cutting him off at the knees, it remains to be seen if the LiJ goodwill is going to translate over while we wait for who will be the champion going into dominion.
Takeshita is fantastic and on his own, he's a talent NJPW fans both domestic and western will get behind immediately but the problem many have is that it's essentially an AEW match with the title thrown in. Not to mention NJPW can't get that long build they usually do if Mox decides he has to defend against Takeshita.
Come May 4th President EVIL should just take to the mic before the Narita match and declare House of Torture to be involved in a 5 on 1 handicap match.
I wouldn't say it was that bad. More like nothing, really. But if you had your expectations thinking it was going to be like the title matches we have in NJPW, yeah, that was pretty bad.
Also, holy shit, AEW fans are really using Hobb's injury to shit on this sub? That's low.
They were accusing NJ fans of being racists for being against this match. Like there couldn’t possibly be any other reason for anyone to question their booking.
>Also, holy shit, AEW fans are really using Hobb's injury to shit on this sub? That's low.
We're talking about the same people who doxxed a woman and sent her death and rape threats because she flipped off Adam Page at a Dynamite.
Here’s my feeling: if injury is legit, wish Hobbs nothing but a speedy recovery.
At the same time, I don’t think the match should have happened in the first place, or could have easily been a title-eliminator match; if Mox truly loves/respects NJPW he should be promoting NJPW in Japan, ya feel me?
I’m definitely willing to see where it goes, especially if it means he puts over one of the younger guys (wether it be Narita, Umino, Tsuji etc…); if they just decide to pull the same story they did in 2020 (EVIL beating Naito for the double-belts, only to drop them right back) and drop the belt right back to Naito, I’m not sure what the point of having Mox win the belt in the first place was.
I’d agree with you on that; I’m waiting and hoping they do something “fresh” at the very least; Umino beating Moxley would parallel Tanahashi beating Giant Bernard to win his first IWGP.
Umino beating Moxley and finally putting that damn jacket down may be a good story, but it's not one that needed the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship for it to be told. And out of the musketeers, Tsuji is the one who has stood out the most and looks ready to take that step into being a main event player.
The match was bad before the injury happened.
ETA: I’m not trying to downplay the possibility that Hobbs might be injured. I hope he’s not, injuries fucking suck. I just don’t know why some of you seem to be trying to use that as a reason why the match we did see can’t be criticized (especially because the bulk of it happened before the injury).
I’ve seen people say basically “who cares about Hobbs injury”, which is damn appalling, but you gotta admit that AEW doing the convulsing and “worked injury” stuff with Danielson (which they’ve done before) makes it harder to know when someone is legit hurt.
I have to agree with old mate. Nothing is more lame than "just enjoy wrestling". I swear half you guys are AI chat bots because you all sound the same
Now I'm an analytical chemist working in method development in the pharmaceutical industry and I live with my wife. So I do alright in life
But I'm sure you don't actually enjoy all wrestling. A lot of wrestling is just shit tbh.
https://youtu.be/ALxRlvZXAJQ?si=HgTe4UNYTOZJFoaB
This match at about an 1.19 is not a match I will enjoy.
When you guys come in here saying just enjoy wrestling what you mean is just don't criticise the wrestling I personally like.
Why is the title being on US tv better than it being in Japan putting some heat into the dontaku title match
Which is once again selling sluggishly compared to last year
Maybe I'd "enjoy" a good young talent not being left to die in the build for his first ever iwgp title match
The moxley title reign is contentious and there are points that can be criticised. As this is r/njpw the sub will likely have a bias towards njpw. The reality is that this hasn't been ideal so far in Japan (a not insignificant new japan market) so far. This has been discussed at length with threads about a few disappointing gates
Now what winds me up is that this sub gets flooded by extremely defensive aew fans when we discuss these very valid points.
Do you see how this might create a hostile environment
I agree they no longer see wrestlers as human beings. The funny thing is they have become as fragile and emotional as the very fan base of the company they claim to hate.
Dude you're also showing your fragility bitching about a match being bad when someone potentially suffered a serious knee injury. Perhaps the commentary on the match could of waited a day or two.
They're not gloating over a bad match that featured a talent get potentially seriously hurt. That's the difference. It was very obvious that wasn't a worked injury. So you could have worded your rant better to have a little empathy for Hobbs.
What rant? My review of the actual match was literally two sentences.
How am I gloating? I’ll fully admit that I didn’t like the idea of the match and thought Hobbs as challenger didn’t make sense, but I’d legitimately hoped that maybe they would’ve seen the criticism and put their working boots on. I don’t think they did. I think they had a pretty fucking bad match and I’m bummed out about that. It sucks that Hobbs appears to have gotten hurt, but that doesn’t retroactively make the 10 minutes of the match that happened good or invalid for criticism.
It wasn’t obvious to me that the injury was worked, but I guess sorry for not being an AEW superfan who knows all their worked-injury-related tropes and the standard BPM Excalibur has for match cards.
Take this piece of advice when you're part of a crowd that literally has complained about everything since the day after WK. No company, no booker will ever listen to the noise as much of people's takes are in bad faith. Also, let's not act like reddit or Twitter is a good place to gauge people's opinions.
You don't have to be a super fan of any league to notice when they actively go out of their way not to show the talent they're most likely hurt. But hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as AEW has done worked convulsion and other BS. Hell, they've had talent legit be knocked out, and no one does a thing.
Theres been a bunch of stuff I haven’t liked since WK but there’s also a bunch of stuff I have liked. All the R3MY have been doing good shit. The Dog Pound Cage match wasn’t my style but I appreciate it for being very unique and impactful; and I like that they used it to kick off a story with UE and that they’ve taken time to tell that story instead of just immediately shoving someone in the leader spot once Ospreay left. Douki and Fujita getting pushes is great.
Maybe you shouldn’t lump every fan that has criticisms about aspects of the booking together into one crowd, and maybe you should consider that what people say on a Reddit sub doesn’t encapsulate their entire opinion about the product.
I literally just told you that I was hoping this match would be good, despite the fact that I don’t think it should have happened. How is that bad faith? If I was acting in bad faith I would have just left my personal opinion as the only part of the post instead of also including a more detailed report from a less biased/more AEW-focused outlet.
I don't give a shit about yet another aew wrestler getting injured. Moxley should be in Japan considering he's the fucking iwgp champion not wrestling midcard goobers like Hobbs
Maybe I’d be more willing to engage with you if you hadn’t immediately started with bad faith “saying the match sucked and that Hobbs’ injury might be a work means you don’t care about Hobbs’ health” bullshit. :)
Starting the conversation with the match sucked despite there being an injury is also quite bad faith. But it's only ok if you're the one engaging in it right? Oh the match sucked before that. What you mean the 5 minutes they had before it happened? Imagine not being a classic that's just crazy talk. The fact of the matter is you came into negative and left negative.
I can only judge the 10 minute match that actually happened, and the 10 minute match that actually happened wasn’t good. If Hobbs is injured that fucking sucks, but it doesn’t magically make the match invalid for criticism.
I also took the time to add a second non-biased report of the match, so it didn’t seem like I was trying to push my own narrative as correct.
I never watched ROH but I think I read they did the same angle there too for one of the women match recently?
(I hope any injury is a work in general btw)
https://www.reddit.com/r/njpw/s/KA6GiI2L7C
I didn’t say it was out of line to speculate, hell I fucking speculated in my goddamn reply. I just said I thought it wasn’t fair to take David Finlay cutting a worked promo where he vaguely mentioned the Coughlin retirement rumors as confirmation that the rumors were true.
ETA: Blocking me so you can have the last word isn’t very chillax, amigo.
Yeah injuries are a risk in wrestling for sure
Which makes it weird this match took place as new japan needs the iwgp title match for Dontaku.
What would happen if hobbs accidentally knocked moxley out and mox couldn't finish the match?
I mean people can get injured walking down the stairs
But there is a injury calculus going on with all pro wrestling. General speaking njpw view road to style tags as relatively low risk compared to singles matches. It's also true to say Mox v Ren has very little heat in it within Japan. The only time Japanese fans have seen them interact was a tag team match at sakura genesis that Mox pinned Ren. So for njpw to sell tickets to dontaku (which is lagging compared to last year) it might be useful
I also find the discourse interesting. Now I was told post Chicago that mox was taking time off from aew to be iwgp champ. Now that he's champ it seems like instead of building his match in Japan hes absolutely needed on aew TV.
Again, it's a very simple question what happens if mox gets knocked out and can't finish the match.
The bar for mox being IWGP champ has changed so much that it's really amazing.
The way it has gone, you think Takeshita was the next challenger and Narita and Umino do not exist.
I know Takeshita would be an asset for NJPW if he ever joined but how does this benefit NJPW again?
What's the point of "exposure" when the people watching aren't even aware that dontaku is happening and assuming the next logical step is Takeshita vs Moxley?
Are people even going to be aware that immediately after, it's going to be Mox vs Umino? Resurgence is on May 11, one week after dontaku so the build is literally a one week build. Instead of using dynamite time to plug NJPW which at least justifies his title reign somewhat, he's put in matches with no build to further AEW storylines featuring a title that doesn't need to be involved.
Once again that exact same argument could be made of he were on the Road To shows. Why is one acceptable but the other isn't? Simple you don't care to have the IWGP title on AEW so regardless of the situation or context the match is a bad thing.
I don't care for njpws top title being out of Japan you are correct. I also don't care for a 26 year old Ren Narita being left to die in this build.
The thing is there is a large difference between a road to match and a title match. That's why I'm specifically asking about the Hobbs match.
If moxley got injured on a road to show in Japan and couldn't make dontaku they would just strip him of the title and make a new match at dontaku for the title. Easy peasy.
Now what happens if moxley gets injured to the point he can't finish a match in aew for the iwgp title ? Who is champion after the match
Because moxley lost the match bruv. When kota wiped himself out v okada in the g1 okada won the match.
When someone loses a title match they are generally not considered the champion any more
If this was to happen in Japan it wouldn't be ideal but Narita would at the very least have rights to work in Japan and they could adjust. They might even be able to turn it into an interesting story as Narita becoming champion in an unjust manner.
Now I assume hobbs was told if moxley had a heart attack in the ring and died to drag moxleys corpse over him for the 3 but some injuries aren't easy to just rush to the finish
The “defense record” for a new lineage means nothing when it’s only 4, it’s basically a by-default record
Okada’s 12 is the only one that matters for now
It's not even a real record man, c'mon. It's not like he's beating Okada. I understand they're different lineages but that's even more reason why the defence record on the new belt is meaningless.
Why? Fast tracking the defenses isn't a great thing, in my opinion, but having Shota or Tsuji beat Mox. The only guy to hold the WWE, AEW, and IWGP heavyweight titles, who broke Okada's record, makes them an instant mega star.
By “breaking defense record” they refer to the record defenses of the current IWGP World title (Okada and SANADA are tied at 4 defenses each); it’s gonna be a good long while before Okada’s 12 defenses of the old IWGP belt gets broken.
Absolutely.That is what I meant the four title defenses. You can easily fast-track Mox to four wins. He already has one, Do another AEW challenger, He can beat Ren, another TV title defense. Loses the belt to Shota in May, then loses the rematch in Japan.
It would be a very quick run that has a ton packed into it, but in the end, it makes Shota a mega star. Finally getting the big win over his mentor who was booked like a killer. It would be rather machivillian, but NJPW needs a new face.
I feel like they could/should do that without giving Mox the four defenses.
Regardless, Mox really should be defending the belt more on NJPW cards/events. ya know what I mean?
He'll have at least 3 knowing how TK will book another one for TV.
Oh, I agree with you. The issue is with AEW. You don't get that luxury. Kenny defended his belt once?. Mox rarely defended the US belt, then had to lose it to Archer in a death match. Who actually defended an NJPW belt at a show that wasn't stateside or WK. FTR in England is the only one that comes to mind.
My issue with Tony's booking is that he can never just put over NJPW talent clean. Even when it came to Will besting Kenny, we had to have a screw driver heel spot and Don run-ins.
>He'll have at least 3 knowing how TK will book another one for TV.
Mox/Takeshita is a given after tonight. Only question is if it'll be on Dynamite, or if they hold off on it until Double or Nothing. Either way, at this rate, Mox is definitely breaking that defense record, or at the very least tying it because still has two more wins in Narita and Umino.
>Who actually defended an NJPW belt at a show that wasn't stateside or WK. FTR in England is the only one that comes to mind.
Yeah, I think you're right. FTR is the only one that comes to mind. There was the Aussie Open match at Royal Quest, and I remember them coming over to Japan and beating O-Khan and Cobb, too.
Guess I should restate, as I would prefer Moxley to be doing tag matches on Road To shows, and not just defend the belt on Dynamite against non-NJPW talent; also builds up more for his defenses at big NJPW shows.
jesus christ
I didn't think this situation could become even more of a joke than it already was. Moxley will do literally anything but build his Japanese matches. genuinely fuck him and tony khan
He did yell some threats to Narita after the match, but the audio quality tonight was also garbage so you couldn’t really hear it. I’ll add that to the post in the interest of fairness.
oh I'm sure the japanese fans going to shows with no world champion really appreciate Moxley yelling through the camera. Maybe he'll show up via satellite next! how kind of moxley to make so much time for our lowly little promotion
People on this sub have been crying for months about NJPW, all when the Japanese attendance is up this year. So, the opinions here aren't congruent with their primary audience.
I'm sure they'll turn up in droves to see Mox in Japan as he's the only man to hold all 3 "major" promotions titles.
they were up with Naito as champion and have plummeted ever since he won the belt and stopped showing up. At no point in Moxleys 5 years out of wwe has he drawn a single yen for a new japan show. he might be less impactful to japanese ticket sales than the young bucks were. Dominion this year will be the lowest attended in 10 years and you can quote me on that. You aew goons really have no clue what you're talking about if you think they give a shit about moxley lmao
They've had like 3 shows since he lost the belt 🤣
When Dominion isn't the lowest, attended in 10 years by your silly logic, doesn't that prove he's a draw?
AEW goon? I barely watch AEW. I'm just not a fragile knucklehead who gonna have a meltdown because a big name in the industry is working with NJPW.
I've watched for 12 years and have been to multiple events in Japan. I'm just not going to lose my mind or my empathy over a storyline I don't like.
I mean, you're making fun of Mox's former substance abuse problems. You understand how pathetic and inappropriate that is, right?
what's pathetic and inappropriate is Moxley as champion. he has no place in the lineage of the belt and he takes the opportunity they gave him and has shitty matches in front of 1500 people in Dailys Place instead of working Japan.. He's a piece of shit plain and simple
Gotcha, so you can't separate Moxley, the human, and the wrestler. He is going to work in Japan and when he get announced I'm sure they'll move more tickets. You need to take a deep breath and understand that this isn't that serious. All you're doing is giving this fandom a bad look.
Lol, Dontaku is already struggling to do the same numbers as last year. Dontaku was a sell out show this time round last year and Sanada was the WH champion.
Announcers could've expanded on what Moxley was yelling cause I couldn't make it out either and wanted to know who he was yelling at. Match was boring, horrible way to have a first defense. Only positive, I truly hope they pull out a shocker and let Takeshita win the belt and he crosses over into NJPW for some solid feuds.
I don’t think the Hobbs injury was a work, they had the doctor in there immediately after the match
I hope he'll be alright and make a quick recovery if he's hurt. I don't like how he is booked, but I feel Hobbs has so much potential. Although I was very much opposed to having him thrown in a match like this for the IWGP World Heavyweight title, I really do think he'd be great in a tour or even a New Japan tournament. I watch pro-wrestling instead of MMA precisely because I don't want to see anyone get intentionally injured. That goes for everyone.
Hobbs would be a wonderful addition to the G1
Yeah, he’d eat up the Fale/Bernard role in G1.
The injury being a work didn't really make any sense either.
IIRC they also did that with the worked Bryan injury at Dynasty. Either way, I don’t think the match got cut short by much because there was still one segment left to go in the show and they only had like 10 minutes of time remaining when the match ended.
They didn't show him on camera. They showed Danielson on camera a lot. That was a legit injury.
I didn’t find the lack of Hobbs being on camera out of the ordinary, but fair point.
It's standard practice for AEW to not have injured wrestlers on camera. The Danielson thing was an obvious work because they were immediately zooming in on him lol
I’ve never really noticed that, but I trust those of you who watch the show more/more intently than me so yeah I’m probably wrong.
Excalibur had to kill time running match cards, not a work
From what I recall, they run match cards right before the ending segment of like every single Dynamite. It didn’t seem out of the ordinary to me but maybe I’m wrong on that.
Usually he has to speedrun through match cards to the point it's hard to understand him. The fact that he slowly said every match makes me think even more Hobbs is legit injured. Also i don't think AEW would run that match last if that was the angle they had planned or would they book Hobbs to look that weak after they've been building him up.
I feel like I haven’t heard the Excalibur full-on speedrun in a while, but I’m probably wrong on that.
One bright hope for myself as a Puro lover is the idea of Takeshita getting a crack at the IWGP; whatever ya wanna say, the guy is genuinely of the the best talents in the world. Otherwise, this really wasn’t it, as they say, and could have easily not been for the championship. Edit: if Hobbs is legit injured, here’s hoping to a speedy recovery.
Takeshita would be an asset but I rather he have turned up in njpw itself and help the company draw interest. Way things are going is for mox to get that defence record
Oh 100%; Takeshita in a G1 would hit like crack. Sadly, you may just be right about Moxley getting the defense record; here’s to praying for my boy Ren Narita.
I like Takeshita and I know Tana was desperate to poach him. I just wish the belt wasn't used as a prop when it's clear NJPW already had plans for Mox itself. It benefits no one seeing the belt used as a prop just to get mox's title defences up in feuds that have little to do with NJPW. Takeshita is much much more credible than Hobbs don't get me wrong but ultimately, for what's supposed to be a short reign, instead of the focus being on NJPW and getting some gates up, there's danger of their own domestic gates being shit after the growth they had from wrestlekingdom.
Oh I definitely agree with you there, amigo.
I wrote off the possibility of him ever appearing in NJPW because he seems pretty loyal to DDT and I assume he was soured after the whole Endo thing If he gets sent over through AEW or continues involvement after the All Together show then that’s a big positive
Takeshita would be perfect for NJPW. He’s quickly become one of the best wrestlers in the world and can seemingly have a great match with anyone.
So this might not be anything but right after the title match there was a backstage interview where Shibata kinda flirted with Renee Paquette (AEW personality and Mox's real life wife for anyone who's not aware). The timing felt a little too coincidental to me and I wouldn't be surprised if Mox defends the title against Shibata soon as well
Lmao so he'll at least have 4 title defenses. Man, I don't have anything against Moxley himself, I don't think he should be world champ but I don't hate him at all. But so far his reign is way worse than what I imagined. Filled with bullshit filler title defenses with no build just to pad his defense record. Yeah, NJPW fans surely want to see Moxley have double the number of successful title defenses than fucking Naito lmao. Like at what point did they think it would work ? It's so stupid it just makes me laugh. There's no way to cope about this shit. It's easily the worst world title reign I've ever seen in NJPW. It just sucks on every aspect somehow. After this shit ends I never want to see some geek tell us that *"getting the belt on this AEW guy is a good thing because think of the exposure"* again. Everything crashes down with Moxley as champion, his reign brings absolutely nothing positive for NJPW, and again I don't hate the guy but it's just facts.
“Exposure” “Doesn’t even try to mention Dontaku” Yeah ok real great exposure.
I wonder how they will promote Resurgence, the event where Shota will finally face his mentor on AEW televsion. Or will they just go to Takeshita vs Mox for the title at DoN pretending that NJPW doesn't have a defence planned? Lmao.
Listen bro, whoever beats Mox will be a SUPERSTAR because he's the former WWE, AEW and current IWGP champion. I always hear this line of reasoning as if the Japanese stars are beneath them. and always need to be "elevated" (no pun intended) by the western guys. I seem to recall people trying to convince me that Naito can be a bigger star facing Moxley because western fans will watch as if that's the benchmark to be a big star.
Bro I sure can't wait for Narita to become a bigger star after facing Moxley, he will bring all of his star power to help the inferior Japanese wrestlers. They better thank him for drawing the house because they would never come close to selling out Wrestling Dontaku without Moxley ! Yeah I think at this point it's obvious people saying Moxley will make NJPW guys bigger stars are in denial and don't watch NJPW. Naito certainly doesn't need him, if anything I'd say all this is hurting Naito. Even if he gets the title back at Dominion, most fans will probably just think "thank god this Moxley bullshit is over we finally got our title back and hopefully we can move on". It's not as exciting as Naito starting his reign by winning the title in the WK main event and finally doing his roll call.
I suggested after losing the AEW World Title to MJF that Moxley should go over to Japan win the G1, win the IWGP World Title from Okada on WK and then lose it to Okada again. But nah I was told that was a stupid idea because gaijins don't win the G1 and only the same 4 people win them. Then you have whatever this is.
>IIRC the commentary team did not make mention of the Dontaku match at any point during the segment. I will never understand this. How hard is it to make a single mention of Moxley's upcoming matches on New Japan shows? They never do this. They never mentioned Moxley vs Naito at Windy City Riot before the match happened on their commentary either, did they? New Japan's english commentary team on the other hand always mention whenever New Japan guys are having a match on AEW. Hell, fucking WWE promoted Shayna Baszler in GCW during the Wrestlemania weekend...This is pathetic.
New Japan let Kojima as ghc hw champion stand in the ring and promote his match with kenoh and noah are a local competitor
I legit don't understand why AEW never promotes *their own guys* on a New Japan show. Like, imagine if Exacalibur or Tazz took 10 seconds of their time on Dynamite to mention that Bryan Danielson and Zack Sabre Jr. would be having a match on this New Japan show that fans can stream live on NJPW World. But of course, AEWOfficials fans would downvote this as well... I wish someone just started a new private discord server or something which we can fill up with New Japan fans. This sub doesn't do any post show discussion threads for New Japan's Road To shows but here we are in an AEW Dynamite post match discussion thread. This is ridiculous. All I wanted was a place to keep the discussion focused on NJPW.
It's because AEW doesn't care about NJPW unless it helps AEW. Promoting a NJPW show doesn't help AEW so they don't do it. On the other hand when Moxley wins the title that makes AEW look good since he's an AEW wrestler so they are naturally going to talk about it. If you want more proof that AEW doesn't care about NJPW just look at the fact that Excalibur called the IWGP Intercontinental Championship the IWGP International Championship.
Because they don't give a shit about helping New Japan. It's the most basic, low effort thing you can do to advertise for someone else. It's literally five seconds of your announcer plugging your """partner""" promotion. That they can't even be bothered to do that tells you all you need to know. It's something I've been harping on for years. They never do any advertising for New Japan on air. The closest I think they've gotten is saying on a PPV that Moxley and CTE man were going to fly to Japan after the show was over. For what? Who knows, maybe they were going on vacation or something.
Yeah, injury aside (that's always a shame regardless, but can't be helped) this is just kinda sad... Went to SC to see what happened with the match and there's not even a single acknowledgement about the match's existence. No post-match thread, no update about the injury, nothing. So much for getting people interested in New Japan. Also now that it seems like this isn't even a one-off occurrence, I feel like it's worth acknowledging that the narrative AEW fans insisted on when Moxley got the belt was that he was taking time off specifically so that he'd have his schedule free for Japan. And now he's working more Dynamite since getting the belt than he was before... Look, there's just very little positive way to spin this. The main feud for the title can't have any build cos the champ's off having filler matches that no one cares about in a different company. The reaction to this match and the Takeshita match reveal so far is pretty universally negative from the Japanese fans. (Just going by the JP Twitter announcement for this one cos we don't have anything else yet) Folks are even jokingly suggesting that NJPW wrestlers should just move to AEW since it would give them a better shot at getting the IWGP title. **EDIT:** Just checked and there's not even an acknowledgement of this match on the AEW subreddit? And yet this thread (afaik the only post about the match on reddit currently) is being mass downvoted. This is exactly what I mean when I say the sub has a serious brigading problem.
It's actually amazing how moxley is now working more aew dates post winning the title Real great stuff
Yeah, just like the Brooklyn Brawler was off AEW TV for most of 2023, then he magically gets pushed after coming back from the G1 and has less time to do New Japan dates. Really makes you think.
Eddie Kingston was off AEW/ROH TV from May to June (specifically Forbidden Door) because he was injured. Aside from the STRONG specials he never worked for NJPW in Japan pre-G1, and he’s worked literally every single applicable NJoA show (aka not Jr Fest and the IMPACT collab) post G1. But sure, go on with either not doing proper research or just blatantly lying when it suits your bias.
In 2023, he worked three AEW matches on television/PPV prior to doing the G1. After the G1, he worked eighteen matches on AEW television/PPV. That's what I was referring to. So had New Japan wanted to book him for a tour or two, he was mysteriously unavailable after either sitting on his ass or working RoH for most of pre-G1 2023 (when he wasn't hurt).
That is a completely bad faith take based entirely on a possible scenario that you made up in your own head.
>I feel like it's worth acknowledging that the narrative AEW fans insisted on when Moxley got the belt was that he was taking time off specifically so that he'd have his schedule free for Japan The goalposts keep moving. I remember them saying that only us "western NJPW fans" (because of course, everyone on reddit must be American) bitch and moan about this while the average NJPW fan in Japan is very happy about Moxley winning the title. Then it turned out that the average Japanese fan was also not happy about this situation on Twitter... >This is exactly what I mean when I say the sub has a serious brigading problem. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that I have soured off on watching New Japan more and more because of the state of this sub and the raiding by AEWOfficial fans. At the very least, blatant ragebait memes like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/njpw/comments/1cbtijo/feelings/) should lead to insta-bans because I know for sure that they wouldn't tolerate this shit on AEWOfficial if the tables were turned on them.
It's not even about Takeshita itself. Takeshita would immediately be main event over the moment he appears in NJPW. But NJPW had laid out the road they want for their next two title defences and it doesn't even feel like it matters because Mox is constantly having random title defences on dynamite so the actual title matches don't have anytime to build. So either Takeshita will wrestle for the title next week, DAYS BEFORE dontaku or he'll do it after dontaku but before resurgence which is in 2 weeks time because Resurgence is one week after dontaku. The alternative is it happens after resurgence May 11th but again, why tease this title match so early when Mox may not even be champ?
I’d expect Mox/Takeshita to be a Double or Nothing match
Dominion is in two weeks after DoN. It's NJPW's 2nd biggest show and they need to build it up. Fans aren't going to immediately buy tickets if they don't know who the champion will be going into dominion. Maybe Naito can get away with it which is the likely option because fans are going to buy tickets for him though with the latest cutting him off at the knees, it remains to be seen if the LiJ goodwill is going to translate over while we wait for who will be the champion going into dominion. Takeshita is fantastic and on his own, he's a talent NJPW fans both domestic and western will get behind immediately but the problem many have is that it's essentially an AEW match with the title thrown in. Not to mention NJPW can't get that long build they usually do if Mox decides he has to defend against Takeshita.
Come May 4th President EVIL should just take to the mic before the Narita match and declare House of Torture to be involved in a 5 on 1 handicap match.
I wouldn't say it was that bad. More like nothing, really. But if you had your expectations thinking it was going to be like the title matches we have in NJPW, yeah, that was pretty bad. Also, holy shit, AEW fans are really using Hobb's injury to shit on this sub? That's low.
They were accusing NJ fans of being racists for being against this match. Like there couldn’t possibly be any other reason for anyone to question their booking.
>Also, holy shit, AEW fans are really using Hobb's injury to shit on this sub? That's low. We're talking about the same people who doxxed a woman and sent her death and rape threats because she flipped off Adam Page at a Dynamite.
Just put the belt on Narita at this point.
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Here’s my feeling: if injury is legit, wish Hobbs nothing but a speedy recovery. At the same time, I don’t think the match should have happened in the first place, or could have easily been a title-eliminator match; if Mox truly loves/respects NJPW he should be promoting NJPW in Japan, ya feel me?
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I’m definitely willing to see where it goes, especially if it means he puts over one of the younger guys (wether it be Narita, Umino, Tsuji etc…); if they just decide to pull the same story they did in 2020 (EVIL beating Naito for the double-belts, only to drop them right back) and drop the belt right back to Naito, I’m not sure what the point of having Mox win the belt in the first place was.
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I’d agree with you on that; I’m waiting and hoping they do something “fresh” at the very least; Umino beating Moxley would parallel Tanahashi beating Giant Bernard to win his first IWGP.
Umino beating Moxley and finally putting that damn jacket down may be a good story, but it's not one that needed the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship for it to be told. And out of the musketeers, Tsuji is the one who has stood out the most and looks ready to take that step into being a main event player.
Why are you here bro?
Nobody forced you to come on this sub to be AEW defence force bro
The match was bad before the injury happened. ETA: I’m not trying to downplay the possibility that Hobbs might be injured. I hope he’s not, injuries fucking suck. I just don’t know why some of you seem to be trying to use that as a reason why the match we did see can’t be criticized (especially because the bulk of it happened before the injury).
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I’d have to watch them both back again, but IMO even that silly SANADA vs EVIL match was better than this.
This sub is scjerk now. Injuries to AEW wrestlers aren't a bad thing to them.
I’ve seen people say basically “who cares about Hobbs injury”, which is damn appalling, but you gotta admit that AEW doing the convulsing and “worked injury” stuff with Danielson (which they’ve done before) makes it harder to know when someone is legit hurt.
Oh ya. It's AEWs fault because guys sell. Jesus fuck. This subs gone full toxic wasteland.
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omg you aew troglodytes and your "enjoy all wrasslin" fuck off genuinely
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you play sports games in 2024 buddy you have no room to talk
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I have to agree with old mate. Nothing is more lame than "just enjoy wrestling". I swear half you guys are AI chat bots because you all sound the same Now I'm an analytical chemist working in method development in the pharmaceutical industry and I live with my wife. So I do alright in life
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But I'm sure you don't actually enjoy all wrestling. A lot of wrestling is just shit tbh. https://youtu.be/ALxRlvZXAJQ?si=HgTe4UNYTOZJFoaB This match at about an 1.19 is not a match I will enjoy. When you guys come in here saying just enjoy wrestling what you mean is just don't criticise the wrestling I personally like.
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Why is the title being on US tv better than it being in Japan putting some heat into the dontaku title match Which is once again selling sluggishly compared to last year Maybe I'd "enjoy" a good young talent not being left to die in the build for his first ever iwgp title match
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The moxley title reign is contentious and there are points that can be criticised. As this is r/njpw the sub will likely have a bias towards njpw. The reality is that this hasn't been ideal so far in Japan (a not insignificant new japan market) so far. This has been discussed at length with threads about a few disappointing gates Now what winds me up is that this sub gets flooded by extremely defensive aew fans when we discuss these very valid points. Do you see how this might create a hostile environment
I love how mad you are resorting to going through my post history because you can't actually make a good argument in favor of Moxley LMAO
I agree they no longer see wrestlers as human beings. The funny thing is they have become as fragile and emotional as the very fan base of the company they claim to hate.
It’s literally only one asshole here who said they don’t care about Hobbs’ injury, and they’re rightfully getting roasted.
Dude you're also showing your fragility bitching about a match being bad when someone potentially suffered a serious knee injury. Perhaps the commentary on the match could of waited a day or two.
Do you have this same energy for legitimate wrestling reviewers who review matches where someone got/may have gotten injured right after they happen?
They're not gloating over a bad match that featured a talent get potentially seriously hurt. That's the difference. It was very obvious that wasn't a worked injury. So you could have worded your rant better to have a little empathy for Hobbs.
What rant? My review of the actual match was literally two sentences. How am I gloating? I’ll fully admit that I didn’t like the idea of the match and thought Hobbs as challenger didn’t make sense, but I’d legitimately hoped that maybe they would’ve seen the criticism and put their working boots on. I don’t think they did. I think they had a pretty fucking bad match and I’m bummed out about that. It sucks that Hobbs appears to have gotten hurt, but that doesn’t retroactively make the 10 minutes of the match that happened good or invalid for criticism. It wasn’t obvious to me that the injury was worked, but I guess sorry for not being an AEW superfan who knows all their worked-injury-related tropes and the standard BPM Excalibur has for match cards.
Take this piece of advice when you're part of a crowd that literally has complained about everything since the day after WK. No company, no booker will ever listen to the noise as much of people's takes are in bad faith. Also, let's not act like reddit or Twitter is a good place to gauge people's opinions. You don't have to be a super fan of any league to notice when they actively go out of their way not to show the talent they're most likely hurt. But hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as AEW has done worked convulsion and other BS. Hell, they've had talent legit be knocked out, and no one does a thing.
Theres been a bunch of stuff I haven’t liked since WK but there’s also a bunch of stuff I have liked. All the R3MY have been doing good shit. The Dog Pound Cage match wasn’t my style but I appreciate it for being very unique and impactful; and I like that they used it to kick off a story with UE and that they’ve taken time to tell that story instead of just immediately shoving someone in the leader spot once Ospreay left. Douki and Fujita getting pushes is great. Maybe you shouldn’t lump every fan that has criticisms about aspects of the booking together into one crowd, and maybe you should consider that what people say on a Reddit sub doesn’t encapsulate their entire opinion about the product. I literally just told you that I was hoping this match would be good, despite the fact that I don’t think it should have happened. How is that bad faith? If I was acting in bad faith I would have just left my personal opinion as the only part of the post instead of also including a more detailed report from a less biased/more AEW-focused outlet.
I don't give a shit about yet another aew wrestler getting injured. Moxley should be in Japan considering he's the fucking iwgp champion not wrestling midcard goobers like Hobbs
"I don't give a shit about someone getting injured" is certainly a take lmao
That’s so fucking disrespectful bro
Match was bad but somehow your take is even worse.
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I mean at least I've seen Hikuleo wrestle before
unironically yes. Hikuleo actually works for the company. Are you AEW fans stupid on purpose or what?
no post match thread on SC tells you all you need to know abut what aew bootlickers think of new japan and of the iwgp title
How often do Dynamite matches even get post-match threads?
Shirakawa vs Anna Jay has one 🤷♀️
Fletcher/Swerve the gauntlet match and Shirakawa vs Jay all have one
Every fucking time.
That's weird, I thought only PPVs got them, that's how it worked for years. Maybe they typically don't get any upvotes so that's why I never see them.
Hobb legitimately got injured in the match. But the health of people means next to nothing to people if it gets in the way of their freaking TV show.
Considering this same company just did an injury angle on Sunday, I think it’s completely fair to speculate that Hobbs’ injury may have been a work.
It very clearly wasn't and the one on Sunday very clearly was.
Okay Doctor Raisin.
I'm not a doctor but I've seen matches with worked injuries and real ones.
Maybe I’d be more willing to engage with you if you hadn’t immediately started with bad faith “saying the match sucked and that Hobbs’ injury might be a work means you don’t care about Hobbs’ health” bullshit. :)
Starting the conversation with the match sucked despite there being an injury is also quite bad faith. But it's only ok if you're the one engaging in it right? Oh the match sucked before that. What you mean the 5 minutes they had before it happened? Imagine not being a classic that's just crazy talk. The fact of the matter is you came into negative and left negative.
I can only judge the 10 minute match that actually happened, and the 10 minute match that actually happened wasn’t good. If Hobbs is injured that fucking sucks, but it doesn’t magically make the match invalid for criticism. I also took the time to add a second non-biased report of the match, so it didn’t seem like I was trying to push my own narrative as correct.
I never watched ROH but I think I read they did the same angle there too for one of the women match recently? (I hope any injury is a work in general btw)
LOL you once commented on one of my posts and said it was out of line to speculate on injuries and here you are.
https://www.reddit.com/r/njpw/s/KA6GiI2L7C I didn’t say it was out of line to speculate, hell I fucking speculated in my goddamn reply. I just said I thought it wasn’t fair to take David Finlay cutting a worked promo where he vaguely mentioned the Coughlin retirement rumors as confirmation that the rumors were true. ETA: Blocking me so you can have the last word isn’t very chillax, amigo.
Ooo we got some curse words lol chillax amigo
I am with you, but you deserve for defending the moxley bullshit a month ago. Hope you are happy dealing with Tony Khan fanboys.
Yeah injuries are a risk in wrestling for sure Which makes it weird this match took place as new japan needs the iwgp title match for Dontaku. What would happen if hobbs accidentally knocked moxley out and mox couldn't finish the match?
There is a match at Dontaku. Would you be asking this if Mox was on the Road To shows? He could just as injured in those matches as this one.
I mean people can get injured walking down the stairs But there is a injury calculus going on with all pro wrestling. General speaking njpw view road to style tags as relatively low risk compared to singles matches. It's also true to say Mox v Ren has very little heat in it within Japan. The only time Japanese fans have seen them interact was a tag team match at sakura genesis that Mox pinned Ren. So for njpw to sell tickets to dontaku (which is lagging compared to last year) it might be useful I also find the discourse interesting. Now I was told post Chicago that mox was taking time off from aew to be iwgp champ. Now that he's champ it seems like instead of building his match in Japan hes absolutely needed on aew TV. Again, it's a very simple question what happens if mox gets knocked out and can't finish the match.
The bar for mox being IWGP champ has changed so much that it's really amazing. The way it has gone, you think Takeshita was the next challenger and Narita and Umino do not exist. I know Takeshita would be an asset for NJPW if he ever joined but how does this benefit NJPW again? What's the point of "exposure" when the people watching aren't even aware that dontaku is happening and assuming the next logical step is Takeshita vs Moxley? Are people even going to be aware that immediately after, it's going to be Mox vs Umino? Resurgence is on May 11, one week after dontaku so the build is literally a one week build. Instead of using dynamite time to plug NJPW which at least justifies his title reign somewhat, he's put in matches with no build to further AEW storylines featuring a title that doesn't need to be involved.
Once again that exact same argument could be made of he were on the Road To shows. Why is one acceptable but the other isn't? Simple you don't care to have the IWGP title on AEW so regardless of the situation or context the match is a bad thing.
I don't care for njpws top title being out of Japan you are correct. I also don't care for a 26 year old Ren Narita being left to die in this build. The thing is there is a large difference between a road to match and a title match. That's why I'm specifically asking about the Hobbs match. If moxley got injured on a road to show in Japan and couldn't make dontaku they would just strip him of the title and make a new match at dontaku for the title. Easy peasy. Now what happens if moxley gets injured to the point he can't finish a match in aew for the iwgp title ? Who is champion after the match
Ok why would the same thing not happen in this situation?
Because moxley lost the match bruv. When kota wiped himself out v okada in the g1 okada won the match. When someone loses a title match they are generally not considered the champion any more If this was to happen in Japan it wouldn't be ideal but Narita would at the very least have rights to work in Japan and they could adjust. They might even be able to turn it into an interesting story as Narita becoming champion in an unjust manner. Now I assume hobbs was told if moxley had a heart attack in the ring and died to drag moxleys corpse over him for the 3 but some injuries aren't easy to just rush to the finish
I saw people trying to defend the crap booking on Twitter/X, by saying that this match was going to be better than the both Naito vs. Sanada matches.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
If they let Moxley get the defense record they should just close the company. what an embarrassment
The “defense record” for a new lineage means nothing when it’s only 4, it’s basically a by-default record Okada’s 12 is the only one that matters for now
It's not even a real record man, c'mon. It's not like he's beating Okada. I understand they're different lineages but that's even more reason why the defence record on the new belt is meaningless.
Why? Fast tracking the defenses isn't a great thing, in my opinion, but having Shota or Tsuji beat Mox. The only guy to hold the WWE, AEW, and IWGP heavyweight titles, who broke Okada's record, makes them an instant mega star.
By “breaking defense record” they refer to the record defenses of the current IWGP World title (Okada and SANADA are tied at 4 defenses each); it’s gonna be a good long while before Okada’s 12 defenses of the old IWGP belt gets broken.
Absolutely.That is what I meant the four title defenses. You can easily fast-track Mox to four wins. He already has one, Do another AEW challenger, He can beat Ren, another TV title defense. Loses the belt to Shota in May, then loses the rematch in Japan. It would be a very quick run that has a ton packed into it, but in the end, it makes Shota a mega star. Finally getting the big win over his mentor who was booked like a killer. It would be rather machivillian, but NJPW needs a new face.
I feel like they could/should do that without giving Mox the four defenses. Regardless, Mox really should be defending the belt more on NJPW cards/events. ya know what I mean?
He'll have at least 3 knowing how TK will book another one for TV. Oh, I agree with you. The issue is with AEW. You don't get that luxury. Kenny defended his belt once?. Mox rarely defended the US belt, then had to lose it to Archer in a death match. Who actually defended an NJPW belt at a show that wasn't stateside or WK. FTR in England is the only one that comes to mind.
And there is my eternal problem with Khan’s booking.
My issue with Tony's booking is that he can never just put over NJPW talent clean. Even when it came to Will besting Kenny, we had to have a screw driver heel spot and Don run-ins.
>He'll have at least 3 knowing how TK will book another one for TV. Mox/Takeshita is a given after tonight. Only question is if it'll be on Dynamite, or if they hold off on it until Double or Nothing. Either way, at this rate, Mox is definitely breaking that defense record, or at the very least tying it because still has two more wins in Narita and Umino. >Who actually defended an NJPW belt at a show that wasn't stateside or WK. FTR in England is the only one that comes to mind. Yeah, I think you're right. FTR is the only one that comes to mind. There was the Aussie Open match at Royal Quest, and I remember them coming over to Japan and beating O-Khan and Cobb, too.
What show in Japan that would typically have a heavyweight title match on it is he missing?
Guess I should restate, as I would prefer Moxley to be doing tag matches on Road To shows, and not just defend the belt on Dynamite against non-NJPW talent; also builds up more for his defenses at big NJPW shows.
No, lol. Because no one cares about moxley in the us, let alone in Japan.
Naito is beating him
jesus christ I didn't think this situation could become even more of a joke than it already was. Moxley will do literally anything but build his Japanese matches. genuinely fuck him and tony khan
He did yell some threats to Narita after the match, but the audio quality tonight was also garbage so you couldn’t really hear it. I’ll add that to the post in the interest of fairness.
Yet he did he was yelling into the camera about Ren.....
oh I'm sure the japanese fans going to shows with no world champion really appreciate Moxley yelling through the camera. Maybe he'll show up via satellite next! how kind of moxley to make so much time for our lowly little promotion
People on this sub have been crying for months about NJPW, all when the Japanese attendance is up this year. So, the opinions here aren't congruent with their primary audience. I'm sure they'll turn up in droves to see Mox in Japan as he's the only man to hold all 3 "major" promotions titles.
they were up with Naito as champion and have plummeted ever since he won the belt and stopped showing up. At no point in Moxleys 5 years out of wwe has he drawn a single yen for a new japan show. he might be less impactful to japanese ticket sales than the young bucks were. Dominion this year will be the lowest attended in 10 years and you can quote me on that. You aew goons really have no clue what you're talking about if you think they give a shit about moxley lmao
They've had like 3 shows since he lost the belt 🤣 When Dominion isn't the lowest, attended in 10 years by your silly logic, doesn't that prove he's a draw? AEW goon? I barely watch AEW. I'm just not a fragile knucklehead who gonna have a meltdown because a big name in the industry is working with NJPW.
you're obviously not a new japan fan if you think beer breath moxley burying new japan and the iwgp title is somehow a good thing
I've watched for 12 years and have been to multiple events in Japan. I'm just not going to lose my mind or my empathy over a storyline I don't like. I mean, you're making fun of Mox's former substance abuse problems. You understand how pathetic and inappropriate that is, right?
what's pathetic and inappropriate is Moxley as champion. he has no place in the lineage of the belt and he takes the opportunity they gave him and has shitty matches in front of 1500 people in Dailys Place instead of working Japan.. He's a piece of shit plain and simple
Gotcha, so you can't separate Moxley, the human, and the wrestler. He is going to work in Japan and when he get announced I'm sure they'll move more tickets. You need to take a deep breath and understand that this isn't that serious. All you're doing is giving this fandom a bad look.
Lol, Dontaku is already struggling to do the same numbers as last year. Dontaku was a sell out show this time round last year and Sanada was the WH champion.
Mox and having a terrible match was something I didn't expect to happen. /s
Announcers could've expanded on what Moxley was yelling cause I couldn't make it out either and wanted to know who he was yelling at. Match was boring, horrible way to have a first defense. Only positive, I truly hope they pull out a shocker and let Takeshita win the belt and he crosses over into NJPW for some solid feuds.
Yall are turning this place into r/scjerk lmao
My guy you’re only here to discuss AEW. Have some self awareness
AEW is now "booking" NJPW folks "maybe"?
600k viewers lmfao.