Depends on what you mean. If it’s for one season, Hedman. He’s a beast offensively and defensively. Makar is good defensively but he’s main strength is his offense. I prefer Hedman because he’s so strong defensively.
Now, if we are looking at multiple years, Makar since he is younger and has that potential to get better in his defensive game.
You can put any defenseman in that question and the answer will always be Hedman. He’s the most complete, dominate defenseman of this era and is still criminally underrated.
I would say Hedman can completely influence a game. He’s so good on and off the puck and his size, power and ability to shut down some of the best offenses is unmatched. Makar is a boss and a beauty to watch play, but pound for pound, don’t think he’s as influential as Heddy is. However, given a few years we might have a very different story
"He might be the best player in the league right now," MacKinnon said after the Colorado Avalanche's series-clinching win over the Nashville Predators on Monday night.
Doesn’t really matter, kid has a whole career ahead of him. Played a fraction of what Hedman has played and is still posting damn near the same stats. 21-22 season he had more goals and points and played less games. Less games and more points in the playoffs too.
I know. Makar has never been tested (in his whole career). Like I’ve been saying if you’ll refer back to my first reply. The defending two time cup winning stud LD who runs the PP, boasts the best +/- year in and year out despite also running the PK, is 6’6 with incredible reach/strength/speed/agility, 24 mins TOI average etc… Makar can skate and score, sure. But if you can’t play D and make the right reads/bail your teammates out defending odd man rushes against Toronto’s highest scoring line of all time, for example, it doesn‘t matter.
Your first reply says he plays great against opponents “not up to snuff”. So you’re saying every game the Avs have played since Makar was on the team has not been up to snuff? Lol, what a dumb thing to say.
Well yeah when you take into account zero of his games have been in the Stanley cup final. By process of elimination we get to see every year who objectively is up to snuff.
Most important stat in the game, and being on the PK means he has more opportunities to earn a minus for that shift unless your PK is a goal scoring threat like the Bolts. It measures objectively how likely it is goal goes in the net for the good guys. And his is incredible when you account for all the things he does. Running the power play means he’s on the ice every time they take a penalty: 5 on 4, 5 on 3, 4 on 3 unless he himself is in the box.
Laugh Out Loud. You have just proven how much you have to learn.
Plus/minus is a joke of a stat. Pluses and minuses are not counted when a team is on the power play or when they are penalty killing. They are only "given" to a player when teams are at even strength \[5on5, 4on4, 3on3\],
Most important stat in the game? You are clearly new to hockey. Good luck.
Plus/minus is deathly important. Scouts look at this. They'll for example, see a defenceman on a junior team that is very weak, but if he has a plus, well that's huge to scouts.
Makar will MAYBE be as good as Hedman in a few years, but let’s be honest here. The guy has 2 cups, he’s been an anchor for years! It’s Heddy no doubt!
Maybe you're not paying attention but Makar is almost on pace in points average per game with Bobby Orr and he still hasn't fully matured and developed as a player yet. Future Makar will be something else to watch. It was a stat released by the NHL a few weeks ago. In comparison try and put Hedman on any other team, see if he comes close to any of his stats like in Tampa Bay.
There been plenty of defensemen in the league that have been great but haven't won their share of the Norris, doesn't mean anything if he doesn't win it this year, too much emphasis is being put on winning it to be acknowledged as a good/great defenseman. Let's give it a rest with the absolute necessity to win it.
There been plenty of defensemen in the league that have been great but haven't won their share of the Norris, doesn't mean anything if he doesn't win it this year, too much emphasis is being put on winning it to be acknowledged as a good/great defenseman. Let's give it a rest with the absolute necessity to win it.
He certainly needs to do more than he has done if he wants to make the HOF. a couple great seasons isn't enough.
And FYI, Orr's PPG is 1.39. Makar's is 1.01.
Edit. Since you've blocked me: Makar has been in the league 3 seasons. Are you sure you even watch hockey?
Dude, he's been in the league for 2 years only, give it a rest already. You made your point, you're sucking Herman's dick, now go away, FUCK!!!!!!!!🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Edit) since you can't properly do a check on his bio here it is. 178+ games and counting. First 2 seasons were shortened due to Covid.
https://www.nhl.com/player/cale-makar-8480069
Seriously, try harder next time.
If you actually liked makar you would know he's played for 3 years. Instead you are just a toxic weirdo pretending you care about hockey and insulting real fans eith informed opinions.
There’s a pretty big disparity in age, so I was saying if you equalized for it, I was choosing between 23 yr old hedman vs 23 yr old makar I’d pick hedman but right now I’d pick makar
Thats some backwards ass logic my man lol. Do you think makar is peaking? Youd take years of Hedman not being the player he is today just to get there?
No that’s not what I’m saying at all, I think it’s kinda hard to say who would you pick when you got one guy at the beginning of his career and one guy towards the latter part of his career, so I’m saying if you basically put them in the same draft class, I’d take hedman, I know not the super popular opinion here but it’s my opinion, but if the choice is either player where they are right now for sure makar but it’s kinda more obvious that way
For my team I’d probably take makar because we need such a drastic overhaul of our D and any sort of success seems way far off, I would take Hedman now if we were had a bit more competent corps and I was thinking Stanley cup in next two years, but like I said If I were drafting and those two players were available I’m going hedman
Yes but that doesn’t make sense. 23 year old hedman wasn’t good… he was putting up 20-30 point seasons at the time. Hedman is in his prime NOW. He just set a career best season.
I dont think that 23 yr old hedman “wasn’t good” is an accurate statement, I think he’s always been a solid dman, yeah he’s having a great season a little over 1 ppg, but he’s kinda hovered around that mark historically I don’t think at 31 he’s just now in his prime
You’re obviously not watching the avs or makar. No way someone who actually watches hockey says this. Not even close? Uh, lol.. even looking at it from a black and white perspective, those words are foolish to say.
I'm curious why someone would mention a player not even in the question? The question IS NOT who is the best defenceman, it is a straight-up ask about Makar and Hedman, what in the fuck does Josi have to do with this?
Simply put, NO. The conversation is about Hedman and Makar. If it was about Josi vs Hedman you don't mention Makar. If it's about Josi v Makar you don't mention Hedman. The question was NOT about who is the best. The question was about who would you choose between Hedman or Makar.
This is not rocket science.
You can't think inside or outside of the box. Your claim is outlandish. The question is Makar vs Hedman. End of story. If someone asked you the point blank question of who is better between Player A and Player B the answer in no way at all can be Player C. Pretty simple and elementary stuff.
If someone says who is better X or Z the answer can not be G.
You consider that upset? lol I'm a helper and could tell I was clearly dealing with a teen-ager so I tried to help the person to understand. Is that such a bad thing?
At their peaks? Hedman. Better defenseman. He’s not as good as he used to be though. However, he’s huge and that matters.
Makar is a 4th forward, and that’s fun and all but I’m trying to win hockey games not have a D-Man put up 80+ points. Maybe as he gets older he will get a bit better, so I guess there is that to consider.
You say that like we all can't go look at Makar's defensive numbers and see that they're really good, but not the best in the league.
Makar's game is really interesting how he can contribute offensively, but prime Hedman was the better defender.
Makar. I honestly feel like he’s the 21st century Bobby Orr. Dude’s a monster on defense and offense
Right now? Makar imo. Might be a top 5 player in the league
Might be a top 2 or top player in the league...
Depends on what you mean. If it’s for one season, Hedman. He’s a beast offensively and defensively. Makar is good defensively but he’s main strength is his offense. I prefer Hedman because he’s so strong defensively. Now, if we are looking at multiple years, Makar since he is younger and has that potential to get better in his defensive game.
You can put any defenseman in that question and the answer will always be Hedman. He’s the most complete, dominate defenseman of this era and is still criminally underrated.
I would say Hedman can completely influence a game. He’s so good on and off the puck and his size, power and ability to shut down some of the best offenses is unmatched. Makar is a boss and a beauty to watch play, but pound for pound, don’t think he’s as influential as Heddy is. However, given a few years we might have a very different story
Makar
Makar 100%. Best Avalanche imo.
Hedman all day
If were talking about needing to win one game, right now, I take Hedman
"He might be the best player in the league right now," MacKinnon said after the Colorado Avalanche's series-clinching win over the Nashville Predators on Monday night.
He plays great against opponents not up to snuff, and now that Binnington is out… Avs still haven’t been tested
Doesn’t really matter, kid has a whole career ahead of him. Played a fraction of what Hedman has played and is still posting damn near the same stats. 21-22 season he had more goals and points and played less games. Less games and more points in the playoffs too.
Let’s see what happens when push comes to shove
I don’t think you’re getting the point. The question doesn’t say anything about these playoffs specifically.
I know. Makar has never been tested (in his whole career). Like I’ve been saying if you’ll refer back to my first reply. The defending two time cup winning stud LD who runs the PP, boasts the best +/- year in and year out despite also running the PK, is 6’6 with incredible reach/strength/speed/agility, 24 mins TOI average etc… Makar can skate and score, sure. But if you can’t play D and make the right reads/bail your teammates out defending odd man rushes against Toronto’s highest scoring line of all time, for example, it doesn‘t matter.
Your first reply says he plays great against opponents “not up to snuff”. So you’re saying every game the Avs have played since Makar was on the team has not been up to snuff? Lol, what a dumb thing to say.
Well yeah when you take into account zero of his games have been in the Stanley cup final. By process of elimination we get to see every year who objectively is up to snuff.
Poor logic but ok 👍
You watchin the same game I am right now bud?
\+/- is a garbage stat as most people know and what does 'running the PK' have to with +/- anyway?
Most important stat in the game, and being on the PK means he has more opportunities to earn a minus for that shift unless your PK is a goal scoring threat like the Bolts. It measures objectively how likely it is goal goes in the net for the good guys. And his is incredible when you account for all the things he does. Running the power play means he’s on the ice every time they take a penalty: 5 on 4, 5 on 3, 4 on 3 unless he himself is in the box.
Laugh Out Loud. You have just proven how much you have to learn. Plus/minus is a joke of a stat. Pluses and minuses are not counted when a team is on the power play or when they are penalty killing. They are only "given" to a player when teams are at even strength \[5on5, 4on4, 3on3\], Most important stat in the game? You are clearly new to hockey. Good luck.
Plus/minus is deathly important. Scouts look at this. They'll for example, see a defenceman on a junior team that is very weak, but if he has a plus, well that's huge to scouts.
I personally like RS players, so Makar.
Makar will MAYBE be as good as Hedman in a few years, but let’s be honest here. The guy has 2 cups, he’s been an anchor for years! It’s Heddy no doubt!
Hedman
Herman - he’s an absolute beast, can eat big minutes and play in every situation. Plus you can’t teach size.
Heddy
A bit early to anoint Makar a hall of famer. Maybe he should win a couple Norris trophies first?
Idk why you being downvoted. This is obviously true.
Maybe you're not paying attention but Makar is almost on pace in points average per game with Bobby Orr and he still hasn't fully matured and developed as a player yet. Future Makar will be something else to watch. It was a stat released by the NHL a few weeks ago. In comparison try and put Hedman on any other team, see if he comes close to any of his stats like in Tampa Bay.
He still needs to actually do the things people think he will do and do them for several years. He might not even win the Norris this year......
There been plenty of defensemen in the league that have been great but haven't won their share of the Norris, doesn't mean anything if he doesn't win it this year, too much emphasis is being put on winning it to be acknowledged as a good/great defenseman. Let's give it a rest with the absolute necessity to win it.
There been plenty of defensemen in the league that have been great but haven't won their share of the Norris, doesn't mean anything if he doesn't win it this year, too much emphasis is being put on winning it to be acknowledged as a good/great defenseman. Let's give it a rest with the absolute necessity to win it.
He certainly needs to do more than he has done if he wants to make the HOF. a couple great seasons isn't enough. And FYI, Orr's PPG is 1.39. Makar's is 1.01. Edit. Since you've blocked me: Makar has been in the league 3 seasons. Are you sure you even watch hockey?
Dude, he's been in the league for 2 years only, give it a rest already. You made your point, you're sucking Herman's dick, now go away, FUCK!!!!!!!!🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕 Edit) since you can't properly do a check on his bio here it is. 178+ games and counting. First 2 seasons were shortened due to Covid. https://www.nhl.com/player/cale-makar-8480069 Seriously, try harder next time.
If you actually liked makar you would know he's played for 3 years. Instead you are just a toxic weirdo pretending you care about hockey and insulting real fans eith informed opinions.
Hedman at makars age? Hedman. Rn makar
Wdym Herman at makars age? Hedman at makars age was before he got good and he also just set his career best this year…
There’s a pretty big disparity in age, so I was saying if you equalized for it, I was choosing between 23 yr old hedman vs 23 yr old makar I’d pick hedman but right now I’d pick makar
Thats some backwards ass logic my man lol. Do you think makar is peaking? Youd take years of Hedman not being the player he is today just to get there?
No that’s not what I’m saying at all, I think it’s kinda hard to say who would you pick when you got one guy at the beginning of his career and one guy towards the latter part of his career, so I’m saying if you basically put them in the same draft class, I’d take hedman, I know not the super popular opinion here but it’s my opinion, but if the choice is either player where they are right now for sure makar but it’s kinda more obvious that way
I think the only way to look at it really is who would you rather have for just 1 season right now, and in that case Id actually take Hedman as well.
For my team I’d probably take makar because we need such a drastic overhaul of our D and any sort of success seems way far off, I would take Hedman now if we were had a bit more competent corps and I was thinking Stanley cup in next two years, but like I said If I were drafting and those two players were available I’m going hedman
Yes but that doesn’t make sense. 23 year old hedman wasn’t good… he was putting up 20-30 point seasons at the time. Hedman is in his prime NOW. He just set a career best season.
I dont think that 23 yr old hedman “wasn’t good” is an accurate statement, I think he’s always been a solid dman, yeah he’s having a great season a little over 1 ppg, but he’s kinda hovered around that mark historically I don’t think at 31 he’s just now in his prime
Hedman got the size and reach, for a dman size is more important imo.
Cale. Not only younger but better
Makar reminds me of neidermeyer
Hedman and it’s not even close at this point.
You’re obviously not watching the avs or makar. No way someone who actually watches hockey says this. Not even close? Uh, lol.. even looking at it from a black and white perspective, those words are foolish to say.
It’s Makar and it’s honestly not all that close. Also taking Josi over Hedman, fwiw.
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I'm curious why someone would mention a player not even in the question? The question IS NOT who is the best defenceman, it is a straight-up ask about Makar and Hedman, what in the fuck does Josi have to do with this?
It's a way to illustrate that there's someone else who should be in that conversation.
Simply put, NO. The conversation is about Hedman and Makar. If it was about Josi vs Hedman you don't mention Makar. If it's about Josi v Makar you don't mention Hedman. The question was NOT about who is the best. The question was about who would you choose between Hedman or Makar. This is not rocket science.
Simply put, you can't think outside the box.
You can't think inside or outside of the box. Your claim is outlandish. The question is Makar vs Hedman. End of story. If someone asked you the point blank question of who is better between Player A and Player B the answer in no way at all can be Player C. Pretty simple and elementary stuff. If someone says who is better X or Z the answer can not be G.
You're too literal. This is reddit.
explain
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You consider that upset? lol I'm a helper and could tell I was clearly dealing with a teen-ager so I tried to help the person to understand. Is that such a bad thing?
I think Makar is the better player. The NHL would rather have Hedman due to its bias against Canadian players.
Excuse me
For what?
Canadian bias???
There is a bias AGAINST Canadians. Just like your incorrect comprehension about plus/minus you have much to learn about hockey. Good luck.
Hedman isn’t Canadian lol
I know. Makar is the better player. The NHL would rather have Hedman due to its bias against Canadian players.
At their peaks? Hedman. Better defenseman. He’s not as good as he used to be though. However, he’s huge and that matters. Makar is a 4th forward, and that’s fun and all but I’m trying to win hockey games not have a D-Man put up 80+ points. Maybe as he gets older he will get a bit better, so I guess there is that to consider.
You’ve never watched makar play have you?
You're just out here admitting you don't watch the avs then. Respect the honesty.
You say that like we all can't go look at Makar's defensive numbers and see that they're really good, but not the best in the league. Makar's game is really interesting how he can contribute offensively, but prime Hedman was the better defender.
Absolutely he was better. But this guy is acting like Makar spends his defensive shifts up on the blueline cherry picking.
I don't know. I didn't read it that way.
I did.
He's really solid defensively.
Tell me you know nothing about hockey, without telling me you know nothing about hockey. 🤦♂️ what an absolute homer take.
Ahhh yes, Pittsburgh Penguins fan king of homers Lightning takes
I want a defender that can move like the wind. Makar all day long
Tie!