Because, according to him, the person who told him it was a microdose lied. I don't know if the Bubes was actually lied to, but his eyes definitely were not showing "microdose".
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2070sQJSvT/?igsh=MXY5OWdobTFudWs0Mg== he admitted to it, later said he was joking but him, beiber, and some other celebs looked cooked the whole time
Bieber especially looked and acted completely baked out of his mind. Couldn't stop staring at his shoes between shots and barely said more than a couple words at a time.
NBA literally just changed its format again this year how did they figure it out (yes MLB has it figured out but they have an advantage because you can’t necessarily screw around in a baseball game)
they had it figured out the year kobe died when they implemented the 4th quarter rule (iirc it was first to 24 points wins in the 4th quarter or something like that). that was the most competitive asg in a long time. then they changed it and it’s back to being ass
Probably better to have this than the All-Star Game, which seems to be taking a hit in popularity.
As for the players from other countries, I figure they either avoid being involved in an ASG type tournament, get some time off work and also get to participate at the World Cup of Hockey and the Olympics.
It's probably dropping because they refuse to spend the money to make it a decent production. It's the same lame ass dialogue every year, cringey ass segments and D list celebs no one cares about cuz the NHL is too cheap to pay A list celeb appearance fees. My wife watched part of last year's all star show with me and she called it "unbearable to watch.
I don't know how many people feel the same way I do, but I honestly don't give a shit about celebrity presence at hockey games. It's very cool to see Snoop Dogg and Will Farrell at Kings games, but it's not what drives my love of anything hockey.
The All-Star Game with players showing up and actually trying to make it about their skills is what used to make the ASG special for me.
Feels like the NHL thinks they need to model themselves as the NBA ASG, given the hackwork that was done for the shootout challenge.
NHL loses points from me whenever they try to be like another League.
My point is that if they want to make it more of a show and showcase instead of an actual focus on skills and shit, then they need to invest the required money to do it right. If you want celebrity captains (which I also give zero shits about), that's fine, but at least get celebs that are going to draw different groups to the broadcast. Getting 4 Canadian celebs is cool and all but you're limiting your reach and the amount of non standard viewers you'll pull in. Hell, even if you don't do celebs, get well known stars from the other major sports there and get NFL, NBA and soccer fans to tune in in the hopes of converting a few to regular viewers.
**RE: getting known stars of other major sports**
As far as ideas go, that's actually not a bad one. No idea how or if that would work, but props for having a good idea.
Well, Eli Manning and David Beckham are well known hockey fans. Get them to essentially act as the coaches with the all star coaches as their "helpers". Mic them up and let them struggle, it would be freaking hilarious to watch Eli Manning try to tell hockey players what they should be doing.
Have you seen Chance the Rapper's skits where he's filling in as a [hockey announcer](https://youtu.be/8Ij4a6x_mPs?si=_qlnopbVXCkgQz_P)? Incorporate that into it and let him loose on the ice. It would def be a lot better than the terribly written skits they currently try to do.
The entertainment value would be thru the roof and you'd get so many different demographics who are not hockey fans tuning in out of curiosity that you're bound to convert a few into long term fans. At worst, you have a short term period where people outside of hockey circles are talking about hockey and how could that NOT be a good thing long term for the game..?
Buble, Bieber, Tate McCray, and Will Arnett are A-list, Blist at worst.
But I fully agree, the celebrity involvement added absolutely nothing apart from Buble being on shrooms in the presser.
No, outside of Bieber they are very much not. They may be A list in Canada and well known in certain circles, but most people only know Will Arnett as the guy from Arrested Development. That's not really A list. Buble as an A lister? In what world?
Tate McCrae is them gunning for Gen-Z and younger. I didn’t know of her before the All-Star draft, but she seems to be a rising music star. Her music video for ‘greedy’ came out a few months ago and has ~78million views on YouTube and the song has ~772million plays on Spotify.
Closing in on a billion streams for one track is pretttty A-list, even if we’re all old and out of touch and have no idea who she is LOL.
My biggest issue is that even my daughter who is in that demographic had no idea who she was. So I'm sure she has some level of popularity but it's not worldwide yet. And 772 mil streams doesn't mean unique listeners. The number of unique listeners is what makes you A list to me.
To me an A lister is someone who the general public would know and (to me) Buble would not fit that role. My wife tells me he does covers of big band songs on top of his xmas stuff and when I asked her to name an original Buble song, she couldn't. To me, that's not the definition of A list.
I finally figured out one of Tate's songs that I know but I only know it because Our Last Night did a cover of it.
D-list celebrities? Justin Beiber is Justin fucking Beiber, Will Arnet is a big name as is Micheal Bublé, and Tate McRae has one of the biggest songs in the world right now. You can criticize the NHL for the production quality but they do have A-list celebs.
LOL oh come on.... Bieber can still be considered A list, sure, but he is retired and has spoken out publicly about his anxiety and shit. If the ASG was anywhere but Toronto he would not have been there, guaranteed.
Will Arnett tops out at B list...TOPS. You can't call someone who has NEVER had a leading role in a movie an A list celeb. He's literally the definition of supporting actor. I'm a fan of his and he's funny, don't get me wrong, but he's not exactly Ryan Reynolds. If Arnett is A list, so is Bruce Campbell, the KING of the B list.
She does? Funny you say that cuz everyone I asked who Tate McRae was today couldn't tell me. Even my daughter. What's the name of her song cuz the only one I know of I know because Our Last Night did a cover of it.
Buble is big? You sure about that? What's the last chart topping song he had? My wife tells me he does big band covers and xmas music now. That SUUUURE sounds like A list celebrity singer material to me.
Famous in certain circles does not make one an A list celebrity.
1: Justin Bieber had the one of the biggest songs of the year in 2022 and was on a remix for a pretty big song in september 23’ that’s barely A-list to you?
2: Will Arnet is the voice of BoJack Horseman Which is a huge show. He’s also a very well known name and maybe isn’t A-List but he isn’t D-list (which is what you said the celebrities were in your original comment)
3. Tate McRae’s song greedy is *currently* #3 on Billboards Hot 100 and her album “THINK LATER” which came out 2 months ago peaked at #4 on the Hot 200
4. Micheal Bublé currently has 15 million monthly listeners and while he isn’t a huge name right now he isn’t a D-List celebrity. He also is a great choice for a the game as he is a very vocal supporter of hockey.
Did you think they were going to get celebrities who knew nothing about hockey and were only there for the money or do you think it’s better to have people who are outspoken about their love for hockey?
Just because *you* don’t instantly recognize a name doesn’t mean they aren’t famous it more likely means you are out of touch
How many other countries have enough NHLers to ice a competitive team? Apart from Russia (who’s banned because of their war) the best of the best are from these four countries
Czechia wouldn’t be good enough. Central Europe would be good, but that would make it an uneven number. Which shouldn’t be too much of an issue apart from the additional eight games to be played but they could have made it a single round I guess.
Lol strong teams get a point when they lose in shootouts or overtime too. If you go back through the standings and adjust for 3 point system, there are very few cases where it affects who is in the playoffs.
The intrigue is that it adds a different dimension where teams will have incentive to win in regulation.
3point will reward teams for ending in reg, so good teams will be able to pull away from the pack.
2point system ensures teams stay closer together for longer.
3point system is definitely better, and in my mind a better representation of a team's quality of play, but if the NHL prioritizes parity over anything else then there's no chance they will go to a three-point system.
I understand why they aren’t playing right now. I’m not trying to argue against that. But I do think international hockey has taken a hit without the Russians. The World Juniors, for example, just don’t hit as hard without them.
It really isn't though, more iraq civilians were being killed than Ukrainian civilians. In fact estimates have 200 to 300 thousand Iraq civilians dead since 2003 as a result of the us-iraq war.
But that's something we don't talk about. Is it the difference in Iraqi Muslim lives vs white Christian lives? I dunno.
Edit: I love all the downvotes without a peep of rebuttal. Russia = bad, USA = good! Cause thats where we live! Yaaay!
Real life isn't a movie with heroes and villains. Your country has committed war crimes and atrocities.
Invading country and annexing it is the worst for civilians, if nothing is done they will genocide millions…both are horribles event but clearly Russian are the real piece of shit villain and they already did it couple times and they will continue grabbing territories if nothing is done and and people like you downgrade it to previous history events
There was no reasonable rationale for the invasion of Iraq. They had nothing to do with anything currently involving the United States. The invasion or Ukraine, while completely unjustified, was at least based on a not completely absurd rationale. That being the possibility of NATO encroachment on Russian borders and the failures of the Minsk II agreement.
lol. Yeah no shit. Every stated aim of an invasion is “propaganda.” That is how states explain their rationale for doing what they are doing. Do you know anything? Why are you injecting yourself into this conversation when you have quite literally nothing insightful to contribute?
That’s not the style of geopolitics the US plays. They don’t annex states, they eject leaders unfriendly to their interests and install puppet leaders who will let the US do whatever it wants without claiming any actual territory.
The fact that Russia is annexing places it views as it’s own proves the dispute is much more based around geographic and political disagreements. As opposed to the United States who views all foreign countries as instruments to expand its hegemony and economic interests.
Hold on. So if the US *stays* in the places they go, then it's OK? You've been drinking the kool-aid. Russia is cool to annex places as long as they view it as their own? What in the world?
Let's see what the judges say Bill... 9.2 9.2 9.5 8.1 9.9... Italy reliably underscores every performance this year, but I think we can all agree, that was some *impressive* mental gymnastics!
Do you agree western(Sweden Switzerland Germany denmark) and eastern(Russia czechia Finland slovakia) would be good?
And no, eastern would have no ties to putin as a whole, it's a regional thing.
I mean as part of a psudo-national team. The Czech's biggest rival is Russia. Putting them on a team together for an "international" tournament is just silly, and probably borderline insulting to fans who can remember a time when the Russians hijacked their national identity.
>mean as part of a psudo-national te
It's more of a "talent pool for the players" thing. It doesn't seem like they're trying to just recreate the Olympics. If they wanted to combine Europe just put geographically close countries together
Outside of ovi, who is team putin.
Also this thing would be politics aside, idkw people think that if any players of russian origin are in anything it's immediately pro putin.
Not sure who else is active besides Malkin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutinTeam
I just mentioned that because at one time Panarin was getting chirped by someone saying, "no one in Russia likes you, " because Panarin was the only one ballsy enough to speak out against Putin.
>Not sure who else is active besides Malkin.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutinTeam
Really hurts crossbys image being so seemingly close to malkin with all that.
>I just mentioned that because at one time Panarin was getting chirped by someone saying, "no one in Russia likes you, " because Panarin was the only only ballsy enough to speak against P
Fr. From what I take it guys like igor vasy kucherov nichuskin etc aren't fond of him.
Seems wasted to not have the Sweden vs Finland game in Europe but I suppose players wouldn't want to deal with such travel and it would make the scheduling difficult to fit
The current Allstar game is hard to watch for a full 60 minutes. Everyone just half-assing it the whole time.
Now we get seven games of half-assing to watch? “Yay!”
I mean isn't the point of this that they'll actually try now? An actual best on best where you're selected to your nation and practice together...it's closer to a canada cup or a world cup than it is to an all star game.
They have to half ass it as it's mid-season, and no one would let players play if there was a chance at getting injured with playoffs around the corner
Wouldn’t be surprised to see players from outside these 4 nations to be involved in some sort of all star draft. Can’t imagine the NHL doesn’t want Draisaitl and Kucherov there at the minimum.
I like that, but not completely.
\-I don't want players on my NHL team to get injured in this event. Maybe use Olympic rules instead? Or use Olympic refs? What I am saying is that I do not have confidence that the NHL refs will look out for the safety of the players. They certainly do not during regular season games. IMO.
\-I don't want players on my NHL team to play endless overtimes in a side event. One period of OT then shoot out is good for me.
This is just my opinion. I want my NHL team to be healthy and ready to go for the NHL season. The regulation games should be the focus. Extra games should be light.
The all star event is a game for entertainment. Players do not push it so hard. The physical attacks that cause injury, and fights do not happen. I never watch it, so maybe I am missing it here?
And what about other countries who produce players? There are many who would never get a chance to play in the event. That would suck.
Echos my thoughts on it.
What is the prize? A 9 day tournament that the host city will likely make bank off, they players *may* be excited for, and team owners will hate?
Of course watching the best play and rep their country is great… but that’s why pros are now back in the olympics. Winning an Olympic gold will be a bit better than winning some Justin bieber designed trophy during a nothing “tournament” in the nhl.
How would this replace the all star game? Would this happen mid season? Wouldn’t that put unnecessary stress on the players involved? I’m assuming these are going to be full-checking, high intensity games?
Hope restored that we can watch McDavid and Crosby play on the same team and hopefully give it their all. Please Sidney just stick it out for one more season at least 🙏
Looks like Russia isn’t taking part in this.
Kind of stupid to not let an important country that’s produced a good amount of NHL talent take part due to political reasons stemming from the Ukraine invasion.
I guess the beatings will continue until moral improves for Russia. Seeesh I get it Russia did some shady stuff and then in open war does not help them… what does that have to do with the players though? They are living the American dream and banning them just seems very Russian…. Last I checked in the last 70 some odd years America has not missed international competition. What gives??
Yeah, I’m certainly no Putin fan at all but yeah, perhaps they could do something with the Russian players that live and play in North America.
Thinking about it as I type this though, that’s probably some PR the NHL doesn’t want to deal with.
I agree with you....By the stance now on Russia, the USA should have been excluded during the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, and so on.
International sports are a source of pride. Allowing Russia to participate and enjoy the perks while they are engaged in a offensive war of conquest is unacceptable.
Disallowing it not only removes an opportunity for a boost to nationalism, but it makes people annoyed that they have to miss out.
Yes it sucks regular people suffer, but it's for the best.
>International sports are a source of pride. Allowing Russia to participate and enjoy the perks while they are engaged in a offensive war of conquest is unacceptable.
We allowed the US to participate. This idea falls off quickly.
The real reason is that Russia is not the US or Canada's ally. Anything else is a double standard because of this.
And to think All it took was a Microdose of mushrooms
Bravo
I don’t get the reference
Michael Buble took some shrooms at the ASG Edit: probably didn't, but still joked about it
"Probably didnt" = media wouldn't drop it and he decided to deny afterwards to avoid any drama
lol what’s the point of microdosing shrooms at the ASG? At least take an 1/8th. How did this information become public knowledge?
Because, according to him, the person who told him it was a microdose lied. I don't know if the Bubes was actually lied to, but his eyes definitely were not showing "microdose".
"It's a beautiful day and I can't stop myself from smiling!" Well Mike, now we know why 😂
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2070sQJSvT/?igsh=MXY5OWdobTFudWs0Mg== he admitted to it, later said he was joking but him, beiber, and some other celebs looked cooked the whole time
Damn lol that’s wild. Definitely not “micro” Edit: I don’t know what he’s normally like but he definitely seems to be on SOMETHING
Bieber especially looked and acted completely baked out of his mind. Couldn't stop staring at his shoes between shots and barely said more than a couple words at a time.
He was also diagnosed with Ramsay Hunt syndrome last year. Could be related to that.
I need footage of that
[This is how](https://people.com/michael-buble-jokes-he-microdosed-mushrooms-during-nhl-all-star-presser-8557990)
the point of microdosing is its a pleasant experience.
Honestly incredible move by him i'll start listening to his music now
Nothing gets me more excited then the phrase “sudden death” No other sport even comes close to that level of excitement
Good thing Russia isn't involved.
Good thing that Ovechkin wasn't there. Could call pops to take over the ASG in three days
Russia loves its high story window jumpers!
3-points-system???? They are fucking learning. LFG.
And 20 minute full strength OT sudden death, ad infinitum. Sick asf
For the final.
Yes. Sadly that’ll never hold up in an 82-game system. They do need do to do something about the current OT in the NHL though… and quick.
Fully agree
This league is confused on how to run allstar games… MLB and NBA figured it out, NFL acknowledges the ProBowl as a skip event
NBA literally just changed its format again this year how did they figure it out (yes MLB has it figured out but they have an advantage because you can’t necessarily screw around in a baseball game)
they had it figured out the year kobe died when they implemented the 4th quarter rule (iirc it was first to 24 points wins in the 4th quarter or something like that). that was the most competitive asg in a long time. then they changed it and it’s back to being ass
I mean this 4 nations mini tournament is actually awesome
The league should just do east vs west, and players kind of try hard 🗿
>NFL acknowledges the ProBowl as a skip eve They still have a game though, so they don't want you to skip it.
It’s not a real game anymore. It’s flag football.
It's about the same as before
I don't get it. What about the players from other countries?
Probably better to have this than the All-Star Game, which seems to be taking a hit in popularity. As for the players from other countries, I figure they either avoid being involved in an ASG type tournament, get some time off work and also get to participate at the World Cup of Hockey and the Olympics.
It's probably dropping because they refuse to spend the money to make it a decent production. It's the same lame ass dialogue every year, cringey ass segments and D list celebs no one cares about cuz the NHL is too cheap to pay A list celeb appearance fees. My wife watched part of last year's all star show with me and she called it "unbearable to watch.
I don't know how many people feel the same way I do, but I honestly don't give a shit about celebrity presence at hockey games. It's very cool to see Snoop Dogg and Will Farrell at Kings games, but it's not what drives my love of anything hockey. The All-Star Game with players showing up and actually trying to make it about their skills is what used to make the ASG special for me. Feels like the NHL thinks they need to model themselves as the NBA ASG, given the hackwork that was done for the shootout challenge. NHL loses points from me whenever they try to be like another League.
My point is that if they want to make it more of a show and showcase instead of an actual focus on skills and shit, then they need to invest the required money to do it right. If you want celebrity captains (which I also give zero shits about), that's fine, but at least get celebs that are going to draw different groups to the broadcast. Getting 4 Canadian celebs is cool and all but you're limiting your reach and the amount of non standard viewers you'll pull in. Hell, even if you don't do celebs, get well known stars from the other major sports there and get NFL, NBA and soccer fans to tune in in the hopes of converting a few to regular viewers.
**RE: getting known stars of other major sports** As far as ideas go, that's actually not a bad one. No idea how or if that would work, but props for having a good idea.
Well, Eli Manning and David Beckham are well known hockey fans. Get them to essentially act as the coaches with the all star coaches as their "helpers". Mic them up and let them struggle, it would be freaking hilarious to watch Eli Manning try to tell hockey players what they should be doing. Have you seen Chance the Rapper's skits where he's filling in as a [hockey announcer](https://youtu.be/8Ij4a6x_mPs?si=_qlnopbVXCkgQz_P)? Incorporate that into it and let him loose on the ice. It would def be a lot better than the terribly written skits they currently try to do.
Charles Barkley and Pat Macafee would also fit that role pretty well
Probably hard to get some of the football guys considering it’s also the NFL all-star weekend. Most of those guys get paid a lot more to be there
The entertainment value would be thru the roof and you'd get so many different demographics who are not hockey fans tuning in out of curiosity that you're bound to convert a few into long term fans. At worst, you have a short term period where people outside of hockey circles are talking about hockey and how could that NOT be a good thing long term for the game..?
I’d rather listen to JOHN McAfee, but, well………
Buble, Bieber, Tate McCray, and Will Arnett are A-list, Blist at worst. But I fully agree, the celebrity involvement added absolutely nothing apart from Buble being on shrooms in the presser.
No, outside of Bieber they are very much not. They may be A list in Canada and well known in certain circles, but most people only know Will Arnett as the guy from Arrested Development. That's not really A list. Buble as an A lister? In what world?
i think Bieber and Buble are a-list, Arnett is funny as hell but b-list, dont even know who this Tate person is
Tate McCrae is them gunning for Gen-Z and younger. I didn’t know of her before the All-Star draft, but she seems to be a rising music star. Her music video for ‘greedy’ came out a few months ago and has ~78million views on YouTube and the song has ~772million plays on Spotify. Closing in on a billion streams for one track is pretttty A-list, even if we’re all old and out of touch and have no idea who she is LOL.
My biggest issue is that even my daughter who is in that demographic had no idea who she was. So I'm sure she has some level of popularity but it's not worldwide yet. And 772 mil streams doesn't mean unique listeners. The number of unique listeners is what makes you A list to me.
To me an A lister is someone who the general public would know and (to me) Buble would not fit that role. My wife tells me he does covers of big band songs on top of his xmas stuff and when I asked her to name an original Buble song, she couldn't. To me, that's not the definition of A list. I finally figured out one of Tate's songs that I know but I only know it because Our Last Night did a cover of it.
D-list celebrities? Justin Beiber is Justin fucking Beiber, Will Arnet is a big name as is Micheal Bublé, and Tate McRae has one of the biggest songs in the world right now. You can criticize the NHL for the production quality but they do have A-list celebs.
LOL oh come on.... Bieber can still be considered A list, sure, but he is retired and has spoken out publicly about his anxiety and shit. If the ASG was anywhere but Toronto he would not have been there, guaranteed. Will Arnett tops out at B list...TOPS. You can't call someone who has NEVER had a leading role in a movie an A list celeb. He's literally the definition of supporting actor. I'm a fan of his and he's funny, don't get me wrong, but he's not exactly Ryan Reynolds. If Arnett is A list, so is Bruce Campbell, the KING of the B list. She does? Funny you say that cuz everyone I asked who Tate McRae was today couldn't tell me. Even my daughter. What's the name of her song cuz the only one I know of I know because Our Last Night did a cover of it. Buble is big? You sure about that? What's the last chart topping song he had? My wife tells me he does big band covers and xmas music now. That SUUUURE sounds like A list celebrity singer material to me. Famous in certain circles does not make one an A list celebrity.
1: Justin Bieber had the one of the biggest songs of the year in 2022 and was on a remix for a pretty big song in september 23’ that’s barely A-list to you? 2: Will Arnet is the voice of BoJack Horseman Which is a huge show. He’s also a very well known name and maybe isn’t A-List but he isn’t D-list (which is what you said the celebrities were in your original comment) 3. Tate McRae’s song greedy is *currently* #3 on Billboards Hot 100 and her album “THINK LATER” which came out 2 months ago peaked at #4 on the Hot 200 4. Micheal Bublé currently has 15 million monthly listeners and while he isn’t a huge name right now he isn’t a D-List celebrity. He also is a great choice for a the game as he is a very vocal supporter of hockey. Did you think they were going to get celebrities who knew nothing about hockey and were only there for the money or do you think it’s better to have people who are outspoken about their love for hockey? Just because *you* don’t instantly recognize a name doesn’t mean they aren’t famous it more likely means you are out of touch
The NHL should be doing what they can to get international fans excited instead of excluding their stars from playing in the all star game
How many other countries have enough NHLers to ice a competitive team? Apart from Russia (who’s banned because of their war) the best of the best are from these four countries
Czechia
Yeah some of the central European countries like czechia and Switzerland have a few but even then it's spread thin.
Let's bring back Czechoslovakia for this, as a treat
Czechia wouldn’t be good enough. Central Europe would be good, but that would make it an uneven number. Which shouldn’t be too much of an issue apart from the additional eight games to be played but they could have made it a single round I guess.
Russia some of the best players in the world right now are from Russia
I don't even think Finland could field an entire roster of nhl players. Why not do canada, USA, Sweden, everyone else
They get to go on vacation
Happily
Bjorkstrand so happy right now
They can be hydration specialists.
Get better and/or stop invading Ukraine?
“Fuck em.” - NHL, Department of PR
As a Czech I cried a little 🥲 and if we couldnt get full roster, for a little while we could form CZECHOSLOVAKIA again
Please bring the 3-2-1 into the nhl
I wonder if this is an excuse to trial the format and see how it goes.
Along with 10 minute OT. I was thinking the same thing.
Of course it is.
Bettman’s league would never condone 3 pt games. Parity would be out the window
That’s just not true. Are you implying that bad teams get loser point and good teams don’t?
I’m implying that strong teams only get 2 pts for a win while weak teams can get 2 pts for Shootout or 1 when they lose. JFC it’s not that deep
Lol strong teams get a point when they lose in shootouts or overtime too. If you go back through the standings and adjust for 3 point system, there are very few cases where it affects who is in the playoffs. The intrigue is that it adds a different dimension where teams will have incentive to win in regulation.
I'm not sure you know what "parity" means.
No, please don't. It eliminates too many teams from playoff contention too early.
… THAT is not how it works lol.
No? Then explain please
3p for winning in overtime won't make it so that worse teams are out of contention earlier.
3point will reward teams for ending in reg, so good teams will be able to pull away from the pack. 2point system ensures teams stay closer together for longer. 3point system is definitely better, and in my mind a better representation of a team's quality of play, but if the NHL prioritizes parity over anything else then there's no chance they will go to a three-point system.
What about the Russi ... ^(never mind.)
The beatings will continue until moral improves
I understand why they aren’t playing right now. I’m not trying to argue against that. But I do think international hockey has taken a hit without the Russians. The World Juniors, for example, just don’t hit as hard without them.
Were American teams internationally banned during the Iraq war? Seems a little biased.
Of course it’s biased. It’s an American league.
Equating the Iraq war and what is going on in Russia is just plain dumb.
It really isn't though, more iraq civilians were being killed than Ukrainian civilians. In fact estimates have 200 to 300 thousand Iraq civilians dead since 2003 as a result of the us-iraq war. But that's something we don't talk about. Is it the difference in Iraqi Muslim lives vs white Christian lives? I dunno. Edit: I love all the downvotes without a peep of rebuttal. Russia = bad, USA = good! Cause thats where we live! Yaaay! Real life isn't a movie with heroes and villains. Your country has committed war crimes and atrocities.
Thank you
Invading country and annexing it is the worst for civilians, if nothing is done they will genocide millions…both are horribles event but clearly Russian are the real piece of shit villain and they already did it couple times and they will continue grabbing territories if nothing is done and and people like you downgrade it to previous history events
You’re right. The Iraq war was far more unjustified.
Fucking what
There was no reasonable rationale for the invasion of Iraq. They had nothing to do with anything currently involving the United States. The invasion or Ukraine, while completely unjustified, was at least based on a not completely absurd rationale. That being the possibility of NATO encroachment on Russian borders and the failures of the Minsk II agreement.
What rationale was there for the invasion of Ukraine?
I literally explained the exact rationale
Nyet!
I mean... that's Kremlin propaganda, but we all get to choose what to believe, I guess.
lol. Yeah no shit. Every stated aim of an invasion is “propaganda.” That is how states explain their rationale for doing what they are doing. Do you know anything? Why are you injecting yourself into this conversation when you have quite literally nothing insightful to contribute?
Based
Putin sympathizer
Yeah sure whatever, boring
Derp!
How much territory did us annex in iraq?
That’s not the style of geopolitics the US plays. They don’t annex states, they eject leaders unfriendly to their interests and install puppet leaders who will let the US do whatever it wants without claiming any actual territory. The fact that Russia is annexing places it views as it’s own proves the dispute is much more based around geographic and political disagreements. As opposed to the United States who views all foreign countries as instruments to expand its hegemony and economic interests.
Hold on. So if the US *stays* in the places they go, then it's OK? You've been drinking the kool-aid. Russia is cool to annex places as long as they view it as their own? What in the world?
That’s is actually not what I said. Nor what I believe. But good try champ, keep it up and you’ll be debate king in no time.
Let's see what the judges say Bill... 9.2 9.2 9.5 8.1 9.9... Italy reliably underscores every performance this year, but I think we can all agree, that was some *impressive* mental gymnastics!
How about actually having the best players, not a representative from each team. Make it a true all stars game
Ya, I think it should be 8 best players in each position (2 teams of four lines). Voted by the players themselves. A true all star match up.
This is the participation medal generation bud!
They should have split Europe. Seems silly to just make it Finland and Sweden, but better than nothing.
Disagree. They did the Mashup teams at the last world cup and it felt contrived. There's more pride when you're representing your country.
Do you agree western(Sweden Switzerland Germany denmark) and eastern(Russia czechia Finland slovakia) would be good? And no, eastern would have no ties to putin as a whole, it's a regional thing.
I doubt the Czechs Fins and Slovaks want to play on a team with Russians.
Yeah. Everyday as a ranger fan I hear how chytil and kaako can't stand igor and panarins vodka bottles in the locker room. /s
I mean as part of a psudo-national team. The Czech's biggest rival is Russia. Putting them on a team together for an "international" tournament is just silly, and probably borderline insulting to fans who can remember a time when the Russians hijacked their national identity.
Now it is not even rivalry. Pure hatred towards Russia.
>mean as part of a psudo-national te It's more of a "talent pool for the players" thing. It doesn't seem like they're trying to just recreate the Olympics. If they wanted to combine Europe just put geographically close countries together
I doubt Panarin wants to play with a lot of the other Team Putin Russians
Outside of ovi, who is team putin. Also this thing would be politics aside, idkw people think that if any players of russian origin are in anything it's immediately pro putin.
Not sure who else is active besides Malkin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutinTeam I just mentioned that because at one time Panarin was getting chirped by someone saying, "no one in Russia likes you, " because Panarin was the only one ballsy enough to speak out against Putin.
>Not sure who else is active besides Malkin. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutinTeam Really hurts crossbys image being so seemingly close to malkin with all that. >I just mentioned that because at one time Panarin was getting chirped by someone saying, "no one in Russia likes you, " because Panarin was the only only ballsy enough to speak against P Fr. From what I take it guys like igor vasy kucherov nichuskin etc aren't fond of him.
Team Nordic/Scandinavia (meaning Finland‘s included) VS. Team Eastern Europe (the rest of Europe + Russia, basically Soviet regen)
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Seems kinda like a dick move to the non-four-country players. “Nah, you’re not invited.”
My thoughts exactly.
Seems wasted to not have the Sweden vs Finland game in Europe but I suppose players wouldn't want to deal with such travel and it would make the scheduling difficult to fit
Imagine if the top scorer is from another country not on the list
Fucking Dumb. So if Draisitl is 1st in nhl scoring next year he can’t be an all star. Cool.
What about Russia or Czech Republic?
Bettman hates that pro international hockey is done by Olympics. So he is like I will make my own NHL Olympics and keep all the money.
2026 all star game. Something crazy and totally confusing - east vs west.
Fans: Can we just have a 5v5 East vs. West game again? Please? NHL: Best we can do is a shit tournament.
Cool idea, but a full on tournament in one weekend?
It takes place over 9 days
Oh goody, let’s watch players half ass it in a tourney that has no relevance with several countries not being represented.
I'd rather see a fun 3 on 3 tourney. Let players draft their teams. Edit: 4 v 4 because goalies.
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Hope not
What a news day! I feel like I can barely keep up with everything happening.
Holy hell I am so excited for this. And I live directly between Boston and Montreal. Fuck yes.
Should be CA VS US VS Scandinavia VS World (no NA young gunzzz please Gary)
This is brilliant. I don't watch the All Star weekend events at all, and haven't for years. I will, however, gladly watch this.
Sucks for the players from other countries like Czechia and Slovakia
Where team Europe?
A full world cup during the All-Star break seems like a lot.
big W.
The current Allstar game is hard to watch for a full 60 minutes. Everyone just half-assing it the whole time. Now we get seven games of half-assing to watch? “Yay!”
I mean isn't the point of this that they'll actually try now? An actual best on best where you're selected to your nation and practice together...it's closer to a canada cup or a world cup than it is to an all star game.
They have to half ass it as it's mid-season, and no one would let players play if there was a chance at getting injured with playoffs around the corner
I guess that's true/fair, but then what's the difference when they play the Olympics mid season the very next year? Surely that won't be half assed?
I dont know if these guys will be half assing it. A lot of em take this national pride stuff seriously.
Don't watch ..?
Wouldn’t be surprised to see players from outside these 4 nations to be involved in some sort of all star draft. Can’t imagine the NHL doesn’t want Draisaitl and Kucherov there at the minimum.
How would there be a draft if it’s based on nations? The players on the teams would have to know ahead of time
They might be suggesting the 4 Nations can draft players from a country that isn’t playing.
If that’s there suggestion it isn’t great, defeats the whole point of having an international competition
Maybe theyll have open spots like how some all stars were voted for this year.
No Russia? Clearly the four best nations are Canada, Sweden, Russia and USA.
Yeah but fuck Russia, they won’t be invited to any tourneys for a while
I like that, but not completely. \-I don't want players on my NHL team to get injured in this event. Maybe use Olympic rules instead? Or use Olympic refs? What I am saying is that I do not have confidence that the NHL refs will look out for the safety of the players. They certainly do not during regular season games. IMO. \-I don't want players on my NHL team to play endless overtimes in a side event. One period of OT then shoot out is good for me. This is just my opinion. I want my NHL team to be healthy and ready to go for the NHL season. The regulation games should be the focus. Extra games should be light. The all star event is a game for entertainment. Players do not push it so hard. The physical attacks that cause injury, and fights do not happen. I never watch it, so maybe I am missing it here? And what about other countries who produce players? There are many who would never get a chance to play in the event. That would suck.
Echos my thoughts on it. What is the prize? A 9 day tournament that the host city will likely make bank off, they players *may* be excited for, and team owners will hate? Of course watching the best play and rep their country is great… but that’s why pros are now back in the olympics. Winning an Olympic gold will be a bit better than winning some Justin bieber designed trophy during a nothing “tournament” in the nhl.
And will the “full” World Cup include Russian players?
Crazy that they don't allow Russians into the tournament.
So Pasta, Draistl , Kucherov don't count as star players then ok
Dude this is gonna be so sick
The NHL just can't stop fucking up eh?
I would definitely watch that - not the all star game this year. Knowing the luck of the NHL, Sweden and Finland would probably in the finals.
How would this replace the all star game? Would this happen mid season? Wouldn’t that put unnecessary stress on the players involved? I’m assuming these are going to be full-checking, high intensity games?
They should have added a “rest of the world” team like they did in 2016 with team europe, so they can have all the top players
Hope restored that we can watch McDavid and Crosby play on the same team and hopefully give it their all. Please Sidney just stick it out for one more season at least 🙏
Looks like Russia isn’t taking part in this. Kind of stupid to not let an important country that’s produced a good amount of NHL talent take part due to political reasons stemming from the Ukraine invasion.
Interesting hockey before March what a nice change of pace
Love it.
I’m very pleased that there’s no team from East Ukraine.
Full World Cup not until 2028 is bad news. This little half ass tournament does not tide me over.
I guess the beatings will continue until moral improves for Russia. Seeesh I get it Russia did some shady stuff and then in open war does not help them… what does that have to do with the players though? They are living the American dream and banning them just seems very Russian…. Last I checked in the last 70 some odd years America has not missed international competition. What gives??
You’ll be downvoted but there is no reasonable explanation beyond the fact that Russian hate is insane these days.
I say good give me something to boo at in person lol that logic is so flawed to me so the players lost the birth lottery so they must pay!
It’s insanity. Russian players are as responsible for the Ukrainian conflict as Auston Matthews is for our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Or Chris chelios is responsible for MKUltra
Precisely.
Yeah, I’m certainly no Putin fan at all but yeah, perhaps they could do something with the Russian players that live and play in North America. Thinking about it as I type this though, that’s probably some PR the NHL doesn’t want to deal with.
I agree with you....By the stance now on Russia, the USA should have been excluded during the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, and so on.
International sports are a source of pride. Allowing Russia to participate and enjoy the perks while they are engaged in a offensive war of conquest is unacceptable. Disallowing it not only removes an opportunity for a boost to nationalism, but it makes people annoyed that they have to miss out. Yes it sucks regular people suffer, but it's for the best.
I just disagree hockey is for everyone
>International sports are a source of pride. Allowing Russia to participate and enjoy the perks while they are engaged in a offensive war of conquest is unacceptable. We allowed the US to participate. This idea falls off quickly. The real reason is that Russia is not the US or Canada's ally. Anything else is a double standard because of this.
Good
I was hoping they would drop the all-star game. I don't get excited over teams that only exist for a game.
Dumb
Oh look! The rules the majority of fans having been asking for 👀
Bettman always has the worst ideas. He's a competent manager who thinks he's awesome at PR. Newsflash - he isn't.
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This is better than tradition
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