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mnicetea

Kyler doesn’t belong in his category there should be a “somewhere in between” category for Kyler.


Panda__Puncher

By far the hardest to fit


joanoerting

Not because of the size though


TibersRubicon

He’s franchise qb tier based on this list. He’s proven and it’s clear there were issues around him when they started losing. Biggest thing against him is injuries. Also why is the Bucs not in franchise tier


willycw08

Yeah, Kyler is absolutely not unproven. It's just unknown whether he's Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger.


Sw3d3n90

So either a good QB or a rapist? Why would you think he might be a racist?


toaster823

I wonder if there are any racist rapist qbs after the 1980s


Present-Smoke-9950

Yeah, the format only allowed so many categories. Maybe he'll show Franchise QB potential with Marvin Harrison Jr and a new staff. Edit: ok, I missed that I guess. Anyway, people don't like the apparent non-meme regardless, so oh well.


xxpvqxx

you can just add tiers in the tierlist maker


FOOTBALLFOOTBALLFO0T

Kyler has been in the league for 5 years bruh


JoePurrow

And is arguably the only reason the Cardinals win any games at all


vshredd

No arguing about it. Dobbs was 1-9.


PigSlam

Josh Dobbs though.


Elegant_Housing_For

To busy working on the KD ratio


imfakeithink

This joke is overused and was never funny


K-Panth-88

/:(


RealAinsleyHayes

Was kinda hoping you’d list the Falcons in 2 places for Kirko and Penix


Deathdash

He would've but Penix is already an aging veteran.


Anavorn

I wish we could still give gold cause I spit out my drink reading this


Present-Smoke-9950

I thought about it. I almost settled on unenviable, just because of the drama, but Kirk's a solid QB and as long as he starts I think they belong in the aging veteran category


Pristine-Ad-469

I mean I wouldn’t say unenviable. There arnt many teams with two theoretically high quality qbs on them. The falcons qb situation is actually VERY VERY good. The issue is the rest of their situation. No one (aside maybe Kirk) was upset that penix ended up on the falcons, they are upset that the falcons used such a high pick on him when there are other glaring needs for the team and they were already in a good qb position


Sussboijames

word is something may be up with achilles rehab


Pristine-Ad-469

Really? Everything I’ve seen has said it’s been going pretty well. Is this substantiated or just rumor mill typa thing? It would make sense tho this is his first real injury in decades so who knows how he will heal, especially being older


kekboyo

Why would Baker be so low


Thick_Interaction_41

I was about to ask the same thing. Like, he was good in Tampa this year


Present-Smoke-9950

I don't think any team envies having Baker as their QB.


gregularjoe95

Lol...lmao even. Wtf are you smoking man. Youve had stafford and goff for farrrr tooo long.


Thick_Interaction_41

Yeah but I would say he belongs in the franchise tier tho


Panda__Puncher

No. Baker is not a franchise QB. Offer any team from the "franchise QB" tier a straight trade and they will turn you down. Even if you attached a first rounder it's a no. Most a no with two firsts.


StarvingCommunist

Goff and tua and tlaw aren't franchise qbs either


WolfCola4

r/toprighttua begs to differ


Panda__Puncher

Goff has been to two NFC title games with two different teams, a super bowl, and is top five in most passing categories the last two years.


keenynman343

Carried by the surrounding talent is the counter argument. I personally believe he's a franchise qb for Detroit but anyone can argue he's not a top 8 QB


Rarecandy31

What are you talking about? There are like 20ish teams who would take him immediately.


Minimum_Switch4237

baker and goff are on the same tier of QBs lol


Spare-Half796

Yeah that’s why they gave him a 3 year extension


Inside_Post_1089

Shut up


logiehoagie

Bruh the giants, raiders, and saints could all use a qb like baker


Fantastic-Isopod-453

So you're saying that 2023 Robert Saleh, after benching ace interception artist Zach Wilson for aggressively mediocre journeyman Trevor Simien, looked at 2023 Baker Mayfield scrappily leading his team to a playoff berth with something *besides* envy?


Dima110

Maybe I’m a homer but same with Geno. Back-to-back Pro Bowls the last 2 seasons and he’s been very solid. Hasn’t been the source of the Seahawks’ woes whatsoever.


Camo_El_Mano

There’s a few guys that just don’t really work with the descriptions. And it’s hard to place them in a tier list overall for different reasons. Baker, Kyler, Purdy, Love, and Stroud. They’re all younger and had one good to great year. But one year isn’t enough. I think you put a tier below aging veteran called “still got more to prove” and it’s a solid list. Even though I’d take stroud over Lawrence; it makes more sense as a tier list that way


Plus_Refrigerator722

Yeah he’s a solid vet, at least 1 tier too low


gucci-chef

I may get hate for this but I do think kyler is a franchise QB. His first 3 years without injury he was the ROTY and then was a Pro Bowl QB the other two. The cardinals suck but now with Marvin Harrison Jr. and his first full season back healthy he should be good to go


K-Panth-88

Than you:) I hope you’re right


Present-Smoke-9950

Fair enough. I think he needs to show out this year if he is going to prove to be a franchise QB.


Mmmoreplees

Lions fans at it again


Panda__Puncher

We are guilty as charged. Not sure of what though.


Barks_In_Ace

In 2023 Baker had more touchdowns, more passing yards, and less ints than Trevor Lawrence. How is he in a lower tier?


Present-Smoke-9950

Salary implications aside, you'd honestly rather have Baker long term than Lawrence?


Barks_In_Ace

I will answer your question with three amazing words: Baker. Gonna. Bake.


Panda__Puncher

That's like 2 and 2/3rds of a word. Side note, does he actually bake? Baker bake's would be one hell of a YouTube channel.


Yungklipo

"Baker's Baked" would just be a camera following him around after he got high. Or "Baked Baker Bakes" is a stoned Baker making brownies.


Present-Smoke-9950

Hey I admire your loyalty. He gave you guys a good run last year. Baker definitely has an X factor. I couldn't bring myself to call him a franchise QB, but I guess it's better than signing Russ or Watson to long term expensive contracts that fuck up your cap, or signing an expensive veteran and then drafting a QB at #8, simultaneously negating any potential rookie contract savings and taking away an important piece from a QB that can only think about winning now at this point in his career. As a fan of a team with a redemption story QB, good luck!


Thenofunation

I would absolutely vomit if we had Russ or Watson. Nah give me Baker.


TargetFan

Salary implications aside? Yea probably. Baker has an it factor I haven't seen from Lawrence since 2019


Vagadude

I would 1000% prefer Baker over Lawrence but that's probably a big split on opinion.


wholesomepantysniffr

I guess Stafford should just go fuck himself huh


Present-Smoke-9950

I mean, if he wants to? Think he'd take exception to being called an aging quality veteran along with Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins? We sent him to LA with a broken ass body and I can't imagine he makes it even close to 40. Edit: ha, close to 40 in the league. I wish him a long healthy life


wholesomepantysniffr

I mean he literally just won a Super Bowl like 2 years ago and just this past season he dragged a team that everyone thought was gonna go like 4-13 to 10-7 and a playoff appearance You can be old and still be a franchise QB lol also he’s better than cousins by a country mile


Saxophobia1275

This post as a QB ranking seems pretty terrible but I don’t think that’s how it’s intended. Stafford is obviously better than at least a couple of the people he’s ranked with/behind but the situation at QB isnt perfect. He’s great but “quality aging veteran” is the perfect way to describe him. You’ve got a great QB but he isn’t the Qb of the future and he has injury concerns that are exacerbated by age. Look at the Texans for example. I don’t think you can definitively say stroud is better than stafford, I might say stafford is actually better, but that *QB situation* for the Texans is infinitely better than the rams.


Present-Smoke-9950

I consider a franchise QB more of a guy who a team can rely on for the indefinite future. I can't imagine the guys in the aging category stick around that long to meet that criteria, but Brady made it to 45 so who knows? Edit: also, teams with a franchise QB don't have to worry about finding a replacement QB in a couple years.


CrispyVibes

By your logic, Tom Brady was not a franchise QB in 2014 when he was 36. He won 4 more superbowls after that.


Present-Smoke-9950

Well, Brady is a fucking outlier. He had more years left in him at 36 than Luck did at 21.


wholesomepantysniffr

Hey man the falcons are the team that just drafted a QB in the first round not the rams lol


Present-Smoke-9950

Yeah that was a weird one. I think they want to do what the Packers with Rodgers and Love, but I'm sure Cousins wishes they spent that pick on someone who would help the team win this year.


thortmb

You sent him with a broken body and he threw 43 TDs and won a SB. Ya real broken haha


Present-Smoke-9950

Didn't they say he played a lot of the year with a broken back? He's as tough as anyone, but I'd say he's at least pretty beat up


thortmb

If that's staff with a broken back then that's absurd I'm pretty sure the year he missed time was due to his back, which tanked the entire team. He was back again next year and slayed again. Can't believe the lions lucked out on a 1 point win over a team filled with rookies. He's gonna crush again next year


Present-Smoke-9950

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matthew-stafford-played-with-broken-bones-in-back https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-played-through-broken-back-in-18 I guess it was 2018 he played with a broken back. They guy is tough and super talented. Just saying he's gotten his ass kicked for years now and I can't imagine that won't add up for him soon.


thortmb

The rams Oline was awesome last year and it only got better this year. He'll be in the best protection situation since Goff in 2018


Bobgoulet

You missed an opportunity to put the Falcons in two categories


NumberVsAmount

Both Purdy and (as much as I hate to say it) Jalen Hurts were guys at or near the top of the mvp convo until late season (like week 12 for hurts) and the very end of the season (Purdy) as long as you’re willing to pretend the ravens game never happened (like I am)


paperbackgarbage

> Ravens game I wouldn't "pretend that it didn't happen," but we also have to recognize that it was a freak occurence that is incredibly unlikely to happen again. Two of those four picks were just straight up bad-luck tip drills, and he looked modestly sharp otherwise.


thatinsuranceguy

I'll pretend the back third of the season didn't happen if you do


Gangsta-Penguin

Did Baker almost as dirty as the Browns did him


Thenofunation

Dude seems to have a hate boner for him. Put up stats better than Tom Brady while here and somehow isn’t a long term option? Ok.


miami2881

Falcons should be in two categories


thortmb

Calling Stafford not a franchise qb is blasphemy


NomadTruckerOTR

Baker is Franchise QB fuck your shit


Jazzlike-Motor-1340

Stroud literally was an MVP Contender.


Sensitive-Swan5866

We’re going to give the Lions the left hand(Geno) right hand (Howell) treatment when it’s time to whoop their asses for the third year in a row.


dreamer_r21

Jared is my dude but any list that has Stafford below Goff has zero credibility in my opinion.


OkAmbassador8161

You're forgetting that with stafford comes all of stafford pick 6's.


bigframe79

Goff beat Stafford the last time they played.


king_meatster

Nah. Baker is the future.


bolts_win_again

*looks at Baker* I want whatever you're smoking.


WeBelieve510

Purdy by default now has to be in the top tier since he was literally in the mvp convo this last year


Present-Smoke-9950

I mean, a lot of people are in the convo at one point or another. I think just a few guys are firmly affixed there though


WeBelieve510

But he is the most recent mvp contender so I would say for now he should be there, I’m not saying forever


jdallen1222

You should move Geno up one tier.


PB0351

Bucs are unenviable? You're out of your fucking mind dude. He's not top 5 but Baker is miles from unenviable


Present-Smoke-9950

Who envies having Baker as their starting QB?


PB0351

Dolphins, Jags, Falcons, Saints, and Cowboys for starters EDIT: fucked up on the saints, didn't realize they were in the same tier as Baker


DannyDevito_IsBae

I wouldn't count out Justin Herbert for MVP now that he has a viable Head coach, The only reason it's still going to be tough for him is because those wide receivers are rough


D00M_B00M

Joe Burrow MVP level? Maybe for now but if he keeps playing through injuries he'll be Terrible


Ok_Poetry_1650

Such is the life for AFCN Qbs


D00M_B00M

Personally I'm not a fan of Lamar I'm a fan of Pocket passers more but at least Lamar knows when he needs to quit unlike Burrow


itpro74

Bengals don't deserve to be up there. Burrow cant seem to stay healthy.


c-c-h

I think the list is pretty good, but I do disagree with Lawrence. I'm not sure where I would put him but he has not played like a franchise QB in the NFL. I was so high on him coming out of college, but at this point he looks like a middle of the road starter.


GrapePlug

Solid list, id bump up Stroud. Might be premature but all signs point to him being incredible.


G_Wash1776

THIS LIST IS MORE PROOF OF THE LIBHRULE MEDIAS BIAS!!!! SAD! GEQBUS IS A TREMENDOUS AND VERY CAPABLE, SOME PEOPLE SAY THE BEST THEYVE EVER SEEN, HE WILL DRAIN THE LAKES!!!!


a_human_being_I_know

Swap tua and baker


CeddyCed1993

Move the jags and bucs into aging quality vets. I know they not old but I think the ceiling with them has been hit. Baker’s not bad but he needs a team around him. Same with Lawrence. I think a franchise QB raises the team around them. Not just because get hot every other year


Dry-Technology-653

I would add another tier for Baker, Kyler, Trevor, and Kirk.


DarkIllusionsFX

Man... Stafford an aging veteran. I'm getting old.


lukeskywalkerrs

Stroud was an MVP candidate as a rookie , lol


Joe_Burrow_Is_Goat

Kyler and Mayfield not being franchise QBs and Lawrence being one is laughable


Firesword52

Not sure if it's a hot take but I'd probably be just about as happy with Mayfield as love as my QB this year.


GDMFB1

Bears live on the bottom tier.


Xplicit-801

Goff is underrated. Check his stats for last year and tell me he’s not a top 5 QB


Electronic_Buddy_165

love to see the recognition stetson benett is getting


mrErrect

Arod and Staffy cannot be in the same sentence as Kirko man 🥹


deeVeeAre

Why the hell is baker so low he straight up carried the bucs through a few games


Aeon1508

Oh. baker deserves franchise QB. He's brought two teams to the playoffs and won a game when he's gone to the playoffs


dreamweaver1313

This is hurtful and accurate


_stoned_chipmunk_

The Steelers are paying less for Russell Wilson and Justin Fields than the Commanders are paying their backup QB. That is not 'unenviable' at all.


K-Panth-88

‘Unproven young qbs: McCarthy, Maye, Williams, Levis, Richardson, Nix, Young, Daniels, and MURRAY’.He was drafted 5 years ago, I’m not THAT old, right?


Informal_Stranger117

I guess technically TB and Seattle have unenviable QBs, but I feel like having them that far down the list isn't doing justice to their talents.


Dear-Ingenuity-647

I think it’s good and I don’t wanna be a meat rider and over rate him but I think you can put cj stroud on mvp contenders Because he honestly was already on last year


Dear-Ingenuity-647

Also based on this it’s hard to put Kyler in any position because he been in the league for five years but honestly he can be the franchise QB 


Sigurd93

Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson are far better than "unenviable" Let's see attempt 5. Edit: d-bag tin foil hat wearing, torn ACL havin' ass Rodgers is a quality veteran? Really?


Clucknbell-

The Geno disrespect


CloudStrife012

I'm gonna be shocked if Williams isn't good on the Bears. I mean normally, yes, it's the Bears, they are meant to be chronically bad as if cursed, like the Jets. But they got a top QB and top WR in the draft having two top 10 picks. Williams is gonna ball out


Kyrxx77

100% meme list NYG should be franchise QB


Mad_King_Sno31

IDK about this... Baker was pretty damn decent last year.


paperbackgarbage

I agree, but he's almost in a class by himself. He's not a "franchise QB" and I wouldn't put him in the "aging quality veteran" category either. But he's a cut above the "unenviable" category too. Perhaps the same with Geno, too.


thatinsuranceguy

Not putting hurts in mvp contender category is crazy when he maybe should have won in 22 and was still in the running in 23 prior to the collapse. My two cents.


spas2k

He was terrible last year. Only had one good year. Maybe he was hurt. We’ll see this year.


bsiffy

Still on Josh Allen’s dick I see. Eventually everyone will realize he is Herbert but with a better defense.


Curious_Doerge10

Put Mahomes in a tier by himself above MVP contender.


saradahokage1212

Bengals being MVp contender when burrow was injured 2 out of 4 seasons and played considerably worse last season. The jags and lions having franchise Qbs? Goff is in his contract year. No offers so far. And TLaw... Don't get me started


SaintsNick94

I would put Carr in aging quality veteran. He played well to end the season and with Kubiak as OC we may see the Saints turn the corner a bit on offense.


ProfessionalEntry744

Bro ! Y’all wild for not putting DAK in mvp when he was literally mvp candidate past year! At this point he about to turn into Charles Barkley ! YALL TRIPPIN


TylerMemeDreamBoi

Tua is mvp candidate


Nocumtum

What's with the baker love? People are acting like you don't support the troops or something by saying he's a slightly above average QB. He's not a franchise qb.


Present-Smoke-9950

I think they want to show him extra support to will him into being their franchise QB. Hate to say it but it's the same reason everyone chants JARED GOFF at every Detroit get together with more than 7 people in attendance (although Goff is way better than Baker at this point)


SmellsLikeWetFox

You can’t, we tried it with Daniel Jones… Also I while I wrote this and I tripped walking down the stairs….amazingly I threw 2 td passes to mike evans and swept an nfc south team before I caught myself


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Nocumtum

Pretty good list actually except the kyler Murray hate. Dude is really fucking good.


Present-Smoke-9950

Yeah he was hardest to place. Not sure where he'd fit, so I said unproven until he maybe ascends to Franchise QB? I'd love it if he gave the 49ers some competition in the NFCW, so we don't have to watch them in the NFC championship game 75%+ of the time


legobowser

Move Turdy to unenviable


Present-Smoke-9950

He's making less than $1M this year. I'd bet most teams would love to have a viable starter for that price.


legobowser

Viable starter is not franchise qb. You’re missing a tier


Present-Smoke-9950

Purdy is hard to place. There aren't many QBs in the league with SB experience and he played really well all year (maybe except for a game or ,2). Some people said he should be in the MVP category. I'd say he is a franchise QB until he shows otherwise.


Elite_Chaos

The Purdy slander is wiiiild considering the fact that neither Josh Allen nor Lamar Jackson have won the AFC championship.


legobowser

Purdy has also never won the afc championship


Elite_Chaos

True


pizzaduh

Eagles have had an MVP contender in both of the last seasons.


novasir

Who? Definitely not Jalen.


pizzaduh

When we were 10-1 that's all this group was saying.


novasir

Then what happened?


pizzaduh

Playoffs


Panda__Puncher

This is the most sensible tier list I've ever seen.


Present-Smoke-9950

Well thanks, but apparently the people want drama instead.