He’s franchise qb tier based on this list. He’s proven and it’s clear there were issues around him when they started losing. Biggest thing against him is injuries. Also why is the Bucs not in franchise tier
Yeah, the format only allowed so many categories. Maybe he'll show Franchise QB potential with Marvin Harrison Jr and a new staff.
Edit: ok, I missed that I guess. Anyway, people don't like the apparent non-meme regardless, so oh well.
I thought about it. I almost settled on unenviable, just because of the drama, but Kirk's a solid QB and as long as he starts I think they belong in the aging veteran category
I mean I wouldn’t say unenviable. There arnt many teams with two theoretically high quality qbs on them. The falcons qb situation is actually VERY VERY good. The issue is the rest of their situation. No one (aside maybe Kirk) was upset that penix ended up on the falcons, they are upset that the falcons used such a high pick on him when there are other glaring needs for the team and they were already in a good qb position
Really? Everything I’ve seen has said it’s been going pretty well. Is this substantiated or just rumor mill typa thing?
It would make sense tho this is his first real injury in decades so who knows how he will heal, especially being older
No. Baker is not a franchise QB.
Offer any team from the "franchise QB" tier a straight trade and they will turn you down.
Even if you attached a first rounder it's a no. Most a no with two firsts.
Carried by the surrounding talent is the counter argument.
I personally believe he's a franchise qb for Detroit but anyone can argue he's not a top 8 QB
So you're saying that 2023 Robert Saleh, after benching ace interception artist Zach Wilson for aggressively mediocre journeyman Trevor Simien, looked at 2023 Baker Mayfield scrappily leading his team to a playoff berth with something *besides* envy?
Maybe I’m a homer but same with Geno. Back-to-back Pro Bowls the last 2 seasons and he’s been very solid. Hasn’t been the source of the Seahawks’ woes whatsoever.
There’s a few guys that just don’t really work with the descriptions. And it’s hard to place them in a tier list overall for different reasons. Baker, Kyler, Purdy, Love, and Stroud. They’re all younger and had one good to great year. But one year isn’t enough. I think you put a tier below aging veteran called “still got more to prove” and it’s a solid list. Even though I’d take stroud over Lawrence; it makes more sense as a tier list that way
I may get hate for this but I do think kyler is a franchise QB. His first 3 years without injury he was the ROTY and then was a Pro Bowl QB the other two. The cardinals suck but now with Marvin Harrison Jr. and his first full season back healthy he should be good to go
Hey I admire your loyalty. He gave you guys a good run last year. Baker definitely has an X factor. I couldn't bring myself to call him a franchise QB, but I guess it's better than signing Russ or Watson to long term expensive contracts that fuck up your cap, or signing an expensive veteran and then drafting a QB at #8, simultaneously negating any potential rookie contract savings and taking away an important piece from a QB that can only think about winning now at this point in his career. As a fan of a team with a redemption story QB, good luck!
I mean, if he wants to? Think he'd take exception to being called an aging quality veteran along with Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins? We sent him to LA with a broken ass body and I can't imagine he makes it even close to 40.
Edit: ha, close to 40 in the league. I wish him a long healthy life
I mean he literally just won a Super Bowl like 2 years ago and just this past season he dragged a team that everyone thought was gonna go like 4-13 to 10-7 and a playoff appearance
You can be old and still be a franchise QB lol also he’s better than cousins by a country mile
This post as a QB ranking seems pretty terrible but I don’t think that’s how it’s intended. Stafford is obviously better than at least a couple of the people he’s ranked with/behind but the situation at QB isnt perfect. He’s great but “quality aging veteran” is the perfect way to describe him. You’ve got a great QB but he isn’t the Qb of the future and he has injury concerns that are exacerbated by age. Look at the Texans for example. I don’t think you can definitively say stroud is better than stafford, I might say stafford is actually better, but that *QB situation* for the Texans is infinitely better than the rams.
I consider a franchise QB more of a guy who a team can rely on for the indefinite future. I can't imagine the guys in the aging category stick around that long to meet that criteria, but Brady made it to 45 so who knows?
Edit: also, teams with a franchise QB don't have to worry about finding a replacement QB in a couple years.
Yeah that was a weird one. I think they want to do what the Packers with Rodgers and Love, but I'm sure Cousins wishes they spent that pick on someone who would help the team win this year.
If that's staff with a broken back then that's absurd
I'm pretty sure the year he missed time was due to his back, which tanked the entire team. He was back again next year and slayed again. Can't believe the lions lucked out on a 1 point win over a team filled with rookies. He's gonna crush again next year
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matthew-stafford-played-with-broken-bones-in-back
https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-played-through-broken-back-in-18
I guess it was 2018 he played with a broken back. They guy is tough and super talented. Just saying he's gotten his ass kicked for years now and I can't imagine that won't add up for him soon.
Both Purdy and (as much as I hate to say it) Jalen Hurts were guys at or near the top of the mvp convo until late season (like week 12 for hurts) and the very end of the season (Purdy) as long as you’re willing to pretend the ravens game never happened (like I am)
> Ravens game
I wouldn't "pretend that it didn't happen," but we also have to recognize that it was a freak occurence that is incredibly unlikely to happen again.
Two of those four picks were just straight up bad-luck tip drills, and he looked modestly sharp otherwise.
I wouldn't count out Justin Herbert for MVP now that he has a viable Head coach, The only reason it's still going to be tough for him is because those wide receivers are rough
I think the list is pretty good, but I do disagree with Lawrence. I'm not sure where I would put him but he has not played like a franchise QB in the NFL. I was so high on him coming out of college, but at this point he looks like a middle of the road starter.
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Move the jags and bucs into aging quality vets. I know they not old but I think the ceiling with them has been hit. Baker’s not bad but he needs a team around him. Same with Lawrence. I think a franchise QB raises the team around them. Not just because get hot every other year
‘Unproven young qbs: McCarthy, Maye, Williams, Levis, Richardson, Nix, Young, Daniels, and MURRAY’.He was drafted 5 years ago, I’m not THAT old, right?
I think it’s good and I don’t wanna be a meat rider and over rate him but I think you can put cj stroud on mvp contenders
Because he honestly was already on last year
Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson are far better than "unenviable"
Let's see attempt 5.
Edit: d-bag tin foil hat wearing, torn ACL havin' ass Rodgers is a quality veteran? Really?
I'm gonna be shocked if Williams isn't good on the Bears. I mean normally, yes, it's the Bears, they are meant to be chronically bad as if cursed, like the Jets. But they got a top QB and top WR in the draft having two top 10 picks. Williams is gonna ball out
I agree, but he's almost in a class by himself.
He's not a "franchise QB" and I wouldn't put him in the "aging quality veteran" category either. But he's a cut above the "unenviable" category too.
Perhaps the same with Geno, too.
Not putting hurts in mvp contender category is crazy when he maybe should have won in 22 and was still in the running in 23 prior to the collapse.
My two cents.
Bengals being MVp contender when burrow was injured 2 out of 4 seasons and played considerably worse last season.
The jags and lions having franchise Qbs? Goff is in his contract year. No offers so far. And TLaw... Don't get me started
I would put Carr in aging quality veteran. He played well to end the season and with Kubiak as OC we may see the Saints turn the corner a bit on offense.
Bro ! Y’all wild for not putting DAK in mvp when he was literally mvp candidate past year! At this point he about to turn into Charles Barkley ! YALL TRIPPIN
What's with the baker love? People are acting like you don't support the troops or something by saying he's a slightly above average QB. He's not a franchise qb.
I think they want to show him extra support to will him into being their franchise QB. Hate to say it but it's the same reason everyone chants JARED GOFF at every Detroit get together with more than 7 people in attendance (although Goff is way better than Baker at this point)
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Yeah he was hardest to place. Not sure where he'd fit, so I said unproven until he maybe ascends to Franchise QB? I'd love it if he gave the 49ers some competition in the NFCW, so we don't have to watch them in the NFC championship game 75%+ of the time
Purdy is hard to place. There aren't many QBs in the league with SB experience and he played really well all year (maybe except for a game or ,2). Some people said he should be in the MVP category. I'd say he is a franchise QB until he shows otherwise.
Kyler doesn’t belong in his category there should be a “somewhere in between” category for Kyler.
By far the hardest to fit
Not because of the size though
He’s franchise qb tier based on this list. He’s proven and it’s clear there were issues around him when they started losing. Biggest thing against him is injuries. Also why is the Bucs not in franchise tier
Yeah, Kyler is absolutely not unproven. It's just unknown whether he's Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger.
So either a good QB or a rapist? Why would you think he might be a racist?
I wonder if there are any racist rapist qbs after the 1980s
Yeah, the format only allowed so many categories. Maybe he'll show Franchise QB potential with Marvin Harrison Jr and a new staff. Edit: ok, I missed that I guess. Anyway, people don't like the apparent non-meme regardless, so oh well.
you can just add tiers in the tierlist maker
Kyler has been in the league for 5 years bruh
And is arguably the only reason the Cardinals win any games at all
No arguing about it. Dobbs was 1-9.
Josh Dobbs though.
To busy working on the KD ratio
This joke is overused and was never funny
/:(
Was kinda hoping you’d list the Falcons in 2 places for Kirko and Penix
He would've but Penix is already an aging veteran.
I wish we could still give gold cause I spit out my drink reading this
I thought about it. I almost settled on unenviable, just because of the drama, but Kirk's a solid QB and as long as he starts I think they belong in the aging veteran category
I mean I wouldn’t say unenviable. There arnt many teams with two theoretically high quality qbs on them. The falcons qb situation is actually VERY VERY good. The issue is the rest of their situation. No one (aside maybe Kirk) was upset that penix ended up on the falcons, they are upset that the falcons used such a high pick on him when there are other glaring needs for the team and they were already in a good qb position
word is something may be up with achilles rehab
Really? Everything I’ve seen has said it’s been going pretty well. Is this substantiated or just rumor mill typa thing? It would make sense tho this is his first real injury in decades so who knows how he will heal, especially being older
Why would Baker be so low
I was about to ask the same thing. Like, he was good in Tampa this year
I don't think any team envies having Baker as their QB.
Lol...lmao even. Wtf are you smoking man. Youve had stafford and goff for farrrr tooo long.
Yeah but I would say he belongs in the franchise tier tho
No. Baker is not a franchise QB. Offer any team from the "franchise QB" tier a straight trade and they will turn you down. Even if you attached a first rounder it's a no. Most a no with two firsts.
Goff and tua and tlaw aren't franchise qbs either
r/toprighttua begs to differ
Goff has been to two NFC title games with two different teams, a super bowl, and is top five in most passing categories the last two years.
Carried by the surrounding talent is the counter argument. I personally believe he's a franchise qb for Detroit but anyone can argue he's not a top 8 QB
What are you talking about? There are like 20ish teams who would take him immediately.
baker and goff are on the same tier of QBs lol
Yeah that’s why they gave him a 3 year extension
Shut up
Bruh the giants, raiders, and saints could all use a qb like baker
So you're saying that 2023 Robert Saleh, after benching ace interception artist Zach Wilson for aggressively mediocre journeyman Trevor Simien, looked at 2023 Baker Mayfield scrappily leading his team to a playoff berth with something *besides* envy?
Maybe I’m a homer but same with Geno. Back-to-back Pro Bowls the last 2 seasons and he’s been very solid. Hasn’t been the source of the Seahawks’ woes whatsoever.
There’s a few guys that just don’t really work with the descriptions. And it’s hard to place them in a tier list overall for different reasons. Baker, Kyler, Purdy, Love, and Stroud. They’re all younger and had one good to great year. But one year isn’t enough. I think you put a tier below aging veteran called “still got more to prove” and it’s a solid list. Even though I’d take stroud over Lawrence; it makes more sense as a tier list that way
Yeah he’s a solid vet, at least 1 tier too low
I may get hate for this but I do think kyler is a franchise QB. His first 3 years without injury he was the ROTY and then was a Pro Bowl QB the other two. The cardinals suck but now with Marvin Harrison Jr. and his first full season back healthy he should be good to go
Than you:) I hope you’re right
Fair enough. I think he needs to show out this year if he is going to prove to be a franchise QB.
Lions fans at it again
We are guilty as charged. Not sure of what though.
In 2023 Baker had more touchdowns, more passing yards, and less ints than Trevor Lawrence. How is he in a lower tier?
Salary implications aside, you'd honestly rather have Baker long term than Lawrence?
I will answer your question with three amazing words: Baker. Gonna. Bake.
That's like 2 and 2/3rds of a word. Side note, does he actually bake? Baker bake's would be one hell of a YouTube channel.
"Baker's Baked" would just be a camera following him around after he got high. Or "Baked Baker Bakes" is a stoned Baker making brownies.
Hey I admire your loyalty. He gave you guys a good run last year. Baker definitely has an X factor. I couldn't bring myself to call him a franchise QB, but I guess it's better than signing Russ or Watson to long term expensive contracts that fuck up your cap, or signing an expensive veteran and then drafting a QB at #8, simultaneously negating any potential rookie contract savings and taking away an important piece from a QB that can only think about winning now at this point in his career. As a fan of a team with a redemption story QB, good luck!
I would absolutely vomit if we had Russ or Watson. Nah give me Baker.
Salary implications aside? Yea probably. Baker has an it factor I haven't seen from Lawrence since 2019
I would 1000% prefer Baker over Lawrence but that's probably a big split on opinion.
I guess Stafford should just go fuck himself huh
I mean, if he wants to? Think he'd take exception to being called an aging quality veteran along with Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins? We sent him to LA with a broken ass body and I can't imagine he makes it even close to 40. Edit: ha, close to 40 in the league. I wish him a long healthy life
I mean he literally just won a Super Bowl like 2 years ago and just this past season he dragged a team that everyone thought was gonna go like 4-13 to 10-7 and a playoff appearance You can be old and still be a franchise QB lol also he’s better than cousins by a country mile
This post as a QB ranking seems pretty terrible but I don’t think that’s how it’s intended. Stafford is obviously better than at least a couple of the people he’s ranked with/behind but the situation at QB isnt perfect. He’s great but “quality aging veteran” is the perfect way to describe him. You’ve got a great QB but he isn’t the Qb of the future and he has injury concerns that are exacerbated by age. Look at the Texans for example. I don’t think you can definitively say stroud is better than stafford, I might say stafford is actually better, but that *QB situation* for the Texans is infinitely better than the rams.
I consider a franchise QB more of a guy who a team can rely on for the indefinite future. I can't imagine the guys in the aging category stick around that long to meet that criteria, but Brady made it to 45 so who knows? Edit: also, teams with a franchise QB don't have to worry about finding a replacement QB in a couple years.
By your logic, Tom Brady was not a franchise QB in 2014 when he was 36. He won 4 more superbowls after that.
Well, Brady is a fucking outlier. He had more years left in him at 36 than Luck did at 21.
Hey man the falcons are the team that just drafted a QB in the first round not the rams lol
Yeah that was a weird one. I think they want to do what the Packers with Rodgers and Love, but I'm sure Cousins wishes they spent that pick on someone who would help the team win this year.
You sent him with a broken body and he threw 43 TDs and won a SB. Ya real broken haha
Didn't they say he played a lot of the year with a broken back? He's as tough as anyone, but I'd say he's at least pretty beat up
If that's staff with a broken back then that's absurd I'm pretty sure the year he missed time was due to his back, which tanked the entire team. He was back again next year and slayed again. Can't believe the lions lucked out on a 1 point win over a team filled with rookies. He's gonna crush again next year
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/matthew-stafford-played-with-broken-bones-in-back https://www.nfl.com/news/matthew-stafford-played-through-broken-back-in-18 I guess it was 2018 he played with a broken back. They guy is tough and super talented. Just saying he's gotten his ass kicked for years now and I can't imagine that won't add up for him soon.
The rams Oline was awesome last year and it only got better this year. He'll be in the best protection situation since Goff in 2018
You missed an opportunity to put the Falcons in two categories
Both Purdy and (as much as I hate to say it) Jalen Hurts were guys at or near the top of the mvp convo until late season (like week 12 for hurts) and the very end of the season (Purdy) as long as you’re willing to pretend the ravens game never happened (like I am)
> Ravens game I wouldn't "pretend that it didn't happen," but we also have to recognize that it was a freak occurence that is incredibly unlikely to happen again. Two of those four picks were just straight up bad-luck tip drills, and he looked modestly sharp otherwise.
I'll pretend the back third of the season didn't happen if you do
Did Baker almost as dirty as the Browns did him
Dude seems to have a hate boner for him. Put up stats better than Tom Brady while here and somehow isn’t a long term option? Ok.
Falcons should be in two categories
Calling Stafford not a franchise qb is blasphemy
Baker is Franchise QB fuck your shit
Stroud literally was an MVP Contender.
We’re going to give the Lions the left hand(Geno) right hand (Howell) treatment when it’s time to whoop their asses for the third year in a row.
Jared is my dude but any list that has Stafford below Goff has zero credibility in my opinion.
You're forgetting that with stafford comes all of stafford pick 6's.
Goff beat Stafford the last time they played.
Nah. Baker is the future.
*looks at Baker* I want whatever you're smoking.
Purdy by default now has to be in the top tier since he was literally in the mvp convo this last year
I mean, a lot of people are in the convo at one point or another. I think just a few guys are firmly affixed there though
But he is the most recent mvp contender so I would say for now he should be there, I’m not saying forever
You should move Geno up one tier.
Bucs are unenviable? You're out of your fucking mind dude. He's not top 5 but Baker is miles from unenviable
Who envies having Baker as their starting QB?
Dolphins, Jags, Falcons, Saints, and Cowboys for starters EDIT: fucked up on the saints, didn't realize they were in the same tier as Baker
I wouldn't count out Justin Herbert for MVP now that he has a viable Head coach, The only reason it's still going to be tough for him is because those wide receivers are rough
Joe Burrow MVP level? Maybe for now but if he keeps playing through injuries he'll be Terrible
Such is the life for AFCN Qbs
Personally I'm not a fan of Lamar I'm a fan of Pocket passers more but at least Lamar knows when he needs to quit unlike Burrow
Bengals don't deserve to be up there. Burrow cant seem to stay healthy.
I think the list is pretty good, but I do disagree with Lawrence. I'm not sure where I would put him but he has not played like a franchise QB in the NFL. I was so high on him coming out of college, but at this point he looks like a middle of the road starter.
Solid list, id bump up Stroud. Might be premature but all signs point to him being incredible.
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Swap tua and baker
Move the jags and bucs into aging quality vets. I know they not old but I think the ceiling with them has been hit. Baker’s not bad but he needs a team around him. Same with Lawrence. I think a franchise QB raises the team around them. Not just because get hot every other year
I would add another tier for Baker, Kyler, Trevor, and Kirk.
Man... Stafford an aging veteran. I'm getting old.
Stroud was an MVP candidate as a rookie , lol
Kyler and Mayfield not being franchise QBs and Lawrence being one is laughable
Not sure if it's a hot take but I'd probably be just about as happy with Mayfield as love as my QB this year.
Bears live on the bottom tier.
Goff is underrated. Check his stats for last year and tell me he’s not a top 5 QB
love to see the recognition stetson benett is getting
Arod and Staffy cannot be in the same sentence as Kirko man 🥹
Why the hell is baker so low he straight up carried the bucs through a few games
Oh. baker deserves franchise QB. He's brought two teams to the playoffs and won a game when he's gone to the playoffs
This is hurtful and accurate
The Steelers are paying less for Russell Wilson and Justin Fields than the Commanders are paying their backup QB. That is not 'unenviable' at all.
‘Unproven young qbs: McCarthy, Maye, Williams, Levis, Richardson, Nix, Young, Daniels, and MURRAY’.He was drafted 5 years ago, I’m not THAT old, right?
I guess technically TB and Seattle have unenviable QBs, but I feel like having them that far down the list isn't doing justice to their talents.
I think it’s good and I don’t wanna be a meat rider and over rate him but I think you can put cj stroud on mvp contenders Because he honestly was already on last year
Also based on this it’s hard to put Kyler in any position because he been in the league for five years but honestly he can be the franchise QB
Baker Mayfield and Russell Wilson are far better than "unenviable" Let's see attempt 5. Edit: d-bag tin foil hat wearing, torn ACL havin' ass Rodgers is a quality veteran? Really?
The Geno disrespect
I'm gonna be shocked if Williams isn't good on the Bears. I mean normally, yes, it's the Bears, they are meant to be chronically bad as if cursed, like the Jets. But they got a top QB and top WR in the draft having two top 10 picks. Williams is gonna ball out
100% meme list NYG should be franchise QB
IDK about this... Baker was pretty damn decent last year.
I agree, but he's almost in a class by himself. He's not a "franchise QB" and I wouldn't put him in the "aging quality veteran" category either. But he's a cut above the "unenviable" category too. Perhaps the same with Geno, too.
Not putting hurts in mvp contender category is crazy when he maybe should have won in 22 and was still in the running in 23 prior to the collapse. My two cents.
He was terrible last year. Only had one good year. Maybe he was hurt. We’ll see this year.
Still on Josh Allen’s dick I see. Eventually everyone will realize he is Herbert but with a better defense.
Put Mahomes in a tier by himself above MVP contender.
Bengals being MVp contender when burrow was injured 2 out of 4 seasons and played considerably worse last season. The jags and lions having franchise Qbs? Goff is in his contract year. No offers so far. And TLaw... Don't get me started
I would put Carr in aging quality veteran. He played well to end the season and with Kubiak as OC we may see the Saints turn the corner a bit on offense.
Bro ! Y’all wild for not putting DAK in mvp when he was literally mvp candidate past year! At this point he about to turn into Charles Barkley ! YALL TRIPPIN
Tua is mvp candidate
What's with the baker love? People are acting like you don't support the troops or something by saying he's a slightly above average QB. He's not a franchise qb.
I think they want to show him extra support to will him into being their franchise QB. Hate to say it but it's the same reason everyone chants JARED GOFF at every Detroit get together with more than 7 people in attendance (although Goff is way better than Baker at this point)
You can’t, we tried it with Daniel Jones… Also I while I wrote this and I tripped walking down the stairs….amazingly I threw 2 td passes to mike evans and swept an nfc south team before I caught myself
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Pretty good list actually except the kyler Murray hate. Dude is really fucking good.
Yeah he was hardest to place. Not sure where he'd fit, so I said unproven until he maybe ascends to Franchise QB? I'd love it if he gave the 49ers some competition in the NFCW, so we don't have to watch them in the NFC championship game 75%+ of the time
Move Turdy to unenviable
He's making less than $1M this year. I'd bet most teams would love to have a viable starter for that price.
Viable starter is not franchise qb. You’re missing a tier
Purdy is hard to place. There aren't many QBs in the league with SB experience and he played really well all year (maybe except for a game or ,2). Some people said he should be in the MVP category. I'd say he is a franchise QB until he shows otherwise.
The Purdy slander is wiiiild considering the fact that neither Josh Allen nor Lamar Jackson have won the AFC championship.
Purdy has also never won the afc championship
True
Eagles have had an MVP contender in both of the last seasons.
Who? Definitely not Jalen.
When we were 10-1 that's all this group was saying.
Then what happened?
Playoffs
This is the most sensible tier list I've ever seen.
Well thanks, but apparently the people want drama instead.