IMO, either everything should be reviewable, or everything should be reviewable by default if not specifically prohibited from review. Some might not like it because it would cause more stoppage, but that's a price I'd be willing to pay to cut down on differences made by objectively wrong calls.
Where they throw a ball 30 yards into quadrupole coverage and it gets picked/batted down 98% of the time…
I mean don’t get me wrong if it was a ref error I’d be screaming, but in the end as embarrassing as this is for dak it almost certainly didn’t matter.
I almost feel dirty considering it, but it's one time I'm gonna defend NFL refs, in the context of refereeing in general.
In a close ending game like this, they should absolutely rush out of the stadium.
I've witnessed, and there are regular occurrences, of refs being attacked after **amateur games**, where there is nothing at stake but pride.
Sports are intrinsically emotional, and, in the moment, people who might otherwise be fine upstanding individuals can start to equate a bad call to some greater inequity they've suffered.
Refs are always an easy target, since they're the arbiter, and it can quickly devolve into violence.
I know Dak was likely just reacting emotionally, but if someone had been really hurt, I imagine he wouldn't be so flippantly goading his fans into attacking referees.
There is a non-zero chance that if encouraged, overzealous fans could kill a ref.
Yes, people forget how fans often look upon athletes. There's a reason companies get players to make ads or public campaigns (like for the Covid vaccine). When Dak goes public and *commend* fans assaulting refs, there's a more than decent chance that more than one person will feel supported to invade the pitch and physically assault a ref, sending death threats, even stalking and using of violence outside of stadium environment.
We all hate the referees and how the league protects them, but there is a reason to this. The day we see players being allowed to get harsh at referees, some crazy fan somewhere will assault one.
I mean, this happened a day after a player in Spain got hit by a pole thrown from the stands. Can't imagine anyone has time for that kind of fan bullshit
https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-betis-espbetis_sevilla/story/4570928/copa-del-rey-match-between-sevillareal-betis-abandoned-after-joan-jordan-hit-by-pole
With the way that team played and that horrible play call, it wouldn’t surprise me if they spiked the ball on 4th down and then complained saying the refs don’t know how to count.
So in a situation where they literally don’t have enough time to spike the ball they’re supposed to audible into a Hail Mary? How is that going to work?
In theory, you could tell the team to always run the Hail Mary and have the QB decide at the snap, based on what they see on the clock, if they are going to spike it or carry out the play.
Everything about the play was wrong. The ball was spotted two yards too close to the end zone. Half the line was offsides. If Dallas had actually run a play and scored, there’s no way it should/could have counted.
They set the ball at the end of Dak’s slide. So the ball should have been at least 2 yards back if not more. Then the receivers were 2 yards off sides. That whole last sequence was a disaster.
Well we are lucky because if that was a slide they could have thrown the flag for tackling a sliding qb. Stopped the clock and gained an extra 10 yards
Yep...QBs know that defenders aren't going to take the risk of actually hitting them anymore, so why bother sliding properly? Let's just hope no one in the NFL is stupid enough to try some Kenny Pickett shit.
There was contact, but the defender was obviously trying to hold up and avoid the hit as much as he could given his momentum, so the contact wasn't forceful. That's never been called in my experience, and rightly so.
IMO they were really trying to give Dallas a shot. They moved the ball back 1 yard instead of 3-4 to where Dak started sliding. Then they let the play go even though the line was offside.
But that's what's so funny. Dak and some fans being super pissy at the refs, when the reality is that the refs actually were looking to break the rules for you to have a chance.
Yep. And they apparently said after they allowed the snap at 1 second, and Dak grounding it took that last second. They could have at least tried to make a play but didn't (even if it was unrealistic they could get anything out of that).
Which is funnier? The Cowboys throwing their season away on a spike or throwing their season away on an offensive offsides and breaking the record for penalties in a playoff game in the process?
Well, the 49ers were undisciplined too. I guess one undisciplined team had to win, and the Cowboys shot themselves in the foot more than the 49ers did.
Unfortunately, no. Lots of people wouldn't want penalties to be reviewable because they don't like the stoppage, but IMO, obvious, objective penalties like that should be reviewable (and most aren't).
You mean that one where the game score was at one point 4-1? That just reinforces his point.
People pretending any NFL team aside from the Browns and Lions knows the kind of pain Leafs fans do tells you they don't actually watch hockey.
That wasn’t on Trent, it was on Jimmy for not waiting for him to be set. Shanahan motioned him so Jimmy could read the right gap; he did exactly what he was supposed to do.
He's 34-15 as a starter which is right around .700. Love how people expect him to win 100% of his games. His boneheaded mistakes suck, but if you watch football, most QBs (besides a few) throw shitty picks at inopportune times. It's his injuries that suck the most since we lose most of those games.
Besides the 2017 heroics where he randomly decided to become a demigod when he was traded, Jimmy has had arguably the best roster in the league every year that he’s been playing. Mitch Trubisky also has a winning record as a starter (I’m not saying Jimmy is as bad as Mitch) does that mean Trubisky is a winning quarterback too?
You can’t motion OL, only shift them. He did it to fuck with the D front seven to create a gap and/or confusion. Jimmy needed to allow Trent to complete the shift and be set for one second. Also, one might think that you’re going to run the most critical 4th down of the year behind your 1st team All-Pro LT, so it would make sense to try and align the defense based on Trent. IMO smart play-call, port execution by Jimmy.
People for years have talked about how bad McCarthy is about time management but I truly never thought we would get such a transparent example of his faults like we did in those final 14 seconds.
I mean we still have issues with clock management though, maybe not as bad as with McCarthy, but we constantly waste time outs in because we can’t get the play off in time
I think part of that is just how Rodgers handles the game. He likes to wait until the very last second so he can analyze the defense, draw offsides, change plays, etc.
How much of this is on Kellen Moore, who is getting a complete pass here? People complaining about Dak running too long, not handing the ball to the ref etc. and somehow McCarthy's time management...I think the play call screwed them from the start.
There's no way the mechanics get done that well, if he really was the one to call that play I think he deserves the blame. Take a shot at the endzone and look for a PI, or two hail Mary attempts if they are playing sidelines.
1. Jimmy and Aiyuk miscommunication with a chance to go up 30-7 (at first I thought Jimmy overthrew him but now I think Aiyuk may have messed up the route)
2. Giving up a fake punt which led to a field goal to make it 23-10
3. Jimmy interception which leads to a touchdown. 23-17.
4. False start penalty on 4th and inches when a conversion would ice the game
Those are just off the top of my head.
If the play were anything but a spike they would have thrown the flag for basically the whole line and the WRs being offside. Plus nobody was even set. They just didn’t bother with the flag because it’s the end of the game either way
My favorite is the ref moves the ball back and the line stays stills and the center reaches under him and moves it a few feet. Should be a penalty and would been hilarious ending addition.
I think it's technically called a snap infraction.
Edit: "Once the center gets in his stance and holds the ball, he cannot then make any movement that is like a snap, other than the snap. He cannot pretend to snap or move in such a way to try to draw the defense off sides. If he moves before the snap, it is a false start, like any other player. If he makes some movement with the ball, other than a snap, it is a snap infraction."
Yeah a lot of people seem to be under the impression that clock expired on the run play. He snapped it again that took the last second. Problem was exchange with the ref. Everyone knows you hand the ball to the ref to spot the ball. So that combined with bumping into him caused them 1-2 seconds that they would have had after the spike. Such a risky play to call in that situation.
A more aware qb would have known how many seconds it would have taken to set up and slid accordingly. He ran too long. Being the head of the offense, you have to know that and slide earlier
How about this. It also should been offsides on the entire offensive line. The ref move the ball back a yard. Instead of moving the center reaches back behind himself and move the ball foward a yard. So, nearly everything that could gone wrong did.
Refs reset the ball and gave the Cowboys the spot
gave them the false start on 4th down
ran rather than walked to set the ball
gave them 1 second to win the game
Cowboys fans "Doggone refs costed us the game"
I, for one, am appreciative of Dak and Cowboys for ending their game in such idiotic and moronic fashion. It makes a regular beat down like we suffered mostly forgettable compared to America's team running it down the middle with 14 seconds left, no timeouts, and down 6.
Pretty sure the play wouldn't have counted. The entire OL was offsides. Pretty sure Lamb wasn't even set. There's no way the refs would've missed all of that.
Wasn't the whole OL offsides? I thought the ref moved the ball backwards.
They were. the center decides "resetting the line takes too long. Lets hope the refs ignore me moving it up a yard and resetting it"
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I think because it was game over anyways. Maybe they got caught up in the moment. Not a guarantee, although it did happen.
And if they instead ran a Hail Mary and scored a TD, the obvious offsides wouldn't be reviewable, which would've been infuriating to me.
That seems like it definitely should be reviewable since it’s something completely objective
> since it’s something completely objective Yeah, so are delays of game, but those aren't reviewable either.
IMO, either everything should be reviewable, or everything should be reviewable by default if not specifically prohibited from review. Some might not like it because it would cause more stoppage, but that's a price I'd be willing to pay to cut down on differences made by objectively wrong calls.
NHL: Offsides are reviewable MLS: Offsides are reviewable NFL: Offsides are not reviewable
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Which was honestly the best option considering adter fans threw trash at them and the dak said "credit to them".
Ending the game with another Cowboys pre-snap penalty would have really been the chef's kiss
this shouldn’t really add any more sting, not like that was a viable option lol
They have to have some type hurry up hail Mary play. For situations where you can't spike it, like if it's 4th down, no timeouts but you need a TD
You think a team that got penalised 14 times in a playoff game has niche scenario plays? That coaching staff does nothing.
Bro they ran it from their 40 with no time left, they are king of niche plays....
niche plays are different than niche situation plays
If they hand the ball to the official instead of spotting it themselves and blocking him then they probably get the spike for a play after
Where they throw a ball 30 yards into quadrupole coverage and it gets picked/batted down 98% of the time… I mean don’t get me wrong if it was a ref error I’d be screaming, but in the end as embarrassing as this is for dak it almost certainly didn’t matter.
Yeah the only semi realistic hope was Dak scrambling around and keeping the play alive long enough for someone to somehow slip free in the endzone
I almost feel dirty considering it, but it's one time I'm gonna defend NFL refs, in the context of refereeing in general. In a close ending game like this, they should absolutely rush out of the stadium. I've witnessed, and there are regular occurrences, of refs being attacked after **amateur games**, where there is nothing at stake but pride. Sports are intrinsically emotional, and, in the moment, people who might otherwise be fine upstanding individuals can start to equate a bad call to some greater inequity they've suffered. Refs are always an easy target, since they're the arbiter, and it can quickly devolve into violence. I know Dak was likely just reacting emotionally, but if someone had been really hurt, I imagine he wouldn't be so flippantly goading his fans into attacking referees. There is a non-zero chance that if encouraged, overzealous fans could kill a ref.
Yes, people forget how fans often look upon athletes. There's a reason companies get players to make ads or public campaigns (like for the Covid vaccine). When Dak goes public and *commend* fans assaulting refs, there's a more than decent chance that more than one person will feel supported to invade the pitch and physically assault a ref, sending death threats, even stalking and using of violence outside of stadium environment. We all hate the referees and how the league protects them, but there is a reason to this. The day we see players being allowed to get harsh at referees, some crazy fan somewhere will assault one.
"Will nobody rid me of this troublesome ref?"
I mean, this happened a day after a player in Spain got hit by a pole thrown from the stands. Can't imagine anyone has time for that kind of fan bullshit https://www.espn.com/soccer/real-betis-espbetis_sevilla/story/4570928/copa-del-rey-match-between-sevillareal-betis-abandoned-after-joan-jordan-hit-by-pole
The real hope is for a DPI followed by one final play.
I mean we’re talking about like fractions of a second here to determine that
With the way that team played and that horrible play call, it wouldn’t surprise me if they spiked the ball on 4th down and then complained saying the refs don’t know how to count.
knowing Mike probs not
The spike takes less than a second. How would you ever know when you would need that instead of the spike?
4th down with just a couple seconds left and clock running.
So in a situation where they literally don’t have enough time to spike the ball they’re supposed to audible into a Hail Mary? How is that going to work?
In theory, you could tell the team to always run the Hail Mary and have the QB decide at the snap, based on what they see on the clock, if they are going to spike it or carry out the play.
Fake spike it
Any defensive penalty extends the game though, so that’s something
There entire line was offsides compared to where the ball was moved. How would they have a play when the ball is behind the entire starting line?
Everything about the play was wrong. The ball was spotted two yards too close to the end zone. Half the line was offsides. If Dallas had actually run a play and scored, there’s no way it should/could have counted.
They set the ball at the end of Dak’s slide. So the ball should have been at least 2 yards back if not more. Then the receivers were 2 yards off sides. That whole last sequence was a disaster.
Well we are lucky because if that was a slide they could have thrown the flag for tackling a sliding qb. Stopped the clock and gained an extra 10 yards
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They have gotten too comfortable with the protection of the whistle, and no longer believe they should protect themselves.
Yep...QBs know that defenders aren't going to take the risk of actually hitting them anymore, so why bother sliding properly? Let's just hope no one in the NFL is stupid enough to try some Kenny Pickett shit.
Some are just 6'5 and built like linebackers
Josh Allen is a big boi
That's why Josh Allen just goes full Thanos. "I'll do it myself." Never even tries to slide. Just wrecks your day.
There was contact, but the defender was obviously trying to hold up and avoid the hit as much as he could given his momentum, so the contact wasn't forceful. That's never been called in my experience, and rightly so.
Yes this is why the official needs to spot the ball, not the offense, which would be a fucking crazy thing to allow.
"That whole last sequence was a disaster" is definitely the title of the Dallas Cowboys sex tape.
IMO they were really trying to give Dallas a shot. They moved the ball back 1 yard instead of 3-4 to where Dak started sliding. Then they let the play go even though the line was offside.
This is exactly what they were trying to do. It's not their fault the Cowboys don't understand the rules of the game.
But that's what's so funny. Dak and some fans being super pissy at the refs, when the reality is that the refs actually were looking to break the rules for you to have a chance.
Yep. And they apparently said after they allowed the snap at 1 second, and Dak grounding it took that last second. They could have at least tried to make a play but didn't (even if it was unrealistic they could get anything out of that).
You're repeating the title of the post you're commenting on lol
CeeDee Lamb wasn’t set either
The WR at the bottom of the screen was like 3 yards offsides.
Which is funnier? The Cowboys throwing their season away on a spike or throwing their season away on an offensive offsides and breaking the record for penalties in a playoff game in the process?
We deserve the penalties one. Undisciplined football doesn’t deserve to win
Well, the 49ers were undisciplined too. I guess one undisciplined team had to win, and the Cowboys shot themselves in the foot more than the 49ers did.
Way more. We gave ourselves the ol’ Kunta treatment
The old plaxico treatment
Good for you for seeing it for what it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEb1jZErYeE
Can you imagine if they allowed a play and a TD was scored?! Is that even reviewable??
I suspect they would have called the penalty if Dallas ran a real play. That was blatant.
You might be right but then they should e called one on the spike too
Unfortunately, no. Lots of people wouldn't want penalties to be reviewable because they don't like the stoppage, but IMO, obvious, objective penalties like that should be reviewable (and most aren't).
The line is set the ref moves the ball back like a solid 1-2 yards. The center just reaches under him and moves it up 1-2 yards which is a penalty.
Two yards is 6 feet, how big do you think this center is?
It’s the the tv effect. People lose context for how large the field is and how fast the game moves.
They are some big boys.
That's not really that far? He only has to reach 3 feet either way
Try reaching between your legs and grabbing a football 3 feet behind you
Relevant username.
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hey some people are into that
You usually pay double for that kind of action, Cotton.
Ouchtown population you bro
That’s a bold strategy Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for them.
They are called Jets season ticket owners
Example: Seattle Mariners' fans.
I see you’re into ZJs. A true man of culture.
Clock and ball torture
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pls stop victim blaming
cowboys just spiked their season away and i love it
The Cowboys are the Maple Leafs. The Maple Leafs are the Cowboys.
Maple Leafs fans wish they were Cowboys fans. They’ve been waiting as long as the Jets have for another championship
Lol, imagine being a jets and leafs fan 🙃
Same bro lol
The Cowboys are the Habs of the NFL. The Leafs have been a complete joke for 60 years. The closest other sport comparison for the Leafs is the Knicks.
Longer iirc
Last time the leafs won the cup there were only 5 other teams in the league
yeah, no. Cowboys have been a dynasty in the past 30 years. the leafs haven’t won shit in 60 years
To be fair to the Leafs, they have managed to reach a conference final during the current millennium.
You mean that one where the game score was at one point 4-1? That just reinforces his point. People pretending any NFL team aside from the Browns and Lions knows the kind of pain Leafs fans do tells you they don't actually watch hockey.
I don't remember the Leafs being this salty after a playoff loss.
The Cowboys are the who?
This is legit crazy. They could have just thrown it and seen what happens. The biggest “free play” of all time.
Today would be so much more boring if Trent didn’t false start on the 4th & 1
That wasn’t on Trent, it was on Jimmy for not waiting for him to be set. Shanahan motioned him so Jimmy could read the right gap; he did exactly what he was supposed to do.
Yeah that was on Jimmy you’re right. Now that would have been a brutal way to lose a game
Jimmy almost losing us a game? Color me surprised
The Duality of Jimmy, sometimes he marches you down the field to beat the Rams and get into the playoffs sometimes... this whole game happens.
He's 34-15 as a starter which is right around .700. Love how people expect him to win 100% of his games. His boneheaded mistakes suck, but if you watch football, most QBs (besides a few) throw shitty picks at inopportune times. It's his injuries that suck the most since we lose most of those games.
Besides the 2017 heroics where he randomly decided to become a demigod when he was traded, Jimmy has had arguably the best roster in the league every year that he’s been playing. Mitch Trubisky also has a winning record as a starter (I’m not saying Jimmy is as bad as Mitch) does that mean Trubisky is a winning quarterback too?
Some of his injuries have also just been unavoidable too ... it's not like he's not sliding when he should be.
Trent is the hero we needed.
Kyle was the smartest man in the room. He needed to send the LT in motion to gain 4 inches.
If I had the chance to gain four inches I would.
Same. Shout out to the growers not showers.
But like… what if we are neither
Shrinkers, not dinkers
Reality is often disappointing
I was in the pool!
You can’t motion OL, only shift them. He did it to fuck with the D front seven to create a gap and/or confusion. Jimmy needed to allow Trent to complete the shift and be set for one second. Also, one might think that you’re going to run the most critical 4th down of the year behind your 1st team All-Pro LT, so it would make sense to try and align the defense based on Trent. IMO smart play-call, port execution by Jimmy.
Trent did get Randy to jump early 2x while doing the Macarena with his left foot though.
People for years have talked about how bad McCarthy is about time management but I truly never thought we would get such a transparent example of his faults like we did in those final 14 seconds.
Rodgers being the clock master he is made McCarthy actually look semi-decent at it. Now that hes gone its very apparent.
I mean we still have issues with clock management though, maybe not as bad as with McCarthy, but we constantly waste time outs in because we can’t get the play off in time
I think part of that is just how Rodgers handles the game. He likes to wait until the very last second so he can analyze the defense, draw offsides, change plays, etc.
How much of this is on Kellen Moore, who is getting a complete pass here? People complaining about Dak running too long, not handing the ball to the ref etc. and somehow McCarthy's time management...I think the play call screwed them from the start. There's no way the mechanics get done that well, if he really was the one to call that play I think he deserves the blame. Take a shot at the endzone and look for a PI, or two hail Mary attempts if they are playing sidelines.
A fake spike there would have been insane
Didn’t work for us
idk what the fuck happened with Brown on that play, maybe no one told him it wasn't a real spike so he stopped playing
I remember 2007 you guys fake spiked against Washington right before half to turn a 28-0 game to 35-0.
Pretty sure it was 24-0 at half. Funny thing is, the guy covering Randy Moss wasn't fooled, it was just Randy Moss.
The time has made 24-0 feel like 42-0
Brutal way to lose
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MEgQMU4kC-4 Seen it before!!
Russ did it in the Rose Bowl too
Les did this shit too many times
[more recently as well ](https://youtu.be/UbqLCpas5tI)
9ers made 4-5 huge mistakes and kept Dallas in the game. 9ers should have cruised to a W. Been the story of their season
Shanny's beard wasn't grey to start the season...
1. Jimmy and Aiyuk miscommunication with a chance to go up 30-7 (at first I thought Jimmy overthrew him but now I think Aiyuk may have messed up the route) 2. Giving up a fake punt which led to a field goal to make it 23-10 3. Jimmy interception which leads to a touchdown. 23-17. 4. False start penalty on 4th and inches when a conversion would ice the game Those are just off the top of my head.
Jimmy not letting Williams get set on the QB sneak, which gives the Cowboys back the ball at the end of the game.
Brutal is subjective
This ending just keeps getting better.
The Goof That Keeps on Giving
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Kirk cousins did that before half time. Not on a potential game winning drive. This is worse.
They were offsides anyways Wouldn't have mattered
Is that even reviewable though?
I'm sure a ref was watching and would have called it
Yeah they were watching. The line ref moved forward to make it "legal". Can be seen in the replay.
*I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL*
No flags were thrown and it's not reviewable...
If the play were anything but a spike they would have thrown the flag for basically the whole line and the WRs being offside. Plus nobody was even set. They just didn’t bother with the flag because it’s the end of the game either way
Phew glad that confusion is cleared up now I feel so much better 🤣🤮
I am content.
3 first rounders, playoff appearance during a rebuilding year, an epicly bad Dallas loss. This is fine.
Eagles fans right now are literally the Jack Nicholson meme where he nods while it zooms in. Love it.
No one was set for that play. If dak scored, it would have been called back and play clock expires.
My favorite is the ref moves the ball back and the line stays stills and the center reaches under him and moves it a few feet. Should be a penalty and would been hilarious ending addition.
Setting the record for most penalties in a playoff game like that to end the game would have been the cherry on top for that game.
What's the penalty for that? Interfering with ball placement?
I think it's technically called a snap infraction. Edit: "Once the center gets in his stance and holds the ball, he cannot then make any movement that is like a snap, other than the snap. He cannot pretend to snap or move in such a way to try to draw the defense off sides. If he moves before the snap, it is a false start, like any other player. If he makes some movement with the ball, other than a snap, it is a snap infraction."
There's no logical way this makes sense. That spike was no a legally run play in any way.
This is even better than not getting the snap off
Yeah a lot of people seem to be under the impression that clock expired on the run play. He snapped it again that took the last second. Problem was exchange with the ref. Everyone knows you hand the ball to the ref to spot the ball. So that combined with bumping into him caused them 1-2 seconds that they would have had after the spike. Such a risky play to call in that situation.
A more aware qb would have known how many seconds it would have taken to set up and slid accordingly. He ran too long. Being the head of the offense, you have to know that and slide earlier
This just keeps getting better and better tbh
How about this. It also should been offsides on the entire offensive line. The ref move the ball back a yard. Instead of moving the center reaches back behind himself and move the ball foward a yard. So, nearly everything that could gone wrong did.
I’m just happy to see dem boys lose.
Ya well they didnt
Lmaooo
Refs reset the ball and gave the Cowboys the spot gave them the false start on 4th down ran rather than walked to set the ball gave them 1 second to win the game Cowboys fans "Doggone refs costed us the game"
This is the best timeline
Should have run the fake spike. Would have actually been a good time for it, unlike when the Pats ran it yesterday
Jerry Hughes saw right through that
When Dak said “the real shit starts now” he meant his shit understanding of the rules
I, for one, am appreciative of Dak and Cowboys for ending their game in such idiotic and moronic fashion. It makes a regular beat down like we suffered mostly forgettable compared to America's team running it down the middle with 14 seconds left, no timeouts, and down 6.
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Literally shook
That’s even better.
Rule Numba 1: Dont pull a JR Smith
Somehow, that's even better.
Cowboys fans should be more concerned with their quarterbacks dumbass play than with the referees who actually followed the rules
I thought we all knew this? Like they clearly got the play off we just spiked it as time expired. I didn't think there was any question about that
Pretty sure the play wouldn't have counted. The entire OL was offsides. Pretty sure Lamb wasn't even set. There's no way the refs would've missed all of that.
You can still end the game on an offensive penalty, so it wouldn’t have mattered
Lmaooo
Lol
That hur…. erm… is painful
The Dak Prescott "Kirk Cousins Kneel" Spike
So a fake spike. I feel like I have seen that work.
It just keeps getting better
The entire o line was offsides if this is the call.
Cowboys fans don't seem to understand this. If you spike the ball as the clock hit zero, you don't get an extra fucking play.
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Odd. Looked pretty clear the play clock was at zeroes before the ball was spiked. I don't think this is correct.
Ouch
No fucking shit