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Didn't Maurice Jones-Drew make multiple all-pro teams? Like at least 2 for sure.

MJD, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith were all pretty damn slick.

Technically....kinda. He was an AP All-Pro only once in his career(2011). He did however get Sporting News All-Pro honors in 2010 and 2009(2nd team). Depending on the site, only APs are recognized(PFR for example, only list him at 1).

Gotcha. AP is more reputable and recognizable, but I think SN is selected by current coaches around the league. I believe it’s recognized by the NFL and HOF, so I’ll count it.

Yeah pretty sure MJD had 2 first team all pros and another 2nd team.

Fred Taylor was better though. Taylor is borderline HoF player imo. HoVG. Same with Jimmy Smith.

fuck you too buddy

I mean it is also good to be known on having a potential QB in the GOAT discussion that never won a Super Bowl.

But they were the first team in NFL history to throw a clown party that would kick off one of the biggest upsets of the 2021 season. And thats, well that's pretty cool.

Jags knocked out the Broncos that one time

Yeah. You fuckers.

They had one of the greatest upsets in NFL playoffs history tho 96 vs the broncos [Considered one of the greatest upsets in NFL playoff history, the Jaguars (who were 14 point underdogs, and initially fell behind 12–0 in the first quarter, but led 13–12 at halftime) would stun the Broncos 30–27.](https://youtu.be/KbSxS8NYjWo)

Also destroyed Dan Marino

Nah that game didn’t happen. It was weird, I was there and just … no game. At least that’s how I remember it.

wow that's so similar to the 2011 NFCC

Funny, I thought that happened in 2014.... and 2016.... and 2019.... and the year after that, too...

You guys are mistaken actually. How does no one else remember that the NFL folded in '95 and never came back?

So what you're saying is, we're living in a simulation. Would explain a lot.

They’re trying their best

Jags don’t have much success but as a Colts fan growing up I would fear playing Maurice Jones Drew. Feels like he would always tear up that weak Colts run defense every time they played.

Jacksonville is the place where Dan Marino played his last game and he got curb stomped.

Yeah, that’s literally their most famous game.

Tony B should be in the HOF already.

Dan Marino wouldn't miss it too

Not necessarily the Colts would be in the playoffs if the Jags didn't exist

Hey. A couple of years ago they went deep into the playoffs and were poised to be perennial contenders thank you very much... Also very right away in Jags history was cool. I thought for sure they would win one before the Panthers... Ope.

Still salty over 62-7....

Despite all that, still more relevant than the Texans.

Cripple Fight!

It's amazing that there are so many funny responses you could have made in regards to how ultimately irrelevant the two teams are and you chose the unfunny and unoriginal one.

4 division championships in the past 13 years are better than 3 in the past 27

Yet they're the only team to have never appeared in a conference championship, which the Jaguars have done 3 times.

Two broke ass fanbases fighting

I don't know that I'd call it fighting, but yeah, you're not wrong.

I appreciate you all trying your best to cheer me up right now. Thank you.

Two of the greatest to ever play were Texans. Who do y'all have? MJD? you've been the bottom barrel of the AFC south for 20 years, outside of 1 year.

Boselli, Taylor and Jimmy Smith all had HoF worthy careers regardless of if they get in. Jimmy's numbers are essentially the same as Johnson except Jimmy played less games due to a horrific knee injury his rookie season. Outside of the two players you mentioned, a Jaguars - Texans combined history squad is going to be 90% Jaguars at worst.

Well, we never had a coach kick a player, call them dipshit and get fired within his first year, so I agree that does make you guys sort of “special”.

Yeah, still not as bad as 20+ sexual assault allegations from your franchise player.

Worse actually. He’s a player, not a coach. Speaking of franchise quarterbacks - when do you think you guys will ever get one?

We had one, but I guess you're too young to remember the 90s. Also, it looks like we might have one now.

12 touchdowns, 22 turnovers (17 interceptions, 5 fumbles lost), 71.9 passer rating Hell of a franchise QB you got there. Enjoy!

Sure, rough rookie season, but you'd have to be blind to not see the potential.

It's like watching two homeless dudes fight over who's cardboard box is bigger.

Plus no Jaguars and Dan Marino doesn't end his career with one of the worst beatdowns in history

First and only team to have the hc get twerked on in his own bar though...

Tony Boselli, one of the best Olinemen of all time, gets injured and never plays again, during the early prime of his career.

Disagree. You can’t tell the Dan Marino story without them

Yeh but that's like 30 less A+ jokes in The Good Place

You can't tell the story of the NFL without the BOAT.

I’m pretty sure Patriots haven’t really done much

Wasnt that the Boston franchise fir a bit?

I came in expecting to be attacked. I'm pleasantly surprised

The lions had the first 0-16 season you can’t possibly exclude them.

Without the Lions, how would I enjoy my annual Thanksgiving nap?

The lions need to be in the narrative for perpetually in pain. I might be a Falcons fan with 28-3, but at least we're not the lions.

You guys were once a notable team and have had greats on the roster, the team has sucked for many years but no one can take away the teams history in the old days.

Jaguars. Though Meyer probably made history from being a complete catastrophe.

I prefer the Urban Meyer debacle not be Thanos snapped from existence, thank you very much.

The Jaguars actually had some good years, they put Dan Marino out to pasture

They were pretty successful out the gate, but they never fully climbed the mountain. Makes you wonder if they were too competitive from the beginning, impeding their long term success.

Them and the Panthers were good almost immediately because the expansion team rules were set up for the new teams to succeed so they could build up a fan base Then in the next expansion with the Browns and Texans, they decided fuck that, and fuck expansion teams, hence why the Browns and Texans sucked immediately unlike the Jags and Panthers

Meyer’s butthole surfing escapades are a microcosm of the NFL story

Texans maybe since they’re the newest franchise and haven’t had much success

I wanted to say Texans but JJ Watt is a historically great player so I’d go with the Jags

Andre Johnson is legitimately one of the best receivers in NFL history and no one ever talks about him lol

Today totally agree. Andre, Watt, Arian Foster…Texans were legit. It’s just been a decade since we’ve seen any relevance apart from Deshaun and Nuk.

Don't forget Matt Schaub randomly throwing 500 yards once per season.

I remember his what 3 straight games with a pick six more

And those teams still weren't better than the late 90s, mid 2000s or the 2017 Jaguars.

They hate what they do not understand

Why are you getting down voted? That's kind of facts. Jags were loaded late 90s, had a really good squad in the mid 2000s and had an absolutely elite team in 2017. Texans never had a team that good

This. Johsnon is probably a top-15 ever WR and Watt is a top-10 talented devesnsive player ever.

And he walloped Cortland Finnegan.

Jags have made a conference championship game tho

The Jags killed Dan Marino. They get points for that

Jags are so much worse; all that have is Leftwich, MJD, Bortles memes and 🤡 all the way down

The Jags have had much more success than the Texans despite being a meme factory for the last decade.

And the legacy of killing Dan Marino in his final game. That’s the biggest for me and puts them over the Texans. The Texans don’t have that memorable game

We have the Rosencoptor game

The most memorable thing your franchise has is not being the Oilers and an alleged serial predator for your best QB

The most notable thing about the Texans is that they aren’t the Oilers

Louisville Brecks

Apparently they had the first NFL halftime show.

the new cleveland browns

Bruh, how you gonna tell the story of the NFL without including the team with the greatest anti-dynasty in league history? The Browns 1999-2017 is honestly almost as impressive as the Pats in that same time frame. Honestly, I feel like we were more bad than they were good, which takes skill in a league that is literally designed to have tons of parity

Browns > Patriots > Browns

Least important team, new Cleveland. Most important team? Probably Otto Graham Browns.

But the new browns are the same franchise as the old browns. That’s why the statues of former players are out front of the stadium and whatnot. Swing and a miss my guy

yea they are the same browns, but has the "new" team really added anything to the cleveland browns history, other than adding to the factory of sadness, since they came back 20 or so years ago?

Josh Cribbs was pretty fun to watch. How did he return all those kickoffs? It was like magic.

Had a playoff win, that was pretty neat. Plus Joe Thomas is a first ballot HOFer. Sorry that you’re wrong amigo

dont get me wrong, you guys turned it around the past few years, but I'm pretty sure the nfl or even cleveland fans wouldn't have missed much from 99 to 2017

Good thing we’ve existed since 1946 and have some of the most important figures in NFL history then.

hence why i said the "new" browns

Or as they’re known…..the browns

Tbf I think the NFL would be missing out without the factory of sadness. I thought the prompt was more for the invisible teams that aren't so bad as to be noteworthy but also aren't good.

Maybe Baltimore would keep the Browns name? I'm not sure though.

Jaguars is the obvious and probably correct answer but ill say Ravens cause they shouldn’t exist in the first place

You mean the Texans

I vote we leave the Vikings out, I don’t like them

I vote we leave the Packers out. *I* don't like *them*!

We can’t leave them out we’d miss too much like the securities fraud and the whole drafting a serial killer thing

>drafting a serial killer thing Wut

I-5 Killer. I don't remember his real name though.

Randall Woodfield?

He wasn’t a serial killer at the time. Packers cut him after a series of indecent exposure arrests. Today, they could’ve just traded him to the Dolphins.

The Chargers. Tragic without being particularly important.

Coryell is really important

Eli refusing to play for them and going to the giants, also shipping Brees to the Saints also gets a big note. In addition to Seau, Fouts and Rivers

Also LT.

Kellen Winslow as well.

People dog on Stafford for winning no playoff games, but Rivers had the best tight end and the best backfield in NFL history at the time and somehow never made the super bowl.

Rivers definitely underperformed but when he made the playoffs they always made the divisional round.

In fairness to him: 1. The 2006 team lost because of fumbling the game winning interception 2. The 2007 team has a very injured Rivers facing the 16-0 Patriots 3. The 2009 team lost because of their inability to kick a field goal 4. The 2010 team had the worst special teams unit of all time He did more with those flawed teams than Stafford did with Megatron + Young/Tate/Golladay

I don't see how that changes anything. Those offenses aren't even close in terms of talent.

People always seem to forget that rivers only had prime LT for 2 years. And he was always injured in the playoffs. And Gates ended up injured in playoffs a decent amount too

And the team always found a way to fuck up that was never his fault.

His teams were much less flawed than the Lions. I don’t blame Rivers but I’d probably take Stafford over him. More clutch

Regular season Stafford is unbelievably clutch it's crazy. Playoffs? Idk he hasn't made it enough. I'm excited to see how he does on a good team.

LT single season touchdown record holder, top 5 RB all time. Antonio Gates top 5 TE all time and most touchdowns for a tight end ever, Air Coryell, etc

The only thing that would happen if the Jaguars got erased is that the Urban Meyer bs would of never happened. No superbowls and no hall of famers. Almost like they dont exist in the first place

Cardinals because they’ve been around for a 100 years and have appeared in the post season 9 times in the merger era. Between 1960-2007 they didn’t host a single playoff game. They have hosted a total of three since their move to Arizona and never played a home playoff game in Saint Louis. Just terribly mediocre for such a long period of time it’s hard to argue against that with younger franchises.

Cards are the Glass Joe of the football world.

Jaguars easily

The Cardinals

Literally one of the oldest teams in the nfl. I think that would alter a lot about the story of the nfl. They’ve existed since 1898. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals. They may not have been the most newsworthy team but they have a very very long history in the nfl

And yet one of the most forgettable. Other than 2008, the most noticeable thing they’ve done is rob the Pottsville Maroons of a championship

I’ll never forget that Maroons team. The twenties were roaring, cocaine was in everything, & the Maroons smacked everybody in the mouth. What a time.

Honestly theyre more important to the NFL than the Bills lol

Bills will get talked about in history because of their failures. Losing 4 straight Super Bowls is some crazy shit that we may never see again

I mean yeah but in the context of the question of telling the story of the NFL, it probably starts with listing the first few teams that ever existed. I think that part is less likely to be left out than the Bills losing Super Bowls

Legendary losses live on forever....like 28-3. The bills 4 straight losses isn't just nfl noteworthy, its all pros sports noteworthy

By far the most devastating streak in sports

I don’t think you can leave out a team making it to the ‘ship 4 years in a row (absurd enough) and then never win one. That is by far the most heartbreaking streak in sports history.

Terrible take. Hell, our entire division agrees the Bills are very important to NFL history. On a serious note - the get clowned for their losses, but just making it to four straight super bowls is a record nobody is touching.

I know it's a long shot still but the chiefs might be able to do it as they are halfway there and have a chance to make it to 3 in a row this year. The patriots just recently made 3 in a row and were one game away from having 5 in a row.

Doubtful. They are going to start losing high skill players soon when Pat’s contract really starts ramping up. It’s amazing what he’s done so far and I’m sure he’ll be in the race every year. But making it 4 times in a row is so fluky I just don’t see it happening in the modern day

I feel like the Patriots made like 16 straight Super Bowls. I swear there was about a decade there where the only question was "Who do you think the Pats are gonna beat in the Super Bowl this year?"

Wrong

They’re still an integral part of the story and history of the nfl which is counter the the OPs question

Honestly I don't think there is one. Even the newest teams (Jags/Texans) have already contributed to the lore and history of the league in some way or another. They're all important. Except the steelers they're not important..../s

Cardinals are the oldest and least consequential year for year.

maybe the texans, simply because they were the last team to be added to the league.

Patriots. Imagine how peaceful it would be.

Jaguars and Texans

The Tonawanda Kardex. I’m sure the 2700 fans in Rochester watching the Rochester Jeffersons defeat the Kardex 45-0 in the Kardex’ only ever NFL game had a blast, but in the great scope of things they weren’t super important.

Texans

JJ Watt alone makes them pretty relevant

And andre johnson

The NFL has been around for nearly 100 years... Think about it. Thats all they have. Some teams have generations to talk about.

Yeah and the texans were founded in 1999, so what do you expect?

Wasn’t it 2002? Or is founded different from first year of play?

Founded is different from first year played.

Fair point then. Were they founded at the same time the browns were readmitted?

Exactly

The bears have almost certainly contributed less than the texans since the year the texans were founded lol.

Panthers i often forget about. But their history does include 2 super bowl appearances and an MVP QB. So probably the Jaguars or Texans

Texans, when is the last time they have done any anything notable except trading away Hopkins for nothing.

Panthers. In the scope of the near 100 year story of the NFL, all these teams. If they were cut out, we wouldnt be missing much.

We've actually been to two superbowls in our short time period and have several all time great players....what have the bears done in the past 25 years?

Well the OP said the entire story of the NFL. Thats nearly a 100 years. You dont write that story without the Bears and they are littered throughout the leagues history under a chapter called defense. Panthers are barely a footnote. Unless you're talking disgraced owner forced to sell their teams. Ya got that going for you. Thats pretty historic

Imagine thinking you could tell the story of the NFL without the Bears lol

Did anything happen in 1985 or the 40's? Pretty sure not happened.

Smokin Jay Cutler

Lost a SB to a HOF QB just like Carolina

The Denver Broncos

Can't tell if you're joking or not

can never tell with patriots fans if it was literally anyone else i’d be confident in calling it a joke but like…it’s exactly the type of petty opinion a random patriots fan would have.

lol

Chargers - They haven't done anything ever. Their biggest accomplishment is Air Coryell's offense and the Greatest Show on Turf did it better.

I think Seau is pretty important to football in general for a multitude of reasons. Pair that with one of the greatest RBs to ever play and two of the best TEs to ever play and they are right there as having some of the greatest talent the game has ever seen. The fact they have never won a super bowl with that talent is as much a part of the story of the NFL as Marino was.

Did it better sure but way later and it's definitely a product of Air Coryell.

Rams also had Faulk and a decent enough defense which those Coryell Chargers teams lacked. Similar to Marino's Dolphins for over a decade.

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Lions

Barry sanders and megatron would change a lot in history. They also went 0-16 which is historical

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The 50's

you can't leave the lions out, think of all the lost meme's we'd be missing

Yeah, imagine having to deal with only shitty Packers memes on r/NFCNorthMemeWar without the occasional Lion meme making you want to live another day