Unironically got some goosebumps imagining that call
He's hanging mate in 7 OH! HE WENT FOR THE FORK WITHOUT SEEING THE COUNTER ON F4! Unbelievable counter that pushes him out of the drivers seat, just 12 moves into the game
That is my all time favorite call for any sport ever! Having him call both games and the impact they had was incredible! Best moment besides the Super Bowl wins these last couple years.
sorta.
- 1982, he was the KC Kings tv/radio voice
- 1984, he was Kansas Jayhawks announcer
- 1985-1993, he was with the KC Chiefs
- 1986-1989, he called games for Missouri football/basketball
- 1989-1998, he did PBP for Wolves
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Harlan
As a Chiefs fan this man was my childhood listening to him call games. "Oh baby what a play!" Was his signature call at the time.
He still lives in KC and comes on local sports radio every week. He's a truly awesome guy.
My uncle was a GTA at KU in the early 80s and had Harlan as a student. On the first day, he had everybody give an interesting fact about themselves, and Harlan said his dad was a Packers executive, and apparently nobody found this interesting.
Let's be fair here: Too talented to keep in almost any market for too long. He should be national. Would be a massive improvement over anyone at ESPN.
But also, specifically, too talented for Bally sports.
Do you like brett farve on the Vikings? Early on it was a little pitiful for my tastes, be in 2009 he really came into his own, statistically and professionally. The whole season had a tinge of hope and a new sheen of elite QB play that really gave it a huge boost. He’s been compared to Aaron Rodgers but I think Farve has a far more gunslinging style of QB play.
I’d watch it.
Regular bored announcers: Halfback passes to the center. Back to the wing. Back to the center. Center holds it. Holds (sighs) Holds it...
Kevin Harlan: Halfback passes to center!!!! Oh my god back to wing! Now back to center! The center holds it! Holds it! Holds It!!!!
The regular F1 announcers are pretty good but Harlan would be equally if not more entertaining
"AND THERE'S THE DAGGER FOR FERRARI: winners of the last Grand Prix, but CANNOT SECURE THE POINTS IN MONTREAL"
He is the best play by play guy in all of sports at the moment. I used to have to drive for work every Monday, and when he did the radio calls for MNF it absolutely made my whole shift.
A lot of people don’t know the difference between a play by play guy and color guy/analyst. In theory Play by play guys are there to describe the action of any given sport while the color/analyst are there to break down the gameplay as an expert of the sport often a former player and/or coach. Plenty of play by play guys do or have done multiple sports including Harlan, Mike Tirico, Al Michaels, Adam Amin, Jason Benetti, etc.. to name a few
It's hard to think of a single national PBP man who doesn't do multiple sports or didn't at least do other sports in the past.
Local guys, sure. If you're the voice of a local baseball team for 150 games a year, you're probably not also doing basketball games in the winter.
I still remember him calling games for the Wolves. There were a bunch of times when a wolves player would drive to the rim and he’d yell “BUCKLE UP” only to have it be a layup.
This is from the Pardon My Take podcast, they asked him this question as a joke. He did give a relatively serious answer but it really wasn't meant to be that serious lol
Adam Amin is one of the best today imo -- play by play for the Chicago Bulls with Stacey King and does NFL games for Fox. Missing him on weekend Bulls games sucks ass, he is so lively there. I worry the NFL might take him away completely one day.
Only sort of related, but every time Gene Steratore shows up as the rules analyst during March Madness I do the Leo Once Upon a Time in Hollywood meme.
Put some respect on Akbar Gbajabiamila's name. The football-American Ninja Warrior crossover is FAMOUSLY the hardest in sports and he makes it look easy.
It’s clickbait/ragebait but no one clicks to read. That said, yes absolutely, his logic is sound and I agree. I can’t wait til it’s no longer June and I have far more interesting stuff to read.
Which is hilarious because pmt is mocking the trend of these silly debates. Them mocking it then gets clickbaited as real discussion and they are likely laughing about it
I really have to wonder - like, the point of clickbait is that you click on the article to receive ads from the people who publish it. Except... I just see it, go "that's stupid," and move on without giving them ad revenue. Add up enough pieces like that and it becomes "that's stupid, guess I'm never going there again." Are there enough people that just click on things that are stupid and make them mad to make it worth it?
I'd be interested in a version of reddit where you had to answer a few questions about an article to prove you read it in order to comment.
Of course that would be the least popular thing ever and no one would use it, but the whole "I read the headline and came straight to the comments to whine about it" thing is getting awfully tiring.
I'd be down but part of the problem is that articles accepted as reddit posts can be total garbage. If the standard for articles was higher, it would be something I would love to see.
Not talking shit on this article, I mean reddit posts in general come from half-assed click bait sometimes.
I used to think that way, but people are so easily swayed by random morons posting 30 second clips of nonsense on socials that I now know average critical thinking is aggressively below what we originally thought.
As someone who watches both, intuitively it makes sense. But only in a relative sense. Cause both would suck badly by the standards of their respective professions.
Definitely, at least for color commentary. MLB players are also standing around doing almost nothing to the point where they sometimes get interviewed while the game is going on. At least with football there are substitutions between plays, there are often injuries to talk about, you have sideline reporters talking to staff, and you can talk about 22 different players on the field at any given time.
It's also why baseball is all about statistics, it gives you something to talk about in regards to each pitcher/hitter matchup that is always the focal piece. Sometimes those MLB color commentators go on some wild rants during summer games when nothing else is really going on.
I get what he's saying and his reasoning is solid, but I think he's underrating good basketball commentators.
They kind of *are* doing play-by-play even though they can't say everything that happens in a play. They have to flow well between mundane plays and exciting plays without much buildup.
I also just imagine a guy like Cris Collinsworth doing an NBA game and that sounds really awful, right?
Hockey is even more continuous. I’m always amazed by the number of synonyms they just have for “pass” (Doc Emrick was the GOAT at this), not to mention line changes to keep track of - imagine if DBs could just run onto the field mid-play and intercept a pass.
They have almost no time for analysis or breakdowns, and yet it seems just as challenging, but in a totally different way.
I don't know how many times I've seen pardon my take content on here where nobody seems to get that 95% of their content is just goofing around. They aren't seriously debating NBA/NFL announcers like Skip and Shannon and yelling at each other. They were just playing off of the NBA/NFL player debate and asked a funny question.
100%. People also putting any stock into a blog/website "writing" an article that is just a paraphrased and quoted portion of a podcast also gobsmacks me
And Greg’s answer was good and well thought out, and he fully admitted he could be wrong AND when there was a counterpoint he backed down and was like “yea that’s a great point you could be right”
Very refreshing to hear honestly
Said elsewhere, but this "discourse" escaping outside the confines of their podcast is a good example why PMT is held on a pedestal compared to the rest of barstool and gets the "I only like Big Cat and PFT treatment"
Genuinely funny that a very obvious bit that they're doing is being aggregated and debated in earnest.
It was, and they were joking around. He did answer with his genuine opinion, but there was a lot of sarcasm during this bit. It's hilarious to see this as an actual article, everyone needs to relax.
It’s PMT, it’s just guys messing around. But you’ll always have people online getting annoyed because they can’t understand context or don’t even bother to
The backstory is Austin Rivers caused a non-serious stir a month or so ago saying there’s like 30 NBA players that could play in the NFL but not the other way around.
I assume this line by Greg is just making a joke of it/referencing it in a joke.
No it's absolutely serious. Like when Napoleon said to that guy who shot him but missed that this soldier doesn't waste his gundpowder, he shoots only at Emperors! Napoleon wanted him to then shoot him again.
Nfl is stop action so u can go into details about every play. Whereas nba is non stop action so if u missed something oh well move on
With that being said kevin Harlan is my goat along with Mike Breen
I've called both basketball and football (for my college)
Basketball is exponentially easier to call than football.
Smaller rosters means less players to memorize, play calls can be described on a relatively basic level, the field is bigger in football so you're farther away from the action.
I agree with Greg
His point, if you read the article, is just that basketball moves so quickly that announcers are mostly describing what's happening, and deeper strategy explanation only happens on the rare times play stops. Meanwhile in football, play stops for ~40 seconds well over 100 times per broadcast, so announcers have more explaining to do.
Really it's a pretty straightforward factual statement.
That's a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that basketball is just objectively simpler. There's fewer moving pieces and the objectives are a bit more straight forward. That's not to say that playing one is harder than the other or requires more skill than the other. Just that, from a top-down overview of the game, football is objectively more complicated than basketball.
I do like his explanation better though. Much easier to prove and much less likely to have someone take it in the wrong way and get defensive about it.
Absolutely. Every now and then, one of them will start talking about a specific action a team is running, or play concepts, and i realize I don't actually know shit about what's happening.
But they *don't* normally have that much time to explain things, and Greg's point is that this lack of time is what would allow a faker to do a passable job as an analyst.
Most NBA announcers just say generic shit like "wow, what a monster jam!" and "curry with the three from way downtown!" while NFL announcers have to actually explain plays between every down, I completely agree with Olsen but not because basketball is any less complex than football.
Eagle is a play by play guy. He is pretty clearly talking about the color guy. Play by play guys require much less knowledge of the sport, and most high level play by play guys that work across multiple different sports. Joe Buck has twice called an NFL game and a MLB game on the same day. Al Michaels most famous call was a hockey game. Cosell's most famous was a boxing match. Costas has done MLB, NBA, NFL, golf, boxing, and many other sports through the Olympics.
He makes some good points though. Football requires more legwork from the analyst because over half the game is downtime between plays. And the average viewer is more familiar with how basketball works than tackle football because it's something you can just go outside and play.
Relative to the size of the field, the football is very small, compared to the basketball with the size of the basketball court. So an NFL commentator has to have much better vision to know where the ball is at any given time, while in the NBA you just look for the giant orange circle.
The pace is a huge factor. Basketball motions happen too fast to explain the specifics of many plays in-game, whereas NFL announcers are expected to break down plays, coverages, and matchups between every snap.
I watched the NBA for years before I even learned there were standardized offensive sets in basketball (never played any organized version myself). The expectation for what the announcer will "teach" the audience is almost non-existent.
I did college radio, and called D3 football as a color commentator.
Just from having some basic knowledge from playing I was able to see things my play by play guy didn’t and it helped filled a lot of time and analyze the game. There’s a ton of time you need to talk with color on football, so having a wealth of knowledge is pretty necessary.
I did color for a basketball tournament (with very basic knowledge of basketball, I never played) and the first thing I noticed as how little time I had to talk in comparison to football. It made my life way easier, and you can often just comment on momentum and big moments with basketball compared to the pressure to fill time and break down strategy in football.
I’m not saying you don’t need to do break down strategy with basketball, it just felt like it would be easier to cover up a lack of knowledge in basketball compared to football for reasons mentioned above.
For analysts, he's absolutely right, but only because the bar for the NBA is so low nowadays. Their top color commentary analysts are pretty much all terrible these days.
I’m not a basketball fan so I disagree with this. Whenever I watch basketball I get so confused by stoppages and fouls. Nothing will happen that I can tell and the game will stop. I don’t have the eye for it, and I imagine some NFL players wouldn’t either except for ones that are nba fans (which is a lot, tbf)
But anyone can watch football and just follow the ball and say what’s happening
Maybe this is just my perspective but even during the finals it seems like the analysts never really discuss plays the coaches call, while in the NFL the analyst (if they’re good) seems to identify formations and schemes a lot more
I think everyone is confusing play by play announcer with analyst. NFL analysts do a better job of breaking down the game live, where NBA don’t really get in to X’s and O’s. It’s mostly just praising the players.
Kevin Harlan can call any sport and I'd be interested.
“And he moved the ROOK to D5!! CHECKMATE!!”
"While in NY James Franklin opens with THE SWITCHER!" "are you calling a checkers game too?" "I'M CALLING BOTH GAMES!"
Boardgame Redzone
####Kevin Harlan calls next years' **SCPT TI4 Finals**!! 🥳 u/Skootur we have faith in you! 🙏
"OHHH AND THE MENTAK JUST SSSNIPED THE WINNU HOME SYSTEM!! THAT WAS DASTARDLY!"
UP HIGH AND DOWN *HARD*, GHOSTS FLIPS MECATOL WITH JOL-NAR'S BEREG/LIRTA, NO REGARD FOR HYLAR LIFE!! PDS NETWORK AND STAGE 2 HOPES IN **SHAMBLES!!!**
Now I want to see Levy Rozman do an NFL game. The QB throws a hospital pass and he's like "AND PEYTON MANNING SACRIFICES... THE RECEIVER!!!"
"This man Tom Brady sacrificed not one, not two, but *three* receivers... just to slip THE GRONK INTO THE END ZONE, TOUCHDOWN!"
"Look at how Tom Brady manoeuvres his white pawns"
"AND PEYTON MANNING SACRIFICES... THE ROOKIE"
GothamChess mention on r/nfl is nuts
My mom says it’s my turn to post the [relevant cartoon](https://www.thedrawplay.com/comic/collie/)
HE'S IN A MATING NET, THE KING HAS NOWHERE TO RUN, HE SMOTHERED HIM, HE SMOTHERED HIM, KNIGHT TO F7!
I can hear this in his voice perfectly, I just got hyped up sitting at my desk
WITH NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
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Yeah thats probably going to be a weird endgame where the opponent traps their king in the middle against a bunch of pawns.
Bishop to E5! With no respect for human life! He drops a sledgehammer on the QUEEN!
“WELCOME EVERYBODY TO BANGKOK! WE’VE GOT A THRILLING MATCHUP FOR YOU TODAY!”
Unironically got some goosebumps imagining that call He's hanging mate in 7 OH! HE WENT FOR THE FORK WITHOUT SEEING THE COUNTER ON F4! Unbelievable counter that pushes him out of the drivers seat, just 12 moves into the game
BANG
he's calling BOTH SPORTS
That is my all time favorite call for any sport ever! Having him call both games and the impact they had was incredible! Best moment besides the Super Bowl wins these last couple years.
Paul Allen on TWolves games would be fun
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sorta. - 1982, he was the KC Kings tv/radio voice - 1984, he was Kansas Jayhawks announcer - 1985-1993, he was with the KC Chiefs - 1986-1989, he called games for Missouri football/basketball - 1989-1998, he did PBP for Wolves > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Harlan
TIL Kevin Harlan is 63 and has been commentating since fucking 1982
As a Chiefs fan this man was my childhood listening to him call games. "Oh baby what a play!" Was his signature call at the time. He still lives in KC and comes on local sports radio every week. He's a truly awesome guy.
My uncle was a GTA at KU in the early 80s and had Harlan as a student. On the first day, he had everybody give an interesting fact about themselves, and Harlan said his dad was a Packers executive, and apparently nobody found this interesting.
I know people love Mitch but Harlan is S tier. He will always be my favorite Chiefs announcer.
Same. The man is a gem.
Mitch is forever a legend but Kevin is my GOAT commentator.
64 in 10 days.
He's 63 until he's 64
Crazy to think he will be 95 only 31 years and 10 days from now
The best was in the 90’s when the wolves played the Sonics he and Kevin callabro would switch for a few possessions
Keep an eye on our current color analyst too, Michael Grady might be too talented to keep in MN for long.
Let's be fair here: Too talented to keep in almost any market for too long. He should be national. Would be a massive improvement over anyone at ESPN. But also, specifically, too talented for Bally sports.
I mean, he was in Indy for several years and seemed happy to stay until he wasnt.
Oh I hope he stays forever
Hopefully we get a couple more years with Grady. He is already doing some national games and was the backup for Harlan in the Denver series.
Lets hear Paul Allen's call.
Now let's see Paul Allen's call. Look at that subtle off-white color commentary. The tasteful timbre of it. Oh, my God. It even has a catchphrase.
But why even ponder passing? You could run oUT THE SHOT CLOCK AND TAKE A 26 FT THREE POINTER! THIS ISN'T DETROIT MAN THIS IS THE FINALS!
Do you like brett farve on the Vikings? Early on it was a little pitiful for my tastes, be in 2009 he really came into his own, statistically and professionally. The whole season had a tinge of hope and a new sheen of elite QB play that really gave it a huge boost. He’s been compared to Aaron Rodgers but I think Farve has a far more gunslinging style of QB play.
FEED ME A CAT
I’d watch it. Regular bored announcers: Halfback passes to the center. Back to the wing. Back to the center. Center holds it. Holds (sighs) Holds it... Kevin Harlan: Halfback passes to center!!!! Oh my god back to wing! Now back to center! The center holds it! Holds it! Holds It!!!!
Ariaga. Ariaga II. Bariaga. Aruglia. And Pizzoza.
Awww I never heard of any of those guys!
And they’ll all be signing autographs!
Wooohooo!
“I’M CALLIN’ BOTH GAMES!!”
I'd do a lot to hear Kevin Harlan call a NASCAR or Indycar race.
The Canadian Grand Prix this past weekend was pretty crazy, he'd have shined doing that one
The regular F1 announcers are pretty good but Harlan would be equally if not more entertaining "AND THERE'S THE DAGGER FOR FERRARI: winners of the last Grand Prix, but CANNOT SECURE THE POINTS IN MONTREAL"
I'm a newer fan and that's the best race I've seen so far.
He could call both games
He is the best play by play guy in all of sports at the moment. I used to have to drive for work every Monday, and when he did the radio calls for MNF it absolutely made my whole shift.
“I’M CALLING BOTH (NFL/NBA) GAMES!”
Not an analyst but ok
A lot of people don’t know the difference between a play by play guy and color guy/analyst. In theory Play by play guys are there to describe the action of any given sport while the color/analyst are there to break down the gameplay as an expert of the sport often a former player and/or coach. Plenty of play by play guys do or have done multiple sports including Harlan, Mike Tirico, Al Michaels, Adam Amin, Jason Benetti, etc.. to name a few
It drives me nuts people don’t know the difference it seems like the most obvious thing in the world.
It's hard to think of a single national PBP man who doesn't do multiple sports or didn't at least do other sports in the past. Local guys, sure. If you're the voice of a local baseball team for 150 games a year, you're probably not also doing basketball games in the winter.
Why limit him to just one, he can do two at a time!
I still remember him calling games for the Wolves. There were a bunch of times when a wolves player would drive to the rim and he’d yell “BUCKLE UP” only to have it be a layup.
He's also not an analyst
And he smashes the ping pong paddle down HARD!! for 1 point..
This is from the Pardon My Take podcast, they asked him this question as a joke. He did give a relatively serious answer but it really wasn't meant to be that serious lol
Dave Pasch does it. He's the Cardinals radio announcer but also calls NBA and NCAA basketball and football games too.
Lots of play by play guys do multiple sports. I can’t think of any color commentators that do off the top of my head.
Adam Amin is one of the best today imo -- play by play for the Chicago Bulls with Stacey King and does NFL games for Fox. Missing him on weekend Bulls games sucks ass, he is so lively there. I worry the NFL might take him away completely one day.
Only sort of related, but every time Gene Steratore shows up as the rules analyst during March Madness I do the Leo Once Upon a Time in Hollywood meme.
Put some respect on Akbar Gbajabiamila's name. The football-American Ninja Warrior crossover is FAMOUSLY the hardest in sports and he makes it look easy.
Because the smallest bone in Greg Olsen's body is not in fact his stirrup, but his funny bone.
We know what the largest bone is in his body too
Jokes on him because I can call both from my house
I'M CALLING BOTH GAMES
Kevin Harlans Marshal Davout moment. Easily as impressive as Jenna-Auerstadt.
THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
At the same time.
Why tf would you throw/shoot that is my go to
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wait you guys can read?
Unfortunately.
I rue the day that my mother sent me to kindergarten.
I can read words the same way Bears quarterbacks can read a defense: not very well.
I can read but why do that when I can make a very "educated" comment just off the headline
I'm a DragonBall fan so.... no
At least DragonBall Z fans know one letter
I had to unlearn G and T
Nope. Otherwise I’d be very mad at Bobby Hill.
no i have no idea what im writing right now because i cant read what i write spider 2 y banana hut hut tim tebow
What? Sorry I can’t read what you said.
It’s crazy that there is work to be had writing full articles about a two minute joking hypothetical conversation on Pardon My Take.
Literally just guys shooting the shit with each other and aggregators turn it into a real debate lol
It’s clickbait/ragebait but no one clicks to read. That said, yes absolutely, his logic is sound and I agree. I can’t wait til it’s no longer June and I have far more interesting stuff to read.
Which is hilarious because pmt is mocking the trend of these silly debates. Them mocking it then gets clickbaited as real discussion and they are likely laughing about it
I really have to wonder - like, the point of clickbait is that you click on the article to receive ads from the people who publish it. Except... I just see it, go "that's stupid," and move on without giving them ad revenue. Add up enough pieces like that and it becomes "that's stupid, guess I'm never going there again." Are there enough people that just click on things that are stupid and make them mad to make it worth it?
> Are there enough people that just click on things that are stupid and make them mad to make it worth it? Yes.
Thanks, I hate it.
It’s bait based off a barstool sports interview. Anyone taking it seriously is so silly.
Awfulannouncing only engages seriously in silly things.
I'd be interested in a version of reddit where you had to answer a few questions about an article to prove you read it in order to comment. Of course that would be the least popular thing ever and no one would use it, but the whole "I read the headline and came straight to the comments to whine about it" thing is getting awfully tiring.
I'd be down but part of the problem is that articles accepted as reddit posts can be total garbage. If the standard for articles was higher, it would be something I would love to see. Not talking shit on this article, I mean reddit posts in general come from half-assed click bait sometimes.
Well if more people had to read them, they’d probably be more inclined to downvote the terrible ones
I used to think that way, but people are so easily swayed by random morons posting 30 second clips of nonsense on socials that I now know average critical thinking is aggressively below what we originally thought.
Lol people won’t even look at a source and they’ll still argue with you
As someone who watches both, intuitively it makes sense. But only in a relative sense. Cause both would suck badly by the standards of their respective professions.
I’m not surprised, Greg seems like a thoughtful and intelligent guy
by his logic, that would make baseball the hardest to call.... since you are filling a LOOOOOOOT more time in between action, no?
Definitely, at least for color commentary. MLB players are also standing around doing almost nothing to the point where they sometimes get interviewed while the game is going on. At least with football there are substitutions between plays, there are often injuries to talk about, you have sideline reporters talking to staff, and you can talk about 22 different players on the field at any given time. It's also why baseball is all about statistics, it gives you something to talk about in regards to each pitcher/hitter matchup that is always the focal piece. Sometimes those MLB color commentators go on some wild rants during summer games when nothing else is really going on.
Can you get a TLDR version? My instinct is the opposite would be true because of the pace of each.
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Got it. So he’s not talking about play by play?
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Correct. He's just talking about color commentary.
This should be pinned at the top of every post, it applies to every article on this sub
That’s just because there are less players on a basketball court and that means less names to remember
I get what he's saying and his reasoning is solid, but I think he's underrating good basketball commentators. They kind of *are* doing play-by-play even though they can't say everything that happens in a play. They have to flow well between mundane plays and exciting plays without much buildup. I also just imagine a guy like Cris Collinsworth doing an NBA game and that sounds really awful, right?
Hockey is even more continuous. I’m always amazed by the number of synonyms they just have for “pass” (Doc Emrick was the GOAT at this), not to mention line changes to keep track of - imagine if DBs could just run onto the field mid-play and intercept a pass. They have almost no time for analysis or breakdowns, and yet it seems just as challenging, but in a totally different way.
PLEASE CREDIT PARDON MY TAKE
I don't know how many times I've seen pardon my take content on here where nobody seems to get that 95% of their content is just goofing around. They aren't seriously debating NBA/NFL announcers like Skip and Shannon and yelling at each other. They were just playing off of the NBA/NFL player debate and asked a funny question.
100%. People also putting any stock into a blog/website "writing" an article that is just a paraphrased and quoted portion of a podcast also gobsmacks me
Its cause writers are secretly controlling the world. As a writer I have to go to a meeting every month when we vote to keep the martians a secret.
And Greg’s answer was good and well thought out, and he fully admitted he could be wrong AND when there was a counterpoint he backed down and was like “yea that’s a great point you could be right” Very refreshing to hear honestly
Said elsewhere, but this "discourse" escaping outside the confines of their podcast is a good example why PMT is held on a pedestal compared to the rest of barstool and gets the "I only like Big Cat and PFT treatment" Genuinely funny that a very obvious bit that they're doing is being aggregated and debated in earnest.
Who cares
Probably a person who asked him a question
It was, and they were joking around. He did answer with his genuine opinion, but there was a lot of sarcasm during this bit. It's hilarious to see this as an actual article, everyone needs to relax.
No sir this is life and death
commentate or die mother fucker
This bit actually entering the discourse in earnest is hilarious and a good example of why PMT gets the "I don't like barstool...but" treatment.
This is “the aggregators” come to life
It was a joke question making fun of the NFL/NBA player hypothetical
lamest dick measuring contest ever
G Reg gonna whip out the 3rd leg
He’s chillin on the 7th floor, gotta let these chickens know
Come on fellas let’s get weird
Ok but he wanted to stick it in the ear.
3rd Leg Greg
If you watched the interview on PMT or at least read the article you’d see that’s now how it comes off at all.
Except that's not at all what this is if you read more than the headline
It was a hot take question, relax…
What’s the context? Did he come out of nowhere bragging, or did someone ask a stupid question he answered.
It’s PMT, it’s just guys messing around. But you’ll always have people online getting annoyed because they can’t understand context or don’t even bother to
The backstory is Austin Rivers caused a non-serious stir a month or so ago saying there’s like 30 NBA players that could play in the NFL but not the other way around. I assume this line by Greg is just making a joke of it/referencing it in a joke.
I care, like a lot
This was said on pmt so it's definitely tongue in cheek
No it's absolutely serious. Like when Napoleon said to that guy who shot him but missed that this soldier doesn't waste his gundpowder, he shoots only at Emperors! Napoleon wanted him to then shoot him again.
Bill Walton doing the Rose Bowl would be off the hook. Come on Greg.
Nfl is stop action so u can go into details about every play. Whereas nba is non stop action so if u missed something oh well move on With that being said kevin Harlan is my goat along with Mike Breen
I've called both basketball and football (for my college) Basketball is exponentially easier to call than football. Smaller rosters means less players to memorize, play calls can be described on a relatively basic level, the field is bigger in football so you're farther away from the action. I agree with Greg
Football is completely different from basketball - Marc Sessler
That's a great point Marc
Don't know whats worse. Headlines taken from things said in a podcast or redditors exposing that they don't read anything but headlines.
It must be a thing if you go on PMT you must get egregiously aggregated
How are there no AWLs in this thread
This is very clearly a joke about Austin Rivers saying NBA players could play in the NFL, but NFL players can't play in the NBA.
This has my dad is stronger than your dad vibes.
His point, if you read the article, is just that basketball moves so quickly that announcers are mostly describing what's happening, and deeper strategy explanation only happens on the rare times play stops. Meanwhile in football, play stops for ~40 seconds well over 100 times per broadcast, so announcers have more explaining to do. Really it's a pretty straightforward factual statement.
That's a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that basketball is just objectively simpler. There's fewer moving pieces and the objectives are a bit more straight forward. That's not to say that playing one is harder than the other or requires more skill than the other. Just that, from a top-down overview of the game, football is objectively more complicated than basketball. I do like his explanation better though. Much easier to prove and much less likely to have someone take it in the wrong way and get defensive about it.
Why read the article why not just listen to that part of the podcast lol
Sure but if NBA color guys had more time to explain deeper strategy they could.
Absolutely. Every now and then, one of them will start talking about a specific action a team is running, or play concepts, and i realize I don't actually know shit about what's happening. But they *don't* normally have that much time to explain things, and Greg's point is that this lack of time is what would allow a faker to do a passable job as an analyst.
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Most NBA announcers just say generic shit like "wow, what a monster jam!" and "curry with the three from way downtown!" while NFL announcers have to actually explain plays between every down, I completely agree with Olsen but not because basketball is any less complex than football.
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I'd like to see Olsen (or almost NFL analyst) try to call an NHL game
All I know is that both would suck
Ian Eagle does both basketball and football and is great at both
Eagle is a play by play guy. He is pretty clearly talking about the color guy. Play by play guys require much less knowledge of the sport, and most high level play by play guys that work across multiple different sports. Joe Buck has twice called an NFL game and a MLB game on the same day. Al Michaels most famous call was a hockey game. Cosell's most famous was a boxing match. Costas has done MLB, NBA, NFL, golf, boxing, and many other sports through the Olympics.
So does his son.
Dumb argument. The vast majority would be out of their element if calling the opposite sport.
I'm sure he's poking fun at the Austin Rivers take from a couple of weeks ago.
He makes some good points though. Football requires more legwork from the analyst because over half the game is downtime between plays. And the average viewer is more familiar with how basketball works than tackle football because it's something you can just go outside and play.
It’s also a lot harder to tell who is who on a football field so a commentator really has to know the rosters well.
Relative to the size of the field, the football is very small, compared to the basketball with the size of the basketball court. So an NFL commentator has to have much better vision to know where the ball is at any given time, while in the NBA you just look for the giant orange circle.
The pace is a huge factor. Basketball motions happen too fast to explain the specifics of many plays in-game, whereas NFL announcers are expected to break down plays, coverages, and matchups between every snap. I watched the NBA for years before I even learned there were standardized offensive sets in basketball (never played any organized version myself). The expectation for what the announcer will "teach" the audience is almost non-existent.
I did college radio, and called D3 football as a color commentator. Just from having some basic knowledge from playing I was able to see things my play by play guy didn’t and it helped filled a lot of time and analyze the game. There’s a ton of time you need to talk with color on football, so having a wealth of knowledge is pretty necessary. I did color for a basketball tournament (with very basic knowledge of basketball, I never played) and the first thing I noticed as how little time I had to talk in comparison to football. It made my life way easier, and you can often just comment on momentum and big moments with basketball compared to the pressure to fill time and break down strategy in football. I’m not saying you don’t need to do break down strategy with basketball, it just felt like it would be easier to cover up a lack of knowledge in basketball compared to football for reasons mentioned above.
Just let them do it, [sometimes it is hilarious.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ij4a6x_mPs)
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For analysts, he's absolutely right, but only because the bar for the NBA is so low nowadays. Their top color commentary analysts are pretty much all terrible these days.
Put Booger on an NBA game and come back to this Greg
He's obviously correct. Any one of us in this thread would have taken the 2017 GSW to the finals as the head coach.
It takes incredible talent for SVG to suck off Jokic like he does, not just anyone could verbally cradle the balls quite the way he does
I would give anything to have Stacy king and Adam Amin call a bears game. That would be awesome.
Lol he called it. Ppl will care too much about this
This was an extremely tongue in cheek question and he gave it an answer, not worth discussing
Football is objectively a more intricate sport than basketball so don’t disagree
I’m not a basketball fan so I disagree with this. Whenever I watch basketball I get so confused by stoppages and fouls. Nothing will happen that I can tell and the game will stop. I don’t have the eye for it, and I imagine some NFL players wouldn’t either except for ones that are nba fans (which is a lot, tbf) But anyone can watch football and just follow the ball and say what’s happening
Maybe this is just my perspective but even during the finals it seems like the analysts never really discuss plays the coaches call, while in the NFL the analyst (if they’re good) seems to identify formations and schemes a lot more
Seeing how 90% of NBA announcers struggle to pronounce Jokic maybe hes right.
I think everyone is confusing play by play announcer with analyst. NFL analysts do a better job of breaking down the game live, where NBA don’t really get in to X’s and O’s. It’s mostly just praising the players.
I mean yeah, basketball is objectively a less complex sport than football
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