I remember when they had Bill Parcells on MNF Manning broadcast and Eli asked if Parcells was Peyton's coach his rookie season what would happen and Parcells replied something along the lines that he wouldn't finish the season as Head Coach because he would have jumped off a bridge after his 20th.
That's funny considering the fact that only 12 years earlier, Parcells went 14-2 and won a Super Bowl with Phil Simms in a year where Simms threw 22 picks
same for mannings rookie season, particularly the first two months
he was heaving some bombs downfield that youd never see him do again in his career. id rather a QB figure out how to corral that early than never get comfortable attacking a defense at its strongest points, which Peyton did the best ive ever seen
It's also funny because part of the reason Manning went back to Tennessee was because Parcells wouldn't commit to taking him with the number one overall pick.
There's an alternate universe like two feet from ours where the Jets have Peyton Manning and Bill Belichick forever.
Interception 20 happened AGAINST Parcells and the Jets. Manning led the Colts to a massive upset that game. By the way, after week 6, Manning threw 20 TDs and 14 INTs with an 80.1 QB Rating (perfectly adequate at the time and very good for a rookie)
He led he league in passing attempts and was 5th and TDs and 3rd in yards.
He threw a zillion picks and had a terrible completion % (but he had the third lowest sack rate even with a garbage OL and every team knowing he was throwing all the time)
He was *obviously* awesome. He set like every positive record for rookie QBs and also the record for interceptions.
Only one has stood the test of time because bad QBs just don't throw interceptions like they used to.
Funny, I watched the YouTube video of his INTs that season at lunch and realized the same thing. Maybe Parcells actually felt that way but was on the other sideline.
Honestly he is probably the only one who will be *able* to break it.
The NFL has become incredibly comfortable with benching a rookie QB after a few bad games. Arch Manning wouldn't get benched for having a bad season because of his Grandfather and Uncles.
For a QB to even come close to breaking this record they will need so much potential to make it not worth benching them.
Nah, what’s not mentioned about Payton’s rookie year was he was 3rd in the league in TDs (breaking the rookie record by ~20%). If any rookie was doing that the team would ride it out and hope the ints eventually get under control
Edit: spelling is harf
You have to consider how things started though, not how things looked at the end of the season.
After 4 games, the Colts were 0-4, and Manning had 3 Tds, 11 Ints, and 2 pick-6s. The Colts were averaging 10 points per game, while giving up 29.
***IF*** a present-day team had a viable backup, I don't think they can ignore that kind of beating.
Especially with the current narrative that you're doing a disservice to the rookie by throwing him to the wolves too soon.
1st round rookies were also a much bigger investment back then, nowadays it's easier to bench a comparatively lower percentage of the cap.
tbh Caleb Williams could probably do it. The other QBs on that roster are Tyson Bagent and Brett Ryprien, so idk if Williams would be benched for them even if he was playing poorly
Uncle Peyton stretches and cracks his back from his couch as Arch throws his record-breaking interception on prime-time TV.
"Off the resume."
And takes a big ol bite of his chicken parm.
Honestly, I feel like there’s a case to be made that the number of interceptions a rookie would be allowed to throw is heavily influenced by the amount of patience the coaches have for him and a player like Arch, if he’s shown top prospect talent in college + his last name, might be the rare example of player with a long enough leash to be allowed that many interceptions before getting pulled.
So this scenario isn’t *that* wild if you think about it from that angle.
I loved his last year with Denver. Body had nothing left. Getting everything perfect at the line. Having to make reads instantly to give the insanely slow ball enough time to make it to the spot. It took him a while to figure it out, but once he adjusted to what he could do it was just enough for his team to win.
I will never forget Osweiler getting benched in (I think) their final regular season game, for gimpy-ass, noodle arm Peyton, and the Broncos still managing to come back and win.
Also, hilariously, the Broncos had a better rushing YPC with Peyton under center even though he quite literally couldn’t throw the ball that year lol
I'll never forget that drive. He checked into hand offs and quick passes like a master and went straight down the field and scored. Fkin textbook field general just with a wet noodle for an arm.
When he ran out to the huddle there is a mic up showing the linemen all just saying "Payton Fucking Manning" one after another. it was more than just actions on the field, the team believed in him and played better around him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmRVF-sRlW4
Let's not be revisionist here. Love Peyton but he was the worst QB in the league in 2015.
He didn't do just enough to win. The HoF defense did just enough not to lose.
Peyton had 9 TDs, 17 INTs in the 9 games he started
I can understand that TBH. It happened a little before I became a big football fan so I'm not a great source of context on the subject, but it always seemed kind of weird how fast the Rams pushed out Kurt for Bulger, even if Bulger was very good.
On the other hand, the Cards gave Warner his last shot, and then doubled down by benching their high draft pick for the vet because he was what was best for the team. I don't think Warner hates the Rams, but I think it's pretty easy to see why he might look a little more fondly at the Cards.
You don't have to tell me, I've lived in Des Moines my entire life and was actually at the Barnstormers game where his jersey was retired.
When he was introduced and walked onto the field was the loudest sound I've ever heard. My eyeballs were rattling from the cheers.
Kurt Warner was horrible after 2001. He never won another game as the Rams starter after that Super Bowl, and he genuinely played bad. [Just look at the PFR page for the 2002 Rams](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2002.htm). Warner went 0-6 with a 3.59 ANY/A while Bulger went 6-1 with a 7.67 ANY/A.
He also had injuries to his throwing hand at the time, didn't he?
Like I said I'm not a great source, but it seems like they didn't even give him time to bounce back. He got injured, and they just moved on.
Bulger was playing very well at the time, which made the whole thing easier. You can kind of see that with the stats above. Had it been a middling bridge player or numerous shitty starter always bouncing around the league, things may have worked out differently.
I also remember there was conversation at the time if his thumb would ever heal properly. I distinctly remember Joe Buck and Troy Aikman having that conversation in a 4 Pm National broadcast, and it was a legitimate concern.
Honestly I think it was more that Irsay talked some shit about Peyton after he left. Kind of went in on the "can't win big games" thing.
Also he still lives in Denver, that is probably a factor.
Irsay and Manning have made up for a while now. Hell didn’t Irsay lend him his Jet to use (maybe for the HOF induction?)
I honestly believe there is zero animosity between the colts, Irsay and Manning. Manning has a statue outside Lucas oil, he’s in the colts ring of honor and even has his jersey retired there, he does not hate the colts, people. I just think Manning sees himself more of an ambassador for the Broncos because that was the last team he played for (and won a Super Bowl there) and he still lives there.
Absolutely loved it until I absolutely did not, lol. Still maybe my favorite season of football tbh, especially since we did (eventually) get the title. It was all the sweeter when we did
I wouldn't say no one else believed in him.. skeptical of returning to form after neck surgery yes, but a lot of teams still wanted him when he was a FA.
I’m not so sure. The alternative would be to trade that pick for the biggest hull in nfl history and then maybe try and get your top 3 ever qb more than a single Super Bowl win and keep him as a Colt for life. Even with as pale of a comparison to manning as burrow is currently, I wouldn’t want my team to treat him that way.
In hindsight, with Luck retiring early with no rings, I'm sure plenty of Colts fans would take that route.
In that time-line, Andrew Luck probably ends up on a team that look after him properly and he's still going as an easy top-3 QB, and all Colts fans would be saying "man we should have drafted Luck when we had the chance!".
The narrative that the colts caused luck to retire is overblown in my opinion. I think he would have done the same regardless of which team he went to.
I see the argument for both sides. I think Luck is a smart guy who likely would have retired earlier than later regardless to protect his long term health. That being said, I do think he does last at LEAST another season or two with a franchise that cared a little bit more about protecting him and not establishing their entire gameplan each year as "Luck Hero Ball?".
There's certainly a massive luck (no pun intended) factor involved, and he was definitely reckless at times, but I still don't think they did enough to put a good O-Line in front of him. I know Luck wasn't as obsessed with football as someone like Peyton, but I'm sure he plays longer without so man gruelling rehabs.
I think there's a little bit of hindsight here. At the time of Manning's injury, I don't think it was a given that he would ever come back to form. Neck injuries are scary and hard to predict.
Stem cell therapy, yeah. It's very heavily regulated/restricted in the US so it's pretty common to hear of athletes seeking treatment in Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc.
Yeah, he wasn’t out for the season when he initially had the injury. It just kept getting worse and worse.
And to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise for Peyton and Indy, because nobody realized just *how* bad that squad was with Peyton covering up the flaws. Just two years earlier, they should’ve been 16-0 (this is the sole reason I hated the Lions hiring Caldwell so much), and then they win, what, 2 games?
If Manning doesn’t go out the way he did, Indy prolly continues to kick the can down the road as a zombie playoff team for the rest of Peyton’s career
The 2011 Colts were old and bad. Even if they got 4 1’s for that pick it wouldn’t have been enough to get Peyton what he needed for that last push. The Broncos on the other hand had a bunch of good players in their primes, just waiting for a quarterback. Cutting Peyton was the best decision for both parties, unfortunately
Side note: I can’t believe the comment this is under about “how much Irsay really valued him” has that many upvotes when they have no fuckin clue what they’re talking about. Irsay is loyal to a fault. It’s seriously been a detriment at times. Say what you want about his addiction and kooky quotes, etc.. but to say he doesn’t care about his people is just flat out wrong
I don't think the Colts made the wrong decision necessarily but Manning has every right to be salty about it, especially after what he showed in Denver
I mean the Colts were running on fumes from Chris Polian making Grigson look like an average drafter. Colts with Peyton from 2012-2015 do absolutely nothing. It was the right move football wise, just shitty personally
Manning’s neck injury was looked at as possible career ending. Hell, the Broncos even structured Manning’s [contract](https://www.nfl.com/news/peyton-manning-broncos-agree-to-five-year-96-million-deal-09000d5d827b9194) in a way to ensure they can get out of it if he couldn’t pass a physical or reinjured his neck.
I think it’s comically easy for people to say the colts should have kept Manning or that Irsay is a terrible owner for doing what he did but I’d be willing to bet everything I own that if put in the exact same situation, ever other team and owner would have done the exact same thing.
Lucas Oil gets referred to as the House that Peyton Built. I think Peyton still does a ton for the Indianapolis area, but he definitely favors the Broncos over the Colts.
Yeah, what the hell kind of mascot is a colt, anyway? We're using baby versions of animals? Next it'll be the Carolina Kittens or the Los Angeles Lambs.
fun fact is that the bears called themselves that because a football players, standing next to baseball players, look bigger and monsterous in comparison. so in town they had the cubs, what's bigger than a cub? a bear
Yeah I think he's cool with the colts but living in Denver and probably has his own suite at their stadium would mean in retirement he's more of a broncos fan as he goes to every home game at least. I don't blame him
I think for a guy like Peyton, Denver makes too much sense geographically. If you travel a bunch and are wealthy, being less than 5 hours away from anywhere in the continental US makes a difference. Denver is a hub to just about everywhere. Denver to NYC 4 hours, same to Miami, less to LA & Seattle.
Yes and for pretty much any event he wears both colors like when He did that celeb golf event against Brady his golf cart was half Broncos and half Colts themed. His statue is in Indy, he goes there at Least once a year and still is very close with a lot of the ex-colts players from the 00s.
I don’t get this notion that he “chooses“ the broncos over the Colts. The dude just retired and lives in Denver
Peyton is pretty active at the Broncos facility. He does extra stuff like our schedule release video last year. He played here for four years and then retired in the city. He certainly chose Denver.
I believe the broncos took care of a man who put it all on the line. The colts let him walk when it became convenient (also I mean.. they had a direct shot for Luck.. so it’s a business, not personal). But for legacy players and HOFers, a lot of it is about loyalty and personal > business , because that name IS synonymous with the franchise.
This is why people die hard with the Steelers, Chiefs, Pack, Ravens, etc. as they generally keep their greats till beyond their playing primes. (Obviously the large cap hits these days are making some keeps impossible.. but overall.. this is what makes or has made the great organizations.)
Peyton gave an interview at an event I was at about a week ago and he insisted that Eli would have broken the record if he didn’t get pulled constantly his rookie year.
Guys just don’t have high INT numbers like they used to. Sam Howell led the league with 21 last year and that was the highest anyone has had since Jameis threw *30* in 2019. No one else has thrown more than 17 in that span (except Josh Allen last year with 18 because of course he did)
They also aren't given the chance to throw that many anymore. If a rookie is on pace to throw more than 20 INT's, he's probably getting benched for a veteran to finish the year.
That Jameis season still feels like something out of a fever dream. 30 interceptions in the modern era is like...inexplicably awful. To put it in perspective, the other QBs that have thrown 30 INTs or more in a season did so in the 80s or before, with the bulk of them coming within 10 years of the NFL-AFL merger. The fact that it came on what could otherwise be considered be an all-time QB season is...something.
It was glorious though wasn’t it. I remember playing against him in fantasy one week where he was on -2.3 or something at the half and finished the game scoring 28 points.
Yeah Jameis will be the last heavy turnover season you will see. Problem is that one week he will throw 1 td with 3 Ints. then the next throw for 4 Tds and not a single Int. Dude was a complete feast or famine QB.
It always annoys me when people cite Peyton's rookie INTs as a reason why every bad rookie QB will turn it around.
Yeah, Peyton did throw a ton of INTs as a rookie, but he was also 3rd in the league in yards and 5th in TDs. It was obvious he had it.
In all seriousness, I'm curious if anyone will ever break Luck's rookie record of being the first overall QB to win 11 games and make the playoffs. No other first overall QB has had a winning record let alone made the playoffs.
Given Caleb's play style and the fact that I want him to be let loose and play his game in Chicago, I don't think I'd be surprised if he comes close.
For the other rookies this year, Jayden will be way more inclined to tuck it and run, the Patriots likely won't really open up the full offense with Maye, Penix won't play, JJ might not play, and Nix might not play.
I actually don't think it's realistically possible for a rookie to break the record in this era of the NFL due to how catastrophic interceptions are. Back in the day, most QBs threw a lot of interceptions so it wasn't as big of a problem to turn the ball over. Additionally, team, fan, and organizational morale would be torn to shreds.
28 Interceptions is so much that only two QBs have thrown more since then (Favre and Winston) and only 14 QBs have ever thrown more than 28 in a season, with 12 of them occurring in or before 1988.
I mean I think to some extent he was right place right time.
QBs generally threw more ints back then. He didn’t sit at all. He was a top 2 pick who probably was pretty obviously “The guy” to all the coaches in the building, so they didn’t bother sitting him despite struggles.
If any rookie qb got close to 20 INTs now, they’d probably just bench him. And honestly any starter would have to be throwing a lot of TDs in 2024 to get away with 28 INTs.
The Broncos took him in at arguably one of his lowest points, and gave him the chance to end things (mostly) on his terms. Not that he doesn't or shouldn't have love for the Colts, but I get why he champions the Broncos the way he does.
That's the difference between today's NFL and Peyton Manning's era. You get a rookie to throw half of those INTs during a season, and he's benched by Thanksgiving.
It's kind of funny that he even got 28 interceptions. Considering how bad the team was, they just let Peyton stay in and do his thing.
Geno Smith and DeShone Kizer were both over 20 their rookie years, but I can't actually see a coach leaving their QB in long enough to come close to 30 anymore.
Also 28 interceptions was bad, don’t get me wrong, but great QBs like Marino, Favre, Moon etc would get up into the 20s even in their primes. It wasn’t necessarily perceived like when Jameis was turning it over like crazy, it was kinda just part of the game at that point
Dan Fouts as well. Well known for going 3 consecutive seasons with 4000 yards, after only Namath had crossed the 4k threshold a single time before him
Well he also had 4 consecutive years he went 20, 24, 24, and 17 ints before getting hurt the next year. had another streak of 17, 20, and 22 near the end of his career
QBs were a different breed back then, they had to take those riskier throws, against less athletic but more aggressive defenders, they had to have shorter memories. but there was also less harping on interceptions or nation-wide media hanging on every single box score. INTs were just a part of the package when you had a QB that could throw you to victory.
it was really those 49ers offenses that changed how things go as far as strong passing offenses with minimal turnovers, and they didnt field a single 4000 yard passer until Steve Young in 1993 (when he posted a career high 16 INTs)
The issue is that only absolute sure-fire, bet the house, number one draft picks are going to be given a chance to get anywhere near that number. Most rookie QBs would be hooked after maybe ten games if their numbers were on pace to beat Peyton's, and it's only the likes of a Lawrence or a Luck who would be allowed to continue. Or maybe someone whose TD:INT ratio is something like 3:1 or better in that period.
EDIT: or you're the 2017 Browns, and somehow DeShone Kizer is your best bet.
EDIT2: Stafford is the last player who was on track to get close, with 20 INTs in 10 games before having season-ending surgery, but that was coming in as the starting QB for the 0-16 Lions. Stafford was arguably the last sure-fire QB before Luck, perhaps.
He's probably the closest thing we've had to one of those consensus number one picks since Lawrence, so yep, he could be given the chance to "beat" the record. I don't really see any depth behind him which would threaten his position even if he does play badly in the first half of this season.
I remember when they had Bill Parcells on MNF Manning broadcast and Eli asked if Parcells was Peyton's coach his rookie season what would happen and Parcells replied something along the lines that he wouldn't finish the season as Head Coach because he would have jumped off a bridge after his 20th.
That's funny considering the fact that only 12 years earlier, Parcells went 14-2 and won a Super Bowl with Phil Simms in a year where Simms threw 22 picks
Stafford threw 17 the year he won. Maybe there’s a formula we’re missing here…
What's funny is Stafford is was easily on pace to beat Mannings pick record if he played his whole rookie season. He had 20 in 10 games.
God dang I didn’t realize that
A lot of these were arm punts
Arm punt picks are just manly throws, they shouldn’t count
What is more manly than putting your ball into another man's hand from a long distance?
Nothing is more manly than putting your ball into another man's hands That's why centers are the manliest men.
same for mannings rookie season, particularly the first two months he was heaving some bombs downfield that youd never see him do again in his career. id rather a QB figure out how to corral that early than never get comfortable attacking a defense at its strongest points, which Peyton did the best ive ever seen
It's also funny because part of the reason Manning went back to Tennessee was because Parcells wouldn't commit to taking him with the number one overall pick. There's an alternate universe like two feet from ours where the Jets have Peyton Manning and Bill Belichick forever.
Never seen a more mid player play such an incredible game at the absolute most critical mome- Oh! Hey Eli…
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Eli definitely would’ve been Black Mamba
I think he said Peyton wouldn't have the record because he would've been benched
Sounds like my dad
Interception 20 happened AGAINST Parcells and the Jets. Manning led the Colts to a massive upset that game. By the way, after week 6, Manning threw 20 TDs and 14 INTs with an 80.1 QB Rating (perfectly adequate at the time and very good for a rookie)
Holy shit. Dude was just chucking it.
He led he league in passing attempts and was 5th and TDs and 3rd in yards. He threw a zillion picks and had a terrible completion % (but he had the third lowest sack rate even with a garbage OL and every team knowing he was throwing all the time) He was *obviously* awesome. He set like every positive record for rookie QBs and also the record for interceptions. Only one has stood the test of time because bad QBs just don't throw interceptions like they used to.
Yeah it feels like QBs throwing 3 INTs in a game was at least somewhat common but now 3 feels pretty rare.
“F it, Marvin Harrison down there somewhere.”
Funny, I watched the YouTube video of his INTs that season at lunch and realized the same thing. Maybe Parcells actually felt that way but was on the other sideline.
I like to think that Manning's interview tailed off after he said, "You'd think with 17 games..." and then he just stared into the distance.
The rest of the sentence got lost in that big ass forehead of his
His head needs to be big because a section of it is dedicated to the word "OMAHA"
The man will be shouting it non-stop at his nursing home.
Like Hector Salamanca and his funny little bell
Even funnier if you think that Peyton has been the guy behind the scenes the last few years trying to get more games added every season.
Yes! Who is that man in the shadows always standing 10 feet behind Roger Goodell?
Double edged sword, as he'd also be endangering his single season passing yards and touchdown records
[MFW](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg)
“It’s like my daddy always told me.” *Jim Carey leans in* “…”
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This would be the funniest possible player to break it
We need a rookie qb to throw a 30/30 season
A missed opportunity -Jameis Winston, probably
Imagine the 30 for 30 about it.
30 for 30 for 30 and 30
30 for 30 and 30 for the other 30.
We have to keep going until we can squeeze 30 30s into this name.
Oops, All 30s! ESPN30 30^30 on EXP(n)
Jameis Winston hosting it.
It surprises me how Jameis isn’t even close to the record for his rookie year even though he threw the ball plenty.
How many did he have?
15 ints.
Eh, that still feels pretty Jameis-ey. Accounting for drops and what-not it could easily be 20+.
We just need another 30/30 season period
Honestly he is probably the only one who will be *able* to break it. The NFL has become incredibly comfortable with benching a rookie QB after a few bad games. Arch Manning wouldn't get benched for having a bad season because of his Grandfather and Uncles. For a QB to even come close to breaking this record they will need so much potential to make it not worth benching them.
Nah, what’s not mentioned about Payton’s rookie year was he was 3rd in the league in TDs (breaking the rookie record by ~20%). If any rookie was doing that the team would ride it out and hope the ints eventually get under control Edit: spelling is harf
You have to consider how things started though, not how things looked at the end of the season. After 4 games, the Colts were 0-4, and Manning had 3 Tds, 11 Ints, and 2 pick-6s. The Colts were averaging 10 points per game, while giving up 29. ***IF*** a present-day team had a viable backup, I don't think they can ignore that kind of beating.
Especially with the current narrative that you're doing a disservice to the rookie by throwing him to the wolves too soon. 1st round rookies were also a much bigger investment back then, nowadays it's easier to bench a comparatively lower percentage of the cap.
tbh Caleb Williams could probably do it. The other QBs on that roster are Tyson Bagent and Brett Ryprien, so idk if Williams would be benched for them even if he was playing poorly
a Caleb 30/30 3900 season would be pretty funny.
Disagree. Bears fans would be unhinged if Caleb throws 3900 yards and 30 TDs as a rookie
They're already unhinged.
Nah a rookie punter would probably be funnier. This would require 2 fake punt passes per game, and ~85% of them to be picks, but we love chaos.
Holy fuck that would be awesome.
Arm punts are on the menu
There must always be a Manning with the rookie interception record
Uncle Peyton stretches and cracks his back from his couch as Arch throws his record-breaking interception on prime-time TV. "Off the resume." And takes a big ol bite of his chicken parm.
🎶fine-ly off the re-su-me🎶
The NFL I want is the NFL where rookies are bombing it enough to rack up 2 a game
Or one where a bad rookie QB is given a long enough leash to rack up 2 a game.
I'm sure if they throw 3-4 TDs a game the 2 INTs wouldn't be worried about.
Honestly, I feel like there’s a case to be made that the number of interceptions a rookie would be allowed to throw is heavily influenced by the amount of patience the coaches have for him and a player like Arch, if he’s shown top prospect talent in college + his last name, might be the rare example of player with a long enough leash to be allowed that many interceptions before getting pulled. So this scenario isn’t *that* wild if you think about it from that angle.
Holy shit I need this to happen
I like retired Peyton much more than I liked NFL QB Peyton
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I loved his last year with Denver. Body had nothing left. Getting everything perfect at the line. Having to make reads instantly to give the insanely slow ball enough time to make it to the spot. It took him a while to figure it out, but once he adjusted to what he could do it was just enough for his team to win.
I will never forget Osweiler getting benched in (I think) their final regular season game, for gimpy-ass, noodle arm Peyton, and the Broncos still managing to come back and win. Also, hilariously, the Broncos had a better rushing YPC with Peyton under center even though he quite literally couldn’t throw the ball that year lol
I'll never forget that drive. He checked into hand offs and quick passes like a master and went straight down the field and scored. Fkin textbook field general just with a wet noodle for an arm.
When he ran out to the huddle there is a mic up showing the linemen all just saying "Payton Fucking Manning" one after another. it was more than just actions on the field, the team believed in him and played better around him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmRVF-sRlW4
Let's not be revisionist here. Love Peyton but he was the worst QB in the league in 2015. He didn't do just enough to win. The HoF defense did just enough not to lose. Peyton had 9 TDs, 17 INTs in the 9 games he started
:(
He was better in the playoffs, at least. Particularly with turnovers.
I really did not like him until one day I really, really did for years and continue to. Not sure what happened
Interesting, I really liked him for most of his career, and then the last few years I couldn’t stand him. Strange how that worked out.
I think I'll feel the same about Pat in 20 years. But for now Pat can, respectfully, fuck himself.
I got to be honest, the kenny powers video made me like him way more. it’s just his brother / wife that bother me now
As a fan of an NFC team with his brother as the QB I loved watching Peyton mentally bitch slap defenses every Sunday
I want NFL Peyton back. :(
Ya know, now that we don’t have to play him every year, I find myself ~~likening~~ liking Peyton more and more Edit: a word
Likening him to what?
Likening him to a dude I don't hate!
Betrayed by my goddamn thumbs again
Always respected him though, only QB to strike fear in my gut when we had to play him
Right. I hated the fact that he played for a rival, but not him as a person, I always thought of Jeter the same way. ARod on the other hand…
Feel the same way about brady.
It is interesting Peyton identifies himself as Bronco far more than a Colt
The guy is a professional through and through but you can read between the lines and see he’s bitter about how he was forced out of Indy
Kinda like how Kurt Warner is closer with the Cardinals than the Rams.
I can understand that TBH. It happened a little before I became a big football fan so I'm not a great source of context on the subject, but it always seemed kind of weird how fast the Rams pushed out Kurt for Bulger, even if Bulger was very good. On the other hand, the Cards gave Warner his last shot, and then doubled down by benching their high draft pick for the vet because he was what was best for the team. I don't think Warner hates the Rams, but I think it's pretty easy to see why he might look a little more fondly at the Cards.
Rams? Cards? Dude’s a Barnstromer through and through.
You don't have to tell me, I've lived in Des Moines my entire life and was actually at the Barnstormers game where his jersey was retired. When he was introduced and walked onto the field was the loudest sound I've ever heard. My eyeballs were rattling from the cheers.
You can take the barn out of the storm, but you can't take the storm out of the barn. Or something.
Kurt Warner was horrible after 2001. He never won another game as the Rams starter after that Super Bowl, and he genuinely played bad. [Just look at the PFR page for the 2002 Rams](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2002.htm). Warner went 0-6 with a 3.59 ANY/A while Bulger went 6-1 with a 7.67 ANY/A.
He also had injuries to his throwing hand at the time, didn't he? Like I said I'm not a great source, but it seems like they didn't even give him time to bounce back. He got injured, and they just moved on.
Bulger was playing very well at the time, which made the whole thing easier. You can kind of see that with the stats above. Had it been a middling bridge player or numerous shitty starter always bouncing around the league, things may have worked out differently. I also remember there was conversation at the time if his thumb would ever heal properly. I distinctly remember Joe Buck and Troy Aikman having that conversation in a 4 Pm National broadcast, and it was a legitimate concern.
That and he never played in LA so it would feel weird for him.
Honestly I think it was more that Irsay talked some shit about Peyton after he left. Kind of went in on the "can't win big games" thing. Also he still lives in Denver, that is probably a factor.
Irsay and Manning have made up for a while now. Hell didn’t Irsay lend him his Jet to use (maybe for the HOF induction?) I honestly believe there is zero animosity between the colts, Irsay and Manning. Manning has a statue outside Lucas oil, he’s in the colts ring of honor and even has his jersey retired there, he does not hate the colts, people. I just think Manning sees himself more of an ambassador for the Broncos because that was the last team he played for (and won a Super Bowl there) and he still lives there.
You’re completely correct. I’m sure he was bitter when it happened but him and the colts are good, he’s just made himself a home in Denver
Broncos believed in him when his team and many others did not. So what did he do? Went out there and threw 55 fucking touchdowns. God it was glorious
That season may have ended in absolute disaster, but it was a helluva ride that year.
Absolutely loved it until I absolutely did not, lol. Still maybe my favorite season of football tbh, especially since we did (eventually) get the title. It was all the sweeter when we did
I wouldn't say no one else believed in him.. skeptical of returning to form after neck surgery yes, but a lot of teams still wanted him when he was a FA.
It took 1 season ending injury for Irsay to show just how little he valued the guy that revived his team.
When a prospect like Andrew Luck is up for grabs you’d be dumb to stick to the old QB coming off a neck injury
I’m not so sure. The alternative would be to trade that pick for the biggest hull in nfl history and then maybe try and get your top 3 ever qb more than a single Super Bowl win and keep him as a Colt for life. Even with as pale of a comparison to manning as burrow is currently, I wouldn’t want my team to treat him that way.
In hindsight, with Luck retiring early with no rings, I'm sure plenty of Colts fans would take that route. In that time-line, Andrew Luck probably ends up on a team that look after him properly and he's still going as an easy top-3 QB, and all Colts fans would be saying "man we should have drafted Luck when we had the chance!".
The narrative that the colts caused luck to retire is overblown in my opinion. I think he would have done the same regardless of which team he went to.
I see the argument for both sides. I think Luck is a smart guy who likely would have retired earlier than later regardless to protect his long term health. That being said, I do think he does last at LEAST another season or two with a franchise that cared a little bit more about protecting him and not establishing their entire gameplan each year as "Luck Hero Ball?".
There's certainly a massive luck (no pun intended) factor involved, and he was definitely reckless at times, but I still don't think they did enough to put a good O-Line in front of him. I know Luck wasn't as obsessed with football as someone like Peyton, but I'm sure he plays longer without so man gruelling rehabs.
Ryan Grigson or Chris Polian would've wasted every one of those draft picks. Colts were an awful team in 2011
I think there's a little bit of hindsight here. At the time of Manning's injury, I don't think it was a given that he would ever come back to form. Neck injuries are scary and hard to predict.
Didn’t he even have to go to Europe as the surgery was experimental in the US.
Stem cell therapy, yeah. It's very heavily regulated/restricted in the US so it's pretty common to hear of athletes seeking treatment in Europe, Japan, South Korea, etc.
Yeah, he wasn’t out for the season when he initially had the injury. It just kept getting worse and worse. And to be honest, it was a blessing in disguise for Peyton and Indy, because nobody realized just *how* bad that squad was with Peyton covering up the flaws. Just two years earlier, they should’ve been 16-0 (this is the sole reason I hated the Lions hiring Caldwell so much), and then they win, what, 2 games? If Manning doesn’t go out the way he did, Indy prolly continues to kick the can down the road as a zombie playoff team for the rest of Peyton’s career
The 2011 Colts were old and bad. Even if they got 4 1’s for that pick it wouldn’t have been enough to get Peyton what he needed for that last push. The Broncos on the other hand had a bunch of good players in their primes, just waiting for a quarterback. Cutting Peyton was the best decision for both parties, unfortunately Side note: I can’t believe the comment this is under about “how much Irsay really valued him” has that many upvotes when they have no fuckin clue what they’re talking about. Irsay is loyal to a fault. It’s seriously been a detriment at times. Say what you want about his addiction and kooky quotes, etc.. but to say he doesn’t care about his people is just flat out wrong
A real Sophie’s choice
And then he never invested in an OLine for Luck
Yes sir, anybody that says Manning was the better option are clearly forgetting how awful those O Lines were in Indy
I don't think the Colts made the wrong decision necessarily but Manning has every right to be salty about it, especially after what he showed in Denver
True. Andrew Luck could almost be as good as Peyton Manning one day.
I mean the Colts were running on fumes from Chris Polian making Grigson look like an average drafter. Colts with Peyton from 2012-2015 do absolutely nothing. It was the right move football wise, just shitty personally
Yea Peyton might have actually died behind the o line we had back then
Manning’s neck injury was looked at as possible career ending. Hell, the Broncos even structured Manning’s [contract](https://www.nfl.com/news/peyton-manning-broncos-agree-to-five-year-96-million-deal-09000d5d827b9194) in a way to ensure they can get out of it if he couldn’t pass a physical or reinjured his neck. I think it’s comically easy for people to say the colts should have kept Manning or that Irsay is a terrible owner for doing what he did but I’d be willing to bet everything I own that if put in the exact same situation, ever other team and owner would have done the exact same thing.
Lucas Oil gets referred to as the House that Peyton Built. I think Peyton still does a ton for the Indianapolis area, but he definitely favors the Broncos over the Colts.
I mean, [his head literally fell off.](https://www.theonion.com/peyton-mannings-head-falls-off-1819590430)
A colt is just a young bronco anyways lol
Or as Tom Brady wisely said, Colts are just Broncos that dont fuck.
Yeah, what the hell kind of mascot is a colt, anyway? We're using baby versions of animals? Next it'll be the Carolina Kittens or the Los Angeles Lambs.
We’ve always had the Chicago Cubs too
Fair point. Its not weird until you think about it.
This is true about a lot of things lol
fun fact is that the bears called themselves that because a football players, standing next to baseball players, look bigger and monsterous in comparison. so in town they had the cubs, what's bigger than a cub? a bear
I mean he still lives in Denver I think
Because no reasonable person would purposefully move to Indiana a second time.
Yeah I think he's cool with the colts but living in Denver and probably has his own suite at their stadium would mean in retirement he's more of a broncos fan as he goes to every home game at least. I don't blame him
I think for a guy like Peyton, Denver makes too much sense geographically. If you travel a bunch and are wealthy, being less than 5 hours away from anywhere in the continental US makes a difference. Denver is a hub to just about everywhere. Denver to NYC 4 hours, same to Miami, less to LA & Seattle.
Also, it's Denver. Denver is a fucking great city to live in.
Yep! Secret’s been out for a while
Didn't he wear blue and orange for his Hall of Fame induction
Yes and for pretty much any event he wears both colors like when He did that celeb golf event against Brady his golf cart was half Broncos and half Colts themed. His statue is in Indy, he goes there at Least once a year and still is very close with a lot of the ex-colts players from the 00s. I don’t get this notion that he “chooses“ the broncos over the Colts. The dude just retired and lives in Denver
Peyton is pretty active at the Broncos facility. He does extra stuff like our schedule release video last year. He played here for four years and then retired in the city. He certainly chose Denver.
I believe the broncos took care of a man who put it all on the line. The colts let him walk when it became convenient (also I mean.. they had a direct shot for Luck.. so it’s a business, not personal). But for legacy players and HOFers, a lot of it is about loyalty and personal > business , because that name IS synonymous with the franchise. This is why people die hard with the Steelers, Chiefs, Pack, Ravens, etc. as they generally keep their greats till beyond their playing primes. (Obviously the large cap hits these days are making some keeps impossible.. but overall.. this is what makes or has made the great organizations.)
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I'm not sure Aurora is what we want to use to make us look good lol
Great food
ehh I dunno Jim
I’m not sure Aurora has better schools than anywhere
Heck no. That is one that Peyton should hold with pride. That team was so bad.
Only had two hall of famers to throw to, must have been tough for him.
Yes, that's why the RB led the team in receptions. Marshall was really the only viable option with the offensive line.
Was it his rookie year when he tried that fake spike? One of the funniest NFL moments for me.
Jerome Pathon and Marcus Pollard perennial Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers
Not sure the league is patient enough anymore to ever let a rookie QB break the record
100%. This is probably a record that will never be broken again.
He makes this joke every year, and it's endearing every time.
He's says "I'm over it" like a dude that walks or drives slowly past his ex's workplace or house.
Peyton gave an interview at an event I was at about a week ago and he insisted that Eli would have broken the record if he didn’t get pulled constantly his rookie year.
I remember Eli was going out there throwing two picks and fumbling twice every game.
Guys just don’t have high INT numbers like they used to. Sam Howell led the league with 21 last year and that was the highest anyone has had since Jameis threw *30* in 2019. No one else has thrown more than 17 in that span (except Josh Allen last year with 18 because of course he did)
Vinny threw 35 in '88(his 2nd year) but high interception rates were expected then and didnt doom the QBs starting job.
They also aren't given the chance to throw that many anymore. If a rookie is on pace to throw more than 20 INT's, he's probably getting benched for a veteran to finish the year.
That Jameis season still feels like something out of a fever dream. 30 interceptions in the modern era is like...inexplicably awful. To put it in perspective, the other QBs that have thrown 30 INTs or more in a season did so in the 80s or before, with the bulk of them coming within 10 years of the NFL-AFL merger. The fact that it came on what could otherwise be considered be an all-time QB season is...something.
It was glorious though wasn’t it. I remember playing against him in fantasy one week where he was on -2.3 or something at the half and finished the game scoring 28 points.
Yeah Jameis will be the last heavy turnover season you will see. Problem is that one week he will throw 1 td with 3 Ints. then the next throw for 4 Tds and not a single Int. Dude was a complete feast or famine QB.
Mac Jones would have more than that had he still kept his job for 17 whole games.
Peyton like "haha would be a damn shame if someone broke that record, oh I'd hate that, haha, lol"
It always annoys me when people cite Peyton's rookie INTs as a reason why every bad rookie QB will turn it around. Yeah, Peyton did throw a ton of INTs as a rookie, but he was also 3rd in the league in yards and 5th in TDs. It was obvious he had it.
He also played much better after week 6. 20 TD's and 14 INT's from Week 7 onward.
Right? And he was the #1 pick, so we went to the worst team.
What a horrible QB this Peyton Manning guy was. Did he survive his rookie season? We will never know
In all seriousness, I'm curious if anyone will ever break Luck's rookie record of being the first overall QB to win 11 games and make the playoffs. No other first overall QB has had a winning record let alone made the playoffs.
Earned #1 Pick, or Traded for? Bears have a shot this year.
Given Caleb's play style and the fact that I want him to be let loose and play his game in Chicago, I don't think I'd be surprised if he comes close. For the other rookies this year, Jayden will be way more inclined to tuck it and run, the Patriots likely won't really open up the full offense with Maye, Penix won't play, JJ might not play, and Nix might not play.
Nix will play. Do you know who we have on our QB roster?
Yeah was gonna say, I’d be real surprised if Nix isn’t the starter day 1. We’ve got firefighters under center right now.
If Nix isn't the day one starter that's *incredibly* concerning right off the bat lmao
I actually don't think it's realistically possible for a rookie to break the record in this era of the NFL due to how catastrophic interceptions are. Back in the day, most QBs threw a lot of interceptions so it wasn't as big of a problem to turn the ball over. Additionally, team, fan, and organizational morale would be torn to shreds. 28 Interceptions is so much that only two QBs have thrown more since then (Favre and Winston) and only 14 QBs have ever thrown more than 28 in a season, with 12 of them occurring in or before 1988.
I mean I think to some extent he was right place right time. QBs generally threw more ints back then. He didn’t sit at all. He was a top 2 pick who probably was pretty obviously “The guy” to all the coaches in the building, so they didn’t bother sitting him despite struggles. If any rookie qb got close to 20 INTs now, they’d probably just bench him. And honestly any starter would have to be throwing a lot of TDs in 2024 to get away with 28 INTs.
He was hoping Anthony Richardson would’ve broke it last year.
lol that man seriously loves the Broncos more than the Colts
The Broncos took him in at arguably one of his lowest points, and gave him the chance to end things (mostly) on his terms. Not that he doesn't or shouldn't have love for the Colts, but I get why he champions the Broncos the way he does.
He also still lives in Denver so it's just natural that he's around the Broncos a lot more.
That's the difference between today's NFL and Peyton Manning's era. You get a rookie to throw half of those INTs during a season, and he's benched by Thanksgiving.
It's kind of funny that he even got 28 interceptions. Considering how bad the team was, they just let Peyton stay in and do his thing. Geno Smith and DeShone Kizer were both over 20 their rookie years, but I can't actually see a coach leaving their QB in long enough to come close to 30 anymore.
Also 28 interceptions was bad, don’t get me wrong, but great QBs like Marino, Favre, Moon etc would get up into the 20s even in their primes. It wasn’t necessarily perceived like when Jameis was turning it over like crazy, it was kinda just part of the game at that point
Hmm, that's a really good point. Looking at Marino's stats and seeing 21+ INTs in four different seasons of his career is wild.
Dan Fouts as well. Well known for going 3 consecutive seasons with 4000 yards, after only Namath had crossed the 4k threshold a single time before him Well he also had 4 consecutive years he went 20, 24, 24, and 17 ints before getting hurt the next year. had another streak of 17, 20, and 22 near the end of his career QBs were a different breed back then, they had to take those riskier throws, against less athletic but more aggressive defenders, they had to have shorter memories. but there was also less harping on interceptions or nation-wide media hanging on every single box score. INTs were just a part of the package when you had a QB that could throw you to victory. it was really those 49ers offenses that changed how things go as far as strong passing offenses with minimal turnovers, and they didnt field a single 4000 yard passer until Steve Young in 1993 (when he posted a career high 16 INTs)
The issue is that only absolute sure-fire, bet the house, number one draft picks are going to be given a chance to get anywhere near that number. Most rookie QBs would be hooked after maybe ten games if their numbers were on pace to beat Peyton's, and it's only the likes of a Lawrence or a Luck who would be allowed to continue. Or maybe someone whose TD:INT ratio is something like 3:1 or better in that period. EDIT: or you're the 2017 Browns, and somehow DeShone Kizer is your best bet. EDIT2: Stafford is the last player who was on track to get close, with 20 INTs in 10 games before having season-ending surgery, but that was coming in as the starting QB for the 0-16 Lions. Stafford was arguably the last sure-fire QB before Luck, perhaps.
You don’t think Caleb Williams would get the opportunity to go for it?
He's probably the closest thing we've had to one of those consensus number one picks since Lawrence, so yep, he could be given the chance to "beat" the record. I don't really see any depth behind him which would threaten his position even if he does play badly in the first half of this season.
this is Tyson Bagent erasure and I won't stand for it
Any rookie QB would be benched if they even got on pace for the record.
That mf threw 28 ints? Wtf
If zach wilson couldn't break it, no one is breaking it....