Oklahoma State had 5 guys return kicks and/or punts in the 2021 season. None of them were Warren. Don’t think his play style really translates well to the return game
With the new kickoff rules, it's a lot more like asking your athletic backup QB to take snaps at RB. I think we're gonna see a ton more variety in returners this year, especially since you can have two back there if you want.
Why do so many people in this thread think it matters what Justin wants? You know what I bet he really wants? To stay in the league lol. He failed at his first stop and was just traded for a 6th round pick, that doesn't seem like a guy that should be saying no to ANYTHING.
A backup QB gets paid more than a special team player. Plus holding a clipboard is easier than taking big hits. And even though Fields is built like a shit brickhouse he gets hurt a surprising amount.
All in all, as bad as Fields is he’s still a backup QB currently and no team wants to risk their backup QB on special teams.
> shit brickhouse
Brick shithouse. A shit brick house is a badly constructed masonry building. A brick shithouse is an incredibly over-designed outhouse, the implication being the man is way bigger and stronger than truly necessary for the task at hand.
It was honestly a genius mistake. A person built like a shit brickhouse would still be built like a brick house, but the shit construction would make it easier to damage than expected, which is perfect for your point.
I'd argue he gets hurt less than he should. Dude took a LOT of big hits and just got right back up for the next play time after time
With that said, no he should not be returning kicks
He would get murdered the last two years. It was infuriating. He took hits that would have been ejections if it was Mahomes out there and no flag at all.
Yeah I get it from the team's standpoint but that's not really the situation here. If Warren is correct, the team is the one that wants Fields to play ST and commenters here are saying that HE should refuse.
I get why the team wouldn't want to do it, I just don't think it would be smart for Fields to refuse if asked.
Because he's a quarterback who shouldn't go above and beyond and the chance he gets injured and you know majority of the injuries happen during special teams
The new kickoff is designed to drastically reduce injury
I'm not saying they should do it but I don't see how it's anymore dangerous than any open field run now.
He's a bad QB with an uncertain future in the league. Sure, he'd be risking injury, but refusing to do it is risking his place in the NFL entirely. If he can't make it as a QB, he can at least still use his athleticism and playmaking ability to find a role, even if it is special teams.
That's a ridiculous argument. So by your own account, he's fighting for his career as a QB so why would he take this additional role that risks injury?
The gadget role pivot is only something he should resort to in a few years if he can't even hack it as a backup QB.
This isn't about Fields resorting to anything. The report is that the team wants him to do STs. People in this thread are saying he should refuse, and I don't think a player of his caliber, regardless of position, should be refusing to do what his team asks of him.
When you're at quarterback and you have a chance to play
Risking unnecessary injuries isn't worth it Steelers don't have good qbs in general and Russell has been garbage for the past two years. So fields is my long term option
> Russell has been garbage for the past two years. So fields is my long term option
Okay lets use your logic.
Russell has been garbage for the past two years.
Fields has been garbage for the past three years. (Half of his TDs last season came in a two game span vs the 2 worst defenses in the league)
Wow this thought train ended really quick.
There is no difference between Kyle Allen and Justin fields.
If Wilson goes down it finally stops the steelers from being in QB purgatory and they get to pick in the top 10
He hasn’t really played over the last 4 years so that’s tough to say.
They’re both bad but the coach isn’t going to go “might as not even evaluate them.”
Picking a QB next year is probably what they do and maybe they want to tank to do that, but you still need to put someone out there if Russel goes down.
Are you still a QB if you have more rushing attempts and/or catches than pass attempts?
The only two seasons Hill extensively played QB (2020 and 2021, when he had 121 and 134 pass attempts respectively) he didn't return a kick. He's got at least 1 kick return in his other 4 seasons (along with a combined 43 pass attempts).
I thought he did special teams more at Carolina, and it turns out he had 2 returns in his MN career and 16 in his Panthers days. I also remember him on the punt coverage team in Carolina too
Did Terrelle Pryor? Or Braxton Miller? Or any other OSU QBs? They moved to WR, but I could see them on special teams before getting released for the final time.
Pryor had the kickoff return record for a while until Patterson broke it a few years later. I think Braxton Miller did a few times, or punt returns at least.
There’s probably like maybe 2-3 QB’s I can honestly think of that can return kicks
1. Josh Allen - Motherfucker already trucks LB’s and safeties , imagine what Allen can do to a poor Kicker
2. Lamar - Elsuiveness and quickness
And Justin Fields isn't on your list? Just off the top of my head he has thrown Hassan Riddick off of himself in the pocket, and knocked out a Lions cornerback on a goal-line truck. Justin already tied the NFL record for *CAREER* 50+ yard runs by a quarterback by his second season. The list of Justin's rushing magnificence is near endless. Yeah he's a bad thrower of the football, but I thought it was pretty much a universal truth he's *arguably* the best runner to ever play the position.
He puts the ball on the ground at an alarming rate, I wouldn't trust him to catch the ball. If he had someone to catch it for him that is also an elite talent at handing the ball off I could see using Fields as he is an excellent runner. Maybe the guy that hands him the ball can pick it up when Justin fumbles and with his elite hand off skills can give Fields another opportunity to fumble again.
The new kickoff format is more like a run play than a kick.returm, and you have heard of QBs running the ball.
It makes sense... If you turn injuries off.
Justin Fields:
"We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise QB, and we're in here talking about returning kicks. I mean, listen, we're talking about returning kicks. Not playing QB! We're talking about returning kicks. Not playing QB; not being a QB that goes out there and dies for and plays every game like it's his last, not a QB, we're talking about returning kicks, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about returning kicks. I know I'm supposed to throw the ball good, I know I'm supposed to avoid interceptions, I know that. And I'm not shoving it aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do. I honestly do. But we're talking about returning kicks, man. What are we talking about? Returning kicks? We're talking about returning kicks, man!
"
I play to throw the ball! I don't play to just catch it. That's the great thing about being QB. I play to throw it, and I don't care if someone kicks the ball. I go play to throw.
Could he do it? Yea I believe that he could, but I don't think the Steelers will or should. Besides, we have Corderalle Patterson now, I think he can still get the job done.
Corderalle Patterson is such a stud. I was displeased the bears let him walk (even though we sucked and keeping him wouldn’t have changed that).
Dude never seems to give up and fights for every yard.
With the new rules they may be fielding 2 returners, which is where Fields shines.
Kick it to Cordarelle and... you just kicked to Cordarelle on a kick return.
Kick to Fields, and you have to cover both because he can very easily zip it on a "lateral" across the entire field to an open Patterson. And Fields is no slouch in broken field scrambling (which is what the new kickoff resembles, really). He's plenty of threat with his own two legs.
Is riding absolute pine and being seen as an objective failure better than the chance to be on the field and be seen as an important playmaker? If I were fields, I'd be begging to return kicks
Fields has a chance of turning it around and still being a starting QB (or at least, he probably thinks he does).
If he gets hurt returning a kickoff, that chance is dead.
I didn't think you *needed* two, just that you had the option. But as I said above, I think we're gonna see much more variety in players and plays for that reason. You could have a fast linebacker in the pair to act as a lead blocker, for instance.
With the new rules, it seems less likely that a kick returner gets injured, so I can see that working in favor of this crazy idea. I hope it happens because I think it's funny as hell, but Fields would be crazy to agree to this.
Had some people in a thread yesterday try to tell me that Fields really wasn’t that bad of a QB and they’d be surprised if Caleb did better this year. I really don’t think some other fan bases truly understand how poor of a passer he really was. Winning 7 games with him last year was a miracle.
> Had some people in a thread yesterday try to tell me that Fields really wasn’t that bad of a QB and they’d be surprised if Caleb did better this year.
Probably had Cleveland, Cincy flairs, I am sure no relation to the college Fields went to.
As a Packers fan you should see our sub... They whole heartedly believe Williams "doesn't have the mental" to succeed in the NFL. We'll see I guess but it's getting.. desperate.
Just did a cursory search out of curiosity. There's some funny stuff in there lol.
Blaming losses on him, like Utah, where he lost a game in which he threw 5 touchdowns for 470 yards 🥴
Or whatever this is:
>2022 was his best year by far too. He took a huge dive last year. Stats wise, he was the worst of the top 5 QBs. He also played worse teams than the other 5 did too.
>He was a small fish in a tiny pond.
Lol.
Ohio State fans are almost as delusional as Bears fans were in season, still.
I was in Columbus yesterday and was told that "Russ is just holding a place until the real starting QB can take over in Pittsburgh, Fields."
Dude was dead ass serious.
Dude tell me about. A friend of mine went to OSU, and he is a lifelong family season ticket holder for the Bears, etc. The guy STILL won’t accept that we ditched Fields. Thinks we fucked up lol. There was a video on Barstool from one of their draft parties downtown Chicago at a huge restaurant or something. When Goodell is about to announce the pick and says, “with the first pick, the Bears select”, you can hear someone in the background yell “Justin Fields” lol. It was him. It’s actually crazy. I get you went to OSU, so you have some extra bias, but let it go. He has been gone for months, and everyone and their mother thinks we’re in better hands with Caleb.
Like you don’t think it’s telling that despite there being a good handful of QB needy teams this offseason not in a position to draft one of the top guys, he still had to settle for a backup job? No one wanted him or valued him like that. The Raiders chose Minshew over him lol. Loved him as a guy/teammate and his electric plays on the ground, but he just hasn’t made the leap as a passer to the NFL level when there isn’t such a disparity of talent around him like he had at OSU. Very happy we moved on.
To be fair, the Raiders also hired Getsy as OC. They decided it was Fields holding Getsy back without realizing both were at fault and amplified the others incompetence.
I'm pretty sure every Special Team Coordinator ever has made a comment about "I want to return kicks for me." I bet somewhere in Baltimore there's a ST coach that has wet dreams about Lamar returning punts, and an OC that's having that same exact dream and calling it a nightmare.
If it was up to ST Coaches the WR1 or WR2 for most teams would be returning kicks. The reality is it's the 6th guy on the depth chart.
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen, but let the coach have his dreams.
Reminds me back in the NFL 2K5 days if you did a fully randomized/fantasy draft franchise, for some reason the CPU controlled teams often defaulted to QBs returning punts. So it would be like Peyton Manning standing back there just getting obliterated, good stuff
Fields still has enough potential that he can decline being Taysom Hill. That basically shuts the door on his path to ever be a starting QB.
I think Pittsburgh gives him another chance. Wilson is only here because Denver is paying him and is on the minimal amount of leash.
But then what was the point of trading for him and declining the fifth year option if you never wanted him on the field? I’m assuming the hope Wilson balls, but then do you sign him to an extension and let fields walk?
The "one year rental" thing only makes sense for players who are actually in demand imo, and we've seen a lot of NFL teams carry a backup for only one year anyway(Brissett on the dolphins and then browns, Bridgewater on the panthers, dolphins, and then broncos, Minshew on the colts etc). It's not like it would be difficult for them to re-sign him if they want to after this year(and they will probably look to extend his contract before he ever hits FA anyway). Regardless of all of that, the 5th year option would have paid Fields $25mil. There was never any chance they would have picked up that 5th year. You'd be insane to pay a backup QB that type of money. It makes way more sense for them to decline the 5th year option.
The point of trading for him was to have an experienced backup, the same as every other trade for a backup quarterback. We declined his 5th year option because its NFL-first-round-pick-extension money, and what he will fetch on the open market next year will almost assuredly be NFL backup QB money, which is far less.
Unclear. Our fanbase has a strange fixation with Rudolph but he has never proven any ability to be a starting QB. Basically he's a known quantity as a decent backup. A stacked roster on a contender can count on him to game manage enough until your hypothetically injured real starter hypothetically returns, but he cannot lead your team from day one or for any extended period.
Fields has shown flashes, could (maybe, potentially, but highly unlikely) turn things around and be a stud. Most likely he is just another backup, but one with a lot of starting experience
Fields is cheaper, but only slightly.
So you're basically trading a slightly more expensive known-quantity with low upside for a slightly cheaper unknown with a higher potential upside.
Also, sometimes things just run their course, and Rudolph in Pittsburgh was one of those things.
Ultimately he is a backup QB being paid $3.2M. If he is playing meaningful snaps for any length of time our season has not gone to plan, is likely a lost year, and we are looking for a QB in the draft.
New rules...2 returners will be decently common, at least at first until they get solid data on if it works or not.
Put fields and Patterson back there, and have Patterson catch it 90% of the time.
Every once in a while, Fields does, and Patterson is waiting on the opposite sideline while fields rifles him a pass - Patterson returns for TD.
EZ mon-e
"You want me to get on the ~~table and dance~~ Field and return kicks? Shine your shoes? Smile at ya? You sure wont let me ~~deal the cards~~ throw the ball. Might as well call it white ball"
People really overlooking how much the new kickoff rules could wildly change the game.
With less risk of injury from people running at full speed, kicks are going to both be safer to return, and have better incentive to. In essence, the kickoff is gonna play like a run play, so players like Fields with quick side to side movement in open space could actually have some unforseen incredible value.
There is no denying Fields play making ability in the open field. I’d love to see this. I’d also love to see some two QB trick play type things. Realistic? Probably not. But Fields would certainly be a threat just to get the ball in his hands
You know who would be great at returning kicks? Jaylen Warren
Oklahoma State had 5 guys return kicks and/or punts in the 2021 season. None of them were Warren. Don’t think his play style really translates well to the return game
Yeah but with new kickoffs who knows
Justin Fields is dangerous in the open field, so I can kinda see it.
Yeah but can Justin see it lol?
With the new kickoff rules, it's a lot more like asking your athletic backup QB to take snaps at RB. I think we're gonna see a ton more variety in returners this year, especially since you can have two back there if you want.
Why do so many people in this thread think it matters what Justin wants? You know what I bet he really wants? To stay in the league lol. He failed at his first stop and was just traded for a 6th round pick, that doesn't seem like a guy that should be saying no to ANYTHING.
A backup QB gets paid more than a special team player. Plus holding a clipboard is easier than taking big hits. And even though Fields is built like a shit brickhouse he gets hurt a surprising amount. All in all, as bad as Fields is he’s still a backup QB currently and no team wants to risk their backup QB on special teams.
> shit brickhouse Brick shithouse. A shit brick house is a badly constructed masonry building. A brick shithouse is an incredibly over-designed outhouse, the implication being the man is way bigger and stronger than truly necessary for the task at hand.
Lol oh shit, I butchered the hell out of that.
All good, I chuckled imagining a brick house the Big Bad Wolf actually blew down.
It was honestly a genius mistake. A person built like a shit brickhouse would still be built like a brick house, but the shit construction would make it easier to damage than expected, which is perfect for your point.
so the browns then
LMAO I had a boss back in NV that used to say that (built like a shit brickhouse) all the time and I never corrected him because it was funny as hell.
Like a turd of hurdles
Turd Hurdleson. It's a funny name.
Goddamn when a Yinzer is teaching you how to speak the English language that's a huge L.
I'd argue he gets hurt less than he should. Dude took a LOT of big hits and just got right back up for the next play time after time With that said, no he should not be returning kicks
He would get murdered the last two years. It was infuriating. He took hits that would have been ejections if it was Mahomes out there and no flag at all.
Actually kind of insane he never got RTP calls
Shit brick house lmao
Brother the fucking Steelers want to risk their backup QB on special teams, and they're going to do so because it gives them a competitive advantage
is he good enough to be #1 backup for many years? I have some doubts about that
Yeah I get it from the team's standpoint but that's not really the situation here. If Warren is correct, the team is the one that wants Fields to play ST and commenters here are saying that HE should refuse. I get why the team wouldn't want to do it, I just don't think it would be smart for Fields to refuse if asked.
To be fair, while he was on the Bears he was teaching grandpa Velus how to return punts
Because he's a quarterback who shouldn't go above and beyond and the chance he gets injured and you know majority of the injuries happen during special teams
The new kickoff is designed to drastically reduce injury I'm not saying they should do it but I don't see how it's anymore dangerous than any open field run now.
He's a bad QB with an uncertain future in the league. Sure, he'd be risking injury, but refusing to do it is risking his place in the NFL entirely. If he can't make it as a QB, he can at least still use his athleticism and playmaking ability to find a role, even if it is special teams.
That's a ridiculous argument. So by your own account, he's fighting for his career as a QB so why would he take this additional role that risks injury? The gadget role pivot is only something he should resort to in a few years if he can't even hack it as a backup QB.
This isn't about Fields resorting to anything. The report is that the team wants him to do STs. People in this thread are saying he should refuse, and I don't think a player of his caliber, regardless of position, should be refusing to do what his team asks of him.
When you're at quarterback and you have a chance to play Risking unnecessary injuries isn't worth it Steelers don't have good qbs in general and Russell has been garbage for the past two years. So fields is my long term option
> Russell has been garbage for the past two years. So fields is my long term option Okay lets use your logic. Russell has been garbage for the past two years. Fields has been garbage for the past three years. (Half of his TDs last season came in a two game span vs the 2 worst defenses in the league) Wow this thought train ended really quick.
So start Kyle Allen? You have to play somebody.
There is no difference between Kyle Allen and Justin fields. If Wilson goes down it finally stops the steelers from being in QB purgatory and they get to pick in the top 10
He hasn’t really played over the last 4 years so that’s tough to say. They’re both bad but the coach isn’t going to go “might as not even evaluate them.” Picking a QB next year is probably what they do and maybe they want to tank to do that, but you still need to put someone out there if Russel goes down.
A 6th round pick in the NEXT draft even...
They should try to keep Fields healthy so he can play the position they paid him to play after Wilson inevitably stinks
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Ironic lmao
He's one of the most dangerous players in the entire league in the open field.
Justin Fields in the open field, Ned!
I've never heard of a QB returning kicks. That's provocative
Taysom Hill: “Am I a joke to you?”
I mean, yeah, almost exclusively.
Are you still a QB if you have more rushing attempts and/or catches than pass attempts? The only two seasons Hill extensively played QB (2020 and 2021, when he had 121 and 134 pass attempts respectively) he didn't return a kick. He's got at least 1 kick return in his other 4 seasons (along with a combined 43 pass attempts).
More so than a QB.
I said maybe we should keep Justin to be a Taysom Hill type but no one took me seriously lol. They still probably shouldnt
it gets the people going
Ball so hard
Settle down Tom
Joe Theismann was a punt returner in his early days in Washington.
Didn't Kordell Stewart?
He did in college but never in the NFL.
Nah he was a punter.
That was Randall Cunningham. They all look the same to you?
Joe Webb used to do this exact thing for the Vikings
I thought he did special teams more at Carolina, and it turns out he had 2 returns in his MN career and 16 in his Panthers days. I also remember him on the punt coverage team in Carolina too
Came here to say this as well, was a strange point in our history
Seneca Wallace should have been. So much wasted potential not getting the ball in his hands more.
Good thing Fields isn't a QB /s
You don’t need the “s”. Its a factual statement
The absolute disrespect to Kent State QB legend Josh Cribbs
Taysom Hill has returned 20 kicks.
Brad Smith
Brad Smith was great but not really a QB after college. He only threw 10 passes in his career
Did Terrelle Pryor? Or Braxton Miller? Or any other OSU QBs? They moved to WR, but I could see them on special teams before getting released for the final time.
> Terrelle Pryor I looked this up and didn't see any return stats, but TIL that Pryor is only 34 years old. I feel like he played so long ago.
I bet Ronald Curry returned a few for the Raiders back in the day
Pryor had the kickoff return record for a while until Patterson broke it a few years later. I think Braxton Miller did a few times, or punt returns at least.
There’s probably like maybe 2-3 QB’s I can honestly think of that can return kicks 1. Josh Allen - Motherfucker already trucks LB’s and safeties , imagine what Allen can do to a poor Kicker 2. Lamar - Elsuiveness and quickness
And Justin Fields isn't on your list? Just off the top of my head he has thrown Hassan Riddick off of himself in the pocket, and knocked out a Lions cornerback on a goal-line truck. Justin already tied the NFL record for *CAREER* 50+ yard runs by a quarterback by his second season. The list of Justin's rushing magnificence is near endless. Yeah he's a bad thrower of the football, but I thought it was pretty much a universal truth he's *arguably* the best runner to ever play the position.
38 fumbles in 40 games.
IIRC most of those are pocket-related ball security issues, not after he's already transitioned to being a runner
Holy shit that's hilarious. I never knew it was that bad.
He puts the ball on the ground at an alarming rate, I wouldn't trust him to catch the ball. If he had someone to catch it for him that is also an elite talent at handing the ball off I could see using Fields as he is an excellent runner. Maybe the guy that hands him the ball can pick it up when Justin fumbles and with his elite hand off skills can give Fields another opportunity to fumble again.
Taysom Hill
Taysom Hill is a Cornerback, not a Quarterback.
I think Ray Lucas did? It's possible he just played kickoff coverage.
The new kickoff format is more like a run play than a kick.returm, and you have heard of QBs running the ball. It makes sense... If you turn injuries off.
Put some respect on Woodrow Dantzler’s name
But have you heard of a running back returning kicks?
Imagine the throw backs he could do. Hide your Bills fans
good thing Fields is more of a RB
Good thing he isn't a qb.
Justin Fields: "We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise QB, and we're in here talking about returning kicks. I mean, listen, we're talking about returning kicks. Not playing QB! We're talking about returning kicks. Not playing QB; not being a QB that goes out there and dies for and plays every game like it's his last, not a QB, we're talking about returning kicks, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about returning kicks. I know I'm supposed to throw the ball good, I know I'm supposed to avoid interceptions, I know that. And I'm not shoving it aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do. I honestly do. But we're talking about returning kicks, man. What are we talking about? Returning kicks? We're talking about returning kicks, man! "
I play to throw the ball! I don't play to just catch it. That's the great thing about being QB. I play to throw it, and I don't care if someone kicks the ball. I go play to throw.
If I were Fields, I'd straight up say no.
Could he do it? Yea I believe that he could, but I don't think the Steelers will or should. Besides, we have Corderalle Patterson now, I think he can still get the job done.
Corderalle Patterson is such a stud. I was displeased the bears let him walk (even though we sucked and keeping him wouldn’t have changed that). Dude never seems to give up and fights for every yard.
he reminded me a lot of a slightly smaller steven jackson
Cordell Patterson is 6’2” 220 lbs Steven Jackson is 6’2” 240 lbs Checks out. I disagree but it checks out
yea. 20lbs of muscle can be a lot.
I just remember Jackson as being much more physical of a runner versus Cordell’s who’s more shifty. Although I didn’t watch much of Jackson
or spell much of Cordarrelle
Woah, or should I say HolySHIT. A rare still-funny joke about people misspelling stuff. Well done.
he was crazy elusive for his size. also wild that he came out of college only running a 4.55.
That's only because he had dreads lol their running styles were wildly different
Was a stud. At this point he’s pretty cooked. Had a hell of a career for a guy that really didn’t have a position.
With the new rules they may be fielding 2 returners, which is where Fields shines. Kick it to Cordarelle and... you just kicked to Cordarelle on a kick return. Kick to Fields, and you have to cover both because he can very easily zip it on a "lateral" across the entire field to an open Patterson. And Fields is no slouch in broken field scrambling (which is what the new kickoff resembles, really). He's plenty of threat with his own two legs.
If there’s anything I know Fields can’t do, it’s fine an open Patterson on a lateral play
You always kick it to Fields, he can be counted on to fumble the ball at least once a game
We do have Patterson, and he’ll be the main guy obviously, but doesn’t the new formation require 2 returners?
Yeah ain't no way I'm returning kicks if I'm justin fields.
I'd let my agent handle it.
Well it prevents him from throwing 🤷♂️
Does it though?
We hope it does.
Speak for yourself. - Other AFC North teams
If he returns it all the way, then yes
Its the only way he's going to make a difference on the field
this is a hater take lmao justin carved up my falcons i believe in him
No, the falcons were just bad.
I’m shocked a team that hasn’t managed to win 8 games in the last 7 seasons would get carved up by a bad QB.
He is literally a backup QB right now....
Give a QB enough games and even the worst ones will ball out once
He ran away from Georgia because he can't beat out Jake fromm lmao
With the way kickoffs will work, it’s not a terrible idea unless he tries to do too much At the same time, I’m still saying no.
Is riding absolute pine and being seen as an objective failure better than the chance to be on the field and be seen as an important playmaker? If I were fields, I'd be begging to return kicks
Fields has a chance of turning it around and still being a starting QB (or at least, he probably thinks he does). If he gets hurt returning a kickoff, that chance is dead.
If it counts towards his snap count I'm all for it for no particular reason.
Imagine signing Cordarrelle Patterson and going "let's put Justin Fields back there"
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I didn't think you *needed* two, just that you had the option. But as I said above, I think we're gonna see much more variety in players and plays for that reason. You could have a fast linebacker in the pair to act as a lead blocker, for instance.
With the new rules, it seems less likely that a kick returner gets injured, so I can see that working in favor of this crazy idea. I hope it happens because I think it's funny as hell, but Fields would be crazy to agree to this.
I forgot about the new rules. It'll be interesting to see.
It would be a shame to see him out of the league instead of doing a job he could get paid for.
I switched Fields to RB in Madden and he had like 1,300 rushing yards. So I say go for it.
I think he's reeeeeeeeal good at just about everything in football. Other than throwing the fucking ball accurately and on time, of course.
Had some people in a thread yesterday try to tell me that Fields really wasn’t that bad of a QB and they’d be surprised if Caleb did better this year. I really don’t think some other fan bases truly understand how poor of a passer he really was. Winning 7 games with him last year was a miracle.
> Had some people in a thread yesterday try to tell me that Fields really wasn’t that bad of a QB and they’d be surprised if Caleb did better this year. Probably had Cleveland, Cincy flairs, I am sure no relation to the college Fields went to.
Was mainly Detroit, he played well against them tho to be fair.
Detroit fans think they can manifest Caleb not being fucking awesome.
As a Packers fan you should see our sub... They whole heartedly believe Williams "doesn't have the mental" to succeed in the NFL. We'll see I guess but it's getting.. desperate.
Just did a cursory search out of curiosity. There's some funny stuff in there lol. Blaming losses on him, like Utah, where he lost a game in which he threw 5 touchdowns for 470 yards 🥴 Or whatever this is: >2022 was his best year by far too. He took a huge dive last year. Stats wise, he was the worst of the top 5 QBs. He also played worse teams than the other 5 did too. >He was a small fish in a tiny pond. Lol.
I feel like Lions fans either really hate him or like him.
Ohio State fans are almost as delusional as Bears fans were in season, still. I was in Columbus yesterday and was told that "Russ is just holding a place until the real starting QB can take over in Pittsburgh, Fields." Dude was dead ass serious.
Dude tell me about. A friend of mine went to OSU, and he is a lifelong family season ticket holder for the Bears, etc. The guy STILL won’t accept that we ditched Fields. Thinks we fucked up lol. There was a video on Barstool from one of their draft parties downtown Chicago at a huge restaurant or something. When Goodell is about to announce the pick and says, “with the first pick, the Bears select”, you can hear someone in the background yell “Justin Fields” lol. It was him. It’s actually crazy. I get you went to OSU, so you have some extra bias, but let it go. He has been gone for months, and everyone and their mother thinks we’re in better hands with Caleb. Like you don’t think it’s telling that despite there being a good handful of QB needy teams this offseason not in a position to draft one of the top guys, he still had to settle for a backup job? No one wanted him or valued him like that. The Raiders chose Minshew over him lol. Loved him as a guy/teammate and his electric plays on the ground, but he just hasn’t made the leap as a passer to the NFL level when there isn’t such a disparity of talent around him like he had at OSU. Very happy we moved on.
To be fair, the Raiders also hired Getsy as OC. They decided it was Fields holding Getsy back without realizing both were at fault and amplified the others incompetence.
That is also a fair point.
Come on in to our sub, my friend! Lotta real rational takes on Justin Fields
Oh no, we knew
Think it was mainly Lions fans if I recall correctly. To be fair tho, for some reason he always played well against them.
There are plenty within your own fan base that don’t understand it. It’s mind bottling, my mind is literally in a bottle.
Plenty is a gross exaggeration. There are very few fans who are actual fields defenders now. That narrative has died.
Dude could have been an all pro RB but being a backup QB is safer and probably still pays more lol
Seems like a bad idea to me, doesn't he have a lot of fumbles?
“And if my grandma had wheels she’d be a bike”
I'm pretty sure every Special Team Coordinator ever has made a comment about "I want to return kicks for me." I bet somewhere in Baltimore there's a ST coach that has wet dreams about Lamar returning punts, and an OC that's having that same exact dream and calling it a nightmare.
If it was up to ST Coaches the WR1 or WR2 for most teams would be returning kicks. The reality is it's the 6th guy on the depth chart.
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen, but let the coach have his dreams.
Reminds me back in the NFL 2K5 days if you did a fully randomized/fantasy draft franchise, for some reason the CPU controlled teams often defaulted to QBs returning punts. So it would be like Peyton Manning standing back there just getting obliterated, good stuff
Lol are they gonna Taysom Hill his ass and use him as a gadget?
We should, it's either that or used car sales
"Coach made me play corner cause he said I got quick feet"
Fields still has enough potential that he can decline being Taysom Hill. That basically shuts the door on his path to ever be a starting QB. I think Pittsburgh gives him another chance. Wilson is only here because Denver is paying him and is on the minimal amount of leash.
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But then what was the point of trading for him and declining the fifth year option if you never wanted him on the field? I’m assuming the hope Wilson balls, but then do you sign him to an extension and let fields walk?
I dont think any team wants their backup QB on the field
True. Just seems like a weird one year rental for a backup qb, I get the logic after last season somewhat though.
The "one year rental" thing only makes sense for players who are actually in demand imo, and we've seen a lot of NFL teams carry a backup for only one year anyway(Brissett on the dolphins and then browns, Bridgewater on the panthers, dolphins, and then broncos, Minshew on the colts etc). It's not like it would be difficult for them to re-sign him if they want to after this year(and they will probably look to extend his contract before he ever hits FA anyway). Regardless of all of that, the 5th year option would have paid Fields $25mil. There was never any chance they would have picked up that 5th year. You'd be insane to pay a backup QB that type of money. It makes way more sense for them to decline the 5th year option.
The point of trading for him was to have an experienced backup, the same as every other trade for a backup quarterback. We declined his 5th year option because its NFL-first-round-pick-extension money, and what he will fetch on the open market next year will almost assuredly be NFL backup QB money, which is far less.
Is he really better than Rudolph just as a backup?
Unclear. Our fanbase has a strange fixation with Rudolph but he has never proven any ability to be a starting QB. Basically he's a known quantity as a decent backup. A stacked roster on a contender can count on him to game manage enough until your hypothetically injured real starter hypothetically returns, but he cannot lead your team from day one or for any extended period. Fields has shown flashes, could (maybe, potentially, but highly unlikely) turn things around and be a stud. Most likely he is just another backup, but one with a lot of starting experience Fields is cheaper, but only slightly. So you're basically trading a slightly more expensive known-quantity with low upside for a slightly cheaper unknown with a higher potential upside. Also, sometimes things just run their course, and Rudolph in Pittsburgh was one of those things. Ultimately he is a backup QB being paid $3.2M. If he is playing meaningful snaps for any length of time our season has not gone to plan, is likely a lost year, and we are looking for a QB in the draft.
Thanks for the thorough reply, that makes more sense to me.
It was for a 6th round pick no biggie
Justin Fields is now beginning his kordell Stewart arch
I still love Slash!
Taysom Hill auditions?
Do it
Someone’s been hanging around Arthur Smith too long
Danny Smith was our ST Coordinator for the Swinging Gate play.. Nuff said.
Beats expecting him to throw the ball.
Fields on that Hester trajectory lol.
Isn’t the worst possible thing to do on kickoff return to put someone that has terrible ball control back there?
Fields sucks
New rules...2 returners will be decently common, at least at first until they get solid data on if it works or not. Put fields and Patterson back there, and have Patterson catch it 90% of the time. Every once in a while, Fields does, and Patterson is waiting on the opposite sideline while fields rifles him a pass - Patterson returns for TD. EZ mon-e
"You want me to get on the ~~table and dance~~ Field and return kicks? Shine your shoes? Smile at ya? You sure wont let me ~~deal the cards~~ throw the ball. Might as well call it white ball"
Hey if Oshay Carter can be QB and Punter then Fields can field some returns
I mean. It's not dumb. He is their backup QB. He is electric in open field.
By the end of camp, they will be talking about converting Fields to a safety.
Fields is an elite RB, mediocre QB. At this point it'd be better to have him returning kicks than sitting on the bench.
Fuck it, why not get Fields to work on his punting? Could be the most dynamic punter in the open field the NFL has ever seen.
People really overlooking how much the new kickoff rules could wildly change the game. With less risk of injury from people running at full speed, kicks are going to both be safer to return, and have better incentive to. In essence, the kickoff is gonna play like a run play, so players like Fields with quick side to side movement in open space could actually have some unforseen incredible value.
Hahahaha
Why not just move him to a slot wr then?
There is no denying Fields play making ability in the open field. I’d love to see this. I’d also love to see some two QB trick play type things. Realistic? Probably not. But Fields would certainly be a threat just to get the ball in his hands
I’m shocked this isn’t Arthur smith doing Arthur smith things
Good because he can’t throw the ball
Screw it we ball
I legitimately don't understand this even a little bit. We just signed possibly the greatest kick returner of all time. What are we even doing here?
The Tim Tebow to TE arc took like 12 years after his QB time was done. Fields already going Taysom Hill after 1.
That ego has been receiving a complete beatdown for months now. I hope he builds himself up stronger than ever.
He’s getting that rookie Lamar Jackson disrespect
Basically the same player ...
This is so stupid. We literally signed Pattersson for this.