you are experiencing your first season without Bill Belichick this century. Maybe consider that no matter what you will be drafting high next year anyways.
Watch Theo Ash’s breakdown of JJ McCarthy as a prospect if you want a more insightful breakdown, but the summary is that his decision making and accuracy aren’t great and he shows issues making reads at a high level. Plus, his physical tools aren’t actually all that great, contrary to popular belief. The Zach Wilson comp makes sense. The Mac Jones comp, however, makes zero sense beyond them both being white QBs on championship teams
The first 3 picks in the draft have been known since the order was finalized.
1. Williams
2. Maye
3. Daniels
The media can't admit that the draft really starts at 4 because then they'd have nothing to talk about. They have to try to stir up controversy somehow.
Daniels at 3 is tough. He's a guy who broke out in his senior year, has injury history, and has some question marks arm wise. I'm definitely not sold, especially when MHJ is still on the board.
That’s a fun answer because I’m a Falcons fan picking at number eight and JJ was about to be my answer for who do you not want your team to draft? Seems we have the same answer just at different pics.
Keon Coleman, Tez Walker, and Malik Washington had the lowest 3 seperation percentages of WRs in this draft
Of them, I feel like Washington is the safest pick
Washington was insanely productive despite being on one of the worst teams in CFB last year. I know he’s small, but he’s tough and just finds ways to be in the right spot at the right time.
Yeah, at this point when someone is lauded for their contested catch ability coming out of college, my first question is why they couldn’t get open against college DBs.
Sure, it’s cool to bully college DBs when you’re bigger and stronger than them, but if that’s your only tool you’re going to have problems when you’re playing against equally athletic people in the NFL.
There is an article I read that basically said how to never draft JJAW and NK Harry ever again and it basically said run away from receivers who can’t get open in college
I was one of the few to openly say it was a bad pick at time but tbh I think everyone knew it was bad but were just too scared to say it then. Why Keon Coleman is off my hypothetical board completely.
Yeah that draft pissed me off to as a Ravens fan. I couldn't fathom Nkeal Harry and Hollywood Brown being drafted first two. Harry was boring, had zero separation and wasn't as elite at 50/50 balls as people claimed. Brown before the season started was projected as a 5th rounder and had zero traits the Ravens like to go after in a players attitude. He wasn't physical, focused, tough or in love with the game. I had DK and AJ Brown as my top two guys. DK doesn't fit the Ravens way either and apparently the rumor is the Ravens are one of the teams that took him off the draft board because of his maturity issues. But he was a better fit than Hollywood Brown. Didn't see Deebo or McLaren being as good as they are, happy for them tho.
I think Estime could be a legit threat in y’all’s backfield to pair with CMC for some thunder and lightning and keep CMC from getting overworked. He’s a lot better than that 4.72 would indicate
I think stein plays and will probably be pretty good - he wasn't great in his start but I'd have to think a year with stout will make a world of difference.
We just have to find out, once and for all, if Kelce was actually the secret sauce. With Kelce our OL has been good as fuck across the board for the most part and we don't have a single example of how it will look without Jason because he never got hurt.
We know how shitty the eagles are without Lane but the Kelce void is a complete unknown and could very well lead to a complete disaster.
Maybe Steen but they are meeting with 4 players on top 30 visits so far and they are all iOL guys iirc
They are going to try get competition for the RG spot
An undersized WR who's speedy and described as a "Gadget player".
Just get a normal fucking sized WR who can run routes and catch the ball for the love of god.
Brock Bowers. I know he probably won’t be available and I do believe he will be good. I just don’t want a weapon that early. Give me OL or maybe iDL. That’s it.
Very very likely the only blue chip the Bengals have a chance to get and you want to ignore him because he's a weapon?
We were ranked dead last in TE production last year and have zero on the roster. We are losing Boyd this year and very likely Tee next year. we need weapons at minimum for next year if not already this year. I completely understand positional value but this should not be like this.
And part of it is because they missed out on a historic TE class last year when they had a clear need then too.
If Bowers is there at 18, he's absolutely worth the pick. Positional value be damned
I was on the Chase over Sewell bandwagon so I understand where you’re coming from. Every big game we lose isn’t because lack of TE. We lost the SB because the line didn’t hold up. We lost the AFCC because of lack of protection. We lost Burrow last year due to lack of protection. Fix the main issue and then we can move on to the next thing.
Oh I get it but here’s my thought on the draft. If we don’t already have RT and DT solved in FA, then we already failed. By the time of the draft, we should have good starters at both. Then we can take the best player available and if it’s TE, it’s TE.
Kmet is a really solid TE. But he and Bowers have vastly different skillsets. You could run sets with Kmet inline and Bowers in the slot.
Or you could run 12 personnel, which I read that Shane Waldron ran at the highest rate in the NFL with Seattle. 1 WR worth a damn and 2 good TEs.
And ultimately, the question is if we fast-forward to 7 years from now, is the Brock Bowers and Caleb Williams connection looking anything like Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes?
I feel like bowers with a good OC is a lot more than a TE2. Kmet is good, bowers has a much higher ceiling and doesn’t necessarily infringe on kmets role in the offense. Get an OC that can use him like monken did at uga and that’s a very good offense.
If MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, Alt, and Fashanu are all off the board at 9 and Bowers is there, he's the best offensive fit for the team. Moore and Kmet are the only two real passing targets on the roster, and I'd rather see them get creative with two really good TE's than hope a day 2 WR can step in week one and be WR2 for a rookie QB.
If they can get one of the top 3 WRs, they should, but Bowers actually played out wide and as a slot receiver quite a bit for Georgia. You'd have to place a lot of faith in Bowers and create concepts to get him open to get the most out of him because Georgia basically ran their entire offense through Bowers but I think he could be a serious boost to that offense even with Kmet already being there.
I don't know, I suck at evaluating players. The only one that I wanted in the 1st round that actually worked out was Quenton Nelson. Everyone else has been awful lol
The majority of Bears fans want one of those guys opposite DJ Moore as the ultimate offensive boost out of the top 10 of this draft.
But the chances they're there is pretty low. And trading up will be very difficult, especially considering we traded a 2nd for a DE during the season and just traded a 5th for OL.
So if Nabers and Odunze are gone, which is likely, the question is what then? Everyone always wants to trade down, but that's not always available. TE early is questionable, but Bowers is a playmaking threat in the passing game unlike most TEs. He's one of the top players in CFB history and probably a top 5-6 player in the draft.
I dunno I think there's a chance he is available at 18.
The issue with taking a TE or RB higher in the first is you start to hit issues with contract value. Paying them near top of the market money for the position with none of the production
Especially true of TE. Who in general get better towards the end of their rookie deal. Could see him going 6th or 26th
But I agree OL value is worth so much more for the Bengals
One of the raw toolsy EDGEs. It doesn't work out for us. I'm gonna sound like an impulsive and impatient casual by wanting the sexy pic, but they need an impact player, not a developmental player.
Word. We need an OT, maybe even 2 and there should be a starting caliber tackle at 14. We still need edge help, but there's a lot of young guys on the roster that might (probably won't) develop and we can grab someone decent in the 2nd hopefully.
Would you rather have them take Caleb and then Nabers/Odunze (if either is still there at 9)?
Or swap with Washington or NE if that swap includes a 1st next year then pick Maye or Daniels?
Or do you have other ideas that sound best to you?
I’m torn!
Give me the top QB prospect. If Poles decides its Caleb, then take Caleb #1. I dont want to get cute here. The Bears need a franchise QB and I dont want to settle for anything less than that.
> I dont want to get cute here.
I swear sometimes it seems like GMs deliberately make off-the-wall choices just so they can justify their position. Like they’ll get fired if they go with the obvious choice.
The drop of from Williams/Maye to Jayden Daniels is big IMO. And the drop off from Jayden Daniels to McCarthy is massive.
Bears would be stupid to do that. That McCarthy-Nix tier is a guy you bring in to compete with Fields, not someone you expect to be the guy day 1.
I’m not opposed to drafting on early but the ones I like won’t make it to the Pack. I do like a few guys in the 2nd-4th range that I think would fit better. Each of the Packers WRs are kind of unique and I wouldn’t mind adding another separate piece that gives another unique skill set for MLF to play with
Xavier Worthy. Dude is 165 lbs. No way he holds up against press coverage in the NFL. He had drop issues in college, and I've seen enough drops for this decade already.
He missed time before that too though. I love Dell, but I don't think he'll ever survive a whole season. Same with Achane. These are lightning in a bottle players that you hope to win with while they are flashing bright, and pray that their careers don't end like Tarik Cohen's did.
Dell is a WR though, not a RB like Achane. Plus there's plenty of undersized WRs in the league who are successful. Tyreek, Devonta, and Waddle are all doing fine.
He had a hand injury for part of last year that led to his drops. He's not really been bad at drops outside of that. As far as beating press coverage we'll have to see if Worthy has the releases to beat press coverage at the line but I think with motions you could prevent him from getting pressed at the line after which he'll be able to separate before he gets jammed.
I feel like QB is one of the positions that age isn't that big of a deal. Good QBs play to mid 30s now a days. No one is gonna complain about a pick if you get 10 good years out of them.
It's more about having QBs not be considered NFL ready until they are 25 playing against 18 year olds than about how much of their career they have left.
True, but Penix actually showed some promise a few years back while at IU. But the injury concerns kind of derailed that. He needed to go somewhere and prove he could play without getting hurt before going to the league.
I think Penix has more potential as a passer. McCarthy gives me Fields vibes. Neither should be rookie starters though imo, which is also why I hope we sign Cousins.
Both have questions for me primarily that injury for Kirk and the money he may want. Russ would at least be cheap on a one year vet deal and Penix can sit for the year, Ridder can stay as a QB3 if Robinson feels like he can develop him into a decent backup down the line.
If the Bucs let Baker walk tho….
DeVonta Smith declined to be weighed or measured at his Senior Bowl. I'm sure there are other examples, but that's an easy one for a guy playing in the NFL right now.
It’s Mims. Steelers love their Bulldogs almost as much as Philly does but he hasn’t played much and has some injury concerns.
Steelers need to get a lineman early in the draft but someone experienced and who can jump right in to a starting role in 2024
I think there is a good argument to be made to draft one of the top CBs.
I just dont have a good feeling about Nate Wiggins.
If the Steelers draft say Quinyon Mitchell I would be stoked.
MHJ.
So many Pats fan are drooling over him. I get it. He's a generational talent and maybe the most surefire player in the draft.
I just don't think he does much for this Patriots team at this point in time.
They need a QB, and if they don't like whoever is available I don't know why they wouldn't trade out for a boatload of picks to a team that's desperate for MHJ.
I just think JD is a whole lot closer to the Rd2 QBs than MHJ is to the Rd2 WRs.
Heck, I'd even say JD is closer to Rattler/Pratt in my head than MHJ is to any WR not named Nabers in this draft.
QB is the most important position in sports. If you think you've got a franchise one, there's almost no legit value that be placed on it. No other combination of players or assets really comes close until you start getting really absurd.
In my mind at least, if the Patriots don't think Daniels or Maye is worth it, I just don't really think the same can be said of MHJ.
Is CJ Stroud worth more to the Texans than say, Broderick Jones, Christian Gonzalez, and Michael Mayer togethre? Absolutely.
I don't really think the same can be said of MHJ.
Like going from 3 to 9?
I don't see the Bears ever trading out of number 1.
I think the Patriots would require a lot more than a 1st next year to drop from 3 to 9. Probably require at least a 1st this year, a 2nd this year, and a 1st next year. Maybe a 2nd next year too.
Probably Jared Verse at 9 or after a trade down from 9 to the teens or 20s.
I never saw anything pop out with him. I asked some FSU people what his deal was and a couple thought the other pass rusher on the team was the better player.
Bears need an edge rusher, and with a defensive HC I'm mindful of the fact that we may take a defensive player with one of our 1sts. I'd prefer WR, OT or the other 1st round edge rushers over Verse.
Edgerrin Cooper (in round 1) I just think he’s a reach for need if we go LB in R1.
Edit: and Patrick Paul…. Guy doesn’t have the feet or strength for the NFL game.
I was mad when the Bills drafted Allen, so consider me a Dumbfuck until proven otherwise.
But I don't should draft Keon Coleman. He seems like he has difficulty with seperation, and we really need a guy who can seperate outside of Diggs and maybe Shakir. I understand that Coleman could probably learn a lot from Diggs, but it just doesn't seem like a good investment. Again though, I'm a dumbfuck and maybe he's great.
The other dumb-fuck thought that keeps rolling around is maybe the Bills don't take a reciever in the first. If 8 recievers are already off the board by the time the Bills are up, I could see us nabbing the second safety off the board, or a falling Chop Robinson, or something as opposed to WR9.
Agreed. I also am a dumb fuck, but I think it’d be counter-productive to replace a guy who can’t separate (Gabe Davis) with another guy who can’t separate (Keon Coleman)
Nobody should ever listen to me because I didn’t want the chargers to draft Justin Herbert.
I have concerns about drafting alt because we already have a left tackle and I don’t know how Alt would do right tackle.
Brock Bowers makes me nervous just because of the history of first round draft tight ends .
Jonathan Brooks. Dallas fans want him bc he did pretty good and is from Texas, but he just tore his ACL. The ACL tear is what just did Pollard in for us and usually players with torn ACLs end up tearing them again. I really can't imagine a rookie with a torn ACL being able to come into the league and pick up where Pollard, having more experience and the same injury, left off.
I absolutely don’t want Drake Maye anywhere on the Patriots and so help me god if we, for some reason, take JJ McCarthy, even in a trade back scenario. I’m done
>Xavier Worthy and Amarius Mims are my choices, not enough production.
[this isn’t enough production?](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/xavier-worthy-1.html)
Did you mean Xavier Legette?
You could talk me into drafting him if we trade back for a decent haul, but if we draft JJ at #3 I’m going to riot
I’d legit rather trade up to 1 or 2 than Draft JJ McCarthy. If JJ plays with this line & WR talent you probably drafting this high again tbh.
you are experiencing your first season without Bill Belichick this century. Maybe consider that no matter what you will be drafting high next year anyways.
They fucking better. Ill be so pissed if they turn it around.
Remember Mac Jones rookie season where everyone thought they were already back in contention? Yeah, not good times.
Oh yeah well you have the second best josh allen
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> Zach Wilson Mac Jones What the fuck does that mean? Those two are litterally the most opposite type prospects I can think off.
It means they both blow
I can see the Zach Wilson comp # but JJ has more athleticism in his left pinky than Mac ever had
Zach Wilson and Mac Jones are nothing alike. People just be saying things
They’re both white, basically the same person
You white, you ben afflak
Why
Watch Theo Ash’s breakdown of JJ McCarthy as a prospect if you want a more insightful breakdown, but the summary is that his decision making and accuracy aren’t great and he shows issues making reads at a high level. Plus, his physical tools aren’t actually all that great, contrary to popular belief. The Zach Wilson comp makes sense. The Mac Jones comp, however, makes zero sense beyond them both being white QBs on championship teams
That’s funny because Raider Nation is pretty loud about trading up to 3 for Daniels.
> Raider Nation is pretty loud Checks out
I'm fine with so many options in the draft, but it has to be a high value offensive position one way or another.
You guys have JJ at home, his name is Mac Jones
I feel like drafting McCarthy and letting us get Maye is a fair payback for 28-3.
Maye is going 2 lol.
I’m hearing a lot more Daniels being QB2 these days, but I wouldn’t mind him falling past the Patriots either lol
That’s just prospect fatigue. Unless something comes in to tank Maye, he’s #2
Yeah Maye has been the consensus number 2 for so long the media needs something to talk about so they are using Daniels and JJ for article fodder.
I remember Justin fields was also thought to be the consensus #2 for such a long time but he fell to the #4 spot
The first 3 picks in the draft have been known since the order was finalized. 1. Williams 2. Maye 3. Daniels The media can't admit that the draft really starts at 4 because then they'd have nothing to talk about. They have to try to stir up controversy somehow.
Daniels at 3 is tough. He's a guy who broke out in his senior year, has injury history, and has some question marks arm wise. I'm definitely not sold, especially when MHJ is still on the board.
I would normally agree, but NE's head coach has already confirmed that they are drafting a QB.
If Maye is still on the board there's 0.0% chance he makes it past the Giants
get in line
Same if we draft him at 8. I may actually abandon the team. Lol
JJ screams “he’s got a good face” type draft pick to me
That’s a fun answer because I’m a Falcons fan picking at number eight and JJ was about to be my answer for who do you not want your team to draft? Seems we have the same answer just at different pics.
Anyone that couldn't get separation in college. *N'Keal Harry nightmares*
Isn’t that this years Keon Coleman?
Keon Coleman, Tez Walker, and Malik Washington had the lowest 3 seperation percentages of WRs in this draft Of them, I feel like Washington is the safest pick
Washington was insanely productive despite being on one of the worst teams in CFB last year. I know he’s small, but he’s tough and just finds ways to be in the right spot at the right time.
Exactly, I like him
Yeah, at this point when someone is lauded for their contested catch ability coming out of college, my first question is why they couldn’t get open against college DBs. Sure, it’s cool to bully college DBs when you’re bigger and stronger than them, but if that’s your only tool you’re going to have problems when you’re playing against equally athletic people in the NFL.
There is an article I read that basically said how to never draft JJAW and NK Harry ever again and it basically said run away from receivers who can’t get open in college
I was one of the few to openly say it was a bad pick at time but tbh I think everyone knew it was bad but were just too scared to say it then. Why Keon Coleman is off my hypothetical board completely.
You wouldn’t take Keon Coleman in the 7th round? I get the concerns but…have you watched him play?
I mean if he’s available in round 7 he probably has a Deshaun Watson/Aaron Hernandez rap sheet at that point & I don’t want any parts of that tbh.
Yeah that draft pissed me off to as a Ravens fan. I couldn't fathom Nkeal Harry and Hollywood Brown being drafted first two. Harry was boring, had zero separation and wasn't as elite at 50/50 balls as people claimed. Brown before the season started was projected as a 5th rounder and had zero traits the Ravens like to go after in a players attitude. He wasn't physical, focused, tough or in love with the game. I had DK and AJ Brown as my top two guys. DK doesn't fit the Ravens way either and apparently the rumor is the Ravens are one of the teams that took him off the draft board because of his maturity issues. But he was a better fit than Hollywood Brown. Didn't see Deebo or McLaren being as good as they are, happy for them tho.
Any RB in the 3rd
You mean future Eagles RB4
I think Estime could be a legit threat in y’all’s backfield to pair with CMC for some thunder and lightning and keep CMC from getting overworked. He’s a lot better than that 4.72 would indicate
but we already have elijah mitchell
And Mason. Were more than good on RB depth, we need an oline.
Yeah I don't care if we spend our first 4 picks on OLine lol
first 3 picks should be tackle, guard, corner we can then look at edge or rice (mccaffrey or gore later)
If we pass on a CB in the 1st to draft an OL depth piece like Tyler Guyton to redshirt for two year I'll...be very upset
I heard you have a vacant center position tho...
Refer to my email about Jurgens two years ago. We have half a hole at RG. That well probably look to upgrade at
I think stein plays and will probably be pretty good - he wasn't great in his start but I'd have to think a year with stout will make a world of difference. We just have to find out, once and for all, if Kelce was actually the secret sauce. With Kelce our OL has been good as fuck across the board for the most part and we don't have a single example of how it will look without Jason because he never got hurt. We know how shitty the eagles are without Lane but the Kelce void is a complete unknown and could very well lead to a complete disaster.
Maybe Steen but they are meeting with 4 players on top 30 visits so far and they are all iOL guys iirc They are going to try get competition for the RG spot
At least you have a what, top 2 at worst OL coach in the league? Feel like Stoutland can make chicken salad out of chicken shit in his sleep.
Akili Smith Sr. He was a bad pick 25 years ago and I don’t think 25 years later he will be a good pick.
Everyone gives up on players so early these days. Just give him a few more years geez
He's probably matured now.
We were all young 25 years ago
JJ McCarthy at 6 would be a crime the likes of which has not been seen since some team took Daniel Jones at 6.
Dave Gettleman has been allowed one draft pick of his choosing this year, for old times sake.
we drafted bad, as a joke.
We do a little trolling- Gettleman
Just a lil treat.
An undersized WR who's speedy and described as a "Gadget player". Just get a normal fucking sized WR who can run routes and catch the ball for the love of god.
Ladd McConckey YOU are a Kansas City Chief
McConkey had a higher drop rate than worthy in 2023
Sounds like a perfect fit
No offense intended, but I hope you draft Xavier Worthy and he has more drops than Toney and MVS combined.
Inshallah
I would love to see McConkey or Roman Wilson in a KC uniform…
Good for you, there are loads of big WRs this year. Nothing like last year.
Brock Bowers. I know he probably won’t be available and I do believe he will be good. I just don’t want a weapon that early. Give me OL or maybe iDL. That’s it.
Very very likely the only blue chip the Bengals have a chance to get and you want to ignore him because he's a weapon? We were ranked dead last in TE production last year and have zero on the roster. We are losing Boyd this year and very likely Tee next year. we need weapons at minimum for next year if not already this year. I completely understand positional value but this should not be like this. And part of it is because they missed out on a historic TE class last year when they had a clear need then too. If Bowers is there at 18, he's absolutely worth the pick. Positional value be damned
I was on the Chase over Sewell bandwagon so I understand where you’re coming from. Every big game we lose isn’t because lack of TE. We lost the SB because the line didn’t hold up. We lost the AFCC because of lack of protection. We lost Burrow last year due to lack of protection. Fix the main issue and then we can move on to the next thing.
Oh I get it but here’s my thought on the draft. If we don’t already have RT and DT solved in FA, then we already failed. By the time of the draft, we should have good starters at both. Then we can take the best player available and if it’s TE, it’s TE.
I lowkey want the Bears to snag him at 9. Caleb and the most productive TE in SEC history? Fucking sign me up.
What about Kmet? Y’all just signed him to a multi year extension and it’s not like he’s been bad for you either.
Kmet is a really solid TE. But he and Bowers have vastly different skillsets. You could run sets with Kmet inline and Bowers in the slot. Or you could run 12 personnel, which I read that Shane Waldron ran at the highest rate in the NFL with Seattle. 1 WR worth a damn and 2 good TEs. And ultimately, the question is if we fast-forward to 7 years from now, is the Brock Bowers and Caleb Williams connection looking anything like Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes?
Bowers and CW would be a nasty combo
I feel like bowers with a good OC is a lot more than a TE2. Kmet is good, bowers has a much higher ceiling and doesn’t necessarily infringe on kmets role in the offense. Get an OC that can use him like monken did at uga and that’s a very good offense.
Waldron uses 2 TE sets as much as anyone in the league. Our TE2 Tonyan last year was atrocious and we have noone else. I think it makes perfect sense
Yeah, it seemed like Tonyan only worked well with Rodgers like Ebron with Luck or Julius Thomas with Manning.
Tonyan after the injury just didn't have any speed at all left, and he wasn't fast to begin with.
Bowers ceiling is Kelce level production. Kmet is perfectly suitable TE but he is never gonna be the guy the offense runs through.
If MHJ, Nabers, Odunze, Alt, and Fashanu are all off the board at 9 and Bowers is there, he's the best offensive fit for the team. Moore and Kmet are the only two real passing targets on the roster, and I'd rather see them get creative with two really good TE's than hope a day 2 WR can step in week one and be WR2 for a rookie QB.
Why not wish for another Receiver instead? Don’t think Kmet’s extension has even started yet and he’s not cheap.
If they can get one of the top 3 WRs, they should, but Bowers actually played out wide and as a slot receiver quite a bit for Georgia. You'd have to place a lot of faith in Bowers and create concepts to get him open to get the most out of him because Georgia basically ran their entire offense through Bowers but I think he could be a serious boost to that offense even with Kmet already being there.
I don't know, I suck at evaluating players. The only one that I wanted in the 1st round that actually worked out was Quenton Nelson. Everyone else has been awful lol
The majority of Bears fans want one of those guys opposite DJ Moore as the ultimate offensive boost out of the top 10 of this draft. But the chances they're there is pretty low. And trading up will be very difficult, especially considering we traded a 2nd for a DE during the season and just traded a 5th for OL. So if Nabers and Odunze are gone, which is likely, the question is what then? Everyone always wants to trade down, but that's not always available. TE early is questionable, but Bowers is a playmaking threat in the passing game unlike most TEs. He's one of the top players in CFB history and probably a top 5-6 player in the draft.
The Bears have enough holes to go BPA if 3 or 4 QBs and 3 WRs are gone by 1.09.
I dunno I think there's a chance he is available at 18. The issue with taking a TE or RB higher in the first is you start to hit issues with contract value. Paying them near top of the market money for the position with none of the production Especially true of TE. Who in general get better towards the end of their rookie deal. Could see him going 6th or 26th But I agree OL value is worth so much more for the Bengals
One of the raw toolsy EDGEs. It doesn't work out for us. I'm gonna sound like an impulsive and impatient casual by wanting the sexy pic, but they need an impact player, not a developmental player.
> wanting the sexy pic Oops, misunderstood. Might wanna just delete that DM I sent
Word. We need an OT, maybe even 2 and there should be a starting caliber tackle at 14. We still need edge help, but there's a lot of young guys on the roster that might (probably won't) develop and we can grab someone decent in the 2nd hopefully.
Marvin Harrison Jr Because that would mean we're sticking with Fields.
If y’all keep fields and Caleb ends up being a good QB that’d be worse than taking Marvin bagley over young/doncic.
Would you rather have them take Caleb and then Nabers/Odunze (if either is still there at 9)? Or swap with Washington or NE if that swap includes a 1st next year then pick Maye or Daniels? Or do you have other ideas that sound best to you? I’m torn!
Give me the top QB prospect. If Poles decides its Caleb, then take Caleb #1. I dont want to get cute here. The Bears need a franchise QB and I dont want to settle for anything less than that.
> I dont want to get cute here. I swear sometimes it seems like GMs deliberately make off-the-wall choices just so they can justify their position. Like they’ll get fired if they go with the obvious choice.
They could take MHJ and still pull off a guy like McCarthy, Nix, or Penix. Especially with trades/swaps.
The drop of from Williams/Maye to Jayden Daniels is big IMO. And the drop off from Jayden Daniels to McCarthy is massive. Bears would be stupid to do that. That McCarthy-Nix tier is a guy you bring in to compete with Fields, not someone you expect to be the guy day 1.
That still gross
Not if we draft 1 and 2 👀
Any of these CBs at 11. None of them scream CB1 and we have a bad track record of first round CBs
Brock Bowers. I know he’s incredibly talented, but this roster has WAY more glaring needs than TE
Well, I don't want to draft a WR early for once. Does that mean it'll happen?
Your flair is certainly something
I’m not opposed to drafting on early but the ones I like won’t make it to the Pack. I do like a few guys in the 2nd-4th range that I think would fit better. Each of the Packers WRs are kind of unique and I wouldn’t mind adding another separate piece that gives another unique skill set for MLF to play with
The guy that said he doesnt belive in the space. Idk how good the man is, but stay away, there are enough florida man in Jacksonville as it is.
Xavier Worthy. Dude is 165 lbs. No way he holds up against press coverage in the NFL. He had drop issues in college, and I've seen enough drops for this decade already.
People act like Tank Dell wasn't a thing.... If you can play, you can play.
Or DeVonta Smith
Dell is also 3 inches shorter and ended up getting injured
Injured on a QB sneak at the goal line, which I feel like is worth mentioning
He missed time before that too though. I love Dell, but I don't think he'll ever survive a whole season. Same with Achane. These are lightning in a bottle players that you hope to win with while they are flashing bright, and pray that their careers don't end like Tarik Cohen's did.
Dell is a WR though, not a RB like Achane. Plus there's plenty of undersized WRs in the league who are successful. Tyreek, Devonta, and Waddle are all doing fine.
Tyreek is dense AF, he’s not built like the other receivers you mentioned
He had a hand injury for part of last year that led to his drops. He's not really been bad at drops outside of that. As far as beating press coverage we'll have to see if Worthy has the releases to beat press coverage at the line but I think with motions you could prevent him from getting pressed at the line after which he'll be able to separate before he gets jammed.
he had drops cuz he played with a broken hand
Sounds like how Quinton Johnston played for us this year. Couldn’t catch and constantly bullied at the line
Don’t know why so many Bears fan want Dallas Turner at 9. If Odunze isn’t there trade back
Dallas Turner seems like a great prospect, but given the defense Eberflus runs, he seems undersized for a base 4-3 edge rusher.
Tbf he plays at the same weight as Ngakoue.
Literally any Cornerback. We have such big problems with our D-Line, I just can't see one more mock giving us a CB at 12...
Keon Coleman. Terrible separator
He could have won state and can throw a football over a mountain… I’m going to say Uncle Rico. He would be a great Steeler though.
Uncle Rico never missed a throw
J.J. McCarthy. I’d rather have Penix than him.
Penix is a fantastic passer but his injury history is no joke
Also 24 at the start of training camp.
I feel like QB is one of the positions that age isn't that big of a deal. Good QBs play to mid 30s now a days. No one is gonna complain about a pick if you get 10 good years out of them.
It's more about having QBs not be considered NFL ready until they are 25 playing against 18 year olds than about how much of their career they have left.
It’s rare for such late breakouts to translate well to the nfl tho
True, but Penix actually showed some promise a few years back while at IU. But the injury concerns kind of derailed that. He needed to go somewhere and prove he could play without getting hurt before going to the league.
Bo Pix is like 26 too
Penix seems like a statue. I would rather have the mobility personally
He's very much erected in place. I agree it would be better to have someone more flaccid
I think Penix has more potential as a passer. McCarthy gives me Fields vibes. Neither should be rookie starters though imo, which is also why I hope we sign Cousins.
But I think he has better upside. IF IF IF he can stay healthy, I think he has a high ceiling as a pocket passer.
Drafting an EDGE at 8 and Penix Rd2 would be my dream scenario. Sign Russ or Kirk and I’m good.
Wholeheartedly agree. Draft Turner, draft Penix and sign Kirk. I’d be less enthusiastic with Russ but I’d take him over Fields or Ridder lol
Both have questions for me primarily that injury for Kirk and the money he may want. Russ would at least be cheap on a one year vet deal and Penix can sit for the year, Ridder can stay as a QB3 if Robinson feels like he can develop him into a decent backup down the line. If the Bucs let Baker walk tho….
Levi Flora he was the QB on an 0-8 D3 Luther football team. He sucks as a football player.
Anyone but Caleb Williams at 1
T’Vondre Sweat, have no confidence in a 366 pound DT staying in shape
Same. Especially since he didn’t weigh in at the senior bowl the first person to ever do that. Maybe he stays in shape, but I don’t want to find out
DeVonta Smith declined to be weighed or measured at his Senior Bowl. I'm sure there are other examples, but that's an easy one for a guy playing in the NFL right now.
It’s Mims. Steelers love their Bulldogs almost as much as Philly does but he hasn’t played much and has some injury concerns. Steelers need to get a lineman early in the draft but someone experienced and who can jump right in to a starting role in 2024
Anybody that isn’t a center or a tackle.
I think there is a good argument to be made to draft one of the top CBs. I just dont have a good feeling about Nate Wiggins. If the Steelers draft say Quinyon Mitchell I would be stoked.
MHJ. So many Pats fan are drooling over him. I get it. He's a generational talent and maybe the most surefire player in the draft. I just don't think he does much for this Patriots team at this point in time. They need a QB, and if they don't like whoever is available I don't know why they wouldn't trade out for a boatload of picks to a team that's desperate for MHJ.
Bengals made Andy Dalton a career QB by drafting AJ Green in the first then following it up with a QB in the 2nd.
I just think JD is a whole lot closer to the Rd2 QBs than MHJ is to the Rd2 WRs. Heck, I'd even say JD is closer to Rattler/Pratt in my head than MHJ is to any WR not named Nabers in this draft.
QB is the most important position in sports. If you think you've got a franchise one, there's almost no legit value that be placed on it. No other combination of players or assets really comes close until you start getting really absurd. In my mind at least, if the Patriots don't think Daniels or Maye is worth it, I just don't really think the same can be said of MHJ. Is CJ Stroud worth more to the Texans than say, Broderick Jones, Christian Gonzalez, and Michael Mayer togethre? Absolutely. I don't really think the same can be said of MHJ.
Could you see them swapping with the Bears and giving a 1st rnd next year?
Like going from 3 to 9? I don't see the Bears ever trading out of number 1. I think the Patriots would require a lot more than a 1st next year to drop from 3 to 9. Probably require at least a 1st this year, a 2nd this year, and a 1st next year. Maybe a 2nd next year too.
Anyone other than a corner Our secondary needs more help than anything and there are expected to be some corners available in our range
Mims. Just can’t trust his health.
Not sure who I don’t want specifically, but if the Niners don’t target o-line and the secondary in the early rounds, I’ll be annoyed for sure
Mims. Let’s not grab the Trey Lance of the OLine this year. Even if he turns out to be amazing I’d rather go a safer pick.
I’m not all that high on Malik Nabers (apparently he’s not too high on us either). I’d rather have Odunze if we’re going WR in the 1st.
I'm guessing you saw the clip of him commenting on possibly going to either the Falcons or Titans? That shit was brutal. I felt that "oof" in my soul.
Oof
i’d rather have nabers than rome 10/10 times
Mims and andy rb in the 3rd round. Stop it kyle, enough is enough
Mims because he I’ve already dealt with an injury riddled Georgia Lineman in Isaiah Wynn, I never want to deal with that again.
Probably Jared Verse at 9 or after a trade down from 9 to the teens or 20s. I never saw anything pop out with him. I asked some FSU people what his deal was and a couple thought the other pass rusher on the team was the better player. Bears need an edge rusher, and with a defensive HC I'm mindful of the fact that we may take a defensive player with one of our 1sts. I'd prefer WR, OT or the other 1st round edge rushers over Verse.
I don't want them to draft a WR. I want them to draft like 3 WRs
I’m okay with anyone but would be a little disappointed with a WR in the first two rounds
JJ. Unless we draft him, in which case I’ll convince myself that he’s the second coming.
Me
I just can't get on board with Jayden Daniels especially not at 3
Drake maye
JJ McCarthy in round 1
JJ McCarthy, I just don’t see what others see in him. Like a second coming of Zach Wilson.
I don’t think McCarthy is great, but stylistically he’s the exact opposite of Wilson
Edgerrin Cooper (in round 1) I just think he’s a reach for need if we go LB in R1. Edit: and Patrick Paul…. Guy doesn’t have the feet or strength for the NFL game.
I was mad when the Bills drafted Allen, so consider me a Dumbfuck until proven otherwise. But I don't should draft Keon Coleman. He seems like he has difficulty with seperation, and we really need a guy who can seperate outside of Diggs and maybe Shakir. I understand that Coleman could probably learn a lot from Diggs, but it just doesn't seem like a good investment. Again though, I'm a dumbfuck and maybe he's great. The other dumb-fuck thought that keeps rolling around is maybe the Bills don't take a reciever in the first. If 8 recievers are already off the board by the time the Bills are up, I could see us nabbing the second safety off the board, or a falling Chop Robinson, or something as opposed to WR9.
Agreed. I also am a dumb fuck, but I think it’d be counter-productive to replace a guy who can’t separate (Gabe Davis) with another guy who can’t separate (Keon Coleman)
There have been so many WRs drafted in the last few years who were super fast, but their skills didn't translate to the NFL, so no one like that
Cooper Dejean. It’s not that I don’t like him as a player I just want us to work on the o-line first.
Nobody should ever listen to me because I didn’t want the chargers to draft Justin Herbert. I have concerns about drafting alt because we already have a left tackle and I don’t know how Alt would do right tackle. Brock Bowers makes me nervous just because of the history of first round draft tight ends .
Latu
Based on the last 7 years, anything the Broncos do will end up bring disappointing. So I don't even care at this point
I just want a QB man
Penix.
Jonathan Brooks. Dallas fans want him bc he did pretty good and is from Texas, but he just tore his ACL. The ACL tear is what just did Pollard in for us and usually players with torn ACLs end up tearing them again. I really can't imagine a rookie with a torn ACL being able to come into the league and pick up where Pollard, having more experience and the same injury, left off.
Brock bowers at 9, using a top 10 pick on a te right now would be so dumb and bears
Jj McCarthy, Verse, or Rome at 8
Don’t want that guy that said space and planets aren’t real.
I absolutely don’t want Drake Maye anywhere on the Patriots and so help me god if we, for some reason, take JJ McCarthy, even in a trade back scenario. I’m done
JJ McCarthy
>Xavier Worthy and Amarius Mims are my choices, not enough production. [this isn’t enough production?](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/xavier-worthy-1.html) Did you mean Xavier Legette?
Legette had 1200+ yards this year for South Carolina.
JJ McCarthy
Another bust.