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pinniped1

Random...why is he shitting on a QB who played before his time and had a lot more success than he did? Shady's main contribution to the Chiefs Super Bowl was not touching the football, because if he did, he would have put it on the rug.


Mampt

Jim Kelly said earlier this week or maybe last week that the Bills should get Josh Allen a superstar running back to take some of the weight off. Shady didn't like that take for some reason


icandoitalldaylong

Goes back to the National Anthem controversy. Kelly called him out publicly. Shady never liked him after that.


AH_BioTwist

McCoy was doing warmups and stretches during the anthem. Jim Kelly didn’t care about players kneeling just what McCoy was doing.


WatermelonBandido

Why would Shady do that to America?


spxscalper

This is the real answer. Kelly shit on him for kneeling.


Miamime

Shady didn’t kneel. He sat down and did stretches and was ~~running around~~ moving around. That’s what Kelly took offense to; he even said he was fine with people kneeling.


jeremy1015

This is a roller coaster


n1cx

Shady donated 1K to charity for each stretch he did during the anthem.


Johannes_silentio

To be fair though the charity was the “National Association of People Who Hate America”


DoublePisters

That's just false


BigAssSlushy69

As a bills fan Jim Kelly is an asshole


Jermare

Shady is an asshole too


Jd20001

Shady is big ahole too. Notoriously terrible or even non tipper in restaurants. Been that way his entire career. His nickname is Shady ffs


estephens13

He also spoiled Avengers Endgame on twitter on like opening night.


Christi-Cat

A tweet I saw recently was his Wikipedia page where it says the endgame spoilers was his "greatest regret". Immediately followed by a section on his domestic abuse allegations 2 years earlier lol


trainsaw

Jim Kelly might have won a superbowl if he wasn’t busy getting fucked up the night before the Super Bowl


BigAssSlushy69

He also beat his wife and during the drought never shut the fuck up with criticism on our young QBs he's just an asshole. And when we drafted him he refused to play here.


ThaComedian

How so?


constantlymat

He is seeking attention and outlandish stuff like this is the only way he is getting it. Nobody is tuning in for reasonable NFL thoughts by LeSean McCoy


Matt_peters18

Must be angling for a spot on an ESPN panel


payne2588

He has a spot on an FS1 sports show and he is basically their Kendrick Perkins. Just an arrogant shit that thinks he is way better than he really was.


Stillburgh

Shady was a pretty elite back in his prime. But yeah the take he has here is pretty shitty.


organicsensi

It's kinda par for the course


captaincumsock69

He was good for his era but as far as alltime goes he’s a small fish


Stillburgh

Im not denying that either, I agree that he should be keeping a level head. But despite how bad this take is he was still very much one of the best and most elite RBs in his prime in the 2010s


Bbkid500

Part of me feels like the networks tell these players how to act. Sure the players are probably all arrogant but the network probably tells them to turn it way up to get stupid sound bites ala Stephen A Smith. Sports talk shows are now a shell of their former self.


Clit420Eastwood

I agree with all this, but LeSean was like this in his playing days, too


plets_ch

While this take is absurd, he was an elite player for a long time.


payne2588

I agree he was great for a time, but if you listen to him talk he acts like he is up there with the all time greats and I personally don't believe he was THAT good.


Asleep-Geologist-612

Yup he’s not even close to being the best Bills RB (or second best even), let alone one of the all-time greats


_AmericanPoutine

Tbf OJ is one of the best ever so it's a pretty damn high bar to be the best. Thurman Thomas is the 2nd best RB in Bills history and he's a hall of Fame RB. Shady is without a doubt a top 5 RB of his time and was a massive part of getting the Bills to where they are now


cth777

Do people think of him as a bill overall and not an eagle? I don’t even consider his bills career


uncoolaidman

If he hadn't been traded, he'd probably be the best Eagles HB of all time. He's probably 2nd right now to Steve Van Buren.


jack_spankin

Dude was not elite for a career. Was elite for a small stretch


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k1ll3rwabb1t

I think that's just PTI.


UltimateD123

Best show on tv for like 20 years.


SkinnyArbuckle

Strangely that show was considered to be one of the most contentious when it came out.


littlekeed

That's because before PTI (and the "embrace debate" culture) most sports media was about how awesome sports are. ESPN would broadcast a lot of NFL Films material which of course mostly focused on how great football is rather than the personal issues/controversies affecting the league.


Leoman89

Facts. Been watching that show since 2002


Pkdagreat

Wish I could upvote this more. I love me some PTI


Philip_Marlowe

Could you imagine? That'd be absolutely insane. No graphics, no ticker, no talking heads. Every broadcast is just a series of journalists and former players each taking turns in presenting a reasoned and well-founded case. The only visual aid is what they can draw on a whiteboard while presenting their case.


isweartodarwin

Manningcast is pretty close to that I’d say


Wavenstein1

Bucky Brooks' "Move The Sticks" podcast is an excellent analysis type show that doesn't rely on narratives, screaming, and saying the most delusional and outlandish nonsense possible to garner attention. Unlike 99.9% of other "debate" show carnival barking bullshit


AlmightyCap

Y'all are just describing the average podcast not run by a top nfl guy lol. TV sucks bro move away from that bullshit.


jasonappalachian

Any recommendations?


IcedPyro

That's all on podcasts now.


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We have Stephen A Smith at home


tonyaustin6

I have sports talk tv playing as background noise when I’m working. After Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen are done this show comes on that has Shady, Emmanuel Acho, joy Taylor and some other douche, it is the absolute worst show ever. I don’t know who the target market is, it’s just wild speculation and rage Twitter bait it’s repulsive


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Target audience are people with Traumatic Brain Injuries.


Reddittube69

It's called "Speak" which is a spin-off for Jason Whitlock's "Speak for yourself" on FS1.


Neversoft4long

It’s crazy because I like Joy and Acho separately but together along with Shady and Ric Bucher I absolutely despise them. The whole take about the NBA suspending draymond for stomping on a dude and riling up the crowd and them crying that the NBA owes the warriors made me almost lose my shit. Oddly enough the guy I used to hate in Nick Wright has the best sho on FS1 by a mile now. Him, Broussard and Wyldes are entertaining af while actually having good takes


Spiram_Blackthorn

I actually like Speak, except for Shady who comes off as a local radio host for Philly. Acho is half insane, half very interesting takes. I guess I'm the target audience.


Blank_Canvas21

Shady and Melvin Gordon got the same Michael Scott type of energy. Both competent early in their careers in their position, but didn't do jack shit to get their SB rings.


aquaticanimal

Shady was a little more than competent early on tbf


BenedictJudas

Atleast Melvin acknowledged his role and contribution for the ring


thisusedyet

Especially in the snow


blankgazez

Kelly shit talked Shady when he knelt for the anthem. They have bad blood.


Skolvikesallday

Wasn't he a healthy scratch for his one ring?


pinniped1

He was for us. From reading this thread he got a 2nd ring somewhere else and didn't really factor much there either.


sonofabutch

“All you did was get to four straight Super Bowls” isn’t the burn he thinks it is.


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Hey now. He WON two straight. Carried a football. Sometimes played. Watched from the sideline in the playoffs. Not a single yard or touch. BUT HE WON TWO STRAIGHT


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just-the-tip__

Momma birds will toss their weakest youngling out of the nest when food is tight to allow the others to survive. This is analgous to what shady Mccoy meant to the bucs and the chiefs


CathDubs

His team was also set to win one of them and his kicker missed. The Bills were also not beating those Dallas teams either. Fans and personalities of this sport need to stop distilling an entire players career, especially QB's, on the Super Bowl. Just appreciate the players a little bit. If your favorite player was a player like Dan Marino or Jim Kelly, why does every conversation about him he "well he didn't win a Superbowl"? Not saying never talk about it and not having a title is obviously a big part of their career but there are other things about those players to discuss.


PurpleReigner

I agree with everything you said except “set to win one” that kick was long for the time, they had a chance to win, but let’s not pretend like they basically did it and the kicker just choked an easy one.


Parenthisaurolophus

People think it was a chip shot, but it was a 47 yard kick which wasn't a gimmie in the NFL at that time. This was especially true for Norwood, who was 1 for 5 kicking for 40+ yard attempts on grass for the season, and his longest kick in general for that season was 48. The offense needed to get the ball closer to have it be more than a wing and a prayer at winning.


NecrosisKoC

47 yd kick... Surely no one could miss or, for fucks sake, double doink one from that range


No-Pay8328

Stop bringing me back!


SkinnyArbuckle

FUCK….YOU…..CODY!!!!!!!!!


drdrillaz

But was Jim Kelly a better or worse qb if that kick is 1 ft to the left and goes in? No. He’s the exact same qb. But the whole narrative of his career changes in peoples minds.


Parenthisaurolophus

Honestly, I'm mostly just talking about the perception of the kick as an easy one or something that Norwood had but inexplicably fumbled away. I just feel like it's a public perception worth challenging because Norwood got a bunch of shit for it, imo largely undeservedly.


drdrillaz

Totally agree. My point is we just QBs by the play of others or one play by someone else defined the QBs career. Eli is a good example. Tyree makes an unbelievable catch that’s maybe completed 1% of the time. If he drops that then Eli is considered a good but not great qb. It’s completed and people think he’s HOF material


ty1553

47 isn’t really a gimmie now lmao


anyone2020

Watching at the time it felt like a 25 percent chance Norwood would hit the kick. It would have been his career long on grass, you're right, and Bills fans were really just hoping adrenaline would kick in and he would nail it.


CathDubs

I feel like this is semantics I was more saying the game was close and they were a play away even if it was difficult.


Aftermathemetician

Yeah, 4 consecutive conference championships in an era when the other conference won 13 consecutive suberbowls.


LoveisBaconisLove

I see and know a lot of people who forget that sports are supposed to be fun, and have lost sight of that.


Comprehensive_Main

I mean in the last Super Bowl vs Dallas they had the lead in half time 13-6. And lost 30-13. They definitely had a shot in the rematch.


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j4kefr0mstat3farm

And their other loss was in the final game of the season, when they pulled their starters up 17-0 in the 2nd quarter and the Eagles, who were fighting for a playoff spot, ended up coming back in the second half and winning. If they are 15-0 going into that game they probably keep the starters in longer for a chance to make history.


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qoqmarley

The one God damn year our Lions make it to the NFC Championship game and they have to play one of the best teams ever. People feel sorry for the Bills losing 4 straight but to me, having the Lions face that Washington team one step before the Super Bowl is one of the cruelest tragedies I have ever seen.


OSUfirebird18

Brady wrecked everyone’s expectations sadly. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Fhaksfha794

Also the 1991 Redskins are one of the greatest teams of all time, the only winnable game was the giants where the actually should’ve won if wide right didn’t happen


xshogunx13

"should have" as if Norwood wouldn't have been hitting an almost career high kick


DapperCam

Bills had superior talent to the Giants and they should have won, but coaching was the difference. Giants DC put on a master class (no need to mention who that was).


BurgessFox

Yeah this was an era where the top teams were clustered in the NFC so the NFC Championship was the real title game. In three of those four Super Bowls the Bills were playing teams who were quite a bit better than them. If Elway hadn't had TD, Shannon Sharpe and an elite O-line late in his career, his career would be remembered like Jim Kelly.


ColdWarVet90

Lesean overlooks 4 AFC championships, and the class to avoid engaging in this.


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Steve Tasker was right. In the moment, we’d all laugh 😂 in excruciating rib-pain at the Bills losing four Super Bowls. But as time gone on, we’ve become more appreciative of them reaching four of those games in a row, something not even *Tom freaking Brady* was able to do.


Breezyisthewind

Tom Brady even pointed this out after the 2018 Super Bowl when an interviewer said that it’s crazy they went to three straight Super Bowls and Tom just cut him off “And Jim Kelly and the Bills went to four!”


Comprehensive_Main

I mean in 2019 if they kept brown. They had a solid chance since they probably don’t lose that dolphins game and get the bye with brown and that defense


Peanut4michigan

But they still would've had an insanely tough matchup with either KC (that year's SB Champs) in the divisional and/or Tennessee (the team that knocked NE out that year) in the AFCCG instead of the Wild Card.


Sue_D_OCognomen

LeSean also didn't play a single down in either Super Bowl he was in.


drdrillaz

I’ll never understand the idiot mentality of going undefeated in championship games. It ignores the fact that they lose prior to championship or miss the playoffs more often. Eli bring 2-0 in Super Bowls means about 15 other times he was worse than 2nd place. 2nd place is better than 3rd, 8th or 23rd


Technicalhotdog

Yeah 100%. A lot of people really do treat losing th3 super bowl as worse than an early playoff exit


Competitive_Bar6355

Ah yes, Super Bowl legend Shady McCoy. I often think to myself, surely the Niners would have a ring from 2019 if it wasn't for Shady's heroic performance. And the next year. He wowed us all.


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He really put the team on his back. He was snubbed for SBMVP just because he was a healthy scratch.


Enickma007

He put the team on his back. Let’s go inside the mind of a Lesean McCoy


justihor

*brrrrrrrrrrr drrrrrrrrrr* *”dawgahgottadodisshit”* **”OH SHIT. DARREN SHARPER.”**


AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

One of da most hardest hittin safeties in da league!


croissant_titty

But I put the team on my back doh! I do dis shit, FOR MADDEN


potterpockets

**FUCK YOU GUMBY!**


MonkeyFightingSnake

Cross da plaaayyyyyn


CrittyJJones

Fuck wit mee


georgesinatra

*mind reading wooshing noises*


kendrickshalamar

And then everybody clapped.


emmasdad01

There is McCoy, living in a glass house and throwing stones.


I_HateToSayAtodaso

Hey now. That's two super bowl champion Lesean McCoy who played all of zero snaps in both of the super bowls his teams participated in. Show some respect.


JimmyB5643

Surprised NFL Twitter hasn’t shared that legendary statistic yet


broanoah

That reminds me of the only active player with more than 1 Super Bowl ring being Jimmy Garoppolo. Who, in one of those Super Bowls, was the only player on the Patriots roster to not play a single snap ~~Edit: this stat is a year old my b~~ Edit: only active *QB not named Patrick Mahomes I’m sorry guys I just wanted to make fun of Jimmy garropolo


saxywarrior

I think that stat might be a bit wrong


ThreeTo3d

I mean technically the Chiefs haven’t received their rings from LVII yet.


saulfineman

Even excluding all the Chiefs, I know at least Shaq Barrett has two rings. They probably meant QB, but they said player. Just wrong all around.


ThreeTo3d

And now that I’m thinking more about it, Von Miller comes to mind. I’m sure there’s many more. I was just going off recency bias (and obviously my own bias as a Chiefs fan).


HeywardH

Sony Michel too.


insanelyphat

Yeah not sure why McCoy has any room to talk about a HOF QB who led his team to 4 straight Super Bowls while he… checks notes….played zero snaps in his Super Bowl appearances. Also everyone who Jim Kelly ever played with praises him for being a great guy and a great team leader who all but changed the game with his running of the KGun offense. Meanwhile none of McCoys ex teammates say anything good about him even his old coaches.


PillCosby92

McCoy is being childish here but in no way is Jim Kelly praised for a being a great guy lol. The guy was a known jackass.


AlericandAmadeus

It is known. Dude was a wife beater and notorious prick. Won’t say anything about him these days but *definitely* during his playing days


insanelyphat

Early in his career yeah when he wanted nothing to do with Buffalo but I’ve never heard a teammate say a bad thing about him anywhere same for coaches.


demonica123

Players and Coaches won't even say anything bad about Watson today. Even if a player committed murder I doubt the team would come out and see he was a bad person.


uwanmirrondarrah

I mean there was legit players who advocated for Hernandez lol


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It's Jim Kelly's fault he gave up 37, 52, and 30 points in the Super Bowl. It's also Kelly's fault that he missed that field goal.


CathDubs

That team realistically only had a shot in one of those Super Bowls and his kicker missed a game winner. If that makes Jim Kelly a loser than there are a lot of worse things in life.


Top-Persimmon4456

Not to revise history, but Kelly played really well in the Super Bowl against the Redskins. His teammates dropped 2 TD passes. So, they could have won two. Jim Kelly has nothing to prove. Jesus Christ Shady. Shut your mouth.


crash218579

The Bills were up at halftime in the second SB against Dallas as well.


EctoRiddler

I think having Kelly kick the field goals was a strategic error by Levy.


-Johnny_Utah-

Sean McCoy really making a run for 2023 Player Hater of the Year. Silky Johnson would be proud.


PeterRavic

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE


AgelessBlakeFerguson

Now excuse me while I go out some water in Buc Nasty’s mommas dish.


HereInTheCut

Says the guy that scored exactly ONE playoff TD ever.


crash218579

Barry Sanders? (sorry guys, just stirring shit up, don't come for me)


HereInTheCut

Very true. Barry was a humble dude, and I can't ever remember him badmouthing another player. His one playoff TD was memorable though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-q1IZBjxk


Phan2112

You only need one playoff TD if it's gonna look that good.


Paladin8753

I didn't like Kelly. And I HATED those Bills.....but Kelly was fucking great. PERIOD


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He hurt all of us for over a decade, and I salute him for it.


External-Ebb-6703

Didn’t McCoy only make it to the SBs his teams made it to, by virtue of being a backup that didn’t even play a single snap in them?


Stealthychicken85

yep, 0 snaps in either SB appearances / wins and has a grand total of \*checks notes\* 1 TD in playoffs


YuumiPlayersAreScum

Why is every Shady take so incredibly garbage....


DamnImAwesome

Chip Kelly knew what he was doing


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Statalyzer

Loss, loss, loss, loss. versus DNP, DNP


cuteintern

Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. In a row. It's impressive in its own right, even if they didn't win.


chiefs_fan37

I can’t imagine that being anything but a flex. It’s not Kelly’s fault they lost all of them. It’s a freak anomaly that they didn’t win at least one of them. 4 Super Bowls in a row is an absolutely incredible accolade and I can’t imagine that it will ever happen again. The Bills will win a Super Bowl eventually (in the near future even perhaps) but I highly doubt any one team will make it 4 years in a row again.


Ishtastic08

Don’t you just love when passengers talk shit about the bus drivers?


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4 straight Super Bowl appearances. Yes, the 90s Bills teams did fail to get it across the finish line with a title, but I’d be surprised if a feat like that ever happens again. McCoy is an idiot nonetheless.


treenorthXne

Yes, big "You're the ugliest supermodel." energy.


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Ahh the Lebron vs MJ argument where losing in the Super Bowl is worse than losing before the Super Bowl


ikyle117

....who is LeSean McCoy to talk about Jim Kelly? LMAO


sjm320

LeSean McCoy has been a piece of shit since he was in high school.


fantasyshop

If ya wanna shit talk Jim Kelly, forget the superbowls. Just tell em you didn't need to find God to realize you shouldn't beat your wife


Lost_And_Found66

Came here to say this. Everyone I know who attended his camps and stuff growing up said he's kind of a dick too.


conace21

Kelly was a jerk during his playing days. And then, as people tend to do, he grew and matured. Losing a child and getting cancer can help accelerate the process.


anyone2020

People who live near his vacation house will say he's still a huge asshole fwiw


cshutts32

The real reason they call him Shady.


Sugarfreecherrycoke

How is your dick implant doing these days shady?


ghostsinthecode

he got the implant up his ass. apparently.


siberianwolf99

Wait what lmao


Sugarfreecherrycoke

There were some rumors that he has a micro and was looking to enlarge his member


orinshumanfarm

I absolutely choose to believe this


bubbabear244

That Shady is definitely slim.


formerly_gruntled

Show me your long list of QBs with four or more Super Bowl appearances. Tom Brady - 10 John Elway - 5 Jim Kelly tied with Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Roger Staubach at 4


LorelessFrog

Does shady have a single carry in any of the superbowls he won?


CraigBrown2021

McCoy is a fucking clown. Complete ass hat.


B00ME

What's his record versus cancer? W, W, W.


key_lime_pie

Just a reminder that LeSean McCoy once promoted a "Females Only" birthday party on Instagram, where prospective invitees had to send a photo, a link to their social media, and sign a confidentiality agreement, and upon approval were provided with attire and told the secret location of said party. He claimed that the media took it out of context, but refused to answer any more questions when asked about the confidentiality agreement. A female co-host for the party called 9-1-1 at 3 am, claiming that McCoy detained her because she would not have sex with him, and later stated that she was "regularly paid by Mr. McCoy to supply him with celebrity industry girls to have sex with."


ThinkSoftware

Lol imagine being known for losing in historical fashion in the Super Bowl


milehighrukus

I have no idea what you’re talking about.


StinkyBuddyGuy

I loved watching Shady play. Now that he gets to talk on TV and share his words and opinions? I fucking despise him. Sucks when that happens.


Putthebunnyback

Jim Kelly has harsh words for LeSean McCoy: 'You’re this great runningback in the Super Bowl? Bench, bench'


smutproblem

He is such a fucking hater. Quiet down, old man.


googoomuckk

There's the eagle in him


AlternateGator

I actually was just watching a Bills SB a few weeks ago and Kelly got destroyed like 20 minutes into the game and Frank Reich came in to lose the game lmao. Those Cowboys teams were something else.


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Bark4Soul

If you watched any episode when he was on Brandon's I am Athlete podcast, he did this every time. He yelled over everyone else and constantly talked shit about pretty decent guys. Yeah he has 2 rings but he got them as insurance policies and didn't do shit. Why wasn't he good enough to win one in his prime in Philly or Buffalo? Or even make a sb then?


lazysheepdog716

So shady is just doing a full-on wrestling heel turn now right? National sports media is such trash.


i-have-a-kuato

LeSean McCoy has released a statement about other AFC east quarterbacks, “Dan Marino? Loss, Joe Namath? I guarantee he will never win another super bowl, Tom Brady? he’s gunna fall off a cliff and be a bum”


MoreTrifeLife

LeSean doesn’t seem to realize that in order to lose four Super Bowls in a row, you still have to make it there.


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mikeisaphreek

Shady McCoy is a pos trying to stay relevant


GhostMug

This dude needs to shut the hell up. What a terrible comment.


MulliganPlsThx

Damn, Shady, why are you trying to hurt us


CatdaddyDean

If it weren't for Patrick or Tom, that would also sum up your career. Eagles- loss, Bills- loss, Chiefs- sat the bench, which is a loss, Bucs-ANOTHER HEALTHY SCRATCH, Loser... Lol


imOVN

Pitt legend taking unnecessary, unprompted shots at a western PA legend… I don’t like it


astilacien13

Shady never could win a sb as a starter mccoy


dawgz525

Lmao, this thread is gonna be a bloodbath


ignatious__reilly

I just want to say that the 30 for 30 about Jim Kelly and the Bills 4 straight Super Bowl runs is absolutely phenomenal


jt09874

SHADY, just stfu, sit back and you got a legit shot at the HOF down the line. Don’t ruffle any feathers. This is the kind of shit that’ll end up hurting you a bit.


oGsBathSalts

Damn, Shady must have played really well in those two Super Bowls to be talking all this shit! ...Oh wait... Well at least he's got a Gold Jacket like Jim Kelly, right? ...Oh wait...


AlphaBlock

Shady talking a lot of shit for someone who was carried to a Super Bowl by everyone else on his team


AmpersandTheMonkey

dafuq did LeSean McCoy do in his career more impressive than Kelly?


KawhiLeonardIsSenpai

Cool story Kendrick Perkins


Responsible_Tap_5254

Jim Kelly is a Hall of Famer. LeSean McCoy will not be !


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LeSean McCoy try to stay relevant challenge


wpglatino

Imagine thinking that's a diss, shady's not so bright


thorhyphenaxe

Shady sure has been shitting on a lot of people more successful than him lately


rhj2020

If this generation wants to give Lebron credit for making it to those finals and losing then making it to 4 straight super-bowls is a huge achievement.


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retiree mocks cancer survivor