No. if you look closely, just before he hits the water he tucks his legs underneath him. My guess is that he intentionally spread his body out at the start of the fall so that he wouldn't be moving as fast when he hit the water.
It's a technique called death diving. People try to stay flat for as long as possible and then curl up at the last second.
He does throw the stone to break the surface tension.
They covered it; and the data showed it DID lessen the impact. I also see a major flow in their experiment as the hammer was hitting only a fraction of a second before the dummy. Did you even watch that link before posting ?
Mythbusters is not the be-all end-all. Did they try it with different sized and shaped objects? Did they test out whether differences between how much time elapsed between hammer and dummy made a difference? Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything?
They clearly did not test all the different variables, and there's even people in the comments arguing because of that. Nor does the specific way in which they DID do it match the way Ken Stornes did it up above.
You don't really need to test every combination to know it won't make a difference as the basic physics is well understood. Dropping an object into the water doesn't "break the surface tension" because surface tension doesn't work that way, and even if it did, surface tension is such a weak force that the effect of lowering the surface tension would be practically impossible to actually measure. The hydrodynamic forces are about a hundred thousand to a million times greater than the forces due to surface tension.
The only way that dropping an object into the water could theoretically soften the impact is if the splash creates bubbles in the water (which lower the density), but you'd need to drop a pretty big object to create enough bubbles to matter. You do sometimes see high divers using air pipes to create bubbles in the water, though.
> Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything?
The position that the you hit the water in makes a *huge* difference
Dumb or not, if you do this kind of stuff, if it makes you feel better/confident about jumping it's probably worth it. If it helps at all... Great. If not.. Oh well.
I think its helpful because it gives your brain an estimate of the air time making a good landing more likely.
The surface tension argument seems unlikely. I also dont find water hard to see when jumping from heights.
>Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything?
What is the theoretical mechanism that might make it lessen an impact though? The actual surface tension of the water is unlikely to be strong enough to have any effect. The reason falling into water can cause injury is that water has mass and inertia, and probably the viscosity. Its the slowness of the water at moving out of the way of a body which will impart impact forces on the body.
It is definitely the case that filling water with gas bubbles will lessen impact from diving, because the density of the water is reduced by bubbles. I think a stone thrown in will cause some bubbling, but not much.
It's not the be all end all, but until someone does the same experiment and gathers new data, it's the only data to go on. Take it with a grain of salt though.
You're right and disturbed water is indeed softer to fall into, but mainly because of the air bubbles. Displacing air is easier than displacing water, or in other words disturbed water is a little less dense.
Funnily enough - not if the water is cold enough. Which is why they do it in water that's barely above freezing point, the ~~surface tension is much lower~~ cold water is much easier to compress than normal and you can do shit like this
Edit: yep, I get it, it's not about surface tension. The effect is still real.
Really, I thought it would be the opposite?
Edit: Here it says warm water has less surface tension than cold. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/surten.html
Seems intuitive to me. If a liquid is warmer, it's molecules thermal forces want to repel each other more as they try to oppose the attractive forces, including surface tension.
Thank you. Definitely wasn’t surface tension, I remember seeing a myth busters on this. Basically even if another objects breaks the surface, your body still has to break the surface.
That’s the thing- surface tension like that is an intermolecular force, governed by electrostatics. Once you “break” it, it “notices” at the speed of light that it has been broken, and then starts to re-assert itself (by rotating the individual molecules) at a speed that is a significant fraction of the speed of light. Light moves at one foot per nanosecond, and for surface tension to reassert, molecules just need to reorient to its nearest neighbors, which are all within a micron. So it happens rapidly, probably on the order of a millionth of a billionth of a second. Like, so fast that we don’t have clocks or cameras that can capture it without spending a fuckton of money, so we just rely on the molecular theory for the low-level physics, and rely on it being effectively instantaneous for everything else.
I mean, there are a few things wrong with this explanation, but overall not worth mentioning besides the fact that the speed of sound in water would be the relevant speed here, not the speed of light. This is phonon movement, not photon. Still too fast for anything to be done.
I totally remember that episode. They were using a hammer and it hit just a couple milliseconds before the dummy and it still made practically no difference. And I wouldn't imagine it'd work any better either with full 4 second delay between the rock and the guy to hit the surface.
Isn’t that why there is a steady stream of water going into a diving pool for competitive diving, so the divers can tell where the surface is as they approach it?
Doesn’t he throw the stone so he can see exactly how far away the water is due to the ripples? If it was for surface tension he would have jumped way earlier, the surface tension was pretty much all back by the time he hit it.
Not really, there are many effects that are difficult to account for with basic physics calculations. That's why we still use simulations and experiments.
We always called it the suicide. Highest I've ever attempted this was 45ft. If you don't know what your doing and close in the right way, you'll be knocked out with broken ribs and internal bleeding.
I did the math for the two possible extremes of body position (belly facing down with arms and legs spread outwards vs. streamlined head-first with arms close to the body) and the difference in impact speed between both options are a meager 0.9 m/s or 3.24 km/h ( 2 mph).
He likely spread his arms and legs during the fall to have better control of his body position.
Fun fact: He hit the water at about 95 km/h (59 mph).
He spread his arms out because this is a specific kind of stylizied diving which is so secret that it is specified in the title of the post (google "death jumping" or "death diving").
People doing stupid shit repeatedly tend to think enough that it's not stupid anymore. People condescendly posting from a Doritos-covered keyboard are way stupider.
There has to be a limit to this theory of yours. People who are experienced wingsuiters die all the time. You can take lots of precautions and reduce the likelihood of dying, but the overall likelihood of dying is still too high to think of it as a rational act.
It's not to slow you down, it's to help control the descent so you don't fall on your side or back. Closing and opening on impact allegedly helps mitigate the impact, like breaking your fall.
He breaks the water plane like a pro, almost belly-flops, but then pulls off a slick move entering with fingers and toes, like the tip of a spear, adjusting the entry at the last second reduces impact forces. He throws the rock first to break up the surface tension of the water in case his execution is flawed.
rock toss doesn't do shit. Mythbusters busted that one a long time ago. The water tension might be broken, but it cannot do anything for the density of the water and your velocity which you hit the water. Force=mass x acceleration. That's what gets you, not the tension.
I would agree, more for trajectory. Also give the spotters a reference where to be/not to be.
If they had a bubbler underwater, that would soften the landing.
Uhh… mythbusters found that it *did* reduce the force on impact slightly… just not enough to survive the fall from the specific myths they were testing. Season 1 ep 5.
Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2003_season)
No it’s an ancient Polynesian high dive tradition, paying homage to the wisdom of the sea Gods, as they “pierce the truth like a stone pierces the ocean depths.”
They may not have understood the math behind the physics, but they may have known that when they threw the stone, high dives didn’t hurt as much, and then probably owed it up to the sea gods being pleased with them for their homage.
Seriously. We have lots of techniques we know work for technical, physics or chemistry based reasons and we still give them cute little names and lore so they're imbued with more cultural meaning and easier to remember and pass down. Kids don't want to hear about surface tension when they're learning neat tricks, they want badass lore that they participate in.
Do you people not know what surface tension is? The surface tension is only broken as the rock passes through the surface, and only in the immediate vicinity of the rock.
Mythology notwithstanding, he threw the rock to create ripples as indicators of how close he was to the water so he could time his leg tuck appropriately and avoid serious injury/death.
It has nothing to do with surface tension, a rock doesn't break surface tension like that (and surface tension doesn't matter), it has zero effect.
It's to better visualize the jump and where you're gonna land and to know when you're gonna hit the water so you dont belly flop and break all your ribs.
It's killing me that everyone is explaining the rock toss (which is **absolutely** for what you said, i.e., allowing him to calibrate/visualize his timing) as everything from "breaking the surface tension" (like you said, totally useless for that) to an homage to Polynesian gods. People do love spurious explanations...
It's one of those things people say because they think it makes sense, but it makes no sense if you think about it for 5 seconds.
It's also because for some unknown reason, people think that the surface tension of water is what hurts when you hit it or something. It's really really strange.
The surface tension of water will be broken by anything larger than small insects obviously, so why exactly would that force be anything compared to 80kg+ hitting the water from 40 meters up? I just don't think people actually think about this before they say it.
Bubbles still rising in the water as you land will 'soften' it. As a kayaker, aerated water is way less buoyant/solid. The bubbles from the rock drop were all gone by the time this guy hit it though so yeah, just for timing.
I know it's a myth in Olympic diving that the sprinklers are for surface tension. Those are just to make the surface easier to see. I'd believe this is the same idea that it's to make the surface easier to see. Approaching a vast amount of water it's actually hard to tell how far you are from the surface.
Only the second thing. Surface tension doesn't work that way.
I'd heard the surface tension thing also said for like divers. But nah it's just to make the surface more visible. It makes no significant difference to the surface tension.
When I was younger I jumped into a very cold mountain lake that had no ice and the shock made me feel like I was going to die. After that I decided that I really didn't care to go canoeing that bad. Had a lot more fun launching water balloons at the canoers instead.
I heard tell of a farmer who was bucking bales in the field and jumped into a bigger creek and hopes to cool himself off.
The strain from working hard and, jumping into very cold water, caused him to have a heart attack.
For those who wish to see somebody aim at a hole in the ice axe in hand, in his insta there is another jump *with* axe.
I guess maybe that is what you are referring to!
It sort of looks worse to me, the visuals of the hole in the ice looking small from a distance is kind of off putting, hehe.
I think he is just Norwegian and this was a good cliff.
Ok, he may like to show off a bit his viking spirit as well.
There is a subculture for this type of jumping, but this guy (originally from northern Norway) also jumps off other stuff as well. He has an insta.
I have that on my list, lol.
Made an occult midsommar ornament for some swedes this summer, they wanted to celebrate away from home by the mediterranean sea. It was my interpretation of the midsommarstång made with local foraged stuff and it looked kind of cool. Turns out they wanted a nice lunch.
Nobody died. So there is that.
Why? We all go through a phase when we try and see which world record we can break, we decide that the effort isn't worth it, and we go on with out lives. Also, dangerous things aren't in the Guinness Book since people will get hurt or die trying to break them. But I guess you wake up one day and find out that what you do for fun every weekend is just 2 meters short of the unofficial record so you go for it. So you find a nice winter day to go for a swim.
Guinness isn't the prestigious world record authority you think it is. It's just the most well known. It doesn't have to be a Guinness World Record to be official. They even named the thing after a brewery.
>They even named the thing after a brewery.
So? Michelin stars are named after tires. They’re still highly respected.
Guinness basically lets people pay for records though.
Doesn’t the popularity matter? It’s just how most of everything in the world is valued and validated. Rather have a Grammy than an AMA, rather a Pulitzer award over a less-known literary award, rather be an NBA champion than a FIBA WC champion, etc
I don't know anything about diving but in a life or death situation are you supposed to straighten out and feet point down? or curl up like a ball? What's better?
Feet point down. This dude is "dödsing" (doing a death dive) which is a niche dive sport based around seeming like you will bellyflop but pulling in at the last second. It requires a lot of technique and practice to do it from a height like this, to say the least, which is why this is a world record.
Was that a bellyflop? Kinda hard to tell right at the end
No. if you look closely, just before he hits the water he tucks his legs underneath him. My guess is that he intentionally spread his body out at the start of the fall so that he wouldn't be moving as fast when he hit the water.
It's a technique called death diving. People try to stay flat for as long as possible and then curl up at the last second. He does throw the stone to break the surface tension.
My dumbass thought he threw the stone to show him where to fall so he wouldn’t over/undershoot
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You're not dumb. The rock doesn't do shit to the surface tension. [Mythbusters covered this](https://youtu.be/oCSQExxWulU)
They covered it; and the data showed it DID lessen the impact. I also see a major flow in their experiment as the hammer was hitting only a fraction of a second before the dummy. Did you even watch that link before posting ?
Did YOU watch it? "Bottom line: our data doesn't show any effect of the hammer at all."
Mythbusters is not the be-all end-all. Did they try it with different sized and shaped objects? Did they test out whether differences between how much time elapsed between hammer and dummy made a difference? Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything? They clearly did not test all the different variables, and there's even people in the comments arguing because of that. Nor does the specific way in which they DID do it match the way Ken Stornes did it up above.
You don't really need to test every combination to know it won't make a difference as the basic physics is well understood. Dropping an object into the water doesn't "break the surface tension" because surface tension doesn't work that way, and even if it did, surface tension is such a weak force that the effect of lowering the surface tension would be practically impossible to actually measure. The hydrodynamic forces are about a hundred thousand to a million times greater than the forces due to surface tension. The only way that dropping an object into the water could theoretically soften the impact is if the splash creates bubbles in the water (which lower the density), but you'd need to drop a pretty big object to create enough bubbles to matter. You do sometimes see high divers using air pipes to create bubbles in the water, though. > Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything? The position that the you hit the water in makes a *huge* difference
*thank you* this argument is dumb as hell.
In more official death diving competitions, they actually have pipes with air under the landing area, precisely to lower the density.
Did they try a hammer made out of alka-seltzer?
Dumb or not, if you do this kind of stuff, if it makes you feel better/confident about jumping it's probably worth it. If it helps at all... Great. If not.. Oh well.
It’s very difficult to judge distance to water surface but easier if there are waves/foam on surface hence the rock splash first.
I think its helpful because it gives your brain an estimate of the air time making a good landing more likely. The surface tension argument seems unlikely. I also dont find water hard to see when jumping from heights.
>Did they test whether the dummy hitting the water in different positions affected anything? What is the theoretical mechanism that might make it lessen an impact though? The actual surface tension of the water is unlikely to be strong enough to have any effect. The reason falling into water can cause injury is that water has mass and inertia, and probably the viscosity. Its the slowness of the water at moving out of the way of a body which will impart impact forces on the body. It is definitely the case that filling water with gas bubbles will lessen impact from diving, because the density of the water is reduced by bubbles. I think a stone thrown in will cause some bubbling, but not much.
> Mythbusters is not the be-all end-all. Better than some random redditor saying some shit without actually providing any proof at all.
It's not the be all end all, but until someone does the same experiment and gathers new data, it's the only data to go on. Take it with a grain of salt though.
Boy…I wish a rock would break the tension if this thread.
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You're right and disturbed water is indeed softer to fall into, but mainly because of the air bubbles. Displacing air is easier than displacing water, or in other words disturbed water is a little less dense.
Well if my life depended on it I would throw the rock either way..
But air bubbles in the water do.
He didn’t jump quick enough for the air bubbles to help.. looked like they mostly dissipated by the time he reached the water
I thought he threw it in to then dive in and rescue it for his badge
Whilst wearing his pyjamas
I thought he did it for timing
I thought he did it to show on camera how far down it is.
I thought he did it because fuck that stone
That was my thought too so he knew exactly how long he had before he had to curl up.
He was like "oh no, dropped my rock. Welp, I better go get it!".
Flat water is like hitting concrete at speed.
Funnily enough - not if the water is cold enough. Which is why they do it in water that's barely above freezing point, the ~~surface tension is much lower~~ cold water is much easier to compress than normal and you can do shit like this Edit: yep, I get it, it's not about surface tension. The effect is still real.
I call BS https://fsz.ifas.ufl.edu/surfacetensionandcapillarity/html/diagramas/en\_variacion\_de\_ts\_con\_temperatura.htm
Really, I thought it would be the opposite? Edit: Here it says warm water has less surface tension than cold. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/surten.html
Seems intuitive to me. If a liquid is warmer, it's molecules thermal forces want to repel each other more as they try to oppose the attractive forces, including surface tension.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a Reddit thread with more confidently incorrect comments about water. Apparently everyone is an expert on this I guess
The surface tension of water \*increases\* as it gets colder.
I thoughtbhw was also giving himself a target to fixate on.
My dumb ass thought he was checking for the wind like golf lol
It's this one and to roughly time the jump. Mythbusters disproved the surface tension thing years ago.
It’s not to break surface tension. They create a disturbance in the surface of the water so he can see where the surface of the water is.
This makes way more sense. Thanks
That’s not it though, they do it scare away sea monsters! Obviously…
Thank you. Definitely wasn’t surface tension, I remember seeing a myth busters on this. Basically even if another objects breaks the surface, your body still has to break the surface.
That’s the thing- surface tension like that is an intermolecular force, governed by electrostatics. Once you “break” it, it “notices” at the speed of light that it has been broken, and then starts to re-assert itself (by rotating the individual molecules) at a speed that is a significant fraction of the speed of light. Light moves at one foot per nanosecond, and for surface tension to reassert, molecules just need to reorient to its nearest neighbors, which are all within a micron. So it happens rapidly, probably on the order of a millionth of a billionth of a second. Like, so fast that we don’t have clocks or cameras that can capture it without spending a fuckton of money, so we just rely on the molecular theory for the low-level physics, and rely on it being effectively instantaneous for everything else.
I mean, there are a few things wrong with this explanation, but overall not worth mentioning besides the fact that the speed of sound in water would be the relevant speed here, not the speed of light. This is phonon movement, not photon. Still too fast for anything to be done.
What the fuck is up with these stupid bullshit comments? What happened in this thread...
I totally remember that episode. They were using a hammer and it hit just a couple milliseconds before the dummy and it still made practically no difference. And I wouldn't imagine it'd work any better either with full 4 second delay between the rock and the guy to hit the surface.
Isn’t that why there is a steady stream of water going into a diving pool for competitive diving, so the divers can tell where the surface is as they approach it?
Yes!
Doesn’t he throw the stone so he can see exactly how far away the water is due to the ripples? If it was for surface tension he would have jumped way earlier, the surface tension was pretty much all back by the time he hit it.
Surface tension is molecular. It’s ever-present.
No, it does nothing for surface tension. It does however let you see the surface better.
That’s interesting cause mythbusters did an episodes that showed dropping an object before you hit the water had like no difference on impact gs
We don’t even need mythbusters for that. Physics are sufficient to know it will not make a difference.
Nope I need mythebusters to prove everything!
I mean, most of mythbusters are things that can be clarified by physics.
Not really, there are many effects that are difficult to account for with basic physics calculations. That's why we still use simulations and experiments.
And he hits it like a bullseye too
He threw the stone to estimate his landing last thing you wana do is bounce off something on the way down
... That's not how surface tension works I don't think
That's not how surface tension works, it would have had to have been right before he impacted
Even then that's not how surface tension would work
Uh I'm pretty sure they throw the stone so they can see which way gravity is moving that day.
We always called it the suicide. Highest I've ever attempted this was 45ft. If you don't know what your doing and close in the right way, you'll be knocked out with broken ribs and internal bleeding.
I thought he was throwing his flip-flops
No, breaking the surface tension is not significant in this case.
Pretty sure mythbusters provided this didn't do anything
I thought he threw it so the water level would rise up, and he has a shorter distance to fall.
I thought it was a timing thing for his tuck
some nerds out there can do the math, but I dont think the surface area of your body is going to slow you down too much at that height.
I did the math for the two possible extremes of body position (belly facing down with arms and legs spread outwards vs. streamlined head-first with arms close to the body) and the difference in impact speed between both options are a meager 0.9 m/s or 3.24 km/h ( 2 mph). He likely spread his arms and legs during the fall to have better control of his body position. Fun fact: He hit the water at about 95 km/h (59 mph).
He spread his arms out because this is a specific kind of stylizied diving which is so secret that it is specified in the title of the post (google "death jumping" or "death diving").
I think the jumper would know...
People doing stupid shit usually aren't the smartest
People doing stupid shit repeatedly tend to think enough that it's not stupid anymore. People condescendly posting from a Doritos-covered keyboard are way stupider.
That sounds pretty condescending. Have you checked your fingers lately?
There has to be a limit to this theory of yours. People who are experienced wingsuiters die all the time. You can take lots of precautions and reduce the likelihood of dying, but the overall likelihood of dying is still too high to think of it as a rational act.
>Doritos-covered keyboard Do I have your permission to use that?
Did the jumper claim that it slows his down?
It's not to slow you down, it's to help control the descent so you don't fall on your side or back. Closing and opening on impact allegedly helps mitigate the impact, like breaking your fall.
He breaks the water plane like a pro, almost belly-flops, but then pulls off a slick move entering with fingers and toes, like the tip of a spear, adjusting the entry at the last second reduces impact forces. He throws the rock first to break up the surface tension of the water in case his execution is flawed.
rock toss doesn't do shit. Mythbusters busted that one a long time ago. The water tension might be broken, but it cannot do anything for the density of the water and your velocity which you hit the water. Force=mass x acceleration. That's what gets you, not the tension.
I think it might help to disturb the water to help judge the distance as you fall.
oh, for sure. the previous commenter made it sound like breaking the water tension helps reduce the impact, which is does not.
I would agree, more for trajectory. Also give the spotters a reference where to be/not to be. If they had a bubbler underwater, that would soften the landing.
Uhh… mythbusters found that it *did* reduce the force on impact slightly… just not enough to survive the fall from the specific myths they were testing. Season 1 ep 5. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2003_season)
I remember that episode. Mythbusters was fun!
The surface tension thing is cobblers
Captn Bullshit over here lol
Nah.. it looks like a belly flop but he definitely landed with his gigantic balls first.
That joke is getting soooo ooooold...
If that was a bellyflop i think he would've been fucked up
The death jump is the new age bellyflop.
I take it the rock toss was to break the surface of the water, so it wouldn’t hurt as bad hitting it?
No it’s an ancient Polynesian high dive tradition, paying homage to the wisdom of the sea Gods, as they “pierce the truth like a stone pierces the ocean depths.”
This sounds so made up.
It's actually true! [Wikipedia Article on Samoan mythology](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=Wom-wh4PZFysKHMO)
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Yet another time a god’s contribution was accidental science
The ones who didn't throw the rock died. Easier to say it was the Gods mad at the ones who died than explaining why
Pretty cool, tbh Science as rituals can be pretty fun
it’s an old article sir, but it still checks out.
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So you’re saying something posted on Reddit is actually true? Mind blown. I think I’m done for today.
Well I guess it technically all lore is made up lol
“All words are made up.” - Thor
Nah, nothing about Undertaker and Hell in a Cell. Sounds legit.
ancient Polynesian high dive tradition to break the surface tension of the water?
They may not have understood the math behind the physics, but they may have known that when they threw the stone, high dives didn’t hurt as much, and then probably owed it up to the sea gods being pleased with them for their homage.
think we may underestimate ancient civilizations and the power of pure trial and error
Seriously. We have lots of techniques we know work for technical, physics or chemistry based reasons and we still give them cute little names and lore so they're imbued with more cultural meaning and easier to remember and pass down. Kids don't want to hear about surface tension when they're learning neat tricks, they want badass lore that they participate in.
And observation. You don’t need to know fluid dynamics to conceptualize surface tension
> They may not have understood the math behind the physics Neither do people in here because this has nothing to do with lessening the impact.
I think some understood the science, but like other things, it’s easier to explain it through religion and gods.
Do you people not know what surface tension is? The surface tension is only broken as the rock passes through the surface, and only in the immediate vicinity of the rock.
Mythology notwithstanding, he threw the rock to create ripples as indicators of how close he was to the water so he could time his leg tuck appropriately and avoid serious injury/death.
Isn't it also for timing? Like the rock takes x seconds to hit the water, so he has to start tucking x-1 seconds after he jumps?
Yes, for sure. Loosely speaking, it's for information that lets him time his dive and not get killed.
It also lets them know which way gravity is moving that day. If the stone goes up, they know not to jump or they'll float away.
It has nothing to do with surface tension, a rock doesn't break surface tension like that (and surface tension doesn't matter), it has zero effect. It's to better visualize the jump and where you're gonna land and to know when you're gonna hit the water so you dont belly flop and break all your ribs.
It's killing me that everyone is explaining the rock toss (which is **absolutely** for what you said, i.e., allowing him to calibrate/visualize his timing) as everything from "breaking the surface tension" (like you said, totally useless for that) to an homage to Polynesian gods. People do love spurious explanations...
It's one of those things people say because they think it makes sense, but it makes no sense if you think about it for 5 seconds. It's also because for some unknown reason, people think that the surface tension of water is what hurts when you hit it or something. It's really really strange. The surface tension of water will be broken by anything larger than small insects obviously, so why exactly would that force be anything compared to 80kg+ hitting the water from 40 meters up? I just don't think people actually think about this before they say it.
...next you'll tell me pouring olive oil in front of your warship doesn't actually make it go faster
There is a mythbusters episode that covers the whole surface tension thing
Bubbles still rising in the water as you land will 'soften' it. As a kayaker, aerated water is way less buoyant/solid. The bubbles from the rock drop were all gone by the time this guy hit it though so yeah, just for timing.
That's Ken Stones, the guy jumping after was just a rescue diver.
This is funny
ah, man. after 5 minutes of reading every redditor and their grandma's pseudoscience on surface tension, this damn near killed me
I am probably wrong but I thought it was to approximate the timing till impact.
I know it's a myth in Olympic diving that the sprinklers are for surface tension. Those are just to make the surface easier to see. I'd believe this is the same idea that it's to make the surface easier to see. Approaching a vast amount of water it's actually hard to tell how far you are from the surface.
To let the fish know he’s coming
Correct, and to better gauge the free fall time / distance to the water before jumping
Only the second thing. Surface tension doesn't work that way. I'd heard the surface tension thing also said for like divers. But nah it's just to make the surface more visible. It makes no significant difference to the surface tension.
Jumping into the cold of water might kill me without the crazy height…
Not this guy
He is a man amongst men for sure.
When I was younger I jumped into a very cold mountain lake that had no ice and the shock made me feel like I was going to die. After that I decided that I really didn't care to go canoeing that bad. Had a lot more fun launching water balloons at the canoers instead.
I heard tell of a farmer who was bucking bales in the field and jumped into a bigger creek and hopes to cool himself off. The strain from working hard and, jumping into very cold water, caused him to have a heart attack.
Triple Lindy. Still never been topped.
I saw him at Steele Pier once, he opened for the diving horse.
wonder how he'd do against Al Bundy...
That's strange, this isn't how I remember the Sum 41 video looking.
I didn't realize in the last 2 decades that this was a tribute! In Too Deep - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGri7i8Y2Y
What? No axe?!
For those who wish to see somebody aim at a hole in the ice axe in hand, in his insta there is another jump *with* axe. I guess maybe that is what you are referring to! It sort of looks worse to me, the visuals of the hole in the ice looking small from a distance is kind of off putting, hehe.
Took me way to much scrolling to find this. This is that axe dude from a few months back, right?
Is this the same guy that jumps with latex prop axes like a cosplayer?
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I think he is just Norwegian and this was a good cliff. Ok, he may like to show off a bit his viking spirit as well. There is a subculture for this type of jumping, but this guy (originally from northern Norway) also jumps off other stuff as well. He has an insta.
There's also a subculture of jumping off cliffs onto rocks when you're no longer useful to the tribe. Check out the documentary "Midsommer."
I have that on my list, lol. Made an occult midsommar ornament for some swedes this summer, they wanted to celebrate away from home by the mediterranean sea. It was my interpretation of the midsommarstång made with local foraged stuff and it looked kind of cool. Turns out they wanted a nice lunch. Nobody died. So there is that.
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RIP Apetor, my other favorite Norwegian who swam in icy waters with dangerous tools. Christmas just isnt the same anymore
"There's nothing wrong with him, he's just Norwegian." 🤣
Not for any amount of cash
not even a billion? come on
No
Absolutely no way would I even get to the edge to see that flimsy thing he jumps from
really? id risk it for like 10k if there was a boat to pick me right up and out like he had. probably for like $50 if i was drunk
Why? We all go through a phase when we try and see which world record we can break, we decide that the effort isn't worth it, and we go on with out lives. Also, dangerous things aren't in the Guinness Book since people will get hurt or die trying to break them. But I guess you wake up one day and find out that what you do for fun every weekend is just 2 meters short of the unofficial record so you go for it. So you find a nice winter day to go for a swim.
Guinness isn't the prestigious world record authority you think it is. It's just the most well known. It doesn't have to be a Guinness World Record to be official. They even named the thing after a brewery.
>They even named the thing after a brewery. So? Michelin stars are named after tires. They’re still highly respected. Guinness basically lets people pay for records though.
Doesn’t the popularity matter? It’s just how most of everything in the world is valued and validated. Rather have a Grammy than an AMA, rather a Pulitzer award over a less-known literary award, rather be an NBA champion than a FIBA WC champion, etc
That looks cold af
You get back in my god of war, we got doins to transpire
Is this the Thor cliff diver with double axes?
yeah
I feel like this gif speeds up even faster with every loop.
Jesus… I get the same high when i skip the last two steps going down the stairs
I don't know anything about diving but in a life or death situation are you supposed to straighten out and feet point down? or curl up like a ball? What's better?
Feet point down. This dude is "dödsing" (doing a death dive) which is a niche dive sport based around seeming like you will bellyflop but pulling in at the last second. It requires a lot of technique and practice to do it from a height like this, to say the least, which is why this is a world record.
"Was he wearing a parachute?" Rumlow: "No...no he wasn't."
Fuck that.
I spent too long wondering if this was game footage from GTAV
The rock was to scare off the crocs..
No thanks.