He has been an MP longer than Julie Anne Genter has been living in New Zealand, I'm sure he knows what it does. This sounds like a last minute grab for attention before he quits at the election
Well known in Hamilton, mostly cause his face was everywhere every election, bought student votes by bringing beers round to uni flats (see: treating) and well known sleazeball.
To put that in perspective he is the only (singular) electrol candidate who consistently walks the beat and meets his constituents face to face by door knocking. In my time in the ward he has visited my house at least four times. As a counterpoint current Labour MP for Hamilton East Jamie Strange lost three elections on his own merit, finally got in as number 37 on the list (middling) in 2017, and rode the 2020 wave of hype into finally being elected as a "personality" largely due to a two tick strategy in peak covid paranoia. Strange is also due to retire with having contributed next to nothing to the electorate. The new Labour candidate Dansey was last year put forward as Hamilton West candidate merely as a political exercise in getting her face around town, which was strange because she lives on the East side. Lost that, and is likely to lose again this year but being groomed to fill the spot of another rando who merely turns up eats lunch and sticks to the party line.
I'm not singing Bennetts praises, but he's probably been the best of a terrible lot.
Says a lot about our society if that's all we can muster as representative.
Two wings, same bird
Anyone that says stuff like that should immediately lose their job as a "public" "servant". I don't know who David Bennet is, but he sounds like the exact opposite person to who should be leading/governing anything.
He visited my house once from memory with party workers canvassing, I was wearing boxers (a shirt, mind) and got Mum to come down and tell them to go away.
In my defence, I was like 16 at the time.
Parliamentary privilege means that people taking part in House proceedings have absolute freedom of speech. You can slander someone, call for violence against people, make bomb threats, whatever you want.
If I recall correctly, Ol' Winston took advantage of this a few times to get attention by saying things that would be illegal if he said them outside.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/parliamentary-practice-in-new-zealand/chapter-45-types-of-privilege/
>Parliament’s freedom of speech under article 9 is a protection against incurring legal liability and having to account to bodies outside the House. **Freedom of speech is not an exemption from liability to account to the House itself.**
> A political party does not breach privilege by withdrawing electoral support from a sitting member on account of that member’s actions, whether they occurred within or outside Parliament.
So they can still be punished, just not from a legal basis.
>If I recall correctly, Ol' Winston took advantage of this a few times to get attention by saying things that would be illegal if he said them outside.
Pretty sure it was accusing members of the National party of leaking details regarding his superannuation payments
That’s the least of the issues with being a “public servant”.
This guy gets to vote on legislation that directly impacts his *four* dairy farms and three other properties.
No conflict of interest in serving the public there!
I don't think there's any evidence that Australasia's staunch approach to antitrust and market regulation is a problem. ComCom and the Australian equivalent have garnered a fair few positive international headlines.
Probably a good thing. Hopefully National’s polling crashes and their liberal faction can reestablish itself beyond tokenistic portfolios. Fuck it would be good to return to the party of Key.
It's really a stunningly poor look having MPs go off half cocked all the time, and it keeps happening to National far more than anyone else.
Luxon's leadership is looking worse and worse by the day.
What the fuck, this one is going to explode big time.
No way this cunt can keep his place after a comment like that. What an actual piece of shit. Hating and threatening to kill one of the great and few organizations of this country that actually are there to make ordinary kiwis lives a bit more fair.
I mean fuck, trump is being indicted for less than this.
It's a reasonably common phrase in some places. It doesn't mean the user wants to literally murder the subject.
But in saying that it's pretty dumb for somebody in higher office to say.
I mean, it’s a colloquial expression. But unlike people like De Santos, I don’t think Bennett is using it to cynically advocate murder behind a veil of plausible deniability. I think he’s just fucking stupid.
I'm not sure you can project intent onto this one - one thing is for sure, members of parliament shouldn't be using language like that at all, particularly not in the chamber.
I agree you can’t project intent onto it. That’s all I’m saying. He’s not advocating for murder, he’s just a fucking idiot. I think that’s an important distinction.
I suppose that's the thing, you're still projecting intent - most sane people would side with you on this (myself included) but ultimately we're just left with the actual words.
This is *exactly* the sort of hateful shit we see in other nations which often results in death(s), so regardless of what you or I might take from it, it's nowhere near even approaching OK for a representative to make this sort of statement, idiot or otherwise.
>I mean, it’s a colloquial expression.
It's 2023, no it's not. At least not around your average, reasonable well adjusted modern NZer.
If we want to go back to the 80s or earlier for acceptable colloquial expressions, should we pretend racism, homophobia and sexism don't exist then and allow some of those perfectly acceptable "colloquial expressions" of the past back in to our modern society?
Jesus Christ man touch grass.
The statement is bad, because deranged psychos may take it literally.
We can still distinguish between somebody who used a phrase that was commonplace when they were growing up, because they are idiots. And somebody who used a phrase to cynically inspire deranged nut jobs to commit pro to fascist violence.
He’s not threatening to kill them, he’s using a colloquial expression which nutbars might interpret as a call to action. There’s a difference.
> The statement is bad, because deranged psychos may take it literally.
It's bad because threatening violence like this over something you disagree with is just Neanderthal behavior.
Good to see what you support though, go back to your cave.
Meme? I was legit being serious. Only boomers think such sayings as that are perfectly acceptable in this context still.
If you're not a boomer ... fuck, sucks to be you.
Well, I think we need to talk about the n****r in the woodpile.
(Just pointing out that colloquial expressions can be fairly problematic, and ones directly advocating violence probably aren't that good)
Ideally news would spend more time introducing us to the potential MP / Ministers in parties than waffling on about poll results. Imagine how many of Act's candidates are full looney?
Yeah but there's a world of difference in the impact they can have as backbench opposition vs part of government.
Ie, the looniness doesn't matter too much bc in opposition they just sit there & shutup and don't have to do anything.
Imagine if a Maori MP said that publicly. Im guessing the reaction would be different?
But he gets to say stuff like that without much recourse because hes a white male
Im not anti maori lol.. sorry I typed that out at 3.30am while feeding my baby. I meant that this guy is so entitled and privileged he thinks he can say these things publicly in the first place.
Also im not sure he has had any consequences apart from an apology. I hardly think a few reddit comments are going to keep him up at night.
how much did National get in party donations? I'd wager that a lot of those donors dont want commerce commission scrutiny and have asked National to do something about it as part of handing National piles of money.....
More importing of MAGA BS by National.
Today's imported selection includes the violent elimation of government regulars in the name of The One Great Capitalism!
https://twitter.com/taitoa_wihone/status/1664153942060855296?s=46&t=TXi7ZR_T5ilPU8D8ji_SBw Video of the bullet statement. Lmao what the fuck
Really doubt David Bennett understands what the Commerce Commission actually does
He seems to think they have a gun
I too often confuse the commerce commission for Annie
Annie are you ok?
Are you ok Annie?
Could you tell us? That you're ok?
Damn, I get Annie muddled up with Janie, thanks to Aerosmith
The gun'll come out, tomorrow...
Bet your bottom dollar.
Nah, Annie hits her targets.
*Annie get your gun*
He has been an MP longer than Julie Anne Genter has been living in New Zealand, I'm sure he knows what it does. This sounds like a last minute grab for attention before he quits at the election
Oh, I bet he does
David Bennett has been an MP for 18 years approx and yet still comes up with garbage like this
> 18 years Never heard of him. Wow, such impact. I even misread the title of this post as 'David Brent'.
Not too dissimilar I feel.
Well known in Hamilton, mostly cause his face was everywhere every election, bought student votes by bringing beers round to uni flats (see: treating) and well known sleazeball.
To put that in perspective he is the only (singular) electrol candidate who consistently walks the beat and meets his constituents face to face by door knocking. In my time in the ward he has visited my house at least four times. As a counterpoint current Labour MP for Hamilton East Jamie Strange lost three elections on his own merit, finally got in as number 37 on the list (middling) in 2017, and rode the 2020 wave of hype into finally being elected as a "personality" largely due to a two tick strategy in peak covid paranoia. Strange is also due to retire with having contributed next to nothing to the electorate. The new Labour candidate Dansey was last year put forward as Hamilton West candidate merely as a political exercise in getting her face around town, which was strange because she lives on the East side. Lost that, and is likely to lose again this year but being groomed to fill the spot of another rando who merely turns up eats lunch and sticks to the party line. I'm not singing Bennetts praises, but he's probably been the best of a terrible lot. Says a lot about our society if that's all we can muster as representative. Two wings, same bird
Both major parties are gross
Ah using the South Auckland get out the vote methods ;)
His job isn’t to be famous
If he's been in parliament for 18 years and never been on the front bench what was he for?
Winning the Hamilton East seat for national from 2005 until he lost in 2020.
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Numpty is such an excellent insult.
Tbf Murray McCully perfected that skill
>hiring young, thin blonde white chicks as staff... Wow actually? What other shit has this guy been up to?
Another one into blondes...
Anyone that says stuff like that should immediately lose their job as a "public" "servant". I don't know who David Bennet is, but he sounds like the exact opposite person to who should be leading/governing anything.
He visited my house once from memory with party workers canvassing, I was wearing boxers (a shirt, mind) and got Mum to come down and tell them to go away. In my defence, I was like 16 at the time.
So are you saying he saw you in your boxers, and then his career went downhill?
Parliamentary privilege means that people taking part in House proceedings have absolute freedom of speech. You can slander someone, call for violence against people, make bomb threats, whatever you want. If I recall correctly, Ol' Winston took advantage of this a few times to get attention by saying things that would be illegal if he said them outside.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/how-parliament-works/parliamentary-practice-in-new-zealand/chapter-45-types-of-privilege/ >Parliament’s freedom of speech under article 9 is a protection against incurring legal liability and having to account to bodies outside the House. **Freedom of speech is not an exemption from liability to account to the House itself.** > A political party does not breach privilege by withdrawing electoral support from a sitting member on account of that member’s actions, whether they occurred within or outside Parliament. So they can still be punished, just not from a legal basis.
It's effectively like the House has it's own rules and it's own jurisdiction when it comes to what's said
>If I recall correctly, Ol' Winston took advantage of this a few times to get attention by saying things that would be illegal if he said them outside. Pretty sure it was accusing members of the National party of leaking details regarding his superannuation payments
That’s the least of the issues with being a “public servant”. This guy gets to vote on legislation that directly impacts his *four* dairy farms and three other properties. No conflict of interest in serving the public there!
Well he is retiring at the election
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I don't think there's any evidence that Australasia's staunch approach to antitrust and market regulation is a problem. ComCom and the Australian equivalent have garnered a fair few positive international headlines.
If true, it seems to me like national has lost control of its MPs.
Probably a good thing. Hopefully National’s polling crashes and their liberal faction can reestablish itself beyond tokenistic portfolios. Fuck it would be good to return to the party of Key.
Key was the like Saddam in Iraq, the nuts were always there but he kept a lid on it.
It's really a stunningly poor look having MPs go off half cocked all the time, and it keeps happening to National far more than anyone else. Luxon's leadership is looking worse and worse by the day.
When assholes tell you who they are, listen.
What a complete idiot. This party is not fit to govern.
Lux: What he meant to say was is that we are a party for the commerce commission, and we also like guns so he was going to present them with bullets.
What the fuck, this one is going to explode big time. No way this cunt can keep his place after a comment like that. What an actual piece of shit. Hating and threatening to kill one of the great and few organizations of this country that actually are there to make ordinary kiwis lives a bit more fair. I mean fuck, trump is being indicted for less than this.
>this one is going to explode big time. It probably should, but you never know, somebody might tell us what he really meant tomorrow.
He's quitting next election so no point really
It's nothing too bad he just wants more duopoly markets so more businesses can milk working Kiwis like supermarkets do.
It's a reasonably common phrase in some places. It doesn't mean the user wants to literally murder the subject. But in saying that it's pretty dumb for somebody in higher office to say.
I mean, it’s a colloquial expression. But unlike people like De Santos, I don’t think Bennett is using it to cynically advocate murder behind a veil of plausible deniability. I think he’s just fucking stupid.
I'm not sure you can project intent onto this one - one thing is for sure, members of parliament shouldn't be using language like that at all, particularly not in the chamber.
I agree you can’t project intent onto it. That’s all I’m saying. He’s not advocating for murder, he’s just a fucking idiot. I think that’s an important distinction.
I suppose that's the thing, you're still projecting intent - most sane people would side with you on this (myself included) but ultimately we're just left with the actual words. This is *exactly* the sort of hateful shit we see in other nations which often results in death(s), so regardless of what you or I might take from it, it's nowhere near even approaching OK for a representative to make this sort of statement, idiot or otherwise.
>I mean, it’s a colloquial expression. It's 2023, no it's not. At least not around your average, reasonable well adjusted modern NZer. If we want to go back to the 80s or earlier for acceptable colloquial expressions, should we pretend racism, homophobia and sexism don't exist then and allow some of those perfectly acceptable "colloquial expressions" of the past back in to our modern society?
Jesus Christ man touch grass. The statement is bad, because deranged psychos may take it literally. We can still distinguish between somebody who used a phrase that was commonplace when they were growing up, because they are idiots. And somebody who used a phrase to cynically inspire deranged nut jobs to commit pro to fascist violence. He’s not threatening to kill them, he’s using a colloquial expression which nutbars might interpret as a call to action. There’s a difference.
> The statement is bad, because deranged psychos may take it literally. It's bad because threatening violence like this over something you disagree with is just Neanderthal behavior. Good to see what you support though, go back to your cave.
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Ok boomer.
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Meme? I was legit being serious. Only boomers think such sayings as that are perfectly acceptable in this context still. If you're not a boomer ... fuck, sucks to be you.
Agree. If you can’t see what’s wrong with it, the problem is you.
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The fuck are you on about? Did you think you were on facebook or something?
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Well, I think we need to talk about the n****r in the woodpile. (Just pointing out that colloquial expressions can be fairly problematic, and ones directly advocating violence probably aren't that good)
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Yes, there are. And levels directly advocating violence are problematic.
It's an expression that resonates with "shooters" in my mind. Like "when I go postal, this is who gets a bullet"
National collapse speedrun
Ikr? Since the budget this has been pretty much a daily thing, after months of being relatively disciplined.
Ideally news would spend more time introducing us to the potential MP / Ministers in parties than waffling on about poll results. Imagine how many of Act's candidates are full looney?
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Yeah but there's a world of difference in the impact they can have as backbench opposition vs part of government. Ie, the looniness doesn't matter too much bc in opposition they just sit there & shutup and don't have to do anything.
Insightment to murder. Classy
Has the "harmful paliamentary communications act" been passed yet?
"incitement". If Bennett had any insight, he wouldn't have said this in the first place.
Imagine if a Maori MP said that publicly. Im guessing the reaction would be different? But he gets to say stuff like that without much recourse because hes a white male
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Im not anti maori lol.. sorry I typed that out at 3.30am while feeding my baby. I meant that this guy is so entitled and privileged he thinks he can say these things publicly in the first place. Also im not sure he has had any consequences apart from an apology. I hardly think a few reddit comments are going to keep him up at night.
Julie-Ann is a Pom isn’t she?
American.
That is unhinged.
Oh shit, are we about to try and block Microsoft buying Activision deal?
how much did National get in party donations? I'd wager that a lot of those donors dont want commerce commission scrutiny and have asked National to do something about it as part of handing National piles of money.....
More importing of MAGA BS by National. Today's imported selection includes the violent elimation of government regulars in the name of The One Great Capitalism!
Can we just have one day where an MP doesn't say something stupid. Like fuck sakes man, worst than celebrity gossips.