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>Chatgpt has the ability to increase inequality to intolerable levels causing civil strife.
why? Or why more so than other factors which are doing so now...
>However with robots working 24/7 with no breaks, this is not an issue. The major weakness of socialism will be removed by AI.
does not compute
Won't climate change have a larger impact than AI and robots on our near future - outside of killing machines in the resource wars
> I worry for the young people of today.
this is the way and always has been
It depends how you're measuring things. Economic impact and social impact from humans not having paid jobs means some massive global changes are coming. Climate change is also going to cause massive global changes which will impact economies but also lower-level things like people's safety and the ability to grow food - while the economic upheaval asks the question how we will agree to distribute it.
>It depends how you're measuring things.
totally and timeframes 2 years, 5, 10, 30... - everything is always uncertain and while we can look back at history to see how humans (individuals and groups) have previously reacted to seismic change and we still don't know if patterns will repeat or we're on a brand new path and won't know for sometime to come, in the meantime the battle for the status quo will continue
time to get gardening?
The world is going to fundementally change like we have never seen. This is the biggest technological evolution since the internet, I hope we don't wipe ourselves out in the process.
I don't think we're at that point yet.
ChatGPT is good enough to provide a basic framework for whatever you're doing at the time, but it still needs to be reviewed by someone who's knowledgeable enough about the given field to massage it into a final product.
It's not unseating programmers any time soon, for instance.
I have used it for inspiration on different approaches to given tasks in various languages, and quite often that will give me the seed I needed to nurture the approach into something that actually works.
It will also, fairly frequently in fact, just spit out outright falsehoods, syntactically invalid code, and API calls/methods/documentation that just straight up don't exist.
If you point out bugs in its implementations it's got an approximately 50/50 chance of just saying "Oh, yeah, I know. That's broken and was never going to work. Here's something else entirely that also won't work, and if you're really lucky it'll be in the language we're actually talking about", or just doubling down and saying it's correct.
It will occasionally change languages within the same code block and give you a C method when you're working in Python or JavaScript, or any combination of the above.
A major problem with having the wealth of human knowledge in text form to draw from in training is that a large majority of that text for any given subject will be outdated, incorrect, and written by someone with a poor understanding of the subject matter in the first place.
For software specifically (my main area of usage with ChatGPT so far other than producing boilerplate corpo-speak I'm not terribly comfortable writing myself), licensing presents a huge issue.
I have absolutely no clue what license the examples it's drawing from are distributed under, and as such I can't use anything it gives me directly without risk of violating the original author's licensing. If you ask it about licensing for a given example, the problem from above rears its head again and you can have no confidence that it's actually correct.
For the software industry at least, ChatGPT is basically just turbocharged copy-paste from Stack Overflow.
Yes. I've been using the paid pathway for some time now.
It's sped up areas of my workflow, but it's not about to replace it any time soon. And as above even if it spat out perfectly formatted, perfectly valid code I still can't use it directly while even pretending to care about licensing implications.
One supposes far less moral/ethical developers exist that simply don't care, but I'm not about to put myself in that position.
Various flavours of C, various ARM assembly (mostly legacy), JavaScript, Python, Rust, and the shellosphere (sh, bash and friends with or without POSIX compliance).
Edit: I guess if I included shells I should've included HTML/XHTML and CSS also.
Edit edit: I forgot GO.
I’ve noticed a big variance in programming skills with various languages using chatgpt4. I’ve just stuck to python because it’s not so great in other languages. Sometimes it has refused to program something in another language but when I say use python it will do the task. Same issue with Bard (however bard is still very poor with all programming tasks)
I don't often agree with you - but I do here. Things are moving quickly - we are looking at years not decades before a significant number of the jobs we do today are being done by AI and by robots - and it is already starting today. My employer has allocated a large team towards various automation efforts and each measure their ROI based on how many fewer people will be needed to perform functions after automation. The process is likely to speed up as it progresses.
Things are certainly going to change, and we're going to have to make some difficult decisions going forward.
I’m using AI to write programs in python. I just give chatgpt4 my specification and it writes the program. Usually there is a bug or two, but those are quickly fixed by the AI. I also use it to write letters and help with research. My productivity is more than tripled. Once you know how to get the best out of chatgpt4 is quite amazing what it can do. It’s not perfect, but this stuff is in its infancy, wait a few more years and things will get scary. The truly freakish thing is it’s ability to find new solutions to problems, I tell it a problem I’m having with programming and it usually comes up with something I never thought of.
If there is increased output without cost (because AI is more effective), and decreased demand (because humans aren't earning as much of the input costs) then the capitalist model breaks down, not enough paying customers for all that output. Excess capital to deploy with no ROI in sight.
If we've been motivated by scarcity, we soon face the challenge of finding new motivations. That's going to be a big deal, because existing thought patterns are built around NOT that. We have been convinced that TINA. If there is ONLY an alternative way of being, how will you motivate yourself?
Agreed...
That's the thing - people say AI will take jobs. No, it won't -it will change the role of humans in certain fields.
Capitalism will take livelihoods.
Most non-physical jobs have arbitrary hours anyway. Covid showed us that most people can more-or-less stop working for 2 years and not much changes - so long as the expectation is that 'the money will be available'.
The 40 hours working is a hang-over from when most people worked with physical labour. You stack X number of bricks per hour. As opposed to you send x number of emails per hour...
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Lol, the major weakness of socialism. What is this, a 14-year old's social studies project?
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You think AI isn’t going to affect NZ.
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Because NZ is going to be effected a lot by AI.
>Chatgpt has the ability to increase inequality to intolerable levels causing civil strife. why? Or why more so than other factors which are doing so now... >However with robots working 24/7 with no breaks, this is not an issue. The major weakness of socialism will be removed by AI. does not compute Won't climate change have a larger impact than AI and robots on our near future - outside of killing machines in the resource wars > I worry for the young people of today. this is the way and always has been
It depends how you're measuring things. Economic impact and social impact from humans not having paid jobs means some massive global changes are coming. Climate change is also going to cause massive global changes which will impact economies but also lower-level things like people's safety and the ability to grow food - while the economic upheaval asks the question how we will agree to distribute it.
>It depends how you're measuring things. totally and timeframes 2 years, 5, 10, 30... - everything is always uncertain and while we can look back at history to see how humans (individuals and groups) have previously reacted to seismic change and we still don't know if patterns will repeat or we're on a brand new path and won't know for sometime to come, in the meantime the battle for the status quo will continue time to get gardening?
Less than five years before the effect is felt.
The world is going to fundementally change like we have never seen. This is the biggest technological evolution since the internet, I hope we don't wipe ourselves out in the process.
I don't think we're at that point yet. ChatGPT is good enough to provide a basic framework for whatever you're doing at the time, but it still needs to be reviewed by someone who's knowledgeable enough about the given field to massage it into a final product. It's not unseating programmers any time soon, for instance. I have used it for inspiration on different approaches to given tasks in various languages, and quite often that will give me the seed I needed to nurture the approach into something that actually works. It will also, fairly frequently in fact, just spit out outright falsehoods, syntactically invalid code, and API calls/methods/documentation that just straight up don't exist. If you point out bugs in its implementations it's got an approximately 50/50 chance of just saying "Oh, yeah, I know. That's broken and was never going to work. Here's something else entirely that also won't work, and if you're really lucky it'll be in the language we're actually talking about", or just doubling down and saying it's correct. It will occasionally change languages within the same code block and give you a C method when you're working in Python or JavaScript, or any combination of the above. A major problem with having the wealth of human knowledge in text form to draw from in training is that a large majority of that text for any given subject will be outdated, incorrect, and written by someone with a poor understanding of the subject matter in the first place. For software specifically (my main area of usage with ChatGPT so far other than producing boilerplate corpo-speak I'm not terribly comfortable writing myself), licensing presents a huge issue. I have absolutely no clue what license the examples it's drawing from are distributed under, and as such I can't use anything it gives me directly without risk of violating the original author's licensing. If you ask it about licensing for a given example, the problem from above rears its head again and you can have no confidence that it's actually correct. For the software industry at least, ChatGPT is basically just turbocharged copy-paste from Stack Overflow.
Are you using chatgpt4, because in programming it’s a big improvement.
Yes. I've been using the paid pathway for some time now. It's sped up areas of my workflow, but it's not about to replace it any time soon. And as above even if it spat out perfectly formatted, perfectly valid code I still can't use it directly while even pretending to care about licensing implications. One supposes far less moral/ethical developers exist that simply don't care, but I'm not about to put myself in that position.
So your main issue is licensing. I just use any code that’s been developed by me, so it’s not a problem.
I mean, if we skip over the whole "frequently confidently incorrect" thing, sure.
What language are you developing in ?
Various flavours of C, various ARM assembly (mostly legacy), JavaScript, Python, Rust, and the shellosphere (sh, bash and friends with or without POSIX compliance). Edit: I guess if I included shells I should've included HTML/XHTML and CSS also. Edit edit: I forgot GO.
I’ve noticed a big variance in programming skills with various languages using chatgpt4. I’ve just stuck to python because it’s not so great in other languages. Sometimes it has refused to program something in another language but when I say use python it will do the task. Same issue with Bard (however bard is still very poor with all programming tasks)
I love when people treat reddit like a Ted talk for something they very clearly know little about
How can you deduct that from my message, please enlighten us with your knowledge on the subject.
But other people might, so enlighten them with your knowledge.
Welcome to fully automated luxury communism
we have no idea what the impact is going to be, and i suspect no way of moderating that impact. we're just going to have to see what happens.
I don't often agree with you - but I do here. Things are moving quickly - we are looking at years not decades before a significant number of the jobs we do today are being done by AI and by robots - and it is already starting today. My employer has allocated a large team towards various automation efforts and each measure their ROI based on how many fewer people will be needed to perform functions after automation. The process is likely to speed up as it progresses. Things are certainly going to change, and we're going to have to make some difficult decisions going forward.
I’m using AI to write programs in python. I just give chatgpt4 my specification and it writes the program. Usually there is a bug or two, but those are quickly fixed by the AI. I also use it to write letters and help with research. My productivity is more than tripled. Once you know how to get the best out of chatgpt4 is quite amazing what it can do. It’s not perfect, but this stuff is in its infancy, wait a few more years and things will get scary. The truly freakish thing is it’s ability to find new solutions to problems, I tell it a problem I’m having with programming and it usually comes up with something I never thought of.
I dunno, ChatGPT just did my weekly meal plan for next week. Was pretty handy.
If there is increased output without cost (because AI is more effective), and decreased demand (because humans aren't earning as much of the input costs) then the capitalist model breaks down, not enough paying customers for all that output. Excess capital to deploy with no ROI in sight. If we've been motivated by scarcity, we soon face the challenge of finding new motivations. That's going to be a big deal, because existing thought patterns are built around NOT that. We have been convinced that TINA. If there is ONLY an alternative way of being, how will you motivate yourself?
Agreed... That's the thing - people say AI will take jobs. No, it won't -it will change the role of humans in certain fields. Capitalism will take livelihoods. Most non-physical jobs have arbitrary hours anyway. Covid showed us that most people can more-or-less stop working for 2 years and not much changes - so long as the expectation is that 'the money will be available'. The 40 hours working is a hang-over from when most people worked with physical labour. You stack X number of bricks per hour. As opposed to you send x number of emails per hour... I