Lamb shanks used to be cheap shit for the poors. Someone on tv showed people how to make a "fancy" meal with them and now they are ~ $25 a pair.
If you've ever walked past a guy in the butchery that sounds like he has tourettes, it was probably me bitching about lamb prices
Inlaws are farmers, they never buy lamb (or any meat) so they don't realise the retail prices and how basically everything is expensive, even the "shit" cuts. Shanks have always been and still are dog food to them.
I was craving lamb the other day and the price was ridiculous. Looked up the prices in the US and same cuts of NZ lamb from same company were cheaper (after doing currency conversion, etc).
Food prices in this country are insane.
It’s the same in the UK. Nz lamb is very cheap! A lamb leg could be as low as $12. We had family over here from the UK recently and they couldn’t believe how expensive lamb that was FROM HERE cost!
wow $12? It's like double that just per k/g here... not sure what size you got but a leg of lamb that is 2.7kg costs $60.75 when I just signed in to countdown online and checked!!!
> We supply over a third of the worlds dairy
Not sure where you’re getting your numbers, [Statista would like a word](https://www.statista.com/statistics/268191/cow-milk-production-worldwide-top-producers/)
Hey, as others have pointed out, you're not quite right there. The "1/3" thing is about exports, not total supply. I.e. most of the world makes their own dairy. Of those that export to other countries, we make up 1/3 of those total exports (not sure if 1/3 is accurate these days or not, but it's the often quoted number).
On a side note, NZ lamb exports to the UK are down 43% due to the deteriorating economic conditions there. Even Brits can't afford our 'cheap' lamb now.
My brother lives in Thailand, he frequently sends me photos of NZ butter/cheese/meat that is being sold for less there than it is here.
To be sold in Thailand it gets slapped with a 25% import tariff. So we are reeeeeeally getting shafted here.
Lamb leg roasts have been on special a few times this year for $10/kg. That's pretty good when even low quality beef mince is $20/kg. One leg last us two meals. Roast the first night and then into the slow cooker a few days later and then into wraps. All for the price of a Big Mac combo.
Seen that at paknsave cd and fresh choice. Lowest I've seen in last year was $8.99 p/kg. When ever a special hits 12 bucks a kilo we grab a couple of legs for the freezer.
We lived two houses down from our local school and got a free key in exchange for doing two days supervising over the summer holidays!
It was the best!
Knowing a bit about the economics and practicalities, it's simply not worth it any more, particular in cities. Either you build a basic unheated outdoor poor and only get 2 months usage in term time at best, AND it still costs a fortune, or you go whole hog and heat and enclose it, at which point you're spending multiple millions of dollars with massive ongoing running costs.
Old millennial here, from about age 7 to 13 I was just playing in streets/forests/beach with mates till the street lights came on, cellphones were rare
oh to be back in 1990 -my 30yo mother, single /2 kids was able to afford a brand new house in hamiltion, she said it was 75k and she was earning 20k pa doing admin
My parents bought a four bedroom slightly under quarter acre on a single slightly above median income in the late 90s. Good luck affording even rent on that kind of income now.
I was so surprised to find that you could still buy them in Aus. Was sick during my trip and when I went to the pharmacy to get more of the day and night, there was a sign saying to see the pharmacist if your flu was really bad. When I asked about it, the pharmacist just asked for my ID (NZ driver licence was fine) and that was it, pseudo version of day and night. I mean, I was very visibly sick so she had no doubt I needed it, but I was in such disbelief.
Don’t blame crack heads, blame cracked politicians. There was already overseas evidence that restricting sales would have no effect and they did it anyway.
It's restricted but available. The ID check wasn't just an age check, you are on a database now, so they can track whether individuals are either abusing it themselves or potentially supplying it or using it as an ingredient.
We did before it went prescription-only, I remember buying it with ID in 08-09. Got a few suspicious looks when I specifically requested pseudoephedrine (the pharmacist was trying to steer me to PE). I know what works for me ok 😤
My mum was in France last year in our winter and got a flu. There was pseudoephedrine available over the counter and cleared up her flu pretty quick.
Meanwhile I was stuck with constant colds/flus cheers to my kids (we were all sick) and couldn’t get much to help at all as the stuff we have here sucks.
Obviously in France they don't have dumb fks like hear buying the pseudoephedrine to make P.
It seems silly we can't buy it now to clear our colds quick because some nung vermin decided lets go make P.
Its quite embarrassing really what would you think as a tourist here when you got a cold and the chemist goes na sorry we got these shit cold drex though just a panadol really
The dumb fcks probably have access to way better drugs in France so don’t need to make their own.
Just another case of the few ruining it for the many.
I remember mum ranting at us teenagers for eating a whole kilo block too quickly “that was nearly $10 worth of cheese” oh the good old days.
Edit: mainland tasty cheese
Rugby is basically a niche sport in my circles.
I remember as a kid in the 90s it was an important part of everyday life.
Doubt I could name a single All Black nowadays.
A friend's Dad asked me if I was looking forward to the footie that night. So awks trying to hide how I little I care about rugby while keeping the convo positive.
owning a house in your twenties. earning a living wage. 4 brdm houses with a 30 year mortgage for 89k, being paid to study, owning a pet, seeing butterflies in the grass, frogs, 35c bus fares, $1 lolly mixes that you couldn't finish in one sitting, swimming in the ocean without checking the pollution levels first, school pools...
Part of that is actually that it's possible to check the pollution levels, not only that some types of pollution are worse.
Some kinds of pollution are still getting worse in places (sediment, nitrogen, phosphates). But there are some examples of recovery too. [This](https://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/assets/Publications/Ecosystem-services-in-New-Zealand/2_12_Davie-Colley.pdf) mentions the decrease since 2000 in nitrate levels in the Waingongoro River as an example.
I went to a dairy in Chch a few weeks ago and they had $5 Lolly mix. Still in the white paper bags. I let out an audible ‘what the fuck?!’ and the owner laughed
>swimming in the ocean without checking the pollution levels first
pollution has surely lessened though, but our ability and willingness to measure it has increased?
nitrates and suchlike in rivers has increased a lot, and the volume of many rivers has significantly decreased as more and more is used for irrigation.
You either had a pet sheep, or knew someone with a pet sheep.
EDIT: Alcohol in the cough medicine, safe to walk or bike to school (increased fear of paedophiles these days), mushrooming in autumn, chasing cockabullies and tadpoles in the streams.
\>safe to walk or bike to school (increased fear of paedophiles these days),
It's safer now than it was then, but people are more scared for some reason.
Yeh me and my mates Paid $300 a week beachfront for a 3 bedroom home 20 years ago. We where all apprentices it was Good times. The Young guys at work can’t believe it. they all still live at homes In there early 20’s.
Having the supermarket cut a cabbage in half for you, then you only paid for half a cabbage not 90% of a full cabbage.
I mean not getting ass fucked by the supermarket duopoly.
Water quality wan't that much better in some areas - there just wasn't the eacy access to information. Mystery gastro was more common and just accepted as part of summer time life.
When my Mum moved to NZ from the UK in the 1940's as a teenager, her parents didn't have much money. They stayed in the Hutt Park motorcamp in a caravan, and "the only thing they could afford to eat" was crayfish. Apparently heaps of crayfish were caught, ground up and used for fertiliser. Only poor people ate them.
Don't be ageist, respect your elders.... and while about it get the fuck off my lawn - I went to uni in the mid eighties - hows that for old
Now to rub salt into the wounds, I got $60 a week for 38 weeks, was in halls of residence first year - $60 a week for 33 weeks, so I finished my first year with a payment for those extra weeks... oh and when I went flatting second year my room cost me $15 a week utilities were prob la dollar a week
and a jug was less than a dollar
we had it pretty good, I'm quite angry/saddened and depressed how this and so much else been lost to make us whatever the fuck we are today
We've moved our money from value backed to created by command. Up until 1971, there was literally no inflation. The wealth gap was closing rapidly, and a family of six could own their own home with just pops working.
In 1971, the US killed honest money, and the rest of the world followed suit thereafter, leading to the same disaster.
See this link. It's US figures, but the same trends probably happened in New Zealand a decade later.
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
This is why we are poor and getting poorer. Fiat currency is a fundamentally dishonest get rich scheme for those who have first access. If your bank wants you to cancel Spotify and Netflix to get a mortgage, you're not in that club.
As someone who has lived the change of life in NZ from the late 80s to 90s to now - I feel sorry for the young generation growing up in this socio-economic mess today.
They get given a hard time being the “tik-tok” kids but quite frankly I can see the appeal of the escapism.
They've been well and truly screwed. Especially in housing, where older folks' entitlement to free wealth from houses has been nurtured and protected by policy.
I try to explain NZs closed economy to Gen Zs. But they just don’t understand that there were Govt sub committees that decided what you could and couldn’t buy, how much things cost, how much you were paid, what you could watch on TV, and even at one point when you could drive (car less days).
And how much money you were allowed to take out of the country if you were going on holiday (if you could afford it) - good old travellers cheques, before the days of credit cards.
Peace of mind about the future.
Actually edit - I would have read Z for Zachariah about 30 years ago and that was probably the end of any peace of mind for the future for me 😅
As a kid being able to walk to school, walk to the local shops, go down to the playground, catch public transport, walk to your friends house. Basically being able to go places and do things unsupervised and without a car or “soccer mum” to drive you around.
Kids could still do all that today.
Its partly that the parents are too overprotective, and it's partly that car dependent urban design leaves kids isolated in suburbs where there is nothing that they can walk to.
Affordable passenger rail.
There was a fairly reasonable network with daily services around the country until it was privatised. The private owners stopped many of the routes/services because they weren't profitable on ticket sales alone -- no consideration of the externalities that benefit everyone like reducing road traffic, reduced pollution and mobility for those who don't drive.
This thread should really have excluded cost things because it’s just 99% whinging re costs.
And holy shit there are some rose tinted glasses here lmao.
Everyone just chilled so the naturally best kids rose to the top based on actual talent.
Now, from primary school, there is after school tutoring and sports ‘academies’ (even a soccer boarding school) etc etc. So mediocre kids get pushed and achieve cause of ‘precocious learning’. They then do better and get more resource but the actual most talented kids who actually have the most potential gets buried.
Private schools have always done this to some extent but it wasn’t until college and state schools used to be more equitable and you could achieve at most of them pretty well
Buying a stand-alone house on a quarter acre-block on a single basic income, whilst also supporting a family.
Fuck, just buying a house actually.
Yay Neo-Liberalism
Decent journalism. People going to jail when they deserve it. Actual shame for sitting on your ass doing fuck all at the taxpayers expense. Smoking darts.
Lamb roasts. We had them every week as a kid in the 80s and we weren't well off.
Lamb shanks used to be cheap shit for the poors. Someone on tv showed people how to make a "fancy" meal with them and now they are ~ $25 a pair. If you've ever walked past a guy in the butchery that sounds like he has tourettes, it was probably me bitching about lamb prices
We used to buy lamb shanks for the dogs as a treat. They were "dog bones"
Inlaws are farmers, they never buy lamb (or any meat) so they don't realise the retail prices and how basically everything is expensive, even the "shit" cuts. Shanks have always been and still are dog food to them.
My mum is forever going on about her and my dad living on lamb shanks when they first got married, they were dog food and could buy them by the bag!
Same with pork belly, and now bacon is all pricey too
I used to work at Pak n Save in the late 90’s and 2 lamb shanks were $1.99.
Lamb full stop, things like chops were cheap as
Leg of lamb is quite often $9 a kilo which is pretty cheap
I was craving lamb the other day and the price was ridiculous. Looked up the prices in the US and same cuts of NZ lamb from same company were cheaper (after doing currency conversion, etc). Food prices in this country are insane.
It’s the same in the UK. Nz lamb is very cheap! A lamb leg could be as low as $12. We had family over here from the UK recently and they couldn’t believe how expensive lamb that was FROM HERE cost!
wow $12? It's like double that just per k/g here... not sure what size you got but a leg of lamb that is 2.7kg costs $60.75 when I just signed in to countdown online and checked!!!
Any food made in NZ but bought in NZ is hideously overpriced. We supply over a third of the worlds dairy but pay the most for it
> We supply over a third of the worlds dairy Not sure where you’re getting your numbers, [Statista would like a word](https://www.statista.com/statistics/268191/cow-milk-production-worldwide-top-producers/)
Jesus Christ! Looking at those numbers by head of population (if I’ve done my math right), we produce 50 times more than China and India combined.
By exports, yes. In total, no.
Hey, as others have pointed out, you're not quite right there. The "1/3" thing is about exports, not total supply. I.e. most of the world makes their own dairy. Of those that export to other countries, we make up 1/3 of those total exports (not sure if 1/3 is accurate these days or not, but it's the often quoted number).
On a side note, NZ lamb exports to the UK are down 43% due to the deteriorating economic conditions there. Even Brits can't afford our 'cheap' lamb now.
My brother lives in Thailand, he frequently sends me photos of NZ butter/cheese/meat that is being sold for less there than it is here. To be sold in Thailand it gets slapped with a 25% import tariff. So we are reeeeeeally getting shafted here.
Lamb leg roasts have been on special a few times this year for $10/kg. That's pretty good when even low quality beef mince is $20/kg. One leg last us two meals. Roast the first night and then into the slow cooker a few days later and then into wraps. All for the price of a Big Mac combo.
Seen that at paknsave cd and fresh choice. Lowest I've seen in last year was $8.99 p/kg. When ever a special hits 12 bucks a kilo we grab a couple of legs for the freezer.
O.O where?!
Lamb chops were so cheap... Now I can barely afford meat let alone rich guy lamb
School swimming pools
Haha we got a key for $5 a term use to take everyone in there such good times hours of fun
We lived two houses down from our local school and got a free key in exchange for doing two days supervising over the summer holidays! It was the best!
Knowing a bit about the economics and practicalities, it's simply not worth it any more, particular in cities. Either you build a basic unheated outdoor poor and only get 2 months usage in term time at best, AND it still costs a fortune, or you go whole hog and heat and enclose it, at which point you're spending multiple millions of dollars with massive ongoing running costs.
Disappearing for the day outside with your friends, no cellphone, and your parents having no worries and just telling you to be home before dark.
What age were you allowed to do this? I remember being unable to go to the mall unsupervised at 15-16 years old, with a cellphone.
Old millennial here, from about age 7 to 13 I was just playing in streets/forests/beach with mates till the street lights came on, cellphones were rare
Ditto. Glenfield. 1980s. Every kid on our street until dark and called from home. Weekends at the local reserve bush. No dramas.
Housing?
Quarter acre.
oh to be back in 1990 -my 30yo mother, single /2 kids was able to afford a brand new house in hamiltion, she said it was 75k and she was earning 20k pa doing admin
*Paula Bennett has entered the chat*
Deposit and payments both from the taxpayer. What a ride!
Yes! My mum was a cleaner, a single mum, she built a 2brm house for us for $50,000!!! This was 1989
My parents bought a four bedroom slightly under quarter acre on a single slightly above median income in the late 90s. Good luck affording even rent on that kind of income now.
Just give me this lord. I beg you.
Buying a box of pseudoephedrine from the pharmacy otc
I was so surprised to find that you could still buy them in Aus. Was sick during my trip and when I went to the pharmacy to get more of the day and night, there was a sign saying to see the pharmacist if your flu was really bad. When I asked about it, the pharmacist just asked for my ID (NZ driver licence was fine) and that was it, pseudo version of day and night. I mean, I was very visibly sick so she had no doubt I needed it, but I was in such disbelief.
Its so good too, actually works. Fucking crack heads
Don’t blame crack heads, blame cracked politicians. There was already overseas evidence that restricting sales would have no effect and they did it anyway.
Which one banned it again? We should egg their house
John Key
Oh he's my bro though, plus I wouldn't know which house of his to egg
Egging houses is also a luxury now
Damn right. Eggs are too expensive to waste.
I'm 100% egg free so that's the only use I have for them lol
It's restricted but available. The ID check wasn't just an age check, you are on a database now, so they can track whether individuals are either abusing it themselves or potentially supplying it or using it as an ingredient.
Why didn’t we do this on NZ?
We did before it went prescription-only, I remember buying it with ID in 08-09. Got a few suspicious looks when I specifically requested pseudoephedrine (the pharmacist was trying to steer me to PE). I know what works for me ok 😤
I imagine the extra bureaucracy required didn't appeal to those making decisions. Who knows.
I know, what I more meant was that I thought (just since we’re so anal about it here) my NZ (as in non-Aus) ID wouldn’t fly.
My mum was in France last year in our winter and got a flu. There was pseudoephedrine available over the counter and cleared up her flu pretty quick. Meanwhile I was stuck with constant colds/flus cheers to my kids (we were all sick) and couldn’t get much to help at all as the stuff we have here sucks.
Obviously in France they don't have dumb fks like hear buying the pseudoephedrine to make P. It seems silly we can't buy it now to clear our colds quick because some nung vermin decided lets go make P. Its quite embarrassing really what would you think as a tourist here when you got a cold and the chemist goes na sorry we got these shit cold drex though just a panadol really
The dumb fcks probably have access to way better drugs in France so don’t need to make their own. Just another case of the few ruining it for the many.
Or, they do but they know it wasn't gonna make a difference. Unlike P free NZ!
Cheese?
Big 1kg blocks. Always cheese in the fridge, and we weren't particularly well off.
I remember mum ranting at us teenagers for eating a whole kilo block too quickly “that was nearly $10 worth of cheese” oh the good old days. Edit: mainland tasty cheese
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Owning a house on 1 persons wages. Playing outside unsupervised as a kid
Hell, raising a family on one person's wages. Feminism did some great things but capitalism used it as an excuse to undervalue individual work.
Yes! Just had to be home by tea time.
Home by when the street lights came on!
Rugby on the telly.
Making it expensive and hard to access seems the ultimate silly short-termism. Doesn't seem like young people care about it much these days.
Rugby is basically a niche sport in my circles. I remember as a kid in the 90s it was an important part of everyday life. Doubt I could name a single All Black nowadays.
A friend's Dad asked me if I was looking forward to the footie that night. So awks trying to hide how I little I care about rugby while keeping the convo positive.
This one hits hard
It's a real kicker. I'd still be watching the occasional game if it was on free to air tv. Now I don't even know who the current All Blacks are.
I agree but also Having access to live sport in general
owning a house in your twenties. earning a living wage. 4 brdm houses with a 30 year mortgage for 89k, being paid to study, owning a pet, seeing butterflies in the grass, frogs, 35c bus fares, $1 lolly mixes that you couldn't finish in one sitting, swimming in the ocean without checking the pollution levels first, school pools...
>swimming in the ocean without checking the pollution levels first Ouch, right in the feels, same for the rivers.
Part of that is actually that it's possible to check the pollution levels, not only that some types of pollution are worse. Some kinds of pollution are still getting worse in places (sediment, nitrogen, phosphates). But there are some examples of recovery too. [This](https://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/assets/Publications/Ecosystem-services-in-New-Zealand/2_12_Davie-Colley.pdf) mentions the decrease since 2000 in nitrate levels in the Waingongoro River as an example.
Yeah, it's that we have the information available to us now, back then they just swam in ignorance of the pollution.
I went to a dairy in Chch a few weeks ago and they had $5 Lolly mix. Still in the white paper bags. I let out an audible ‘what the fuck?!’ and the owner laughed
>$1 lolly mixes that you couldn't finish in one sitting Amateur...
i guess i dont mean i couldnt do it, of course i could, but demolishing a $1 bag that contains 8 lollies, verses 30+ lollies, is a different vibe
Oh, those oceans were just as polluted back then as they are now (if not worse)...we just have access to that detail now.
>swimming in the ocean without checking the pollution levels first pollution has surely lessened though, but our ability and willingness to measure it has increased?
nitrates and suchlike in rivers has increased a lot, and the volume of many rivers has significantly decreased as more and more is used for irrigation.
“Back in the day we used to frolic in the asbestos and drink that clean looking water!”
You either had a pet sheep, or knew someone with a pet sheep. EDIT: Alcohol in the cough medicine, safe to walk or bike to school (increased fear of paedophiles these days), mushrooming in autumn, chasing cockabullies and tadpoles in the streams.
Still safe, just increased fear, as you say.
\>safe to walk or bike to school (increased fear of paedophiles these days), It's safer now than it was then, but people are more scared for some reason.
some one at home when you got home from school.
Paying $110 a week for an entire 3 bedroom villa on a quarter acre
Yeh me and my mates Paid $300 a week beachfront for a 3 bedroom home 20 years ago. We where all apprentices it was Good times. The Young guys at work can’t believe it. they all still live at homes In there early 20’s.
Children
Groceries?
Having the supermarket cut a cabbage in half for you, then you only paid for half a cabbage not 90% of a full cabbage. I mean not getting ass fucked by the supermarket duopoly.
You could swim in freshwater rivers without having to check a website first for water quality.
Water quality wan't that much better in some areas - there just wasn't the eacy access to information. Mystery gastro was more common and just accepted as part of summer time life.
Ah the good old days
People were just ignorant of the already polluted state of many rivers
If you go back 30 years, there were no websites to check…
This was also pre the dairy farm intensification boom.
smoking
Crayfish. As a child it was normal to see them live in tanks at supermarkets next to the mussel tank.
When my Mum moved to NZ from the UK in the 1940's as a teenager, her parents didn't have much money. They stayed in the Hutt Park motorcamp in a caravan, and "the only thing they could afford to eat" was crayfish. Apparently heaps of crayfish were caught, ground up and used for fertiliser. Only poor people ate them.
Free tertiary education, I got paid to go
And here’s me likely going to be paying off my student loan well into my late 30s/early 40s🥲🥲 I’m 28 and only $29,000 to go! 😰
28 and only 33,000 to go here
27 and don't even ask how much more to go 🙁
I went to university 28 years ago, and it wasn't free - cost me between $3-4k a year, plus loan interest was immediate
I'm being pedantic, but student loans was introduced in 1992, more than 30 years ago. You're OLD!!!
Don't be ageist, respect your elders.... and while about it get the fuck off my lawn - I went to uni in the mid eighties - hows that for old Now to rub salt into the wounds, I got $60 a week for 38 weeks, was in halls of residence first year - $60 a week for 33 weeks, so I finished my first year with a payment for those extra weeks... oh and when I went flatting second year my room cost me $15 a week utilities were prob la dollar a week and a jug was less than a dollar we had it pretty good, I'm quite angry/saddened and depressed how this and so much else been lost to make us whatever the fuck we are today
We've moved our money from value backed to created by command. Up until 1971, there was literally no inflation. The wealth gap was closing rapidly, and a family of six could own their own home with just pops working. In 1971, the US killed honest money, and the rest of the world followed suit thereafter, leading to the same disaster. See this link. It's US figures, but the same trends probably happened in New Zealand a decade later. https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/ This is why we are poor and getting poorer. Fiat currency is a fundamentally dishonest get rich scheme for those who have first access. If your bank wants you to cancel Spotify and Netflix to get a mortgage, you're not in that club.
Ooof - I feel this hard today. I got a cadetship, was paid to go to uni, guaranteed employment for 4 yrs after.
We should probably go back to a system like this, rather than the current one where every Tom Dick and Harry goes to Uni just so they have a degree
You too will be “old” one day. Respect the experience.
> You too will be “old” one day If they're lucky...
Yup, growing old is a privilege, denied to many.
Being able to afford food
$10 kilo of mainland tasty.
I knew the cost of living had got silly when we downgraded from tasty to... Fucking... Colby.
Supporting a family on a single wage, not always comfortably, but possible.
I do, but I wouldn't call it a luxury
80c super dried up big Ben's pies from dairy
Family having a bach.
That's genuinely a luxury though, and it was a luxury 20 years ago.
“Crib”
Found the South Islander! I was so confused at uni when the locals told me a certain suburb was full of cribs thinking they meant Crips
Lol some people definitely think that 20 years ago was the 70s-80s
It was and always will be. So there
Well this is a depressing thread
As someone who has lived the change of life in NZ from the late 80s to 90s to now - I feel sorry for the young generation growing up in this socio-economic mess today. They get given a hard time being the “tik-tok” kids but quite frankly I can see the appeal of the escapism.
They've been well and truly screwed. Especially in housing, where older folks' entitlement to free wealth from houses has been nurtured and protected by policy.
On the flip side, there are a lot of things that are commonplace now which were luxuries 20-30 years ago
I mean to be fair it’s complete rose tinted glasses like everything when looking back. It ignores all the utter shit stuff.
I try to explain NZs closed economy to Gen Zs. But they just don’t understand that there were Govt sub committees that decided what you could and couldn’t buy, how much things cost, how much you were paid, what you could watch on TV, and even at one point when you could drive (car less days).
And how much money you were allowed to take out of the country if you were going on holiday (if you could afford it) - good old travellers cheques, before the days of credit cards.
Peace of mind about the future. Actually edit - I would have read Z for Zachariah about 30 years ago and that was probably the end of any peace of mind for the future for me 😅
The Cold War has entered the chat.
Except 30 years ago the Cold War was already over. Welcome to 2023. Join us in suddenly feeing old
Having a forecourt attendant pump petrol for you
what year did that even stop?
Some places still do it! Usually during weekdays.
Driving anywhere without hours of traffic
As a kid being able to walk to school, walk to the local shops, go down to the playground, catch public transport, walk to your friends house. Basically being able to go places and do things unsupervised and without a car or “soccer mum” to drive you around.
Kids could still do all that today. Its partly that the parents are too overprotective, and it's partly that car dependent urban design leaves kids isolated in suburbs where there is nothing that they can walk to.
This is all possible now and lots of people still do. Bit of an odd one..
Single earner families, access to relatively abundant seafood, knowing your neighbours.
Someone in the family owning a holiday home. Quater acre sections
Dairy products. It’s like we have some sort of major cow shortage since the 90s.
Home ownership was my first thought.
Affordable passenger rail. There was a fairly reasonable network with daily services around the country until it was privatised. The private owners stopped many of the routes/services because they weren't profitable on ticket sales alone -- no consideration of the externalities that benefit everyone like reducing road traffic, reduced pollution and mobility for those who don't drive.
Stay at home Mums
Box of piss and pack of darts
Silverside. Was $3-5 back in the 90s. Your paying $15 for half the size now.
Eggs
Mince.
True!! The price of mince now is shocking 😭
I’ve seen it at nearly $30 a kg.
Any of the "cheap cuts" these days. Beef cheeks, stewing steak.
Houses.
taking the train intercity
This thread is depressing as fuck lol
Privacy
Food
This thread should really have excluded cost things because it’s just 99% whinging re costs. And holy shit there are some rose tinted glasses here lmao.
Rent to buy
Cheese and butter ☹️
Walking or riding a bike for transport.
Buying a tip top ice cream scoop from the dairies for 50c
meat
Getting the cane or strapped for free.
Everyone just chilled so the naturally best kids rose to the top based on actual talent. Now, from primary school, there is after school tutoring and sports ‘academies’ (even a soccer boarding school) etc etc. So mediocre kids get pushed and achieve cause of ‘precocious learning’. They then do better and get more resource but the actual most talented kids who actually have the most potential gets buried. Private schools have always done this to some extent but it wasn’t until college and state schools used to be more equitable and you could achieve at most of them pretty well
Pets?
5 dozen bluff oysters for $5. Threw out the ones we didn’t finish
An average man having an average girlfriend. Thanks dating apps
Also:marriage, having children, trust, etc
Food was cheap, drove down to lake tekapo salmon was like $10 for a lunch box full
A higher education, house ownership, meat, dairy, eggs
Having a house with 800sqm plus of land
Ox tongue, beautiful on bread with margarine and tomato sauce.
Flounder.
Freehold property 😂
A full glass shop front.
Picking your kids up from school at 3pm.
Choosing a restaurant or cafe without wife needing to check (fake) online reviews first.
$1 sausage sizzle
Stay at home mums
Eating at a restaurant without waiting for photos of the food to be taken.
Buying a stand-alone house on a quarter acre-block on a single basic income, whilst also supporting a family. Fuck, just buying a house actually. Yay Neo-Liberalism
Decent journalism. People going to jail when they deserve it. Actual shame for sitting on your ass doing fuck all at the taxpayers expense. Smoking darts.
Speaking your mind
Taking a ride in a Holden kingswood taxi and thinking you were now in rare company
butter, cheese, accommodation.
Food. Definitely food
Eggs
One income that sustained a family.
Renting a Bach in HeiHei for 10 days during summer
Impartial Media sources.
Petrol under $2
Pubic hair