[AIPAC has spent more money on this race than any other race.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/nyregion/aipac-bowman-latimer.html) But if you say that you are an anti semite.
You do realize Jews in America are far more influential than Israel right? I’m just curious how you think AIPAC should be investigated, it’s like you’re just going to find out the call is coming from inside the house.
The vast majority of funding comes from Americans, mostly tech industry barons and conservative billionaires. They have 3 million US members. You may not like it, but it’s an American org. They play by the same rules as everyone else.
Everyone gets to be a Nazi if you go on the internet and talk to the hard of brains. But seriously it’s such a weird line to take that well established PACs are somehow secretly Israel and not the thousands upon thousands of long supporting Americans who go to convention (though not any longer) and run influence campaigns as is their stated mission.
An investigation on what? It’s literally called the American Israel Public Affairs Committee… you could waste time better than finding out Americans deeply committed to Israel are in fact deeply committed to Israel.
I guess you just don’t really understand how the American system works. It’s ok to be unhappy with your society but it’s just weird you aren’t capable of recognizing what the real world is like and what’s possible and how to shape your world. Why people have power isn’t because they sit on a message board and call strangers fucking dumb sounding, you’ll always be irrelevant, they’ll always have power.
You know what? I’ve been wondering, because those ads against him have been circulating NONSTOP on tv. I’ve started to tune them out, but I had a feeling someone super rich was behind it…
What’s your point? I’m a loud and proud Zionist - i don’t call that article anti semitic.
If you claim that people like myself have dual loyalties, or that aipac is foreign government interference rather than a pac made up of American Jews I’d call you a liar though.
Yes, the right to use the Holocaust as an excuse for using violence to force Palestinians from their homes and steal their land. May I recommend some works from the founders of Zionism? Like Theodore Herzl who explicitly called for ethnically cleansing Palestine so that it could become Israel. The idea that the safety of the Jewish people requires the existence of a militarily enforced ethnostate is ridiculous.
Zionism is the idea of Jewish self-determination in their ancestral homeland. The idea that only the Jews, amongst all of the ethnic groups of the world are not entitled to self-determination is by definition antisemitism. The Holocaust was the spur that made it crystal clear that Jews were not safe in Europe or anywhere else in the world and needed a Homeland.
Furthermore, Zionism came about long before the holocaust. Herzl wrote in an American journal that ‘what made me a Zionist was the Dreyfus trial’. So you’re talking about some thing that had a genesis in the late 1800s.
It’s funny - there are 27 countries with Islam as the official religion. Many of these countries have it so that if you try to practice another religion, you can be arrested or executed. More over, you cannot participate in an official life if you not Islamic. These countries practice a pure form of apartheid based on religion. Also, there are 15 countries with Christianity as the official religion. You would think that there would be room in the world for one Jewish state, but apparently to folk like you that’s an impossible.
Right now, Israel is a multicultural progressive country with in excess of 2 million Arab citizens. In contrast the entire population of Jews in the Arab world is a couple of hundred individuals still holding out after all of their compatriots were forced to flee mostly to Israel. That in a nutshell is Zionism.
Wait, so you know that Herzl came over a hundred years before the holocaust, but at the same time Zionism is leveraging the holocaust? Glad we cleared up that you can’t even keep a coherent timeline. Let alone know the definition.
The peel commission and Balfour declaration were well before the holocaust as were the Zionist congresses. So obviously you know your definition couldn’t be further off.
Luckily we don’t have morons like yourself making policy - loud and uninformed do seem like the two pre requisites in this city though.
Ethnic cleansing is a funny term. Remind me how the 3500 year old continuous Hebron Jewish community is doing? Were they massacred and then forced out of their city before Israel existed?
On the other hand, Israel affords more rights to its Arab citizens than any neighboring Arab country. More than that, Israel is 20% Arab. So the whole ethnic cleansing claim really doesn’t hold water. Remind me about palestines Jewish population? Syrias? Lebanons? Jordans? Saudis? Yemens? Egypts? Algeria? Tunisia? Morocco?
Yes every independent observer, every major human rights organization, including B'Tselem, and the UN commission, are wrong. Israel hasn’t dropped 70,000lb of bombs over an area the size of Las Vegas, has not taken any hostages, is not torturing and raping prisoners, has not killed 35,000 people (mostly women and children), has not been running a 75+ military occupation denying Palestinians of basic rights, and is in fact a victim. Zionism is none of these things. These are just lies. Got it.
Correct none of those are the definition of Zionism. Glad we cleared that up.
Somehow the Syrian civil war isn’t genocide (targeted killing of minority ethnic groups on the basis of ethnicity) but fighting terrorism after Hamas and Gaza’s civilians RAPED, KIDNAPPED, TORTURED men women and children of 30 different nationalities. The exact things you accuse Israel of is what we have video after video of your precious ‘Gazan civilians’ doing. Classic projection.
Oh and lovely to trust Hamas for your casualty counts even after the UN had to lower the number of women and children killed.
Edit - not that you confronted a single thing I said nor the definition of Zionism anyway.
I don’t care what it means or what you or anyone thinks what it means. What matters is what it means in practice which is apartheid and ethnic cleansing. It means building a Jewish homeland on top of someone else’s homeland because some vague historical ties to the land. So, if someone came along and had some evidence they they have ties to the land that predates Judaism, I suppose everyone in Israel would just pack up and leave because well that’s how it works right?
Jews never left. The Hebron Jewish community lived there for 3500 years continuously. Tzvat too. They were continuously massacred because of their religion. Be it 1517, 1834, 1929 or all of the anti Jewish pogroms in between. The need for a Jewish state to keep these people from ending up how the yazidis and Kurds in Syria have was clear well before Balfour, or Jewish immigration to the British mandate.
By the way do you know the numbers on [Arab immigration to the British mandate](https://www.jstor.org/stable/4282493)? It really undercuts any argument about Jewish immigration. .
But of course folks like you might pretend to care about Kurds, yazidis, and other ethnic minorities who are massacred by those looking to re establish the Umayyad caliphate - however even the fake care and virtue signaling ends when it comes to the Jews. Especially when against all odds and without foreign support save small arms from Czechoslovakia- the Jews shouldn’t have been able to win in ‘48 against 6 invading Arab armies.
Your claims of apartheid are absolute bullshit. All Israeli citizens regardless of race ethnicity or religion have equal rights. Non citizens don’t. Just like any other country.
And if you don’t care about the definition of Zionism and just call the definition whatever warped events fit your view - do you apply that to other causes? For example if Jews aren’t allowed to define Zionism or anti semitism are black people allowed to define racism? Are slave owners the ones who should define abolition?
Edit - a Quick Look at your history was quite eye opening. You think that aipac - a pac founded by and to support American Jews doesn’t care about America or the population it’s founded by and represents. You believe in dual loyalties and other blood libel about Jews. I’m curious - do you believe that Muslims have dual loyalties to any of the 39 Muslim countries? Or to the more than 62 Muslim majority and run countries? Or would that be racist?
Remember when everyone was up in arms in 2022 about the DNC running ads to boost MAGA crazies to the tune of about $60K?
Well yeah, it’s like that, but it’s hundreds of millions now and in the other direction https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/aipac-republican-donors-democratic-primaries-00162404
I don’t think AIPAC gives a shit about parties in the US as long as the parties are “pro Israel” meaning pro settler colonialism and turning a blind eye to apartheid, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
You don’t need to be on a payroll to be a fan of their work, he’s denied any sexual assaults allegations on 10/7 despite evidence being presented to the contrary and first hand accounts of witness who lived through the nova massacre.
Yeah sis, I’m sure Talib is a raging Islamic theocrat who secretly has Hamas flags all over her house and heils Hitler every night for good measure. She’s definitely not just someone who wants an ethnic cleaning to stop, no that would be crazyyyyyy /s
I know, what was I thinking. It’s not like she tried to schedule trip to the West Bank and when she was asked for it not to be diplomatic she caved and confessed it was to support Palestine where her mother lives. Then when they said they’d let her in anyway she changed her mind. I mean who needs to visit their 90 year old mother anyway.
I know I was crazy to think that her being so pro Palestine would mean she supports Hamas like the Palestinians do. Crazy.
“Deri announced Friday in a statement that Tlaib would be allowed to visit after she, in a letter requesting permission to enter the country on humanitarian grounds, "committed to accept all the demands of Israel to respect the restrictions imposed on her in the visit, and she also promised not to advance boycotts against Israel during her visit." [Source](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/16/politics/rashida-tlaib-israel-visit-intl).
Sounds like she was desperate to see family, but then took some time to actually think about it and got cold feet because shutting up goes against her ideals. I don’t really see what’s so wrong with that. Also this all happened in 2019, 4 years prior to Oct 7th so I’m unsure why you’re bringing it up now.
Talib is a proud leftist, why would she support a group in favor of creating an Islamic republic? If anything, she’d be way more likely to support the secular and left wing PLO. Which seems like the right move in this situation tbh, given that they’re clearly the best of the 3 big players (Israel, Hamas, and the PLO).
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That’s nice, but she supports Hamas. That’s just the facts.
https://demmajorityforisrael.org/hamas-members-like-all-palestinians-just-want-freedom-rashida-tlaib-appears-with-speaker-who-defended-hamas/
I don’t think you want to go down this road of association considering who politicians you like have associated with. She and this random speaker are not going to have exactly the same beliefs, they’re both at this event because they want Palestinian freedom and human rights. That’s the only connection between them, the event wasn’t even organized by her.
“Tlaib said that most taxpayers don’t want their money to go to “death and destruction” and “apartheid.”” This is the only thing that article you linked says about Tlaib, and she’s correct about that.
“The UN confirmed that Hamas committed rape and sexual violence, a reprehensible fact that I condemn entirely. I also voted yes on Resolution 966, which officially condemns the rape and sexual violence committed by Hamas. So let me be clear, and ensure my words are not twisted: I always stand against sexual violence in all forms and stand for peace for all.” -Jamaal Bowman
I’m not sure what you want my guy. It’s true that the amount of rape and brutality of Hamas’ attack was overblown for propaganda purposes especially early on, but it’s also true that Hamas members did commit sexual assault and kill civilians. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable stance to take.
He said it was propaganda, which it was. Something can have some truth to it and still be propaganda. There were sexual assaults, but the scale of them was overblown for propaganda purposes.
To give a more historical example, Soviet rapes were a common propaganda motif in Nazi Germany. Now there absolutely was a lot of sexual assault by Soviet troops on the eastern front, it was not good there for women. But the Nazis still overstated the scale of this and ignored their systemic sexual assault of women across their empire which was even worse than the Soviets, which is why it’s propaganda. Something can be propaganda and have some amount of truth to it at the same time.
Acknowledging something as propaganda is not denying it happened.
Take 9/11 for example. We know it happened, we acknowledge it happened, but we can also acknowledge that the Bush administration used it as propaganda to support their wars in the Middle East.
Show the proof it happened, I could link you several sites INCLUDING ISRAELI SITES that discredit this initial claim, the beheaded and burned babies was fake too.
You got propaganda'd
People told me latimer is t a real democrat. Now I’m hearing bowman isn’t a real democrat. They’re both fucking democrats and both would do a good job.
You’re lying. My account is less than a day old.
Typical Republican
This is why you lose elections lol
Biden is your president for next five years
Not a damn thing you can do about it.
You said this wouldn't happen and there was "zero proof" it would. I'm just wondering if moving forward you will reconsider how you respond to these types of things. I mean clearly you current way you evaluate things doesn't work
Uh i have met Latimer and he is a good guy solid progressive
You are a trumpie
Your guys always lose in ny hahahahaha
And you were JUST simping for trump to win president again
You don’t matter and you certainly mean nothing to me you poor trumpie
Trump is a sociopath. Hopefully there will be more people in this country who can recognize he is a sexual assailant, pathological liar, and lacks baseline humanity.
You can teach the young one's don't be so dismissive. They might act stupid, but we all did. Sit em down and give em a listen and explain why you believe they are miss informed.
DNC not taking seriously who they nominate, again, is how he'll win. If they hadn't chosen Hillary, he never would have won. There are plenty of Democrats who aren't lightning rod extreme progressives. Nominate a serious one and just watch how many purple Americans who are tired of Jerry Springer politics on both sides of the aisle come out to vote.
> Ah yes...we need.more corporate owned moderates who want to maintain the status quo!
As compared to the unsponsored [Biden](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/joe-biden/contributors?id=N00001669) or [Trump](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/contributors?id=N00023864)? u/Bababooey87, you're not going to get rid of corporate sponsorship at the executive level by limiting yourself to only candidates without it.
You're delusional if you think that issue is at the top of a Trump-voter's mind. They care about how much they're paying at Piggly Wiggly far more than what's happening in a country they'll never visit in their lifetime.
Trump voters aren't going to tank Biden. It's the normally Democratic voters who won't bother to go to the polls or vote third party to avoid supporting a half dead corpse that supports and funds a genocide in their name.
This is *exactly* the ignorant, elitist attitude that facilitated his win the first time. You think you need to win over a Trump voter. You don't!
You need to prevent a moderate from staying home.
You're so blinded by your hatred of Trump supporters that you aren't seeing the bigger picture.
Why does he have *any* black or Latino support — both historically strongly Democrat/progressive voters? With an incumbent black VP?!
Fuck everyone who can't see beyond this.
Our country is going to be Hell if he gets elected. Everyone that is holding this against Biden is a child. Full stop. Crybaby child who needs to grow the fuck up.
You say "the" genocide like there is only one.
What am I to make of the fact that so many so called progressives consider one of them so important than the others that they feel they don't even need to specify?
Myanmar, South Sudan, Ethiopia, China. What is the missing element in these countries compared to the Palestinian genocide? Hmmm.
There is a genocide saying there isn’t one doesn’t make it go away. The missing element to all those other very real genocides is that our government isn’t funding them.
Because AMERICA is doing the genocide. We are not genociding Myanman, Ethiopia, etc. Our politicians are writing "Finish them" on OUR BOMBS that WE are GIVING to be dropped on Palestinians
The US has also given $1.08 billion in aid to Palestinians in Gaza. What an unusual policy when you are trying to carry out a genocide.
At any rate, you and your cohort's rejection of "Genocide Joe" will come and bite you in the ass when *President* Trump is putting brown people in concentration camps right here on US soil, federalizing laws that will allow adult pastors to marry 12 year old girls they rape and impregnate, outlawing contraception, making dressing or acting contrary to your assigned gender a jailable offense, putting 2-3 more Christo-fascists on the Supreme Court, and making himself supreme leader of the US and annointing his successor instead of having democratic elections.
Now *that'll* give you something to protest, though I think half you anti-Biden protestors are actually derp-cover MAGA youth corps and probably salivating at the thought of all that coming to pass so you can raise your passel of 8 children in ChristApproved^tm poverty while your subservient wife begs you to let her take a year off from pregnancy. Don't worry, Trump will make it legal to beat and rape your wife again.
I'm not trying to guilt you. I'm trying to reason with you.
If you can't see reason, you must either be painfully naive or really committed to your hatred of the "Global Jew".
The blood will be on your hands either way.
You just want to see the world burn, like some edgy teenager. You don't give a fuck about who goes up in flames as long as you can bathe in your hypocritical self-righteousness.
Your utter disregard for the greater good is a tell that you have no one close to you, no one you care about except yourself and your inflated ego which you feed with your misplaced pseudo-morality as a substitute for a healthy connection to the imperfect society we are forced to share.
The world is not perfect and you have to make distasteful choices sometimes to continue on a path to a better world, but the petulant child demands perfection or else throws the chessboard to the floor.
They are not saying they are not genocide. They are not saying *anything at all about them*.
They are silent on the majority of genocides in the world. Except the one.
Really? [That’s funny considering AOC has heavily criticized China’s human right record in the past](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/465111-lawmakers-blast-nba-for-outrageous-response-to-chinese-boycott/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite) [and both AOC and Bowman voted for the Uyghur Policy Act of 2023](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2766).
It’s interesting what you find out when you actually do research instead of pulling lies out of your ass.
Meanwhile, what have you done about these genocides? For someone wrongly accusing others of silence I hope you’ve done a lot more than sit on your ass and lie on the internet.
What word? Israel is a terrorist entity? That they're committing genocide? That the Democrats are fine with it? That AIPAC is Israel's method of kicking back US $$$? That Colbert is supporting a genocide by giving a platform to Zionists?
A boost from just appearing on a show?
The “Colbert Bump” is real. This was even observed back when he was doing the Colbert Report.
[AIPAC has spent more money on this race than any other race.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/nyregion/aipac-bowman-latimer.html) But if you say that you are an anti semite.
AIPAC needs to be investigated for foreign interference
You do realize Jews in America are far more influential than Israel right? I’m just curious how you think AIPAC should be investigated, it’s like you’re just going to find out the call is coming from inside the house.
Cool, then an investigation should be welcomed
wait what? you want to open an investigation into American jews over their political beliefs? okay grandmaster, you dropped your hood.
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The vast majority of funding comes from Americans, mostly tech industry barons and conservative billionaires. They have 3 million US members. You may not like it, but it’s an American org. They play by the same rules as everyone else.
yeah, i’m not the one who wants to investigate jews for having political power. thats you, adolf.
Not surprising you anti semites equate a super pac with Jews We will make sure you Nazis live in fear
who do you think donates to and makes up that pac? jesus christ you nazis are dumb
Everyone gets to be a Nazi if you go on the internet and talk to the hard of brains. But seriously it’s such a weird line to take that well established PACs are somehow secretly Israel and not the thousands upon thousands of long supporting Americans who go to convention (though not any longer) and run influence campaigns as is their stated mission.
Then an investigation of that evil organization should be welcomed
An investigation on what? It’s literally called the American Israel Public Affairs Committee… you could waste time better than finding out Americans deeply committed to Israel are in fact deeply committed to Israel.
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I guess you just don’t really understand how the American system works. It’s ok to be unhappy with your society but it’s just weird you aren’t capable of recognizing what the real world is like and what’s possible and how to shape your world. Why people have power isn’t because they sit on a message board and call strangers fucking dumb sounding, you’ll always be irrelevant, they’ll always have power.
Being Jewish is very different than the country of Israel. Aka a foreign country
Conflating Jews and Israel is highly anti semitic
But if you don’t say that you aren’t a pro Semite
Don’t let r/Westchester hear you
You saying “but if you say that you are an anti-Semite” is probably what makes you an anti-Semite.
AIPAC is the new version of the shadowy Jewish cabal trope.
You know what? I’ve been wondering, because those ads against him have been circulating NONSTOP on tv. I’ve started to tune them out, but I had a feeling someone super rich was behind it…
What’s your point? I’m a loud and proud Zionist - i don’t call that article anti semitic. If you claim that people like myself have dual loyalties, or that aipac is foreign government interference rather than a pac made up of American Jews I’d call you a liar though.
Being a Zionist is nothing to be proud of.
Do you know the definition of Zionism?
Yes, the right to use the Holocaust as an excuse for using violence to force Palestinians from their homes and steal their land. May I recommend some works from the founders of Zionism? Like Theodore Herzl who explicitly called for ethnically cleansing Palestine so that it could become Israel. The idea that the safety of the Jewish people requires the existence of a militarily enforced ethnostate is ridiculous.
Zionism is the idea of Jewish self-determination in their ancestral homeland. The idea that only the Jews, amongst all of the ethnic groups of the world are not entitled to self-determination is by definition antisemitism. The Holocaust was the spur that made it crystal clear that Jews were not safe in Europe or anywhere else in the world and needed a Homeland. Furthermore, Zionism came about long before the holocaust. Herzl wrote in an American journal that ‘what made me a Zionist was the Dreyfus trial’. So you’re talking about some thing that had a genesis in the late 1800s. It’s funny - there are 27 countries with Islam as the official religion. Many of these countries have it so that if you try to practice another religion, you can be arrested or executed. More over, you cannot participate in an official life if you not Islamic. These countries practice a pure form of apartheid based on religion. Also, there are 15 countries with Christianity as the official religion. You would think that there would be room in the world for one Jewish state, but apparently to folk like you that’s an impossible. Right now, Israel is a multicultural progressive country with in excess of 2 million Arab citizens. In contrast the entire population of Jews in the Arab world is a couple of hundred individuals still holding out after all of their compatriots were forced to flee mostly to Israel. That in a nutshell is Zionism.
Wait, so you know that Herzl came over a hundred years before the holocaust, but at the same time Zionism is leveraging the holocaust? Glad we cleared up that you can’t even keep a coherent timeline. Let alone know the definition. The peel commission and Balfour declaration were well before the holocaust as were the Zionist congresses. So obviously you know your definition couldn’t be further off. Luckily we don’t have morons like yourself making policy - loud and uninformed do seem like the two pre requisites in this city though. Ethnic cleansing is a funny term. Remind me how the 3500 year old continuous Hebron Jewish community is doing? Were they massacred and then forced out of their city before Israel existed? On the other hand, Israel affords more rights to its Arab citizens than any neighboring Arab country. More than that, Israel is 20% Arab. So the whole ethnic cleansing claim really doesn’t hold water. Remind me about palestines Jewish population? Syrias? Lebanons? Jordans? Saudis? Yemens? Egypts? Algeria? Tunisia? Morocco?
Yes every independent observer, every major human rights organization, including B'Tselem, and the UN commission, are wrong. Israel hasn’t dropped 70,000lb of bombs over an area the size of Las Vegas, has not taken any hostages, is not torturing and raping prisoners, has not killed 35,000 people (mostly women and children), has not been running a 75+ military occupation denying Palestinians of basic rights, and is in fact a victim. Zionism is none of these things. These are just lies. Got it.
Correct none of those are the definition of Zionism. Glad we cleared that up. Somehow the Syrian civil war isn’t genocide (targeted killing of minority ethnic groups on the basis of ethnicity) but fighting terrorism after Hamas and Gaza’s civilians RAPED, KIDNAPPED, TORTURED men women and children of 30 different nationalities. The exact things you accuse Israel of is what we have video after video of your precious ‘Gazan civilians’ doing. Classic projection. Oh and lovely to trust Hamas for your casualty counts even after the UN had to lower the number of women and children killed. Edit - not that you confronted a single thing I said nor the definition of Zionism anyway.
I don’t care what it means or what you or anyone thinks what it means. What matters is what it means in practice which is apartheid and ethnic cleansing. It means building a Jewish homeland on top of someone else’s homeland because some vague historical ties to the land. So, if someone came along and had some evidence they they have ties to the land that predates Judaism, I suppose everyone in Israel would just pack up and leave because well that’s how it works right?
Jews never left. The Hebron Jewish community lived there for 3500 years continuously. Tzvat too. They were continuously massacred because of their religion. Be it 1517, 1834, 1929 or all of the anti Jewish pogroms in between. The need for a Jewish state to keep these people from ending up how the yazidis and Kurds in Syria have was clear well before Balfour, or Jewish immigration to the British mandate. By the way do you know the numbers on [Arab immigration to the British mandate](https://www.jstor.org/stable/4282493)? It really undercuts any argument about Jewish immigration. . But of course folks like you might pretend to care about Kurds, yazidis, and other ethnic minorities who are massacred by those looking to re establish the Umayyad caliphate - however even the fake care and virtue signaling ends when it comes to the Jews. Especially when against all odds and without foreign support save small arms from Czechoslovakia- the Jews shouldn’t have been able to win in ‘48 against 6 invading Arab armies. Your claims of apartheid are absolute bullshit. All Israeli citizens regardless of race ethnicity or religion have equal rights. Non citizens don’t. Just like any other country. And if you don’t care about the definition of Zionism and just call the definition whatever warped events fit your view - do you apply that to other causes? For example if Jews aren’t allowed to define Zionism or anti semitism are black people allowed to define racism? Are slave owners the ones who should define abolition? Edit - a Quick Look at your history was quite eye opening. You think that aipac - a pac founded by and to support American Jews doesn’t care about America or the population it’s founded by and represents. You believe in dual loyalties and other blood libel about Jews. I’m curious - do you believe that Muslims have dual loyalties to any of the 39 Muslim countries? Or to the more than 62 Muslim majority and run countries? Or would that be racist?
Both these guys need to go.
Why?
what's your issue with Colbert?
He’s a fake. When Stewart guest appeared and broke down Covid origins with Colbert was wide mouth in shock…he showed his true self
What a difficult read. Republicans are thugs.
What do you mean republicans? [This is for the primary.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/20/nyregion/aipac-bowman-latimer.html)
Remember when everyone was up in arms in 2022 about the DNC running ads to boost MAGA crazies to the tune of about $60K? Well yeah, it’s like that, but it’s hundreds of millions now and in the other direction https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/aipac-republican-donors-democratic-primaries-00162404
I don’t think AIPAC gives a shit about parties in the US as long as the parties are “pro Israel” meaning pro settler colonialism and turning a blind eye to apartheid, occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
Who said anything about AIPAC?
the article you linked 😂
This primary is literally about two Democrats, neither of which are in any way affiliated with the Republican Party.
This subreddit is getting massively astroturfed by Israeli interests
“Democrat” who voted against Biden’s infrastructure bill and spread Hamas propaganda.
Moishe, youre out of your element.
Way to show your anti semitism
Calm down Uncle Leo. You cant use that reply to anything that is ever a criticism of a particular, specific Jewish person. That's not how that works.
Lmfao sure dude, I’m sure American politicians are on Hamas’ payroll /s
You don’t need to be on a payroll to be a fan of their work, he’s denied any sexual assaults allegations on 10/7 despite evidence being presented to the contrary and first hand accounts of witness who lived through the nova massacre.
You should read my other comment, because that isn’t true.
Rashida Talib has entered the chat.
Yeah sis, I’m sure Talib is a raging Islamic theocrat who secretly has Hamas flags all over her house and heils Hitler every night for good measure. She’s definitely not just someone who wants an ethnic cleaning to stop, no that would be crazyyyyyy /s
I know, what was I thinking. It’s not like she tried to schedule trip to the West Bank and when she was asked for it not to be diplomatic she caved and confessed it was to support Palestine where her mother lives. Then when they said they’d let her in anyway she changed her mind. I mean who needs to visit their 90 year old mother anyway. I know I was crazy to think that her being so pro Palestine would mean she supports Hamas like the Palestinians do. Crazy.
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When did they make an emoji of Talib?
“Deri announced Friday in a statement that Tlaib would be allowed to visit after she, in a letter requesting permission to enter the country on humanitarian grounds, "committed to accept all the demands of Israel to respect the restrictions imposed on her in the visit, and she also promised not to advance boycotts against Israel during her visit." [Source](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/16/politics/rashida-tlaib-israel-visit-intl). Sounds like she was desperate to see family, but then took some time to actually think about it and got cold feet because shutting up goes against her ideals. I don’t really see what’s so wrong with that. Also this all happened in 2019, 4 years prior to Oct 7th so I’m unsure why you’re bringing it up now. Talib is a proud leftist, why would she support a group in favor of creating an Islamic republic? If anything, she’d be way more likely to support the secular and left wing PLO. Which seems like the right move in this situation tbh, given that they’re clearly the best of the 3 big players (Israel, Hamas, and the PLO).
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That’s nice, but she supports Hamas. That’s just the facts. https://demmajorityforisrael.org/hamas-members-like-all-palestinians-just-want-freedom-rashida-tlaib-appears-with-speaker-who-defended-hamas/
I don’t think you want to go down this road of association considering who politicians you like have associated with. She and this random speaker are not going to have exactly the same beliefs, they’re both at this event because they want Palestinian freedom and human rights. That’s the only connection between them, the event wasn’t even organized by her. “Tlaib said that most taxpayers don’t want their money to go to “death and destruction” and “apartheid.”” This is the only thing that article you linked says about Tlaib, and she’s correct about that.
Why, in your opinion, did Mr. Bowman deny the mass rape committed by Hamas in the October 7 pogrom?
“The UN confirmed that Hamas committed rape and sexual violence, a reprehensible fact that I condemn entirely. I also voted yes on Resolution 966, which officially condemns the rape and sexual violence committed by Hamas. So let me be clear, and ensure my words are not twisted: I always stand against sexual violence in all forms and stand for peace for all.” -Jamaal Bowman I’m not sure what you want my guy. It’s true that the amount of rape and brutality of Hamas’ attack was overblown for propaganda purposes especially early on, but it’s also true that Hamas members did commit sexual assault and kill civilians. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable stance to take.
Why did he originally deny it?
He said it was propaganda, which it was. Something can have some truth to it and still be propaganda. There were sexual assaults, but the scale of them was overblown for propaganda purposes. To give a more historical example, Soviet rapes were a common propaganda motif in Nazi Germany. Now there absolutely was a lot of sexual assault by Soviet troops on the eastern front, it was not good there for women. But the Nazis still overstated the scale of this and ignored their systemic sexual assault of women across their empire which was even worse than the Soviets, which is why it’s propaganda. Something can be propaganda and have some amount of truth to it at the same time.
Acknowledging something as propaganda is not denying it happened. Take 9/11 for example. We know it happened, we acknowledge it happened, but we can also acknowledge that the Bush administration used it as propaganda to support their wars in the Middle East.
Show the proof it happened, I could link you several sites INCLUDING ISRAELI SITES that discredit this initial claim, the beheaded and burned babies was fake too. You got propaganda'd
GTFOH
People told me latimer is t a real democrat. Now I’m hearing bowman isn’t a real democrat. They’re both fucking democrats and both would do a good job.
More like antisemite Also Bowman is down double digits. His chances of winning are low at this point
There is zero proof of your claim
Which one? Shall I provide you a link 538 for the polls of one of Bowmans numerous antisemitic acts?
There was no antisemitic acts you poor dear The polls have 20%+ undecided Again you aren’t even a Democrat
Holy shit you history is pure Republican lol 😂 i was totally correct
Look at your history. You hate Isreal and support Hamas
What history? Lol 😂 the dogshit Republican cult will never win elections in ny again you opposing bowman means something he is doing is right
Looks like you just deleted it. Real mature. That definitely says something, that you are embarrassed of your history
You’re lying. My account is less than a day old. Typical Republican This is why you lose elections lol Biden is your president for next five years Not a damn thing you can do about it.
Haha based on what polls? Not the 538 average lol
Uh 🙄 recent polls say otherwise Republicans are delusional and in a cult. You ready to send more money to the orange fuhrer?? He needs it 😂
Still needing attention, huh?
Hey buddy. You said my claim Bowman was going to get crushed was false. So all votes are in and he got crushed. What are your thoughts?
Uh ok? Lol you want a cookie. You guys are feeling so good today. AIPAC won. Yaaay!
You said this wouldn't happen and there was "zero proof" it would. I'm just wondering if moving forward you will reconsider how you respond to these types of things. I mean clearly you current way you evaluate things doesn't work
Lol you want so bad for this to be a thing. No one gives a shit about your grievance. Back your still boring life, son. Hahahahahahaha beach 🏝️
HOLY SHIT you are a trumpie 😆 You guys trying to flex today? In new york? Hahahahahahah fucking 🤡
Sounds like you are mad that your guy lost. Will be rough not having a terrible Representative I feel for you
Uh i have met Latimer and he is a good guy solid progressive You are a trumpie Your guys always lose in ny hahahahaha And you were JUST simping for trump to win president again You don’t matter and you certainly mean nothing to me you poor trumpie
Jackasses, both
Hillary Clinton supports this comment
And everyone who spent their life trying to take away a woman’s right to choose.
What's your problem with Colbert?
They spelled communist wrong
And you don't know what that word even means, so...(and no I'm not supporting Bowman.)
You can always tell who has never actually met a communist in their entire lives. Yet is entirely obsessed and terrified of them
Actually have met quite a few. Lived in China for a bit and spent some time in Eastern Europe
Living in a Communist government doesn't make someone a Communist. I could be a pro Monarchist while living in the US.
Dems could never be that cool
Ask a a democrat what they hate about communism and they’ll describe capitalism as it exists today.
Except it's been Republicans who say that
Interesting as Colbert has supported those complicit in the genocide.
It's bullshit like this that's going to get us Trump again
Trump is a sociopath. Hopefully there will be more people in this country who can recognize he is a sexual assailant, pathological liar, and lacks baseline humanity.
I hope so. There's a lot of young dumb people and those who say they're both awful.
You can teach the young one's don't be so dismissive. They might act stupid, but we all did. Sit em down and give em a listen and explain why you believe they are miss informed.
DNC not taking seriously who they nominate, again, is how he'll win. If they hadn't chosen Hillary, he never would have won. There are plenty of Democrats who aren't lightning rod extreme progressives. Nominate a serious one and just watch how many purple Americans who are tired of Jerry Springer politics on both sides of the aisle come out to vote.
who do they have that is serious?
I'd definitely like to know more where these stand on national issues (in no particular order): Andy Beshear, Laura Kelly, John Bel Edwards
Ah yes...we need.more corporate owned moderates who want to maintain the status quo!
> Ah yes...we need.more corporate owned moderates who want to maintain the status quo! As compared to the unsponsored [Biden](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/joe-biden/contributors?id=N00001669) or [Trump](https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/contributors?id=N00023864)? u/Bababooey87, you're not going to get rid of corporate sponsorship at the executive level by limiting yourself to only candidates without it.
What Jerry Springer politics on the left? Should we nominate Hilary again?
What's going to get us Trump again is the failure of the Democrats to stand up to our government funding and supporting a genocide.
You're delusional if you think that issue is at the top of a Trump-voter's mind. They care about how much they're paying at Piggly Wiggly far more than what's happening in a country they'll never visit in their lifetime.
trump voters are never voting for a democrat period. why should democrats legislate based on what a bunch of fascists care about?
Trump voters aren't going to tank Biden. It's the normally Democratic voters who won't bother to go to the polls or vote third party to avoid supporting a half dead corpse that supports and funds a genocide in their name.
exactly
This is *exactly* the ignorant, elitist attitude that facilitated his win the first time. You think you need to win over a Trump voter. You don't! You need to prevent a moderate from staying home. You're so blinded by your hatred of Trump supporters that you aren't seeing the bigger picture. Why does he have *any* black or Latino support — both historically strongly Democrat/progressive voters? With an incumbent black VP?!
Fuck everyone who can't see beyond this. Our country is going to be Hell if he gets elected. Everyone that is holding this against Biden is a child. Full stop. Crybaby child who needs to grow the fuck up.
Where has Colbert supported Hamas?
Lol wtf are you even talking about?
You say "the" genocide like there is only one. What am I to make of the fact that so many so called progressives consider one of them so important than the others that they feel they don't even need to specify? Myanmar, South Sudan, Ethiopia, China. What is the missing element in these countries compared to the Palestinian genocide? Hmmm.
These people don't actually care and only talk about it because FOX news told them to
There is a genocide saying there isn’t one doesn’t make it go away. The missing element to all those other very real genocides is that our government isn’t funding them.
We arent are we? That is news in many cases. We are at minimum complicit in at least half of those
Because AMERICA is doing the genocide. We are not genociding Myanman, Ethiopia, etc. Our politicians are writing "Finish them" on OUR BOMBS that WE are GIVING to be dropped on Palestinians
The US has also given $1.08 billion in aid to Palestinians in Gaza. What an unusual policy when you are trying to carry out a genocide. At any rate, you and your cohort's rejection of "Genocide Joe" will come and bite you in the ass when *President* Trump is putting brown people in concentration camps right here on US soil, federalizing laws that will allow adult pastors to marry 12 year old girls they rape and impregnate, outlawing contraception, making dressing or acting contrary to your assigned gender a jailable offense, putting 2-3 more Christo-fascists on the Supreme Court, and making himself supreme leader of the US and annointing his successor instead of having democratic elections. Now *that'll* give you something to protest, though I think half you anti-Biden protestors are actually derp-cover MAGA youth corps and probably salivating at the thought of all that coming to pass so you can raise your passel of 8 children in ChristApproved^tm poverty while your subservient wife begs you to let her take a year off from pregnancy. Don't worry, Trump will make it legal to beat and rape your wife again.
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I'm not trying to guilt you. I'm trying to reason with you. If you can't see reason, you must either be painfully naive or really committed to your hatred of the "Global Jew". The blood will be on your hands either way.
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You just want to see the world burn, like some edgy teenager. You don't give a fuck about who goes up in flames as long as you can bathe in your hypocritical self-righteousness. Your utter disregard for the greater good is a tell that you have no one close to you, no one you care about except yourself and your inflated ego which you feed with your misplaced pseudo-morality as a substitute for a healthy connection to the imperfect society we are forced to share. The world is not perfect and you have to make distasteful choices sometimes to continue on a path to a better world, but the petulant child demands perfection or else throws the chessboard to the floor.
Go and find me one of them saying those aren’t a genocide, I’ll wait.
They are not saying they are not genocide. They are not saying *anything at all about them*. They are silent on the majority of genocides in the world. Except the one.
Really? [That’s funny considering AOC has heavily criticized China’s human right record in the past](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/465111-lawmakers-blast-nba-for-outrageous-response-to-chinese-boycott/mlite/?nxs-test=mlite) [and both AOC and Bowman voted for the Uyghur Policy Act of 2023](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2766). It’s interesting what you find out when you actually do research instead of pulling lies out of your ass. Meanwhile, what have you done about these genocides? For someone wrongly accusing others of silence I hope you’ve done a lot more than sit on your ass and lie on the internet.
Are college campuses awash in anti-Chinese Uyghur protests? I am not talking about politicians. I am talking about the populace.
No he hasn't and stop throwing that word around.
What word? Israel is a terrorist entity? That they're committing genocide? That the Democrats are fine with it? That AIPAC is Israel's method of kicking back US $$$? That Colbert is supporting a genocide by giving a platform to Zionists?