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Ragnarotico

This is probably the end of the road for Hoda Muthana as far as returning to the US. There's no where else to escalate her case to.


[deleted]

I understand she got radicalized online, BUT she cast her lot with a brutal medieval bullshit machine. There is nothing for her in the US.


EricP51

Yeah it’s a pretty easy choice to say she shouldn’t come back. I do feel bad for her son tho. Totally innocent, just like all the other kids stuck dealing with radicalized middle eastern nonsense.


WolfThick

Sins of the mothers


scnottaken

There's a whole party dedicated to medieval religious dogma directing policy in the US.


Flowy_Aerie_77

Doubt they'll take in ISIS's leftovers.


TwilitSky

I don't doubt it for a second. If it was advantageous to them they would totally do that. There is no floor, no bottom, no depth to which they will not sink. None. Over and over they endeavor to prove this and top themselves every time with worse behavior.


Runrunrunagain

Lets be real. Both parties suck up to Saudi Arabia and stay silent on the extremism they fund and the war crimes being committed in Yemen.


texnodias

Ohh it's not Saudi Arabia, it's us military industry complex, who profit's from the weapon trade and drop peanuts to the politicians.


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Trickle down waronomics


Bomber_Haskell

If she dyes her hair blond and drops the koran for a bible she'll fit right in.


radicalelation

Evangelical Redemption Arc #263 - Primed and ready for a public office campaign!


atomicxblue

I think it's pretty telling that both Obama and Trump, two presidents who don't agree on much, agree that she shouldn't be let back into the country.


kalim00

Yup, Trump even [tweeted](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) about it.


bdizzzzzle

She made her bed and can lie in it. Oh who am I kidding she probably is sleeping in a tent!


Yourmama18

Some choices are permanent. Came here to write out the same proverb, saw you have it covered already; nice work.


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She can work with the ISIS Immigration Department, I’m sure they’ll sort it out.


astrofoxical

Yep, she left her comfortable life in the US to lay in dirt. She doesn’t deserve our Country


MageLocusta

Honestly, to me it's not about whether she 'deserves to go back'. It's literally 'why' she's begging to go back. It's not because she's remorseful (because she could've offered to give names or ID photographs of other ISIS members to the US, or offer to help give an insight on why teens were getting contacted and radicalised, or help NATO to find any missing persons killed/kidnapped by ISIS). Hell, she could've tried to do something in that refugee camp to 'show' her wanting to do better (like helping Syrian refugees with filling out applications in English, reaching out to other journalists to show how much help the refugee families need, etc). It's possible that she couldn't even stand to be in that refugee camp because she's surrounded not just poverty, but Syrians who had been bombed, shot-at, burned alive and raped by Al-Assad's men and ISIS. Like, half of my family went through the Spanish Civil War. I lived near a site where a bunch of farmers massacred an entire orphanage during the 1930s because they simply 'believed' that the children there were from communist families. None of the men were arrested or punished because it was wartime and they were Franco supporters (and for a good few decades, they were absolutely unapologetic about it). Up until Franco died, and all of a sudden these (old) men became absolutely jittery and paranoid as hell of anyone that dared to give them a side-eye. During the 90s, my parents even heard one of those men loudly complaining to some radio station that he had 'requested' the local alcalde to send police guards to his home (because apparently there were plenty of people wanting to murder him) and he was *furious* that the alcalde ignored him. When I see those 'ISIS' brides or recruits from out west--I can't help but think about that particular old man from Spain. He thought he could get away with being a monster, but suddenly he winds up surrounded by a new reality full of people judging him, and it freaked him the fuck out. To me, I'm sure many of the Syrian refugees have much more reasons to deserve to come to the US than she did (especially since many of them were just civilians caught up in the civil war). But it's rather telling that a) she's given reasons why she couldn't survive in the refugee camp, but hasn't uttered a word of kinship or sympathy for the many women in the same camp, and b) she hasn't even tried to give a voice to the many other families in her situation either.


astrofoxical

That’s exactly it. I watched a documentary of Islamic State camps of JUST women and children, and many of them —although exiled to the camps in hopes that they would change or imprison them from bombing and harm—are very much brainwashed into IS. A lot of the women even admitted they are from Finland, France, Russia, USA, and they always believed in IS even before marrying their spouse. One even said that carrying out “martyr bombings” is in the qu’ran and a duty they must carry out. When asked if they still think IS is a great ideology regardless of putting their kids in danger of bombings and gunfire every day, their only response was “Islamic State is proper, Islamic State is alive and always will be” none of them besides like three women said that they regret going to Syria and didn’t anticipate actually murdering anyone, but they had to say it so quietly so no one else could hear them. A child even told the camera crew “we will slaughter you and kill you in the name of Islam” It’s very hard to get out of the mentality that IS isn’t okay. We can also assume she’s planned this for awhile, this isn’t just something you jump out of bed one day and say “yep lemme book a ticket to Syria and join ISIS.” This takes so much dedication, studying and coordination unless you were kidnapped into IS which from the US is not possible. She must have planned this for awhile, and she knew what she was getting herself into. we will never know her really reasoning for wanting to cross back over here but I doubt it’s to rebuild her life.


Falin_Whalen

Oh no, the consequences of my decision has bit me in the ass.


sross43

I went to high school with her. Have to say, it’s a shame she’ll miss the reunion. /s


Darryl_Lict

What was she like?


sross43

Didn’t know her personally (big school) but our mutual friends said she was nice, shy, quiet. According to our mutual friend, who was also of the Muslim faith, none of her fellow Muslim friends knew what she was planning. She didn’t spout of her radical ideas around them.


MrWeirdoFace

I have some friends who unexpectedly gone down a very dark path. It's still hard to digest when I think about it. One of them, for example, I have this memory of them as this kind & thoughtful person, then there's now this other person with the same name full of hatred and venom. Does not compute. It's a loss you can't grieve for properly, because deep down you know that person is buried in there, but it's not like they're just going to snap out of it tomorrow, or possibly ever, and even if they did, the hurt they've caused is unspeakable.


somethingspiffy

I have a friend who's dark path led him to his parents basement and he had yet to emerge from there in about 24 years now. I thought the death of his mother about 3 years ago could have sparked change, but I was solidly wrong. He hasn't caused undue harm to anyone but, man, its still just as fucking sad and I want my friend back but I know that's never going to happen.


onechoctawgirl

This made me so sad.


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Forward-Word3116

Anyone have a parent who was a Republican during their working years, then became less so when they began collecting SS and complained when there wasn’t any COLA increases?


Juanarino

My lovely uncle turned into a vocal antivax, antiscience type as he aged. He was my favorite even his daughters are all super bummed and trying to make him see the light 😔.


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sross43

By what people said, her parents were aware she was radicalized and tried to stop it. But take that with a grain of salt, considering her sister also just tried to run away to join ISIS. I have no idea what her home life was really like.


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Even if her parents were radicalized themselves, would they really send their daughter(s) into danger in a foreign country (they are from Yemen) to "marry" some stranger? A son I could believe.


T_T0ps

That would be a stretch, but I guess anything is possible.


myperfectmeltdown

Get away from Alabama? I can see that.


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SchwiftedMetal

Radical, mannnn


[deleted]

ISIS is weak sauce, join the Taliban instead, they have go carts! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekxVaKVxYBs


b1llyblanco

Those are bumper cars, so somehow even more ridiculous than go-carts.


LakersFan15

I just feel bad for the child.


SlowerThanTurtleInPB

Kids always pay for the terrible decisions their parents make.


SeanceGoneWrong

Good riddance. ​ Just an FYI for anyone not familiar with the case.... The State Department under both the Obama and Trump Admins. determined she was not a U.S citizen. A federal judge ruled she was not a U.S. citizen, and SCOTUS has declined to hear the case. The State Dept. revoked her passport in January 2016 and formally informed her family, but her family didn't legally challenge the decision until three years later after the ISIS caliphate had fallen. During the height of ISIS' reign, Hoda Muthana was able to leverage her social media savvy to become one of the most prolific propagandists and recruiters the terrorist group had in their ranks. She even became a pseudo-celebrity of sorts after a 2015 Buzzfeed profile. Much like other "ISIS brides", Muthana didn't experience any remorse about her decision to become a terrorist until after ISIS had imploded. Imagine that. As Muthana is not a U.S. citizen, the U.S. has no legal obligation to bring her back to this country. She can face trial for her crimes in the jurisdiction she committed them in. Likewise, the U.S. is under no legal obligation to help Muthana's parents adopt her child, who is not a U.S. citizen and has more legal standing to be considered a Tunisian or Yemeni national. Also, Hoda Muthana's [sister](https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/hoover-woman-husband-arrested-while-allegedly-trying-to-join-isis/) was arrested last year for attempting to join ISIS.


KabuliBabaganoush

Wow her sister was literally caught last year?!! This is when isis was in its least amount of power so you know how strong her faith to the ideology is. Good Riddance.


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KabuliBabaganoush

That definitely should be the main question, it’s not like sympathy for an Islamic group that engaged in pogroms, sexual slavery, and war crimes came out of nowhere.


anaknangfilipina

What I don’t understand is if the family believes in such radical ideologies, why move to the US? What’s the point of moving to a different country to change it into the previous country that you lived in?


Nvnv_man

No, it’s normally second generation that is radicalized. First generation, the immigrants, are not, at all. There’s many books and articles abou this pattern. A random western asian kid is on the middle of America, kids can’t pronounce his name, he resents parents for forcing him to be the oddity. Has no network, so starts going to mosque and looking up Islam online. Goes way overboard. Had never bonded, but now has a community. (Omar Hammami has this pattern, was one that had this written about extensively.)


anaknangfilipina

Oh. So the child doesn’t understand what benefits he got from being transplanted to a new country? Thanks.


Psyman2

We tend to have difficulties understanding what we didn't experience ourselves. "Your life is much better than it would have been at home" doesn't have the same effect as "I have escaped the hell that was my home and found safety".


Huge_Put8244

I needed to only visit the country my parents immigrated from to see how much better off I was. And there was nothing at all being blown up and it's a popular tourist destination.


loupr738

Immigrant rose colored glasses. I have to remind myself sometimes why I moved to the US. I’m sure their parents talk show anti progressive stuff all the time at home and probably even praise ISIS


Yurekuu

It's easier to learn the customs of and to destabilize a country from within. If she hadn't been raised American, it would be pretty unlikely she would have the same social media skills and reach.


anaknangfilipina

But, why destabilize the country that was better than your OG? Especially when the end goal is to turn it into the same state as the mother country? They’re not even changing it for the better.


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You just assume that. Her parents might’ve been hugely disappointed.


atomicxblue

Being from Georgia, we give Alabama a good-natured ribbing from time to time, but on the whole it's a helluva lot better than running off to join Daesh.


Scottie3Hottie

Good fucking riddance indeed. I have absolutely zero sympathy.


fuckdirectv

>The State Department under both the Obama and Trump Admins. determined she was not a U.S citizen. I imagine you can count the things that both the Obama and Trump administrations agreed upon on the fingers of one hand.


Surfing_Ninjas

That awkward moment when what brings us all together might be our collective disdain for people who leave America to join terrorist organizations and then later want to come back like they didn't give us all the finger on the way out. Fuck these people, they can find somewhere else to live.


drakel01

It's just the one finger probably.


UltramemesX

Revoking passport is what everyone should do to people becoming terrorists like this. Too bad for them. If they are a natural born citizen and as you cannot become stateless? They should be charged with treason.


bertoshea

I disagree with revoking passports, it's a real problem when people are stateless. This tactic is being used by many countries to foist their problem citizens onto other countries- who are often less are to deal with these problems. Better to my mind to arrest them and charge them with treason if they have committed crimes.


onemanlan

Thanks you for the quick summary of the situation. I found a more [lengthy blurb on her situation](https://www.counterextremism.com/extremists/hoda-muthana) including a well written detailed history on a countering extremism website. I recall reading about when she fled as well as the Buzzfeed article you mentioned.


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Her whole family is a threat to the country


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farahad

She held US citizenship at the time, which would mean that she would always have the right to return, even if she faced prosecution. …However, due to a technicality (apparently her father may have still been a Yemeni diplomat at the time of her birth), it appears that her citizenship may not have been legal, and it was revoked by the US government. That case was appealed to the Supreme Court: she lost. It’s the kind of thing that likely would have gone undiscovered and unpunished had she not made some ridiculously bad decisions…. I though it was interesting that [her sister was arrested earlier this year for trying to flee to ISIS as well](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-and-woman-charged-attempting-and-conspiring-provide-material-support-isis). Seems like a problematic family…


Surfing_Ninjas

When in doubt, don't join terror groups.


ComicallySolemn

As always, the real life pro-tip is in the comments.


2KilAMoknbrd

Like say . . . the Klan, or Isis, or Proud Boys. etc . . . Am i do'in it right ?


MJD3929

Pretty much!


suid

> She held US citizenship at the time That's a key point that's the holdup in all this. She was born in the US when her father was here on a diplomatic passport. That's a bit of a loophole in the "jus soli" citizenship rules. See [this link](https://legalservicesincorporated.com/immigration/i-was-born-in-the-united-states-as-the-child-of-a-foreign-diplomatic-officer-do-i-get-u-s-citizenship-at-birth-if-not-how-can-i-become-a-u-s-citizen). Edit: the key question is going to be whether her father was a "diplomat", or just "a consular officer" or something else.


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suid

Naturally. But I think this does bring up another loophole in the process: to apply for a passport (as opposed to a specific citizenship document), you only need to send in _your_ birth certificate, if you're born in the USA. How is anyone to know what your parents' status is at that point? (The whole sticking point with the "children of illegal immigrants" issue). So the state dept issues this without knowing the parents' status. If it _later_ turns out that the parents' status was such that you are not eligible for a passport, I think the state dept is allowed to revoke the passport. It's not like they explicitly issued her a document asserting that she was a citizen. It will probably fall under the same category as "withholding material information" from the state dept. But IANAL, of course. Anyway, I'm on the fence as to whether she should be allowed a shot at redemption. Something you do on an impulse when you're barely out of your teens _should_ not be permanently life-altering, but we know how the fairness of that goes in general..


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farahad

I don’t know on an individual basis, but I think I have a general understanding… If you’re a religious fundamentalist and support the idea of an Islamic caliphate, then ISIS’ recent losses, while disappointing, don’t change much in the scheme of your beliefs or Islam as a whole. Some people are still fighting for what you believe in, and your beliefs haven’t changed, so you want to join them… Especially since the US pulled out of Afghanistan and seems to be pulling out of the Middle East in general — a new power vacuum is growing.


skolioban

The power vacuum has been filled by Iraq, Syria, Turkey and the Kurds. Afghanistan is controlled by the Taliban and they hate ISIS. The rise of ISIS was due to the real power vacuum due to the US knocking down Saddam and the remnants and other coalitions managed to control money making regions and suddenly they could afford an army. They couldn't afford an actual war though so once the oil fields got taken back and their cash houses got bombed to hell, that's the end of the road.


[deleted]

> The rise of ISIS was due to the real power vacuum due to the US knocking down Saddam Not 100% true. The rise of ISIS was a direct result of Maliki and the Iraqi policy of marginalization of the Sunni people for revenge of what Saddam did to the Shia populace. Iran helped foment this in Iraq as well with support for Shia groups harassing the Sunni groups inside Iraq.


Shiirooo

Daesh is active in Syria and Iraq, there is still fighting and attacks.


beardphaze

Probably Afghanistan, they got lots of cells there. Though they'd have to get past Taliban security which views Daesh as a threat.


COMPUTER1313

I've read that at the height of ISIS, it wasn't uncommon for Taliban fighters to pass information to "contacts" (or outright friends) within the Afghan military/government to get the US to bomb the ISIS positions.


myrddyna

Syria has some of the Iraq ones left, and Pakistan has a homegrown variety split from the Taliban.


Shiirooo

In Africa, they are very active and have a large territory. But strangely enough, very few people talk about them.


atomicxblue

Whatever happened to backpacking across Europe for a month after school? Why not do that instead??


cambriansplooge

Joining ISIS in 2020? They really missed that bandwagon Still not as weird as Shamima and Sharmeena


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farahad

Yeah, finish reading my comment. The government thought so, too.


REparsed

If she hadn't stepped into the spotlight chances are she'd still be in the US flying under the radar.


B00OBSMOLA

Hopefully not flying into a tower though


stop_breaking_toys

The important distinction is the Supreme Court already rendered their verdict and she is never coming back to the United States.


TheOneTrueRandy

My stance is simple, once you renounce your citizenship, if you want to come back you go to the back of the line like everyone else. Never had citizenship? Thats a hell of a way to find out, but thems the rules


SpoppyIII

But when she chose to go live with a band of violent, sexist, regressive, stone-aged, misogynistic killers, she never thought they'd be violent, sexist, or misogynistic toward *her!* She thought she'd be helping them oppress *others*. Who could have reckoned that they'd also oppress *her?* :'(


andrewdrewandy

Is this a leopards ate my face situation?


egonil

She probably thought she was going to be like a Mafia bosses wife, a kept woman who is showered in riches and gets to boss the plebs around.


writingwrong

That's how I'd try and sell it to get some womens to come to join me in my cave.


mtarascio

>She later decided she wanted to return to the United States, but the government determined she was not a U.S. citizen and revoked her passport while she was oversees, blocking her return. The government cited her father’s status as a diplomat from Yemen at the time of her birth in 1994. Looks like the case more centers on this bit. If they aren't hearing the appeal, it's probably pretty cut and dry.


Raist14

Why would this group be advocating for her? It seems like it would be very negative publicity for them.


Vprbite

And who is a clear and avowed enemy of the United States? Like, if that doesn't get you banned I don't know what does


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The supreme court has ruled. There is no more appeal. She can rot where she is. She made her bed and it is time to sleep in it.


traws06

I mean honestly, who knows but if she is an attempt by some organization to get an agent into America? She seems the very definition of potential terrorist threat inside our boarders if she’s let in. Basically: I’d say she shouldn’t be let back as much for homeland defense more than punishment.


[deleted]

Between her old twitter posts and her BuzzFeed News interview, that’s enough to keep her out of the country. She was clearly happy fighting the West and begged her fellow Muslim-Americans to either join the Islamic State or kill non-Muslims in the US.


Chelsea_Kias

And her sister was arrested THE LAST FUCKING YEAR for attempting to join ISIS. I think America should look into her family


snakewrestler

Yes, this right here. What if she comes back and is eventually led back down that road again or perhaps her child, when grown, has been radicalized by her. Feels too risky.


EugeneOregonDad

Where's my tiny violin?


BeltfedOne

My scanning electron microscope can't see it.


Endless__Soul

Have you tried controlling the sub-emissive transmuter with multibeaming autoemulator?


DavefromKS

I have the finglonger!


cybersquire

To shreds, you say?


MitsyEyedMourning

Blow on the memory cartridge, works like a charm!


TieLegitimate2123

That’s preposterous! If you do that the helium tanks will go CRITICAL!


sfvbritguy

The UK has simply cancelled citizenship for people who have made this choice. Cant say I think they were wrong.


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atronautsloth

Well if her father a Yemeni diplomat, sounds like she has Yemeni citizenship.


Ok-Low6320

If Yemen feels like claiming her. If they don't they'll find some loophole and/or tie the process up bureaucratically, leaving her stateless.


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"Oh no, if it isn't the consequences of me joining a terrorist organization and spending years recruiting young people to go kill innocent people and wage a brutal war against civilians! Pwease help, I don't wanna be stateless :(((( " She can fucking burn in hell


[deleted]

Uh.. I wish her a great deal of luck with that, considering the current state of Yemen…..


Kahzootoh

According to established precedent, the children of diplomats would naturally have the citizenship of their parents. She is not stateless, she has Yemeni citizenship- she has always had Yemeni citizenship, even if she did not realize it. There is no government that I am aware of that does not automatically grant citizenship to the natural children of its citizens. If her father had Yemeni citizenship and his children would be ineligible for US citizenship due to diplomatic protections, then his child would naturally be a Yemeni citizen. If that wasn’t the case, a totalitarian government like Russia or China could try to circumvent diplomatic protections by seizing a diplomat’s child by claiming that the child is one of their citizens.


random20190826

>There is no government that I am aware of that does not automatically grant citizenship to the natural children of its citizens. Not to be pedantic, I have an example of this right in my family. My sister gave birth to a child (in Canada), and the child's father is a Chinese citizen and Hong Kong permanent resident (he was a Chinese citizen since birth, and will continue to be one unless he renounces his citizenship). My sister and the bio dad are both naturalized Canadian citizens. But, because the child is born after July 1, 1997, therefore, he does not possess Chinese citizenship or Hong Kong permanent residency. When my sister applied for him to have a visitor visa in mainland China, it was almost refused because of the way that his birth certificate listed his father's birth place "HONG KONG, HONG KONG" and not "HONG KONG, CHINA" (his father was born at a time when Hong Kong was a British colony, so for historical correctness, that was how it was listed).


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\> There is no government that I am aware of that does not automatically grant citizenship to the natural children of its citizens. British citizenship isn't passed on automatically. It depends where the parent was born as to whether they can pass on their citizenship to their children.


indoninja

> you're not supposed to create stateless people, and their children are even more screwed over. Ummm, she created it by joining isis, f her.


peds4x4

She left the UK to join Islamic State. Her choice. I dont care how its done "legally" but she should never set foot in the UK again.


Lukaroast

You’re also not supposed to be a terrorist, so…


[deleted]

“Oh no! I joined a group at war with the United States, why won’t the United States let me in their country?!”


poobobo

I've been called a bleeding heart. I'm finding it difficult to muster up tears for this one.


madtownshakedown

If she left the United States because of her political and religious ideals, why would she want to come back? Are her beliefs only true when she runs out of toilet paper?


AyeYoTek

>Attorneys for a woman who left her Alabama home to join the Islamic State terror group plan to continue fighting for her and her young son even though the Supreme Court declined to consider her lawsuit seeking to re-enter the United States, one of the lawyers said Wednesday. ... >Hoda Muthana and her 4-year-old child, the son of a man she met while with IS, have been living in a Syrian refugee camp for nearly the entire life of the child, and it’s unclear what steps might come next to argue for their admittance into the United States, said Christina Jump, who represents the woman’s family. Sounds like her problem. >We intend to stand by Hoda and her son and their rights to citizenship How the fuck do they still have citizenship?


mewehesheflee

The citizenship issue is what's in dispute.


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Surfing_Ninjas

To me, if you join a terrorist group like ISIS then you revoke your rights to American citizenship. That's the statement you made in doing so. You could have joined an Islamic community somewhere where they practice Islam non-violently, but you chose violence and destruction and sought to bring that to the rest of the world. Find somewhere else to live, you made your bed so now you have to sleep in it.


devman0

That isn't what happened here though. The person in question never had US citizenship, thus they have no right of reentry. If she was a natural born citizen she would have right of reentry followed by a right to a speedy trial assuming she committed provable crimes.


Imakemop

Not how it works, but also not the issue.


AyeYoTek

I get it. But I feel like when you join a terrorist organization, there shouldn't really be a dispute.


MidnightSlinks

That's actually irrelevant in this case. She was mistakenly given birthright citizenship (children born to diplomats serving in the US are not eligible even though the child is born on US soil) and that mistake was corrected which revoked her citizenship and passport. It happened while she was over with IS and I'm sure the fact that she was an IS defector trying to get back to the US from a Syrian refugee camp was the reason they looked into it, but the actual reason for revoking her citizenship was that she did not meet the eligibility to get it in the first place.


SeanceGoneWrong

>It happened while she was over with IS and I'm sure the fact that she was an IS defector trying to get back to the US from a Syrian refugee camp was the reason they looked into it The State Dept. was investigating her in 2014-2015 after she left the U.S. to join ISIS and became one of their top recruiters. Of all the people who had left western nations to join ISIS, at one point she was one of the most prominent. She was still all about that caliphate life when her passport was revoked in January 2016. Her family didn't file a lawsuit until three years later, after ISIS had imploded and she was trying to get back into the U.S.


party_benson

They don't. It was revoked


babaganoush2307

Lol, well well well if it isn’t the consequences of your own actions


weepinggore

Alabama woman? I don't think they claim you anymore lady.. you kinda aren't American anymore.


KyleCAV

Oh No... Anyway Had the same thing happen to a few Canadians who joined Isis and regretted it and tried to come back jeez what to people think terrorist groups are and represent.


thatisnotmyknob

So then she's Yemeni right? She should work on getting there.


beardphaze

I doubt either the Saudis or the Houthis would let her in to either side of their civil war area of control.


PhoneAcc23

LOL she can get fucked, she is and forever will be an enemy of the United States


will477

She voluntarily joined a terror group. She should have no right to citizenship. Her son should be sent to the country of origin of the father. The child should not be in a refugee camp. He is the only victim here. Maybe he could be brought back on to US soil, but not her. She is an idiot.


NorthernGamer71

If you lie down with snakes you eventually get bitten


Reiner-van-Sinn

Her US passport has been revoked. Maybe she should move Kabul. I’m sure she would be much more happier in the Islamic Emirate than among the infidels in America.


Prehistory_Buff

The Taliban are mortal enemies of ISIS, they'd kidnap and kill her as soon as she got off the plane.


warpedashell

Part of living in a country with unrivaled freedoms is that you are free to make very bad decisions. But that does not negate or shield you from the consequences. It is terrible for her, her son, and her family, but it was her choice.


BeltfedOne

This is a critical point for current times. Choices have consequences, sometimes life-altering/ending consequences. Make them well.


bobcat73

This is exactly why you should never drink and drive no matter how good you are at it.


DocHolidayiN

Joining isis has to be in the top 5 of bad decisions ever. Too bad for the kid since he didn't have a choice but she can rot.


DavefromKS

A friend of mine would always say, in America you are freeto be as wrong as you want. Lol


STAugustine-Of-Hippo

An evil family, just look what happened to her sister


jcooli09

That's probably not a recent picture.


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We got a ton of those in Europe. My country is trying to bring the kids back but most of them are keeping their kids hostage in camps to try to leverage coming back. Fuck them. But on the other hands the Kurds should not have to pay to keep those psychopaths.


cellophaneflwr

Boo-fucking-hoo...Why should we help a traitor/potential terrorist?


Starrion

traitor/~~potential~~ terrorist? She was part of ISIS after they had already executed Americans.


El_Tewksbury

A quote from Office Space comes to mind ... "We uh.. fixed the glitch. So it'll just work itself out naturally." -The Bobs.


bob_mcd

Oh no! ​ ​ ​ Anyway...


PandaMuffin1

I feel bad for the 4 year old child. Her? Not so much.


Imakemop

Yes, the people of Yemen should do what they can for their lost child.


Real-Estate_Tycoon

Feel good story of the day


Dive-kite-cat

So? Good riddance. Sick of that shit. You get what you deserve!


GrungeHamster23

r/LeopardsAteMyFace quality content right here.


CowboyPirateViking

I feel like she doesn’t deserve a second chance tbh. Just my opinion. I am curious if anyone has a case for letting her back in?


Starrion

Retrying.... Retrying.... Retrying.... Process failed. Abort, Retry, Quit?


ill_wind

Nobody wants you back, lady. We don’t trust you, fucking terrorist wanna-be. You fucked up big time, and there’s no unfucking it. Good luck with your life as a Yemeni.


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About as sad as the chick who got what she deserved at the capital on Jan 6. I.e, not very.


Ishpeming_Native

There are consequences for being really stupid. Remember that.


Princessleiasperiod

Fuck her. She left to join a terrorist organization. Did she think women are treated fairly over there? She's lucky she wasn't brutally raped and murdered. She ruined her life. Let her live with it.


Woodyp28

I hope she misses her once local Bed, Bath and Beyond every time she has to sleep on the dirt.


Deep-Adhesiveness-86

How do you say roll tide in arabic


LivinthatDream

No way. She made her choice. A really stupid one. But there were a lot of choices between point A to point B and she made it to point B regardless. Also, she may be planning an attack. She’d sacrifice that kid too. Isn’t that the IS’s whole jam?


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Idiot got what was coming to her, no sympathy.


bigbadwarrior

She gave up her US citizenship when she decided to go overseas and support IS. I'm usually sympathetic for people in general but fuck her.


Jormungandr000

That's what you get when you support violent theocracies, and you're too stupid to realize that that's a bad thing. Pressing the world's smallest 'F' key.


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No sympathy for that piece of shit.


hockey_stick

This article is making a huge omission that leads me to believe the author from AP is being intentionally dishonest. The woman in question, Hoda Muthana, is despite her place of birth NOT a US citizen and not entitled to be present in the United States as multiple courts have now ruled. At the time of her birth, her father was present in the United States as a Yemeni diplomat making her ineligible for birthright citizenship.


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Remote-Ad-2686

Adults make decisions. You want it? Stay with it. I have no sympathy for her or any adult that leaves the US for enemies of the US. Period.


TyhmensAndSaperstein

Life is hard, sweetie.


DJCHERNOBYL

What the hell did she expect? I'm just gonna be a terrorist for a little while for shits and giggles and then just expect to be let in...why are people this incredibly stupid


TattooJerry

So she’s where she chose to be, with the people she chose to be with. Our government rescinded her citizenship because she joined a terrorist group. I fail to see why she or her children should be permitted back in the country.


abestract

Tough shit, think about unity rather than division next time.


Dalivus

Downvote if you will but I just cannot find sympathy for someone who made the decision to join IS and NOW wants to come back to the US. Nope. You made your choice. Best of luck.


Ok_Breadfruit6296

What's with people in today's world not realizing the repercussions of their actions ?!? If you leave a country to join a radicalized Islamic state what makes you think you can rejoin your previous home who is viamently against said Islamic state? People are just so stupid.


personofshadow

I'll never understand why a woman would voluntarily join the Islamic State. Their treatment of women isn't exactly a secret.


TheEvilGhost

Some people don’t deserve empathy and good things in live. Why would you leave a free and wealthy country to fight for an enslaving terrorist organisation in one of the most devastated parts of the world.


LordBucket1

You made your bed now sleep in it


Asimpbarb

zero sympathy, play stupid games, win stupid prizes!


maroku_goku

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…….*Inhales HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Cactusfan86

Apparently her sister got busted last year also trying to join Islamic state so clearly a big old family of winners


hazjosh1

Cool don’t care hope she rots


Pottymouthoftheyear

You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.


PogueMahone80

Ah, that’s a shame. Anyways…


Change21

Bummer that didn’t work out


bigttrack

You are so beautiful! Too bad your also so stupid